Terror Attacks on Mumbai-II

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 28 Nov 2008 23:13

Thanks to Major Unnikrishnan and other bravehearts. The nation still has hope due to people like you willing to die for us.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Nov 2008 23:14

shaardula wrote: OT...
i cried when i saw stock footage of people offering jai-jaikaars to the commandos, and one commando actually waved at the crowds. ultimately, they are the real guardians and protectors. they are the real bharat rakshaks.

anger is welling up against our intelligencia. but will wait till this is all over. who ever and whatever authority that is in charge not the time to question it or undermine it. it does not matter who leads us now. now is the time to line up behind leadership and put our faith behind it.

there will come a time for analysis but that has to be post partum. first let the rakshaks do their job. and pray intelligencia lines up behind the rakshaks.

Indeed shaardula, the commandos being welcomed as heroes by the brave public is something you will see only in India. I say brave public: where else in the world can you see public actually risking their own lives to be with the security forces?

I have been maintaining that we need this to get over before ANY evaluation of anyone/anything can be done. That includes intelligentsia with zero situational awareness.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Nov 2008 23:15

kobe wrote:stupidity of american "experts" in full view
stephen cohen on PBS explaining "home grown" muslims
just after the Judy Woodruff played the audio of the
terrorist in plain NW pakistani accent

billions of $ of wastage to gather intelligence by CIA
results in "experts" lilke this-

they don't speak the language, they don't know the
history, they don't understand the culture, they
never lived in the region, (let alone grew up in the region)
and proclaim to be "experts" just because they went
to princeton or harvard due to their daddy's riches.

They are trained by the US govt and CIA to be experts but have
limited knowledge of the culture and language.

But they get a big voice and big media to show and pretend that they are experts.

Abhijit N · Post by **Abhijit N** » 28 Nov 2008 23:16

Just came across this:-

"Forgiving a terrorist- Must be left to "GOD"
But fixing their appointment with "GOD" is our responsibility"
-Indian Army

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 28 Nov 2008 23:18

Pak opposition slams govt's plan to send ISI chief to India

ISLAMABAD: Pakistani opposition parties today slammed the PPP-led government for its decision to send ISI chief to India to share the information
on intelligence, saying that it amounted to "summoning" of the spy agency's head by the Indian Prime Minister.

"The blame game is not the answer to such incidents and it appeared awkward that the ISI chief was going to India almost at the Indian Prime Minister's summoning," opposition PML-N spokesman Ahsan Iqbal said.

Iqbal said the Pakistan government had acted in haste and should instead have offered to form a "joint task force with equal responsibility".

He said that India had in the past blamed Pakistan for terrorist attacks but subsequent probes had shown they were carried out by "internal groups".

Opposition PML-Q and Jamaat-e-Islami also criticised the Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani government's decision.

PML-Q spokesman Tariq Azeem claimed India was resorting to "a knee jerk reaction by blaming Pakistan instead of carrying out a thorough investigation".

The decision to send ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha to India came after the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that investigators had found involvement of Pakistan-based elements in the attacks in Mumbai.

He told Gilani that Pakistan should send its ISI chief to New Delhi "to cooperate in the investigations of the Mumbai attack and for sharing certain information".

Pakistan agreed to Singh's proposal and said Pasha would travel
to New Delhi soon, for which modalities would be worked out by the two sides.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 23:18

Even if these South Asia Experts have the requisite knowledge, they will peddle the US interests which at this point is to ensure that there is no bigger fallout of this event.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Nov 2008 23:18

Sridhar wrote:Can't we arrest the DG ISI when he shows up in Delhi, for being a part of this conspiracy?

Unless he is coming like Niazi to surrender, why not? If the ***** shows his ugly snout in Delhi, lock him up and "let the law take its own course". Enough lives has been lost around the world due to his evil.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 28 Nov 2008 23:20

I think (and it has been stated here) the ISI and terrorists are riding the media like a pony.

The terrorists were aware of what was going on, the NSG has arrived....., the MARCOS have arrived......, NSG is preparing...., the final assult is being launch.... chopper dropping commandos...., all the info they needed,

For a moment, the media kept its restraint the thought of 'TRP' came into their minds.

The whole op was botched as it was carried out in front of the media.

The media kept on saying of well we won't say it as it is an operational detail, but then went on give those details and much more. After this I think media should be kept at least 2 kms far from the scene of active operations and go through on the news conferences. There are enough jokers who can take their questions. Maybe even have a khana khazana type show while they are at it, but KEEP MEDIA AWAY FROM THE SCENE OF OPERATIONS.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 28 Nov 2008 23:21

what the hell are these terrorists eating or doing to stay awake. They haven't slept for 50 hours, running from room to room and engaging NSG/MARCOS.

and now news channels have started to rant about hostages killed in crossfire and calling forces to show caution!!!!!!!! WTF

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Nov 2008 23:22

I want the intel agencies to get financial transactions from pak that is related or routed to news media.. there are many a reporters who wants to say pak should not be held responsible until they are proven.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 23:23

No decision yet on sending ISI Chief: ISPR

Is this similar to the earlier Zardari attempt to bring ISI under civilian control that fell apart within twelve hours ?

Gilani dissolves NSC

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 28 Nov 2008 23:23

Barkha dutt is beyond belief-scary even. Am I the only one who thinks the spinning of the cnn correspondent to the unkil viewers(they bring the feed up on the international channel sometimes) is rather different to what is reported to the international channel directly

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svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Nov 2008 23:25

Jayram wrote:CNN is now reportitng that GOI has stopped all retransimmon of Indian TV channels. So CNN is now depending only on verbal reports. Of course all of us at massa are getiting pretty much the whold scene off the internet. Intrestng move by GOI if true.

CNN anchor - Red head was talking to a terrorism expert and former SWAT team and discussing one of the NSG firing with one arm and firing above his height. She wanted the expert to say
that this is not correct and he said that this thing is not taught to the squad team.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 28 Nov 2008 23:25

God damnit is CNN being insensitive or what. Not only is that piggy reporter Sarah who take ever opportunity to roll her eyes or sigh when reporting about the security forces or the people who are under fire. Any other reporter worth their salt would not be bitching about "being too close" to the story.

They there is Kyra on now using her brilliant Univ of Idaho Mrs. Degree education to dissect a rescue operation based on one clip with the NSG guy raising his one hand to shot into the window. Apparently, she gotten her panties in wad because it might have killed the Jewish hostages and not the bloodthirsty maggots hold up in there.

It's atrocious and I have sent in my complaints and so should all of us who can't stand Fox or MSNBC.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 28 Nov 2008 23:26

Sid,
If you google, you will find reference to "stay awake" ADHD pills that can keep people awake for upto a week.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 28 Nov 2008 23:27

GoI has banned all live video upload to foreign countries for next 2 hours atleast- CNN

Some cheap congress politics or National security initiative

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 23:27

Jayram wrote:CNN is now reportitng that GOI has stopped all retransimmon of Indian TV channels. So CNN is now depending only on verbal reports. Of course all of us at massa are getiting pretty much the whold scene off the internet. Intrestng move by GOI if true.

That means extremely serious ops are underway. The terrorists are getting information based on the international transmissions and they decided to stop it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 23:29

Katare wrote:GoI has banned all live video upload to foreign countries for next 2 hours atleast- CNN

Some cheap congress politics or National security initiative

No one is going to praise the congress. There are some praise congress only forums on Orkut if someone wants such a solace.

rgsrini · Post by **rgsrini** » 28 Nov 2008 23:29

She wanted the expert to say
that this is not correct and he said that this thing is not taught to the squad team.

Acharya, The SWAT expert also mentioned that it could be a diversionary tactics and we cannot say what he is doing from watching the video.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 28 Nov 2008 23:30

Bharadwaj wrote:Barkha dutt is beyond belief-scary even. Am I the only one who thinks the spinning of the cnn correspondent to the unkil viewers(they bring the feed up on the international channel sometimes) is rather different to what is reported to the international channel directly .

There are two kinds of reporting going on.
The leading shouters in the Indian TV networks have a different accent and different view when they are being linked to the international channel but when the local reporters reports to the Indian public they have different outlook

Very interesting. Need to be studied and those links can be found between the media control by foreign groups

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 23:30

The terrorists holed up in the Taj may attempt to blow it up similar to Marriott.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 28 Nov 2008 23:30

A Hindi news channel (Aajtak or Star News I think) got to interview some NSG commandos after they had boarded the bus. A question asked was what message will you give to the terrorists, he said yahaan nahi kahoonga, jab saamne aayega to jawaab doonga jaisa abhi diya hai...something like this. Unforunately can't rememeber other questions and answers...but their answers were forceful.

Are these brave commandos getting rest between operations? I was saddened to see that there were best buses for their transport after they came out, the govt could have got some nice duluxe buses for them.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 28 Nov 2008 23:31

Zee News reporting that one terrorist was a Taj trainee for past 10 months. He shot his trainee colleague, who then sent a sms to his parents.

Explains the topography knowledge

Abhijit N · Post by **Abhijit N** » 28 Nov 2008 23:32

But how will blocking uploads to foreign nations help? The feeds are still available nationally right ?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Nov 2008 23:34

Muppalla wrote:
Katare wrote:GoI has banned all live video upload to foreign countries for next 2 hours atleast- CNN

Some cheap congress politics or National security initiative
No one is going to praise the congress. There are some praise congress only forums on Orkut if someone wants such a solace.

what do you make of it? couple of hours doing what? why a sudden move? it does sound odd.

adharia · Post by **adharia** » 28 Nov 2008 23:35

Probably the GOI has no idea what to do, so they want to show that they are taking some action.

Abhijit N wrote:But how will blocking uploads to foreign nations help? The feeds are still available nationally right ?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Nov 2008 23:35

Its insane.. mark of some leftist party taking command.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 28 Nov 2008 23:36

Plus on various Online channels. Their operatives might have setup their own online channel for information diffusion. Only solution is to JAM all signals..

Don't NSG have their own special transportation trucks like army? why the best buses? Some of them had to stand bcos of few seats..

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 28 Nov 2008 23:36

CNN says their satellite uplink permit expired and they are trying to follow the law - Doesn't look like anything more sinister than that.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Nov 2008 23:37

correct.. why BEST buses for NSG? this is disgusting!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 28 Nov 2008 23:37

We need to debunk the Samjhauta/RDX bullsh!t asap and forcefully IMO. It has caused incalculable damage to India but I don't see a real attempt to clear it up once and for all. Instead, we have allowed it to hang there like a proven fact even though it is only politically motivated speculation at best. It would have been perfect for Arnab to nail Qureshi with it instead of letting the slimeball use it repeatedly and slither away gleefully like he did.

The Samjhauta forensic investigation found no RDX in the explosions, even as a starter for the fuel oils and other inflammables used. The condition of the coaches bore this out as they were burnt, not blown apart as RDX is supposed to do. That also fit the objective of the explosion, which was to cause as many human casualties inside railway compartments, similar to the Godhra massacre. Using RDX as a starter is akin to using a cannon to kill an ant. And using it as the main explosive would have caused minimal casualties outside of the immediate vicinity. At the time, there was no reason for a bias against the use of RDX. Very much to the contrary in fact, because everyone knew that the pakis and their proxies used it all the time. So we urgently need someone in the right position to bury this nonsense immediately.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Nov 2008 23:38

rgsrini wrote:CNN Watch: Susan Lisovicz, NYSE says that Events has tarnished India's reputation as an economic capital. She mentions that it appears that there is no control in the country.

She also indicates that there will not be a long term impact to Indian economy.

Harik. Ok.

When will the west (and its media) learn to shut the f**k up? We heard this sort of yapping about 'Indian incompetence" after tsunami happened. And then we all saw what the "country in control" did during Katrina. then there is Sep 11. All that I remember of that incident was Mayor Guiliani. Not exactly a nice person in my books, but still he was the only man of stature in the whole affair. What happened to the famed Pentagon, its self-decorating generals and most of all, their Supreme Commander? I vaguely remember "bunkers", "evacuation", "shop till you drop" etc.

Societies run solely by business elites dont understand what it is to be poor and yet brave odds. All they want to see are well dressed forces of oppression methodically killing others. Watching the Indian press elites yap in a similar fashion, I too dread the direction our country is taking.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2008 23:39

SaiK wrote:correct.. why BEST buses for NSG? this is disgusting!

Anything else would have needed approvals at highest levels. The file work would take a long time. BEST buses are easy to approve.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 28 Nov 2008 23:39

As someone pointed out, they may be expecting feed of the hotel blowing apart.

Or maybe of a few live terrorists being brought out. Kindly and gently.

Or there may be some truth to the rumor of a large number of victims inside.

Most likely, they want to stop uploads of people

at the senior govt ophisials.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 28 Nov 2008 23:40

Abhijit N wrote:But how will blocking uploads to foreign nations help? The feeds are still available nationally right ?

This is not completely true. They are showing only old shots again and again. We have to have some patience before we know the reasons. Someone in the MI has taken the decision to not allow transmission to foreign channel for a reason. We are that competent to predict and eve if we try we might be going into details of the ops. Let us discuss this after the operations are over.

Abheshek · Post by **Abheshek** » 28 Nov 2008 23:41

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enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 28 Nov 2008 23:41

hnairji:

Great post. I have to think through that one, but it sums it up pretty accurately. "Control"? From the people who have been running the US stock and credit markets?

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 28 Nov 2008 23:42

Stop insulting the brilliant men of NSG by going after BEST buses - they are not there to vacation and they are climbing up buildings with their hands. They will walk across Mumbai if they have to and that is what they are used to. Their primary purpose is to clear Mumbai of scum.

By dragging in unnecessary and irrelevant issues, some of you guys are going to the level of Virjee and other Indian media fatcats.

Katare · Post by **Katare** » 28 Nov 2008 23:43

CNN is using only old videos and new still pictures with phoneline interviews........something is cooking in GoI. She said 10 min back tht short time back GoI snapped all live video feed to international destinations.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 28 Nov 2008 23:43

Abheshek wrote:Warmed my heart to see the crowds chanting "Vande Mataram" & "Bharat Mata ki Jai". Our soldiers are the real heroes, and the ****** politicians treat them like {deleted offensive content, posted repeatedly despite warnings}

absheshek better edit or you will be shaheed on BR if admin sees it. {Seen and banned after repeated warnings, thank u}