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Australia's relationship with China can survive – but it won't be the same again
There can be no return to the relations of the past. The question for 2021 is how to find a new settling point
Natasha Kassam, Sun 27 Dec 2020
Australians have had a rude awakening this year. Convinced for a decade that the Asian century was theirs for the taking, the downward spiral of Australia’s relationship with China has come as a shock to many.
The highlights, or more like lowlights, of 2020 are innumerable. Australian citizens Yang Hengjun and Cheng Lei have been imprisoned in China, with little to no information about their charges. Australian journalists were spirited out of the country in dramatic scenes. Exports from meat to barley, wine to coal, are just some of the Australian industries reeling from a barrage of Chinese restrictions.
It would be easy to dismiss the China story at this point as some version of Groundhog Day. Every news cycle brings a new and not entirely unexpected blow. But this overlooks the real human consequences of this dispute.
Does Australia really have to be so strident when it comes to China?
The likelihood of the detained Yang and Cheng coming home seems more remote by the day. Farmers caught up in the bilateral crossfire seek answers – and new markets. Foreign workers have been stranded at sea for months, denied entry by Chinese authorities because their ships carry Australian coal.
Becoming desensitised to these human costs also risks forgetting the plight of many people inside China. Recent reports revealed even more chilling detail on the forced labour practices in Xinjiang, where a million Uyghurs have been interned.
It's worth remembering that this month also brought a rare win in the bilateral relationship – an Australian-Uyghur child was allowed to leave China and reunite with his father in Australia after three years of advocacy. Another reason to not look away.
Otherwise, China’s pressure on Australia has been relentless. And many in China support bringing the pain. Wolf warrior diplomacy, a term used to refer to aggressive Chinese diplomats, seems to have inspired Chinese netizens.
Chinese nationalists appeared to relish the fallout when Zhao Lijian tweeted a digitally-altered image depicting an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child. Chinese officials unsurprisingly dismissed prime minister Scott Morrison’s demand for an apology, though his response served to change the narrative from brutal wine tariffs that had been announced a day earlier.
Vitriol fills the comments section of any Australian embassy in Beijing post on Weibo, a Chinese social media platform similar to Twitter. It turns out the advice to never read the comments applies in any language.
A dysfunctional America helps China – but hurts Australia and our region
As much as Chinese netizens feel wronged, so too is Australian outrage towards China palpable. Morrison’s ire was well-received by many Australians; the majority supported his call for an apology. Six in 10 say that Australia is an innocent victim of China’s trade restrictions. The 2020 Lowy Institute poll showed trust in China at a historic low, and almost all Australians support diversification of trade away from China.
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Australia’s growth may ‘never return’ to its pre-virus path after trade trouble with China, says economist
Weizhen Tan, Dec 29 2020
Australia’s economy has been badly hit by escalating trade tensions with China — and it’s possible growth might “never return” to its pre-virus levels even when the pandemic is over, according to research firm Capital Economics.
China is by far Australia’s largest trading partner, accounting for 39.4% of goods exports and 17.6% of services exports between 2019 and 2020, the firm said. But Beijing has for months been targeting a growing list of imported products from Down Under — putting tariffs on wine and barley, and suspending beef imports. Gross domestic product (GDP) in Australia could contract even more if Beijing continues to pile tariffs on more Australian imports, said its senior economist Marcel Thieliant in a note last week.
Goods and services that are already “in the firing line” are worth almost a quarter of Australia’s exports to China — forming 1.8% of its economic output, the research firm said. But it may not end there. “That figure could rise to around 2.8% of GDP if China targeted other products for which it isn’t hugely dependent on Australian imports,” Thieliant said.
Relations between Canberra and Beijing soured this year after Australia supported a growing call for an international inquiry into China’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic. More restrictions by Beijing could come, including exports of gold, alumina – a type of material for industrial usage – and a “vast range of smaller items,” the report said. “While Australia should be able to divert some shipments to other countries, the escalating trade war is another reason why Australia’s economy will never return to its pre-virus path even once the pandemic has been brought under control,” Thieliant said.
Overall, the country’s gross domestic product could fall short of its pre-virus trajectory by about 1.5 percentage points at the end of 2022 – and additional trade restrictions by China could widen that shortfall further, said Capital Economics.
The pain could be lessened, however, as “it’s possible that Australia will find other destinations for its exports,” said the economist.
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Gautam
Australia's relationship with China can survive – but it won't be the same again
There can be no return to the relations of the past. The question for 2021 is how to find a new settling point
Natasha Kassam, Sun 27 Dec 2020
Australians have had a rude awakening this year. Convinced for a decade that the Asian century was theirs for the taking, the downward spiral of Australia’s relationship with China has come as a shock to many.
The highlights, or more like lowlights, of 2020 are innumerable. Australian citizens Yang Hengjun and Cheng Lei have been imprisoned in China, with little to no information about their charges. Australian journalists were spirited out of the country in dramatic scenes. Exports from meat to barley, wine to coal, are just some of the Australian industries reeling from a barrage of Chinese restrictions.
It would be easy to dismiss the China story at this point as some version of Groundhog Day. Every news cycle brings a new and not entirely unexpected blow. But this overlooks the real human consequences of this dispute.
Does Australia really have to be so strident when it comes to China?
The likelihood of the detained Yang and Cheng coming home seems more remote by the day. Farmers caught up in the bilateral crossfire seek answers – and new markets. Foreign workers have been stranded at sea for months, denied entry by Chinese authorities because their ships carry Australian coal.
Becoming desensitised to these human costs also risks forgetting the plight of many people inside China. Recent reports revealed even more chilling detail on the forced labour practices in Xinjiang, where a million Uyghurs have been interned.
It's worth remembering that this month also brought a rare win in the bilateral relationship – an Australian-Uyghur child was allowed to leave China and reunite with his father in Australia after three years of advocacy. Another reason to not look away.
Otherwise, China’s pressure on Australia has been relentless. And many in China support bringing the pain. Wolf warrior diplomacy, a term used to refer to aggressive Chinese diplomats, seems to have inspired Chinese netizens.
Chinese nationalists appeared to relish the fallout when Zhao Lijian tweeted a digitally-altered image depicting an Australian soldier murdering an Afghan child. Chinese officials unsurprisingly dismissed prime minister Scott Morrison’s demand for an apology, though his response served to change the narrative from brutal wine tariffs that had been announced a day earlier.
Vitriol fills the comments section of any Australian embassy in Beijing post on Weibo, a Chinese social media platform similar to Twitter. It turns out the advice to never read the comments applies in any language.
A dysfunctional America helps China – but hurts Australia and our region
As much as Chinese netizens feel wronged, so too is Australian outrage towards China palpable. Morrison’s ire was well-received by many Australians; the majority supported his call for an apology. Six in 10 say that Australia is an innocent victim of China’s trade restrictions. The 2020 Lowy Institute poll showed trust in China at a historic low, and almost all Australians support diversification of trade away from China.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/29/trade-w ... demic.html
Australia’s growth may ‘never return’ to its pre-virus path after trade trouble with China, says economist
Weizhen Tan, Dec 29 2020
Australia’s economy has been badly hit by escalating trade tensions with China — and it’s possible growth might “never return” to its pre-virus levels even when the pandemic is over, according to research firm Capital Economics.
China is by far Australia’s largest trading partner, accounting for 39.4% of goods exports and 17.6% of services exports between 2019 and 2020, the firm said. But Beijing has for months been targeting a growing list of imported products from Down Under — putting tariffs on wine and barley, and suspending beef imports. Gross domestic product (GDP) in Australia could contract even more if Beijing continues to pile tariffs on more Australian imports, said its senior economist Marcel Thieliant in a note last week.
Goods and services that are already “in the firing line” are worth almost a quarter of Australia’s exports to China — forming 1.8% of its economic output, the research firm said. But it may not end there. “That figure could rise to around 2.8% of GDP if China targeted other products for which it isn’t hugely dependent on Australian imports,” Thieliant said.
Relations between Canberra and Beijing soured this year after Australia supported a growing call for an international inquiry into China’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic. More restrictions by Beijing could come, including exports of gold, alumina – a type of material for industrial usage – and a “vast range of smaller items,” the report said. “While Australia should be able to divert some shipments to other countries, the escalating trade war is another reason why Australia’s economy will never return to its pre-virus path even once the pandemic has been brought under control,” Thieliant said.
Overall, the country’s gross domestic product could fall short of its pre-virus trajectory by about 1.5 percentage points at the end of 2022 – and additional trade restrictions by China could widen that shortfall further, said Capital Economics.
The pain could be lessened, however, as “it’s possible that Australia will find other destinations for its exports,” said the economist.
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Gautam
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Australia will be using Astra Zeneca vaccine but are manufacturing it themselves. does anyone know why they haven't reached out to India to use serum Institute vaccine? i know their own effort did not go well.
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I don't understand the question. If they are manufacturing it themselves, why would they import it from the SII. As a bonus they can export it as well. You do realize that the SII doesn't have an inhouse developed vaccine and has also licensed Astra Zeneca's vaccine, right?Atmavik wrote:Australia will be using Astra Zeneca vaccine but are manufacturing it themselves. does anyone know why they haven't reached out to India to use serum Institute vaccine? i know their own effort did not go well.
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^^ maybe i wasn't clear. i know that SII is doing license manufacture of the vaccine. from the news I have heard they are running into production problems(maybe this is wrong info). in such a case they could have asked India to supply a batch for their medical workers.
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They are already manufacturing it and expect to ramp up to a million doses per week.Atmavik wrote:^^ maybe i wasn't clear. i know that SII is doing license manufacture of the vaccine. from the news I have heard they are running into production problems(maybe this is wrong info). in such a case they could have asked India to supply a batch for their medical workers.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/202 ... g/13140104
They will probably be exporting it soon, since their own population is quite small (relatively speaking).
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Because they can afford to do itdoes anyone know why they haven't reached out to India to use serum Institute vaccine?
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Australia has no local candidate! A bit of an embarrassment on its own. US has Moderna and J&J, UK has Oxford (and AZ), Europe has Pfizer (BioNTech). Australia HAD the UQ vaccine that got abandoned. They had another proposal from SA that never got funded. They need a face saver hence CSL has been roped in to make it. TBH, the OF/AZ vaccine manufacturing process is pretty straight forward to any competent vaccine manufacturer, no technological hurdles.
The marker size is too small for any of the companies themselves to show any interest in going through the TGA approval process.
The marker size is too small for any of the companies themselves to show any interest in going through the TGA approval process.
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Australia cancels state's Belt and Road deal with China
Australia on Wednesday announced it would revoke a state government's deal to join China's Belt and Road Initiative, saying it was inconsistent with the nation's foreign policy.
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I don't think that SI has any manufacturing capacity to spare.Atmavik wrote:^^ maybe i wasn't clear. i know that SII is doing license manufacture of the vaccine. from the news I have heard they are running into production problems(maybe this is wrong info). in such a case they could have asked India to supply a batch for their medical workers.
and why should we do it, especially for an overtly racist country like australia.
If anyone ordered from SI today, it would be many months before they saw any vaccine vials ready to ship
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^^ this is was posted a while back and boy have the tables turned. this morning i was thinking if we can use Aussie production capacity but its a non starter.
i just hope our people show some sense and stay indoors the next three months will bring in a lot of vaccination, no one is listening, i am unable to convince family members
i just hope our people show some sense and stay indoors the next three months will bring in a lot of vaccination, no one is listening, i am unable to convince family members
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Finally, they are aligning with national security goals.VinodTK wrote:Australia cancels state's Belt and Road deal with China
Australia on Wednesday announced it would revoke a state government's deal to join China's Belt and Road Initiative, saying it was inconsistent with the nation's foreign policy.
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It is a CBM to India.
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Our dear Quad friend, the Aussies, have imposed a ban on its own citizens travelling from India, threatening fines and jail
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/p ... a/13327490
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/p ... a/13327490
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This is about protecting people, i would say India should have imposed a lockdown and a ban to that effect for people flying in long back (remember how the uk variant got in ?!).. QUAD is a different kettle of fish. I dare say the post is an emotional outburst rather than an analysis of whats going onsrin wrote:Our dear Quad friend, the Aussies, have imposed a ban on its own citizens travelling from India, threatening fines and jail
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/p ... a/13327490
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https://news.yahoo.com/australia-warns- ... 52896.html
Australia warns its citizens of jail and $50,000 fine if they return from India
Adam Taylor and Michael E. Miller, May 3, 2021
Even in the pandemic era of closed borders, Australia's latest travel restriction stands out: Anyone, including Australians citizens, who arrives in the country after visiting India in the previous 14 days can face up to five years in jail, a $50,000 fine or both.
On Monday, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison defended the move. Morrison pushed back against critics who said the new restrictions were racist because of their large impact on Australian citizens of Indian heritage.
"This is about health," Morrison said during a Monday radio interview, adding that he was "deeply, deeply concerned about the humanitarian crisis in India." Australia had seen a sevenfold increase in the percentage of people traveling from India who tested positive for the coronavirus, the prime minister told Sydney's 2GB radio station.
"It's a high-risk situation in India," Health Minister Greg Hunt told a separate televised news briefing in Melbourne on Monday, adding that the decision had been "agonizing" for the Australian government. The decision to threaten even Australian citizens with jail time if they return home from India during its record-breaking coronavirus surge is a significant escalation of border restrictions for Australia, an island nation that had already mandated strict controls at its borders throughout the pandemic. Australia's new rules come as a variety of other nations imposed travel restrictions on India, where covid-19 cases are surging because of virus variants, lax restrictions and slow rates of vaccination. New U.S. restrictions on travelers from India go into force Tuesday, but citizens, permanent U.S. residents and some others are exempt.
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Australia warns its citizens of jail and $50,000 fine if they return from India
Adam Taylor and Michael E. Miller, May 3, 2021
Even in the pandemic era of closed borders, Australia's latest travel restriction stands out: Anyone, including Australians citizens, who arrives in the country after visiting India in the previous 14 days can face up to five years in jail, a $50,000 fine or both.
On Monday, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison defended the move. Morrison pushed back against critics who said the new restrictions were racist because of their large impact on Australian citizens of Indian heritage.
"This is about health," Morrison said during a Monday radio interview, adding that he was "deeply, deeply concerned about the humanitarian crisis in India." Australia had seen a sevenfold increase in the percentage of people traveling from India who tested positive for the coronavirus, the prime minister told Sydney's 2GB radio station.
"It's a high-risk situation in India," Health Minister Greg Hunt told a separate televised news briefing in Melbourne on Monday, adding that the decision had been "agonizing" for the Australian government. The decision to threaten even Australian citizens with jail time if they return home from India during its record-breaking coronavirus surge is a significant escalation of border restrictions for Australia, an island nation that had already mandated strict controls at its borders throughout the pandemic. Australia's new rules come as a variety of other nations imposed travel restrictions on India, where covid-19 cases are surging because of virus variants, lax restrictions and slow rates of vaccination. New U.S. restrictions on travelers from India go into force Tuesday, but citizens, permanent U.S. residents and some others are exempt.
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Did they impose such a travel ban on US (jail term !) when US was having 2L+ cases a day ? Or when they got people from everywhere to Australian Open ?kit wrote:This is about protecting people, i would say India should have imposed a lockdown and a ban to that effect for people flying in long back (remember how the uk variant got in ?!).. QUAD is a different kettle of fish. I dare say the post is an emotional outburst rather than an analysis of whats going onsrin wrote:Our dear Quad friend, the Aussies, have imposed a ban on its own citizens travelling from India, threatening fines and jail
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/p ... a/13327490
It is one thing to have mandatory quarantine, another thing to suspend flights etc. But jail terms ? Have they done it for any other country ?
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Australia borders could be shut until late 2022 - minister
News24, 07 May 2021
Australia is likely to remain shut to visitors until late 2022, the country's trade and tourism minister said on Friday, as another global coronavirus surge smashed hopes of a quick reopening.
Minister Dan Tehan said a wave of cases on the Indian sub-continent showed Australia's near blanket ban on arrivals was still essential to keep the country Covid-free.
Since 20 March 2020, Australians have been barred from travelling overseas and a hard-to-get individual exemption is needed for foreign visitors to enter the country.
It is "very hard to determine" when borders could reopen, Tehan told Sky News, "the best guess would be in the middle to the second half of next year".
Before the pandemic, around one million short-term visitors entered the country each month. That figure is now around 7 000.
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NSW, Victoria and Queensland will take India flights as children left stranded
Rachel Clun, May 7, 2021
NSW, Victoria and Queensland will take at least one planeload each of returning citizens as soon as flights restart from India, where 173 Australian children are stuck without their parents.
South Australia and Western Australia are also actively considering taking repatriation flights as Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the government aimed to have 1000 citizens and permanent residents home by the end of June. The flight ban will end on May 15.
Direct flights into Sydney and chartered repatriation flights to Darwin were halted late last month through an order under the Biosecurity Act, when the number of cases in quarantine rose dramatically with the majority detected in people arriving from India.
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Australia borders could be shut until late 2022 - minister
News24, 07 May 2021
Australia is likely to remain shut to visitors until late 2022, the country's trade and tourism minister said on Friday, as another global coronavirus surge smashed hopes of a quick reopening.
Minister Dan Tehan said a wave of cases on the Indian sub-continent showed Australia's near blanket ban on arrivals was still essential to keep the country Covid-free.
Since 20 March 2020, Australians have been barred from travelling overseas and a hard-to-get individual exemption is needed for foreign visitors to enter the country.
It is "very hard to determine" when borders could reopen, Tehan told Sky News, "the best guess would be in the middle to the second half of next year".
Before the pandemic, around one million short-term visitors entered the country each month. That figure is now around 7 000.
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 57pxp.html
NSW, Victoria and Queensland will take India flights as children left stranded
Rachel Clun, May 7, 2021
NSW, Victoria and Queensland will take at least one planeload each of returning citizens as soon as flights restart from India, where 173 Australian children are stuck without their parents.
South Australia and Western Australia are also actively considering taking repatriation flights as Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the government aimed to have 1000 citizens and permanent residents home by the end of June. The flight ban will end on May 15.
Direct flights into Sydney and chartered repatriation flights to Darwin were halted late last month through an order under the Biosecurity Act, when the number of cases in quarantine rose dramatically with the majority detected in people arriving from India.
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https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... rade-talks
Australia and India: A time to refocus on trade talks
Anil Wadhwa, 9 Aug 2021
Tony Abbott’s visit to India shows conditions are ripe to advance a Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement.
Australia’s former Prime Minister Tony Abbott has just completed a packed visit to India from 2–6 August as Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s special trade envoy.
Abbott should have reason to be encouraged by his interactions and his meetings with a cross section of decision-makers in India, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and Commerce and Industry and Textiles Minister Piyush Goyal. In a drastically changed geopolitical scenario, developments in the Indo-Pacific, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (the Quad) and the Resilient Supply Chains initiative announced by the trade ministers of Australia, India and Japan in the face of an aggressive and ascendant China have brought Australia and India closer together as Comprehensive Strategic Partners. Enhanced economic cooperation will bind them further together.
The India Economic Strategy to 2035, launched by Australia in November 2018 and a reciprocal Australia Economic Strategy Report released in 2020 have both laid down the roadmap for the future. There is today a strong sense in India that Australia is one of the most suitable partners to help India transform itself into a model for strong and inclusive economic growth – which requires innovation and high technology, research and development, qualitatively competitive manufacturing, essential commodities and minerals for its ambitious e-mobility and alternate energy program, and minimisation of logistics costs.
Despite facing the traditional hurdles typical of a large and raucous democracy, the current government in India is well aware of the value of speedy, systematic and broad-spectrum reforms that could help India navigate its place in the global economic space. Reforms have been attempted in the mining, health care and pharmaceuticals, IT, infrastructure, defence, space, agriculture, medium and small enterprises, financial and banking sectors. India has launched production-linked incentive schemes in 13 sectors, which aim to achieve a minimum production worth more than $500 billion in five years. In a landmark legislation last week, India abolished retrospective taxation, bringing about predictability and stability in the investment environment.
India is now focused on labour and land reforms, and boosting healthcare. It is trying to modernise its food processing and grains storage technologies, as well as dairy sector and trying to provide clean drinking water, electricity and digital connectivity to its villages.
In many of these areas, Australian companies are potential partners. Australia has a greater opportunity to cash in once the new mining legislation comes into force – it has reserves of 21 of the 49 minerals identified as critical for India’s future strategy, its mining companies have been involved with India over the years, and it is a source of much needed mining equipment and technologies as well as safety.
India and Australia are collaborative partners in the bilateral as well as the Quad format in vaccines, cybersecurity, IT and financial fields. In agriculture, Australian companies are well placed to provide the right mix for grains management, rationalisation of costs and logistics. Australian superannuation funds have higher investment return opportunities in the India airports, ports, inland waterways, and toll roads sector.
India needs skilling for 400 million young people by 2024, and Australian companies are already providing innovative e-learning solutions, enhancing training curricula, aligning Indian accreditation and assessment to global standards, and improving trainer quality. The defence and space research organisations and private companies of India and Australia now have more possibilities to work together.
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Gautam
Australia and India: A time to refocus on trade talks
Anil Wadhwa, 9 Aug 2021
Tony Abbott’s visit to India shows conditions are ripe to advance a Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement.
Australia’s former Prime Minister Tony Abbott has just completed a packed visit to India from 2–6 August as Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s special trade envoy.
Abbott should have reason to be encouraged by his interactions and his meetings with a cross section of decision-makers in India, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and Commerce and Industry and Textiles Minister Piyush Goyal. In a drastically changed geopolitical scenario, developments in the Indo-Pacific, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (the Quad) and the Resilient Supply Chains initiative announced by the trade ministers of Australia, India and Japan in the face of an aggressive and ascendant China have brought Australia and India closer together as Comprehensive Strategic Partners. Enhanced economic cooperation will bind them further together.
The India Economic Strategy to 2035, launched by Australia in November 2018 and a reciprocal Australia Economic Strategy Report released in 2020 have both laid down the roadmap for the future. There is today a strong sense in India that Australia is one of the most suitable partners to help India transform itself into a model for strong and inclusive economic growth – which requires innovation and high technology, research and development, qualitatively competitive manufacturing, essential commodities and minerals for its ambitious e-mobility and alternate energy program, and minimisation of logistics costs.
Despite facing the traditional hurdles typical of a large and raucous democracy, the current government in India is well aware of the value of speedy, systematic and broad-spectrum reforms that could help India navigate its place in the global economic space. Reforms have been attempted in the mining, health care and pharmaceuticals, IT, infrastructure, defence, space, agriculture, medium and small enterprises, financial and banking sectors. India has launched production-linked incentive schemes in 13 sectors, which aim to achieve a minimum production worth more than $500 billion in five years. In a landmark legislation last week, India abolished retrospective taxation, bringing about predictability and stability in the investment environment.
India is now focused on labour and land reforms, and boosting healthcare. It is trying to modernise its food processing and grains storage technologies, as well as dairy sector and trying to provide clean drinking water, electricity and digital connectivity to its villages.
In many of these areas, Australian companies are potential partners. Australia has a greater opportunity to cash in once the new mining legislation comes into force – it has reserves of 21 of the 49 minerals identified as critical for India’s future strategy, its mining companies have been involved with India over the years, and it is a source of much needed mining equipment and technologies as well as safety.
India and Australia are collaborative partners in the bilateral as well as the Quad format in vaccines, cybersecurity, IT and financial fields. In agriculture, Australian companies are well placed to provide the right mix for grains management, rationalisation of costs and logistics. Australian superannuation funds have higher investment return opportunities in the India airports, ports, inland waterways, and toll roads sector.
India needs skilling for 400 million young people by 2024, and Australian companies are already providing innovative e-learning solutions, enhancing training curricula, aligning Indian accreditation and assessment to global standards, and improving trainer quality. The defence and space research organisations and private companies of India and Australia now have more possibilities to work together.
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these convict descended aussies have tried to position themselves as part of the great white anglo sphere community with very overt racist ideas of being european. They may have run into IP issues with oxford disallowing the import from SII's made in India vax.Atmavik wrote:^^ maybe i wasn't clear. i know that SII is doing license manufacture of the vaccine. from the news I have heard they are running into production problems(maybe this is wrong info). in such a case they could have asked India to supply a batch for their medical workers.
Until recently, some countries did not recognize the SII produced covisheild vax for use in their populations and some others did not recognise SII's covishield endorsed GoI issued vax certificate from India as one of the accepted vaccinated population considered safe enough to be allowed entry into their country until Jaishankar went hyper and threatened to block entry of EU vax certified goras into India unless they extended unconditional reciprocity on vax certificates issued by the Govt of India.
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g.sarkar jig.sarkar wrote:https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... rade-talks
we have to be very wary of these guys.
forked tongue, as well as, a two faced body politic coupled with their practiced snake oil salesmanship are tools of their trade.
They have never been able to stomach the rise of India and now the understanding and bitter reality has dawned on them they will never ever be in the same league.
their duplicitous approach to the QUAD vis-a vis India is just one case in point.
A lot of their politicos and babooze are not only cheeni led but cheeni bred as well.
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Well said, Chetak ji
These guys understand brute strength
Need to keep them on a leash, like how the BCCI and our huge cricket market has done to CA and their players.
These guys understand brute strength
Need to keep them on a leash, like how the BCCI and our huge cricket market has done to CA and their players.
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Manish_P jiManish_P wrote:Well said, Chetak ji
These guys understand brute strength
Need to keep them on a leash, like how the BCCI and our huge cricket market has done to CA and their players.
They are officially among the mongrel nations, once "proud" parts of the britshit empire like canada and england. Their national gene pools are heavily contaminated by cancerous migrants who enter so that the whites are forced to support them and not vice versa as imagined by the whites.
An awakened and powerful India under Modi is not an India that they envisioned even in their darkest nightmares, used as they were to doing business with pussies like the slimy sardar and their BIF eyetalian mafia collaborators.
There is a lot of racist historical baggage that they are carrying with regards to India and a cultural sense of the superior that has been reinforced over the centuries. Modi's India petrifies them because they see themselves being left in the dust by a large India market that has not much need of them in terms of their exports and other resources.
their unwise or perhaps unavoidable immigration policies have completely mongrelized these three countries (france and others in the EU as well, but that is part of another narrative) and left them at the tender mercies of migrating islamic hordes, and that additionally includes militant sikhs in the case of canada.
we need to dominate and also culturally distance from these three to safeguard ourselves. Trade with them, by all means, but cautiously, and always keeping India's interests above all others.
the aussies, like many others, watch incredulously as our foreign exchange reserves continue to climb, even during these very difficult pandemic times, our vax program progressing at the speed it is and the fact that we are so aggressively taking on xi who is camped on our borders intent on causing mayhem and all this, despite the best efforts of the BIF, is extremely unpalatable to their colonially inherited but now dilapidated imperial psyche.
The aussies, britshits and the EU jokers are already part of the "slave" subset of the cheeni dominated ecosphere.
They have yet to fathom how a third world allegedly regressive and parochial Hindu govt has done what all of them did not/were not able to do with xi and his cheeni thugs. This translates to a whole new level of butthurt for them.
The domination of the BCCI is also a very sore point with all of them as is the IPL and both majorly depend on the size of the TV audiences, a segment in which all these guys have no hold or influence in comparison to India. The strength of the BCCI/IPL management is Indian b@!!$ and the source of the BCCI's/IPL's massive income is very largely Indian eyeb@!!$.
Cricket, after all, is the very essence of the empire and it was initially and for the longest time, an exclusive club for two, the britshits and the aussies with their romantic saga of the ashes, languid memories of a luxuriant era gone by. India was never destined to enter these hallowed portals, much less do what it doing now.
BCCI has worked very well in dominating the world of cricket that was, hitherto, dominated by the britshit and aussie boards. Indian public support and financial power made BCCI powerful and this model must be studied carefully.
Many lessons for the taking for Indian foreign policy, especially one that says timidity gets you nothing, and also, that it takes you nowhere.
Our own foolish appeasement driven visa policies have opened the floodgates to the marauding khalistani terrorist sikhs, pakis and also the beedi terrorists who have a free pass to enter India and cause mayhem at will.
Access to media in India is their greatest strength and they have weaponized it against us.
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Sirji,chetak wrote:g.sarkar jig.sarkar wrote:https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... rade-talks
we have to be very wary of these guys.
forked tongue, as well as, a two faced body politic coupled with their practiced snake oil salesmanship are tools of their trade.
They have never been able to stomach the rise of India and now the understanding and bitter reality has dawned on them they will never ever be in the same league.
their duplicitous approach to the QUAD vis-a vis India is just one case in point.
A lot of their politicos and babooze are not only cheeni led but cheeni bred as well.
You are preaching to the choir.
Gautam
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You are giving them more credit than it is worth.chetak wrote:...
They are officially among the mongrel nations, once "proud" parts of the britshit empire like canada and england. Their national gene pools are heavily contaminated by cancerous migrants who enter so that the whites are forced to support them and not vice versa as imagined by the whites.
1. It is a country of roughly 25 million. The fact that they have a huge landmass is what gives them some kind of power. Consider that their population is roughly the population of Delhi. In the big league of India, China, US, Japan, Indonesia - their extended neighbourhood - they are a lightweight.
2. They are extremely resource rich, which is what gives them stuff of value to trade especially with a resource hungry China (ores, milk/milk products, beef...).
3. They are extremely resource rich, which (together with a nice climate) is what affords their laid back population a huge amount of leisure time in comparison with other gora dominated nations. This translates to high performance in sports way out of line with their population numbers.
4. They have a huge landmass and low population, which means they need immigrants to tend to agriculture and do jobs their native born won't or can't do. Since they need immigrants, they have relatively open immigration policies and are a big draw for emigrant countries like China and India.
5. Legacy gora systems of education, medicine and law are attractive in drawing money and talent from the neighbourhood to serve the opportunities of plenty.
Otherwise they are a small nation sitting on large territory, paranoid of becoming irrelevant to the world and of diluting their enviable quality of life.
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Putting it here, I do not think we have a NZ page.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-03/
Police in New Zealand kill "extremist" who stabbed six in supermarket
By Praveen Menon, September 3, 2021
WELLINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - New Zealand police on Friday shot and killed a knife-wielding "extremist" who was known to authorities, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said, after he stabbed and wounded at least six people in a supermarket.
The attacker, a Sri Lankan national who had been in New Zealand for 10 years, was inspired by the Islamic State militant group and was being monitored constantly, Ardern said.
"A violent extremist undertook a terrorist attack on innocent New Zealanders," Ardern told a briefing.
"He obviously was a supporter of ISIS ideology," she said, referring to Islamic State.
The attacker, who was not identified, had been a "person of interest" for about five years, Ardern said, adding that he had been killed within 60 seconds of beginning his attack in the city of Auckland.
Police following the man thought he had gone into the New Lynn supermarket to do some shopping but picked up a knife from a display and started "running around like a lunatic" stabbing people, shopper Michelle Miller told the Stuff online news outlet.
A witness told the New Zealand Herald the attacker had shouted "Allahu akbar" (God is greatest).
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Gautam
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-03/
Police in New Zealand kill "extremist" who stabbed six in supermarket
By Praveen Menon, September 3, 2021
WELLINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - New Zealand police on Friday shot and killed a knife-wielding "extremist" who was known to authorities, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said, after he stabbed and wounded at least six people in a supermarket.
The attacker, a Sri Lankan national who had been in New Zealand for 10 years, was inspired by the Islamic State militant group and was being monitored constantly, Ardern said.
"A violent extremist undertook a terrorist attack on innocent New Zealanders," Ardern told a briefing.
"He obviously was a supporter of ISIS ideology," she said, referring to Islamic State.
The attacker, who was not identified, had been a "person of interest" for about five years, Ardern said, adding that he had been killed within 60 seconds of beginning his attack in the city of Auckland.
Police following the man thought he had gone into the New Lynn supermarket to do some shopping but picked up a knife from a display and started "running around like a lunatic" stabbing people, shopper Michelle Miller told the Stuff online news outlet.
A witness told the New Zealand Herald the attacker had shouted "Allahu akbar" (God is greatest).
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Gautam
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PM of New Zealand is BSing big time to cover her image at the cost of innocents.
Put 60 seconds on a stopwatch and see how long a gap it is!! It is enough to neutralize an automatic weapon wielding team, let alone a lone jihadi with a knife.
Which raises a lot of curious points:
1) in the sixty seconds, he stabbed not one, but SIX innocents in a closed setting (shop). He had no option to run and escape the tag team trailing him.
2) If he was being closely watched and tailed by an armed response unit, then that means they could have easily taken him out with the first stabbing. What made them wait till the sixth stab, as innocents were lying in pools of blood?
3) forget shoot-to-kill, since this is claimed to be “not USA” country, why is it that this guy was not verbally challenged by the response units, with guns drawn, after the first stab?
4) “Why did they not try to take him alive? why 10 shots? Why are the NZ cops so trigger happy?” Are questions that usually gets asked off other countries.
Conclusions:
1) The police had explicit instructions to not use any force because the perp was known to be a muslim immigrant and will hurt PM Jacinta Arden’s image, which seem to be paramount and not any new zealander’s life.
2) No one, not even the opposition is asking the PM to resign, despite obvious culpability in not allowing the cops to take off a rabid jihadi off the streets. New Zealand seems to be a flawed democracy where a populist PM is using deft PR to deflect attention from failure of policing and her own policy of condoning Islamist radicalism.
Put 60 seconds on a stopwatch and see how long a gap it is!! It is enough to neutralize an automatic weapon wielding team, let alone a lone jihadi with a knife.
Which raises a lot of curious points:
1) in the sixty seconds, he stabbed not one, but SIX innocents in a closed setting (shop). He had no option to run and escape the tag team trailing him.
2) If he was being closely watched and tailed by an armed response unit, then that means they could have easily taken him out with the first stabbing. What made them wait till the sixth stab, as innocents were lying in pools of blood?
3) forget shoot-to-kill, since this is claimed to be “not USA” country, why is it that this guy was not verbally challenged by the response units, with guns drawn, after the first stab?
4) “Why did they not try to take him alive? why 10 shots? Why are the NZ cops so trigger happy?” Are questions that usually gets asked off other countries.
Conclusions:
1) The police had explicit instructions to not use any force because the perp was known to be a muslim immigrant and will hurt PM Jacinta Arden’s image, which seem to be paramount and not any new zealander’s life.
2) No one, not even the opposition is asking the PM to resign, despite obvious culpability in not allowing the cops to take off a rabid jihadi off the streets. New Zealand seems to be a flawed democracy where a populist PM is using deft PR to deflect attention from failure of policing and her own policy of condoning Islamist radicalism.
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I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
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The British media are saying that Arden "knew this Sri Lankan personally".Vayutuvan wrote:I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
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Why call him a Sri Lankan?
Is that how he sees his primary identity?
Is that how he sees his primary identity?
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He is a Tamil Muslim from Sri Lanka, Ahamed Aathil Mohamed Samsudeen, came to NZ ten years back on a student visa, applied for refugee status which was granted in 2013. Serves the NZ right for not vetting him properly.
LinkNew Zealand has tried for years to deport the knife-wielding militant who wounded seven people at a mall in Auckland last week, the government said after it released more details on the attacker following the lifting of a court suppression order.
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More importantly, the choice of words by MSM (mostly western) in describing the person as “Tamil Muslim from Sri Lanka”. Westerners who read these words understand “Muslim”, may be “Sri Lanka” but not “Tamil” (at least not many are familiar), which leads to Google search and all top links lead to India. N-th degree of classification. If this person was Sinhalese speaking, would the reader change his/her opinion of the person or the incident?sanjaykumar wrote:Why call him a Sri Lankan?
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You guys are the stalwarts of BFR ., but yes these thoughts need a wider audience !g.sarkar wrote:Sirji,chetak wrote: g.sarkar ji
we have to be very wary of these guys.
forked tongue, as well as, a two faced body politic coupled with their practiced snake oil salesmanship are tools of their trade.
They have never been able to stomach the rise of India and now the understanding and bitter reality has dawned on them they will never ever be in the same league.
their duplicitous approach to the QUAD vis-a vis India is just one case in point.
A lot of their politicos and babooze are not only cheeni led but cheeni bred as well.
You are preaching to the choir.
Gautam
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Quite possible., the lady herself is a down to earth person.Aldonkar wrote:The British media are saying that Arden "knew this Sri Lankan personally".Vayutuvan wrote:I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
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why is it that both the aussies and the kiwis are so very keen to lick the cheeni butt and grovel before them.Vayutuvan wrote:I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
both countries are so far away from cheen and even then, they abjectly kow tow to them
and yet both of them treat India with contempt
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We are just about starting to assert ourselves. We just need to continue to clearly and unashamedly focus on our self interest. The change in others will come.
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As i understand it, Aussies are worried about Indonesia. Since China and Indonesia are not on good terms, at least at the people to people level (Indonesians hate Chinese), Aussies licke Chinese.chetak wrote:why is it that both the aussies and the kiwis are so very keen to lick the cheeni butt and grovel before them.Vayutuvan wrote:I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
th countries are so far away from cheen and even then, they abjectly kow tow to them
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Vayutuvan wrote:I am not saying that Arden is snow white or anything like that but [/b]a supermarket is a big place with many ails with tall shelves[/b]. They effectively block the perp running around and hurting innocent folks. A clean shot is a little bit difficult, especially if the supermarket was crowded.
Vayutuvan ji
There seems to have been a "let's get rid of this problem once and for all" sort of an eventuality in the minds of the cops.
Can't really blame them, hogtied, as they were legally, and doing a difficult job shepherding this creep.
The authorities must have informally discussed this sort of an outcome, were such an to opportunity ever present itself.
But in India, we have potbellied marksmen, havildars who shoot criminals only in the leg, no matter which state of the union it may be (except UP, of course)
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I missed this point. Thanks Vayutuvan jiVayutuvan wrote:As i understand it, Aussies are worried about Indonesia. Since China and Indonesia are not on good terms, at least at the people to people level (Indonesians hate Chinese), Aussies licke Chinese.chetak wrote: why is it that both the aussies and the kiwis are so very keen to lick the cheeni butt and grovel before them.
th countries are so far away from cheen and even then, they abjectly kow tow to them
The indonesians and some others regularly try and sneak into australia illegally via the vast uninhabited stretches of coastline because they "feel" that the aussies do not have exclusive rights to own the vast land in australia.
legally, the indonesians are quite late to the party and moreover, they don't have a leg to stand on
The aussies spend good money patrolling their long coastlines to prevent just such infiltrations
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Big news!! Australia to go in for nuclear powered attack submarines (SSNs) based on technology from the US and the UK, probably go in for the Virginia class US SSNs. They will cancel their contract with France for conventional Scorpene submarines. An announcement expected within the next hour or two with Biden, UK PM Johnson and Australian PM Morrison. The chart below gives "time at station" for different locations in the South China Sea, the mouth of the Malacca Straits, the South China Sea and other locations off the coast of China with the Australian submarines based in Western Australia.
Australia to get nuclear-powered submarines, will scrap $90b program to build French-designed subs
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1438179433001758720
Australia to get nuclear-powered submarines, will scrap $90b program to build French-designed subs
https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1438179433001758720
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Some more on the Australia nuclear submarine foray!!
Australia is going to cancel it's existing contract with Naval Group (formerly known as DCNS), France which was going to build 12 conventionally powered submarines based on the French Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A nuclear attack submarine. By coincidence the French Navy is also building on a fixed price contract with Naval Group, six nuclear powered Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A submarines. The French Navy fixed price contract for the 6 nuclear submarines is $ 10.2 billion. The Australian contract has price escalation clauses and the final estimate for 12 conventional submarines had crept upto US $ 65 billion!! So the French were going to charge the Australians more than US $ 5 billion per conventional sub and the French Navy was getting a nuclear sub for $ 1.7 billion!! No wonder the Australians ran away. It's probably cheaper for them to get nuclear subs, could be based on the latest Columbia class SSN of the US Navy, to be built in Adelaide, Australia with collaboration from the US and UK
And news reports say the Australians first approached the US about this in March this year. And now within 6 months the study group has been set up which will determine within 18 months specific technologies, infrastructure, training etc. And Australian PM Morrison was going to call Macron to give him the bad news!!
Australia is going to cancel it's existing contract with Naval Group (formerly known as DCNS), France which was going to build 12 conventionally powered submarines based on the French Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A nuclear attack submarine. By coincidence the French Navy is also building on a fixed price contract with Naval Group, six nuclear powered Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A submarines. The French Navy fixed price contract for the 6 nuclear submarines is $ 10.2 billion. The Australian contract has price escalation clauses and the final estimate for 12 conventional submarines had crept upto US $ 65 billion!! So the French were going to charge the Australians more than US $ 5 billion per conventional sub and the French Navy was getting a nuclear sub for $ 1.7 billion!! No wonder the Australians ran away. It's probably cheaper for them to get nuclear subs, could be based on the latest Columbia class SSN of the US Navy, to be built in Adelaide, Australia with collaboration from the US and UK
And news reports say the Australians first approached the US about this in March this year. And now within 6 months the study group has been set up which will determine within 18 months specific technologies, infrastructure, training etc. And Australian PM Morrison was going to call Macron to give him the bad news!!
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Is there an opportunity for us to pick up the barracudas on the cheap, or are they too compromised/don't fit into our plans etc?