India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

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Postby RajeshA » 06 Sep 2008 14:23

Questions for Gurus:

FMCT doesn't really cover Thermonuclear Bombs, does it?

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Postby RajeshA » 06 Sep 2008 14:36

Nuclear supplier countries reconvene on US-India deal: AFP

VIENNA (AFP) — Nuclear supplier nations met again Saturday to try to break a deadlock in talks on a US initiative to lift a 34-year-old embargo on nuclear trade with India.

After talking into the early hours of Saturday, delegates from the so-called Nuclear Suppliers Group were set to gather again at 11:00 am (0900 GMT) to see if any headway was still possible amid complaints of "bullying" tactics by Washington.

Discussions had broken up shortly before 2:00 am (0000 GMT) after the Chinese delegation walked out in support of three countries -- Austria, Ireland and New Zealand -- holding out for a clear-cut commitment on India's part to refrain from nuclear bomb testing, a diplomat had attended the meeting said.

"The Chinese were furious. They walked out. And there's no agreement without the Chinese," the diplomat told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Irish were furious, too, and had complained that the US had been bullying them.

"There were several high-level phone calls" to the capitals of the hold-out countries, with even US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condeleeza Rice on the phone, the diplomat said. :D

The talks had been meant to end on Friday, but Washington is keen to get a deal through so that the US Congress can ratify it before it adjourns at the end of September for November elections.

The 2005 US-India deal is one of Bush's key foreign policy initiatives and may not come about it at all if left to the next government.

NSG rules ban nuclear trading with India because it refuses to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, developed atomic bombs in secret and conducted its first nuclear test in 1974.

The United States wants a special waiver from NSG rules for India, so it can share civilian nuclear technology with New Delhi.

The United States argues the deal would bring India into the NPT fold and help combat global warming by allowing it to develop low-polluting nuclear energy.

Critics say the deal undermines international non-proliferation efforts and accuse the nuclear powers of pursuing commercial and political gains.

There are three main sticking points, one diplomat said.

Termination of trade if India tests, no transfer of enrichment and reprocessing technoloyg and an annual review of the agreement.

But the crunch issue appears to be nuclear testing, since New Delhi has not signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

India has said it "remains committed to a voluntary, unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing."

But New Zealand, Ireland and Austria are demanding a stronger commitment.

On Friday, Peter Launsky-Tieffenthal, a spokesman for the Austrian foreign ministry had told Indian private television NDTV in a telephone interview: "We want to have more effective and qualitatively improved security architecture" and "auxilliary measures" needed to be incorporated in the waiver text.

"So far, the draft text (of the agreement) is weak, with no real condition or consequence should India test," one diplomat said.

Speaking to reporters in the early hours of Saturday, acting US Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security, John Rood, said he felt "confident" an accord could still be reached.


With Dubya and Condi getting really frustrated with the Pipsqueak and China, the chances look really good for the creation of the NSG-10.

Yesh, I hab a Dream. I dream of EnEssJee-10.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby nkumar » 06 Sep 2008 14:42

From Siddarth Varadarajan's blog:

06 SEPTEMBER 2008

NSG Update @ 1050 on Saturday
Vienna: The Nuclear Suppliers Group is about to resume its discussions this morning on the American proposal to grant India an exemption for its restrictive trading rules. When I checked 10 minutes ago, the Indian delegation was cautiously upbeat, dropping hints that this story might well have a happy ending by the evening.

There have been overnight efforts by the Indians and Americans to speak to some of the countries still holding out, including China. But initial reports I am getting from diplomats from countries without a dog in the fight (think former Soviet Bloc in the widest sense) is that the Chinese opposition is being a bit hyped up by both the Americans and the nonproliferation lobby for reasons of their own.
"May be [the Chinese] were a bit impatient at the delay last night but there was no demarche or walkout. Some [members of] of their delegation left early, as did many officials from many countries, but I can confirm the presence of Chinese colleagues in the small working groups till the time our work ended just after 1:30 a.m."
Thus spake one of these diplomats in a chat with me this morning.

I must say that NONE of the 30-odd journalists who had staked out the Andromeda Tower where the NSG is meeting (in the 27th floor offices of the Japanese mission to the U.N.) -- including me -- saw anything resembling a group of Chinese diplomats leaving the building (in a huff or otherwise) around 0045 as some reports today are saying.


So while the Chinese remain a problem area, I think we need to be mindful of spin. The Americans would like India to believe the Chinese are the main villains here. And the non-pro wallahs would like to boost their own thinning ranks by bandwagoning with Beijing. Both narratives are perhaps accurate, and the Chinese have acted fiendishly but astutely in playing their hand so late. However, the binding constraint today is Ireland-New Zealand-Austria, and not China. If the three yield, you can be sure Beijing will not want to be part of a Gang of One. Not for any reason other than that the political cost in terms of bilateral relations with India would be enormous. A Chinese veto will ensure the one thing Beijing says it doesn't want -- an Indo-American alliance.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby RajeshA » 06 Sep 2008 14:51

UPDATE 1-Nuclear suppliers hold up US-India deal--diplomats by Mark Heinrich: Reuters

VIENNA, Sept 6 (Reuters) - A U.S. push to lift a global ban on nuclear trade with India stalled on Saturday when a revised proposal failed to win over nations because it did not bind India to refrain from more nuclear bomb tests, diplomats said.

At stake is the survival of a controversial 2005 U.S.-India nuclear cooperation deal, a major initiative of President George W. Bush's administration which risks an uncertain fate if left to his successor, who will take office in January.

To launch the deal, Washington and New Delhi need a one-off waiver of Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) rules against exports to India, an atomic weapons state outside the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) which tested bombs in 1974 and 1998.

If Washington cannot secure an NSG exemption within days, the U.S. Congress may run out of time to ratify the deal before it adjourns at the end of September for November elections.

Feverish U.S. efforts to clinch consensus at a two-day NSG meeting on the waiver dragged proceedings well into Friday night but finally stumbled on the testing issue, forcing adjournment in Saturday's early hours.

"No decision is possible at this time. The meeting is to resume at 11 a.m. (0900 GMT) today," one diplomat said.

Many members of the nuclear cartel, which seeks to prevent the spread of proliferation-prone nuclear fuel and technology, welcomed an Indian pledge rejecting any nuclear arms race and reaffirming a voluntary moratorium on tests.

"MOMENTUM" FALLS SHORT

John Rood, acting U.S. undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, said India's gesture had added "positive momentum" to efforts to agree an NSG waiver.

But some in the exclusive nuclear club felt the commitment was not sufficiently binding on New Delhi.

Six NSG nations had been demanding a clause stipulating an automatic cessation of the waiver if India tested another bomb.

After India's statement, the holdout group splintered as Norway, the Netherlands and Switzerland indicated they could accept more limited language, diplomats said.

But Ireland, Austria and New Zealand rejected amended language presented to them individually by U.S. officials on Friday evening as inadequate, several diplomats told Reuters.

They said the meeting broke down when China walked out in support of Ireland, Austria and New Zealand.

"The Americans have bullied them, including with high-level phone calls to their capitals, but they held firm because the U.S. has showed no flexibility on testing," said one diplomat.

"The (revised text as it stands) gives no clear consequences for India if it tests, only a special meeting if that happens and that does not commit the NSG to take action," said another.

Decisions by the nuclear export cartel must be unanimous.

Washington says the nuclear cooperation deal with New Delhi would forge a strategic partnership with the world's largest democracy, help India meet exploding energy demand in an environmentally friendly way and open a nuclear market worth billions of dollars for Western firms.

NSG critics fear India could use access to nuclear material markets indirectly to boost its bomb programme and drive nuclear rival and fellow NPT outsider Pakistan into another arms race.


If no solution is found today, then it is more or less obvious that the Pipsqueak were not there just as USA's B-Team but were following the demands of their own domestic constituencies. If it is found, then one can remain suspicious.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Suppiah » 06 Sep 2008 15:10

What can explain the pathetic attempt to white wash the Chinese story in this blog? A harsh call from Beijing to their puppets to speak to the propaganda chief and change the story?

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby SSridhar » 06 Sep 2008 15:28

China is the cleverest of the lot. It piggybacked on the others at the right time, without revealing its hand earlier and probably even giving a false sense of security to India, and ensured that the waiver was wrecked.

What are the Indian communists going to say now about the implacable animosity of their mother country ? Leave alone whether MMS was becoming an ally of the US, whether MMS misled the Parliament, whether MMS bribed Parliamentarians etc. The question to be answered by the Indian communist drohis is their reaction to the wreckage of a national programme by the Chinese. One need or need not agree with the policy of the ruling coalition but one cannot allow a foreign power to subvert an Indian programme. The Commies stand exposed now. We all knew they were working at the behest of the Chinese masters before, but the hand has been revealed now and they owe the nation an explanation, however weak that may be.

It would be interesting to read the Chinese handmaiden's editorial tomorrow.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Suppiah » 06 Sep 2008 15:34

The sad sad part of this story is that just as the Chinese play hide and seek and not come out openly, their puppets in India will also point fingers at BJP. This foolish party should have made some noise, got some ducks shot and come out in strong support.

A request - can someone please explain in this thread or in Red Menace / media thread, about various family members of Chindu and who stands where in terms of being faithful to the politburo's agenda. It appears there are shades of red here but finally the deep red wins all the time?

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby ravi_s » 06 Sep 2008 15:38

cnn ibn breaking news.. nsg waiver done..

looking for more details about the conditionalities

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby SureshP » 06 Sep 2008 15:39

Breaking News


India gets the the waiver


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 15:42

TV channels are going ballistic now...but lets wait and see if any further mods were
done to the waiver language.

on the +ve side, a few nations not on Bush sahib's calling list got close 'attention'
from the Big-B and the benefit of his cold voice. :twisted: they will line up with
their tails in a perfect straight line in the next meeting.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby ravi_s » 06 Sep 2008 15:46

cnn ibn says many members skipped meet today...

lizard didn't come today at all.. :rotfl:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 15:51

a free ticket to a re-educashun camp and hard labour awaits their psyops
team on this case. punishment is swift and certain in pandaland for issues
of this nature.

a new team is in session figuring out ways and means to punish the Yindu
and show us dogs our place. those AD radars and ELINT facilities in NEast
better be up and about 24x7

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby SSridhar » 06 Sep 2008 15:58

It is bewidering. I was just listening to the Austrian delegate on CNN-IBN. He was elusive on the questions asked. But, what changed the situation ? The Austrian diplomat said that Pranab's statement yesterday played a big role. But, what was new in that statement that was not known before ? That can only be a red herring.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Dmurphy » 06 Sep 2008 16:00

Gotem! They did it!! :rotfl:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby A Arun » 06 Sep 2008 16:02

Allah Hu Akbar! :rotfl:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby enqyoob » 06 Sep 2008 16:08

Is it a cleanly wavering waiver, or a waverlingly clean waiver, or a conditionally clean waiver or a waiver of the condition that it should wave cleanly? :?:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby A Arun » 06 Sep 2008 16:10

Let's hope it's cleaner than the air in Beijing

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby vsudhir » 06 Sep 2008 16:12

Hmmm.... does seem like cheen did abstain.

Anyone have a link to the agreement language yet? Know, its early hours yet but perhaps the ACA types have leaked through their undees...

Congratulations to the team for pulling off a Diplomatic T20 victory from the spectator stands onlee.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Rahul M » 06 Sep 2008 16:15

a job well done ! pipsqueaks, here we come ! :twisted:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:16

its just about hitting the intl newswires now. our munna media was ofcourse first on the
ball via cellphone calls home.

AP:

Delegates: 45-nation group OKs US-India nuke deal

By WILLIAM J. KOLE – 31 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — Delegates at 45-nation talks say they have approved a contentious U.S. plan to sell peaceful nuclear material technology to India.

The officials spoke Saturday to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the closed door proceedings.

But they say the talks have overcome misgivings expressed by Austria, Ireland and New Zealand.

One delegate says Saturday's session produced "a total consensus" on the deal. The agreement would reverse more than three decades of U.S. policy toward India.

India has tested atomic weapons and refused to sign international nonproliferation treaties.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Nitesh » 06 Sep 2008 16:18

singh is king singh is king singh is king :mrgreen: 8)

http://www.pr-inside.com/delegates-say- ... 791424.htm
VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Delegates at 45-nation talks say they have approved a contentious U.S. plan to sell peaceful nuclear material technology to India.
The officials spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the closed door proceedings.
But they said the talks in Vienna have overcome misgivings expressed by Austria, Ireland and New Zealand. One delegate said Saturday's session produced «a total consensus» on the deal, which would reverse more than three decades of U.S. policy toward India.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Satish » 06 Sep 2008 16:24

Latest Update.

Delegates: 45-nation group OKs US-India nuke deal
By WILLIAM J. KOLE – 13 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — The Nuclear Suppliers Group approved a contentious U.S. plan to sell peaceful nuclear material technology to India, delegates at the 45-nation talks said Saturday.

The officials, who met in Vienna, spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the closed door proceedings.

But they said the talks overcame misgivings expressed by Austria, Ireland and New Zealand. One delegate said Saturday's session produced "a total consensus" on the deal, which would reverse more than three decades of U.S. policy toward India.

India has tested atomic weapons and refused to sign international nonproliferation treaties.

The U.S. needed approval from the nuclear group, which governs the legal trade in nuclear components and technology.

The deal still also needs authorization from U.S. Congress, and the Bush administration has been racing to get acceptance before lawmakers recess for the rest of the year to devote time to their re-election campaigns.

Austria issued a statement saying it lifted its objections after India pledged Friday not to touch off a new nuclear arms race or share sensitive nuclear technology with other countries. Austria's government called that pledge "decisive."

Before the nuclear group approved the deal, U.S. officials had contended that selling peaceful nuclear technology to India would bring the country's atomic program under closer scrutiny and boost — not undermine — international nonproliferation efforts.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:32

I demand Sire a immediate and high power naval delegation be sent from Mumbai to negotiate
for a tieup with a US shipyard for building future DDG and CG ships.

chipanda must be stopped before its encroachments in the IOR become deep rooted.

and extra shifts on that ATV thing. Jan26/09 or bust! PM must fly in the afternoon to
Vizag after the parade and pull the curtain....

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:35

Monsters and Critics UK

Vienna - The United States convinced nuclear-exporting countries to approve trade with India on Saturday, leaving the US Congress just enough time before the presidential elections to ratify the 2005 bilateral nuclear agreement with New Delhi.

At the end of a three-day meeting in Vienna of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), which sets nuclear export rules, diplomats said they reached consensus on an export waiver for India.

It will now be able to access global nuclear markets for its growing atomic energy programme, despite the fact that it has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

The trade waiver is an essential part of Washington's 2005 nuclear deal with New Delhi, which is seen as as a cornerstone for improving strategic relations.

The administration of President George W Bush was under pressure to find NSG consensus this week, as there is little time for Congress in Washington to approve the bilateral agreement before it goes into recess in late September or early October.

India's declaration on Friday about its commitments to nuclear non- proliferation was key to making a decision possible, diplomats said.

A source close to the talks said the draft trade exemption now includes a direct reference a statement by Indian Foreign Minister Pranak Mukerjee, in which he said his country was committed to a moratorium on nuclear weapons testing.


Austria, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Switzerland were the most vocal of the 45 NSG members in insisting that the trade exemption should take the possibility of an Indian nuclear weapons test into consideration.

According to participants of the meeting the United States administration talked to critical nuclear-exporting countries as well as China on the highest political level in order to make a decision possible on Saturday.

Apart from the US, countries such as France and Russia are hoping to win lucrative nuclear contracts with India, which plans to build at least eight new nuclear reactors until 2012.

If US vendors won two of these contracts, it would create 3,000 to 5,000 new domestic jobs, according to a letter by the US State Department to the Foreign Affairs committee of the House of Representatives.


The Nuclear Suppliers Group was formed in reaction to India's first atomic weapons test in 1974, which it conducted using foreign nuclear technology.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:38

Nuclear supplier countries give green light to US-India deal

5 hours ago

VIENNA (AFP) — Nuclear supplier nations adopted by consensus here Saturday a US initiative to lift a 34-year-old embargo on nuclear trade with India, the Austrian delegation said.

"After protracted negotiations, the Nuclear Suppliers Group today adopted an exemption for nuclear exports to India," the Austrian foreign ministry said in a statement.


The breakthrough came after around 90 minutes of additional talks on Saturday and was reached when Austria, which said it was one of the last of the 45 NSG member countries to hold out against the deal, secured a formal pledge by India to keep to its non-proliferation commitments and uphold a moratorium on nuclear bomb testing. (that was the pranabdastatement not any signed pledge methinks)


Discussions had been going on since Thursday and had broken up shortly before 2:00 am (0000 GMT) on Saturday after the Chinese delegation walked out in support of three countries -- Austria, Ireland and New Zealand -- holding out for a clear-cut commitment on India's part to refrain from nuclear bomb testing.

Washington was keen to get a deal through so that the US Congress could ratify it before it adjourned at the end of September for November elections.

The 2005 US-India deal is one of Bush's key foreign policy initiatives.

NSG rules ban nuclear trading with India because it refuses to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, developed atomic bombs in secret and conducted its first nuclear test in 1974.

The United States wants a special waiver from NSG rules for India, so it can share civilian nuclear technology with New Delhi.

The United States argues the deal would bring India into the NPT fold and help combat global warming by allowing it to develop low-polluting nuclear energy.

Critics say the deal undermines international non-proliferation efforts and accuse the nuclear powers of pursuing commercial and political gains.

There had been three main sticking points: termination of trade if India tests, no transfer of enrichment and reprocessing technology and an annual review of the agreement.

But the crunch issue appeared to be nuclear testing, since New Delhi has not signed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

India has said it "remains committed to a voluntary, unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing."

But New Zealand, Ireland and Austria had been holding out for a stronger commitment.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Satish » 06 Sep 2008 16:41

If the statement below is true then it pretty much caps our nuclear weapons program...

"A source close to the talks said the draft trade exemption now includes a direct reference a statement by Indian Foreign Minister Pranak Mukerjee, in which he said his country was committed to a moratorium on nuclear weapons testing."

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:43

more confirmation that it was the pranabda comments. sounds more like a figleaf for the NPAs
to save some H&D and claim they did not GUBO when the cold clear voice of Big-B blew
in over the hotline. :rotfl:

why should it "CAP" our nuclear program? afaik the draft approved does not talk about any
automatic stoppage of trade by NSG if India tests (this was demanded by the NPAs).
we can voluntarily test if and when we need to just like we said its a voluntarily moratorium.

India has still not signed the CTBT :rotfl: that is what would make a test ban
legal.


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Austria issued a statement saying it lifted its objections after India pledged Friday not to touch off a new nuclear arms race or share sensitive nuclear technology with other countries. Austria's government called that pledge "decisive."

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:48

Mira Kamdar "writer at larger" publishes a critical piece in WP on the deal.
I refuse to post that link.

http://mirakamdar.blogspot.com/

these people live on their family wealth in paris and NYC , grown fat on the
very capitalism and nationalism they criticise in their tea-room letters.

a resounding slap they deserve.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby BSR Murthy » 06 Sep 2008 16:48

Well the drama is over. India should go full throttle buying all the dual use technologies it wants ASAP. Since, we are an acknowledged nuke weapons state (albeit, in a slightly round about way), we should build the nuclear capability to the fullest without delay.
Jai Hind!

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 16:50

L&T and Gammon shares could be a good buy methinks.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby enqyoob » 06 Sep 2008 16:51

Even later update:

atest Update.

Delegates: China Snubs Indian Delegation
By KIrrIAM A. HORE – 3 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria (AP) — The Nuclear Suppliers Group approved a contentious Imperialist plan to sell peaceful nuclear material technology to India, delegates at the 45-nation talks said Saturday. (it wasn't the PLAN that was contentious .. it was the ornery drunks there who were contentious)

The officials, who met in Vienna, spoke to the NNN on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the closed door proceedings.

But they said the talks "ended on a positive note with the Chinese delegation heard saying "AHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" in the PPPlace of the Schloss Hitler.

"Around 2pm, the Chinese delegation all raised one finger each. This was seen to be a gesture of friendly agreement by the US delegation, who immediately got on their cellphones and placed calls to the White House. They were told the President had had one too many and could not be woken up".

When this was communicated to the assemblage, the Chinese delegation got up and walked out, seeming rather stiff in the joints as they walked hurriedly.

This event was announced as a Chinese Walkout.

Sid Harth Varadarajan of the Chinese-owned Indian family's newspaper, The (C)Hindu, scurried to put out a Special Bulletin on his Blog clarifying that the Chinese Delegation had not walked out past his Indian Delegation carrying Red Flags soaked in certain fluids from Nandigram in West Bengal. This is being regarded in high spheres in New Delhi, viz, the heads of the heads of the CPI(M), as being a terrible snub for failing to overthrow the Indian government run by Running Dogs of Capitalist Imperialism Except in Nandigram.


Hey, just because this news seems sharper and clearer and freer of conditionalities, don't delete it - it is NO LESS CREDIBLE than other garbage attributed to "diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK, but did so anyway.." :roll:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Victor » 06 Sep 2008 16:53

There is no way the Chinese would want to be clubbed with political ants like New Zealand and Austria. Also no way they would openly scr3w India, no matter how hard the Americans and euros tried to accomplish that. Unlike the ants, they have plenty to lose by angering 1.3 billion next door neighbours who are rising in strength every minute. It is possible that they decided the outcome by pulling the support rug from under the ants. That would be the pragmatic thing to do--try to make India permanently owe them one. Make lemonade out of a lemon. Hopefully we never forget these ants though :evil:. We have to demonstrate somehow and in good time that there will be consequences.

Anyway, kudos to our granite babus! AOA and full steam ahead :).

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby enqyoob » 06 Sep 2008 16:53

Mira Kamdar

One of many commie-paki On-Demand-Op-Ed writers assembled by the FOIL. I believe Angana C was the Chaircommie for Organizing Op-Eds per their organizational structure set up to plan for the Godhra atrocity, in January 2002. Many more such OpEds must be floating around.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby RajeshA » 06 Sep 2008 16:56

Balle, balle, balle, balle! :D :D :D

Gal Ban Gayi!

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Nitesh » 06 Sep 2008 16:56

guys seems like the language has not been changed much:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 452272.cms
India gets NSG waiver at Vienna
6 Sep 2008, 1605 hrs IST,IANS

VIENNA: The 45-member Nuclear Suppliers' Group on Saturday passed by consensus a "clean waiver" to start nuclear commerce with India. ( Watch )

There were no "major changes" in the draft. The language and wordings worked on by the US were acceptable to all the NSG members.

The US had earlier consulted India on the changes brought about in the wordings of the draft, and put it before the NSG members, only after New Delhi's approval.

A formal announcement will be made shortly in Vienna by Germany, the chairman of the 45-member powerful cartel that controls the global supply of nuclear fuel and technologies.

External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee, who was part of Friday's late night consultation with the Americans on the changed language in the draft, apprised Prime Minister Manmohan Singh about the developments in the NSG on Saturday morning.

The NSG's decision to grant India a "clean waiver" from its existing rules, which forbid nuclear trade with a country which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), came after three days of intense diplomacy by the US in the nuclear cartel.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Rupesh » 06 Sep 2008 17:04

Now what will happen to Karat and Co (PPL in Kerala and WB can prepare for another bandh )...Arundhati Roy can jump from the top of qutub minar :mrgreen:

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Victor » 06 Sep 2008 17:10

Satish wrote:If the statement below is true then it pretty much caps our nuclear weapons program...

"A source close to the talks said the draft trade exemption now includes a direct reference a statement by Indian Foreign Minister Pranak Mukerjee, in which he said his country was committed to a moratorium on nuclear weapons testing."

Nope.
Mor-a-to-ri-um: General sense of "a postponement, deliberate temporary suspension"...
An authorized period of delay in the performance of an obligation..

American Heritage Dictionary.
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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby Singha » 06 Sep 2008 17:11

under strict and direct orders from beijing I am expecting
- more arms and guidance to the NE bandits
- aid routed via Nepal Govt to the Maoists
- step up of 'farmer' and 'dalit' protests against industrialisation
- media agents on the offensive with op-eds and books
- newer missiles for pakistan
- song class submarines for pak or even the now retired Xia

idea is to corrode the people's trust in governance, demoralize
the govt itself and weaken the systems of governance and
rule of law to the extent possible.
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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby enqyoob » 06 Sep 2008 17:11

When the Supreme Court finally allowed the Narmada Dam to proceed, Arundhoti claims to have stood in the rising (i.e., at 1 cm per day) waters of the reservoir's outer reaches daring the waters to come any higher, in a re-enactment of the famous Eye-Eye-Tee song:
She went into the water and she got her ankles wet..


Maybe they will sit under the reactor vessel as it is lowered into place.

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Re: India nuclear news and discussion - 1 sep 2008

Postby sivab » 06 Sep 2008 17:12

KS has proved he knows how the system works. Congratulations to GoI and Scicom team.
US has delivered on its side of bargain. Thanks to dubya and all countries who supported
India's position.

Having said that it is also true that this is informal CTBT through backdoor. There are
no two ways about it. It was clear from 123, atleast to me. GoI and Scicom are OK with
that. To me positive opinion of strategic thinkers like Kalam, Mishra, KS, RC and AK are
very important. If they say its OK it must be so. I also respect PKI's opinion, but majority
won.

JMT.


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