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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Aug 2018 15:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2uG-vCDpfI

bial planespotting. other than solitary 777 from BA and air mauritius, its the local small fry and gulfies having run of the place.

no respectable heavy on the scene

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 09 Aug 2018 15:50

Singha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2uG-vCDpfI

bial planespotting. other than solitary 777 from BA and air mauritius, its the local small fry and gulfies having run of the place.

no respectable heavy on the scene


Isn't Air Mauritius flight Airbus A340? The weekly once flight from bial to maa to port lois.
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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 09 Aug 2018 17:02

yes i was on that its a340.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby nachiket » 10 Aug 2018 02:03

Singha wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2uG-vCDpfI

bial planespotting. other than solitary 777 from BA and air mauritius, its the local small fry and gulfies having run of the place.

no respectable heavy on the scene

Lufthansa has a daily flight to BLR using a 747-8. I remember sitting at Frankfurt airport a few years ago waiting for the FRA-BOM flight. I could see 2 Lufthansa 747's outside parked at adjacent gates - one heading to BOM the other to BLR.

Of course you TFTA bangalorites got a shiny new 747-8 while we mumbaikars were saddled with a sad old 747-400. It is still the case today. The Uber TFTA dilli billis get an A380 now.

Lufthansa seems to be making hay along with the ME carriers. They have daily flights from FRA to DEL, BOM, MAA and BLR. Plus daily flights from MUC to BOM and DEL.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 08:14

note the small 737 sized plane of Etihad. i think gulfies now get access to some 10+ places in india with such small planes like lucknow, mangalore, trichy

i dont know if indian private carriers have been given the reciprocal slots that AI we know is in no position to use. they should be given

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 08:41



interview with the MD.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 08:51



interesting analysis. but imo despite the long range of the 787 and a350, the hub model will remain because just by graph theory one needs less planes to make it work than a dense point to point network. premium routes like singapore or sydney to london/frankfurt/paris/SFO/LAX/NYC would no doubt be p2p but not for a guy travelling economy from perth to cape town if p2p is 20% costlier he will fly through dubai

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 10 Aug 2018 09:38

Singapore-London is not quite point to point. That's one half of a very special route - the Kangaroo Route. This is very much hub and spoke, since Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane etc all feed into Singapore and thence to London. That's why one sees vast numbers of Aussies in Singapore airport. There are no nonstops between UK and Australia - that is simply too long, except for the recently announced Perth-London.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 16:30

AUS seems to have a very hard currency permitting them to punch above their weight in terms of international travelling. ASEAN is awash at all corners with aussies and a lot of them travel to europe particularly UK for edu,work,play.

i have seen quantas a380 in singapore. and quantas was the only airline to have a all-747 fleet given the vast distances needed just to cross australia

the entire pop of australia must be greater mumbai or ncr around 25 million.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 16:45

what is their economic model to sustain such a high std of living I am trying to understand. around half of their employment seems to be in govt or semi-govt run sectors ?
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mining+agri is only 5% workers contrary to popular perception.

is it that Govt is very rich through exports and taxes on food and minerals and hence able to support some 50% of workers on some govt or semi-govt jobs while rest are in pvt sector ?

it has some 10 mil people less than canada but the same per capita GDP, despite canada having the immense advantage of king gorilla next door and open economic integration.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby chola » 10 Aug 2018 17:12

^^^ Singapore’s king gorilla is Cheen. The place is 75% Chinese and serves as port city for the China trade into ASEAN. Nothing really mysterious about it. It’s role is the same as Hong Kong’s.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby chetak » 10 Aug 2018 17:22

Singha wrote:note the small 737 sized plane of Etihad. i think gulfies now get access to some 10+ places in india with such small planes like lucknow, mangalore, trichy

i dont know if indian private carriers have been given the reciprocal slots that AI we know is in no position to use. they should be given



They paid a pretty penny for this privilege as well as suppression of privilege.

Jet's current difficulties may be the result of the gelf ropers treating India as a personal fiefdom and not understanding the enormity of changes that have since taken place after the change of guard.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 10 Aug 2018 20:24

This is the CivAv thread. Let's not get sidetracked discussing Aussie and Singapore economic structures :)

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 10 Aug 2018 21:08

$$ is intimately tied to growth of civil aviation.

ibn

Jet Airways stock has tumbled 66 percent this year, making it the worst performing airline stock in Asia Pacific amid investor concerns over its outlook. India's benchmark Sensex index has gained 11 percent.

"We need to recover the money and value we have lost," Jet Airways Chairman Naresh Goyal said at the airline's annual general meeting Thursday. "I feel guilty, I feel embarrassed that we have not been able to perform, especially with shareholders who stood with us."

Jet Airways's rivals are faring no better either. The entire sector has been hit by rising fuel prices, depreciation of the rupee and debt to fund aircraft purchases and rapid growth. IndiGo, operated by InterGlobe Aviation Ltd., posted a 97 percent drop in net profit, its worst-ever quarterly performance. SpiceJet will be reporting earnings next week.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby nachiket » 10 Aug 2018 23:50

^^We might see some of the new aircraft orders curtailed or deliveries deferred if it goes on like this.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby manish » 11 Aug 2018 08:54

Most of Jet's issues are of their own making IMHO, and mainly a product of confused and inconsistent strategy.

When IndiGo first started growing rapidly around 2014 in the early days of our ongoing and historic domestic market boom, Jet walked away from it saying they wanted to focus on international routes. In a market growing in high double digits you need to add multiple flights to even stand still from a market share perspective, but they even withdrew some flights from domestic sectors, leaving a void which has now been filled by LCCs at the lower end and Vistara at the FSC side.

More recently after Vinay Dube came in, they suddenly seem to have realised the importance of being present in their home market which is already among the world's Top 5 civil aviation markets and have been trying (rather unsuccessfully) to make up the lost ground.

Just do a random search for flights on the leading metro pairs in the country and you will find hardly 2-4 flights a day on most by Jet (barring BOM-DEL) while say an IndiGo would dump 20-30 in some cases.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby manish » 11 Aug 2018 08:57

Also bear in mind the economic turmoil in the gelf which for long had been the bread and butter market foe Jet. That cash cow is not what it used to be.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Singha » 11 Aug 2018 20:55

tractors are towing planes to near the runway at kochi before engine start to prevent sucking in water

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Suraj » 11 Aug 2018 22:18

Guwahati Airport Reports Highest Growth Among Top Airports In India, Climbs Table To Eighth Busiest Airport
Guwahati’s Lokapriya Gopinath Bordoloi International Airport (LGBIA) has reported a growth of 31 per cent in passenger movement over the last one year according to data from the Airports Authority of India (AAI), reports The Sentinel. LGBIA’s growth was the highest among the twelve busiest airports in India, and has pushed it up the list of the country’s top airports to the eight position.

The sole international airport serving the Northeast, it handled 34.5 lakh passengers in 2016 and 45.3 lakh in 2017. LGBIA was followed by Kolkata’s Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport (NSCBIA) which showed 28 per cent growth, handling 18.8 lakh passengers in 2017. LGBIA handled 41,172 aircraft movements in the corresponding period last year.

LGBIA is currently undergoing expansion with construction on a new terminal underway which is set to open in 2021. Spread over 90,000 square metre, the new terminal will be able to handle over 3,000 passengers per hour.

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 11 Aug 2018 23:34

here's the AAI data :
https://www.aai.aero/sites/default/file ... annex3.pdf

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some of those growth rates are just gobsmacking ! 90%, 66%, 48.9%, 47.6% !! :eek:

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby Dileep » 13 Aug 2018 09:34

Singha wrote:tractors are towing planes to near the runway at kochi before engine start to prevent sucking in water


This video is from the 2013 flood. With the current flood situation, there was no water anywhere in the airport.

A lot of videos goes around like this. Some from the 2013 flood. Some from other airports.

Some newspaper from Trivandrum even published a report, saying that "our airport" is all ready to receive all the planes diverted from Cochin.

Eventually, nothing happened. CIAL had done its job and put in the proper drains, not only within the airport, but also with the streams outside. Once water levels rose in the river, they shut down landings for two hours as precaution and took stock. They deployed earthmovers to clear some accumulated debris in the streams outside etc.

End result... Everything normal onlee...

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Re: Civil Aviation Development & Discussion

Postby nachiket » 14 Aug 2018 01:47

Rahul M wrote:some of those growth rates are just gobsmacking ! 90%, 66%, 48.9%, 47.6% !! :eek:

And most of those at the relatively smaller cities like Bhubaneshwar, Tirupati, Vijaywada etc. It is impossible to plan for this kind of growth I guess when it comes to airport infra. They are going to end up feeling like railway stations for a while till the terminals and other facilities are expanded.


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