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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Raja Bose » 20 Jan 2015 11:50

Singha wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-20/twitter-said-to-pay-30-million-for-india-mobile-startup-zipdial.html

one of the 3 founders ameya pathak is a family friend. I guess he is camping at the local bmw dealership today :)


Why bummer? Why not Maserati? :mrgreen: Is this a 3 guy startup or do they have more folks?

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 20 Jan 2015 13:14

they have a bunch of employees. one founder is a american expat who runs a lot of fm's around the world in bq times. around 5 yrs old co.
you can see pix here https://www.facebook.com/valwagoner?fref=ts

ameya wears asics nimbus shoes to office :D but his wife who is my wife's classmate has escalated steeply from a start 2 yrs ago and sunday clocked 2:09 in scmm hm.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby SaiK » 21 Jan 2015 00:39

IMF says only US economy will do better in 2015

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Virendra » 21 Jan 2015 12:03

What about the theory of recurring recession every 8 years - 1992 - 2000 - 08 - 16 ??

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Neshant » 26 Jan 2015 23:09

interestingly the bible has a passage which says debtors are to have their debts forgiven every 7 years.

a very wise thing as nobody can keep another in bondage indefinitely.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby negi » 29 Jan 2015 22:56

Linkedin has a series of articles about IBM planning to lay off about 100k people in next few months. :shock:

In India some of my friends who are or were in IBM say that IBM has long stopped disclosing it's official headcount , it is easier for them to fire people that way. :oops:

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby KJo » 29 Jan 2015 22:59

Indian IT is fully ingrained into the world. India is no longer exempt from bad stuff happening around the world.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride. My prediction is that the folks who joined IT just for the easy money will get weeded out and Indian IT will go up several notches in quality. This happened in the US and will happen in India.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby SBajwa » 29 Jan 2015 23:38

by Vivek_a
a. Where do I get access to these Hadoop clusters in the first place. AWS is okay for a company but you and I cannot afford that as a hobby project.


Get a cheap dell machine, install linux and then virtually install 2-3 machines on in it. Then create hadoop cluster on these virtual machines (I have done it for testing).

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby negi » 29 Jan 2015 23:44

^ You guys should check out Openstack's Sahara .

http://docs.openstack.org/developer/sah ... rview.html

Basically it can spawn Hadoop clusters on demand of requested version and specification.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby schowdhuri » 30 Jan 2015 18:04

KJo wrote:Indian IT is fully ingrained into the world. India is no longer exempt from bad stuff happening around the world.
Just sit back and enjoy the ride. My prediction is that the folks who joined IT just for the easy money will get weeded out and Indian IT will go up several notches in quality. This happened in the US and will happen in India.


I was in the US when the dotcom bust happened, and was happy because I thought all the absolutely useless people who had got into IT during the dotcom boom would be weeded out. Did not happen that way. Lots of useless people remained, lots of good people lost their jobs. Saw the same thing repeat several times, though on a lesser scale, and am a much wiser person now.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby SBajwa » 30 Jan 2015 21:08

Anybody that is not from Math, Engineering, Computer Science background should not be educated to design/develop/model/modify/etc CODE or any time of Computer Systems nor they should be given a job in IT field.

There are some things that I just don't get about Indian IT.

like.

first you get into top Engineering college and became engineers and then you get an MBA and become a manager?

First you get a degree in Psychology/History/Social Science/Geography and then you take couple of courses in web design/programming language and you think you are an expert in Java?

There are no standards for IT education. Punjab government has semi-literate people (who just know how to click and read punjabi newspapers) hired as "Computer Teachers"

99% of people in India think that once you are a computer engineer you can fix all PCs.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby ArmenT » 30 Jan 2015 22:06

SBajwa wrote:Anybody that is not from Math, Engineering, Computer Science background should not be educated to design/develop/model/modify/etc CODE or any time of Computer Systems nor they should be given a job in IT field.

Not true. Some of the best programmers and architects that I've ever worked with were not CS graduates. Some of the best were graduates of physics, psychology, linguistics, music, mech. engineering, couple of high school grads, even a qualified lawyer and an actor! The one thing that all these people had in common was that they all got into programming due to various circumstances, found out that they liked it, and decided to study on their own in their spare time and built up their skills. The CS grads in my dept. are all junior level programmers. Two of them are Indians with masters degrees in CS. One is a java-only jockey and she doesn't want to work with any other language + she isn't very good at practical java, so I only let her do internal UI development. The other one gets to do testing.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Sachin » 31 Jan 2015 09:55

SBajwa wrote:Anybody that is not from Math, Engineering, Computer Science background should not be educated to design/develop/model/modify/etc CODE or any time of Computer Systems nor they should be given a job in IT field.

You are generalising too much. I myself am a Arts Graduate with 49% marks. Started learning computer programming (as a hobby) in 10th standard. In the industry for nearly 15+ years now. Have been doing the same type of designing/coding/testing as the next door B.Tech, MCA dude does. Have seen PUC educational level folks doing excellent job on MS products (like VB, .NET etc.), and been in the IT industry again for 10+ years. Have also seen a B.Tech Computer Science from a college in TN who openly stated that he does not know how to draw a simple flow chart, and explain the logic in a step-by-step mode.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby negi » 31 Jan 2015 10:04

Degrees these days are used mostly for filtering applicants not evaluating them .

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby ChandraV » 31 Jan 2015 14:34

Computer programming is something that can be learned and done by ANYONE with reasonable intelligence and analytical skills. I don't think the undergraduate degree matters at all.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Comer » 31 Jan 2015 15:06

I too don't think degree matters that much.
But programming is not just about algorithms and logic. You would need to know underlying architecture, including kernel. It would be easier if one comes through the CS degree but can always picked up outside the academics.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby ChandraV » 01 Feb 2015 16:01

saravana wrote:I too don't think degree matters that much.
But programming is not just about algorithms and logic. You would need to know underlying architecture, including kernel. It would be easier if one comes through the CS degree but can always picked up outside the academics.


Respectfully disagree here too. Why would one need to know anything about kernel and OS structures while writing a Javascript code to validate user input on a web page? Why would one need to know about paging and segmentation carried out by the OS while writing an Oracle stored procedure to join data from multiple tables and insert the output in another table?

Its all about abstraction. Once you sufficiently abstract something, the goal is that you should not need to know anything about the underlying architecture or design (at least in theory). If one were to disagree with this, the argument could be extended to the fact that a computer science engineer needs to know processor architecture and design - all the buses and logic gates and cpu registers etc. Or perhaps even the fundas of voltage and internal PC electronics.

I myself am a Computer Science Engineer, but I haven't encountered the need to apply most of my theoretical knowledge. Around 2% of what I studied in college has helped me in my career.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Comer » 01 Feb 2015 16:41

That is post facto rationalization. Not a lot of people land up on the specific domain they like or wish for. Your 2% could be not relevant to me as my 2% is. But we had to learn those 4% in college.
Again, a UI designer or programmer atleast need to have a basic understanding of interrupts and page faults to do his job effectively. An understanding of underlying file system and network would be really useful in for a guy writing client/server or stored procedure. The decision to use stored procedure or a script on the client side requires such understanding.
and yes learning all of the subsystems mentioned in your post gives a programmer an overall picture.
Abstraction helps in coding or designing fast. But that shouldn't be a reason to understand the underlying mechanism.
Sometimes I think the software design or programming is undersold. It can be really complex and requires a very good understanding of the underlying system.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Singha » 01 Feb 2015 17:03

There is no silo anymore. In future same guy will have to code/port/maintain the entire stack from device driver to application.
That's the way startups are going. Big cos will.also follow.

The versatile ppl will grab or create the best opportunities and lead things.
This is already the reality.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Comer » 01 Feb 2015 17:08

Agree. The layering and opaqueness are not excuses anymore. If you want to write a call back, write the invocation too!

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby subhamoy.das » 01 Feb 2015 18:36

Software is a machine that controls real world work flows. In the real world people gets work done by exchanging messages among them selves using paper, phone , email etc. In real work machines gets work done by exchanging messages among them selves over network. Software simply takes over this control. People who are good at software design are usually the ones who are able to grasp complex real work flows in terms of the worker roles, work items, tasks performed by worker roles etc. Implementing them in software is a piece of cake. After all the most challenging aspect of software design is to model the real world.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Comer » 01 Feb 2015 19:27

IMHO, the God is in the details. Just the exchanging messages over network involves several selection decisions, design decisions which could affect the design of the software at either end. And several design choices don't have strict equivalences in the real world.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby Rishirishi » 02 Feb 2015 03:33

Our company outsourced SAP and is now on the recieving end. They have just realizeed the real costs :rotfl:

But discussion has already started to move out of SAP. what if any options are there?? Everyone seems to be thinking of could.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

Postby csaurabh » 02 Feb 2015 08:28

About 90% of those working in Indian IT industry have no interest in software development or computer science. They only want a good job with money.

That, is the real problem.

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Re: Indian IT Industry

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