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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Nuclear Pakistan: Inevitable necessity

AoA. The author is a former ADC of Quaid-e-Azam (or Kafir-e-Azam according to Abu Ala Al Mawdudi)
It is fact of history that in all the conventional wars fought so far between the two countries Pakistan never got better of India that is Bharat. I am sure and it ought to be clear in the right thinking Pakistani minds that days of chivalry when one Muslim was good enough for ten adversaries are now over, :lol: {It was never there even to start with, you delinquent, because you have yourself admitted in the previous sentence that Pakistani Army never got the better of the Indians in any war} this is the twenty-first century and with the changed politico strategic environments and advanced and sophisticated weaponry it is not on for us to march on to Lal Qila in New Delhi. Pakistan cannot match the armed might of India. Pakistan therefore must try to prevent that situation to arise and for this Pakistan going nuclear was the only option.
Lately there had been lot of talk decrying the need of Pakistan going nuclear. Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy had been in the forefront, along with a few of his ilks, of this non-nuclear Pakistan campaign. A former senior bureaucrat, one time chief secretary of Sindh has now jumped into the foray in denouncing Pakistan being nuclear with an article titled Nuclear Asset or Liability in one of the leading dailies on June 7, 2009. To start with the very caption of this article is misleading as from it the reader expected that the main thrust and the theme of this article would be against Pakistan being nuclear. It was not. It was only causally commented upon in the concluding part of the article.
The author started by referring to a recent statement of Dr A Q Khan alright but then filled up more than half a column in quoting an editorial and in defending, America, Israel and India for not being responsible for our woes. He talked about Talibans and Hillary Clinton's concern about a nuclear Pakistan as a "mortal threat to international security." He ridicules that the Pakistani bomb is no pride for Muslim countries, the proof is that Iranians or an Arab, an Indonesian or a Malaysian, is hardly ever seen on the streets of Pakistan. They all go to India. All this is irrelevant in this context. He talked about Kashmir and advised Pakistan to renew the search for a peaceful solution to Kashmir and once Kashmir is out of the way the two neighbours can look upon each other as potential markets, not battlefields "Yes, if Kashmir is out of the way." The author seems to have a political solution of the Kashmir problem in his pocket. Bravo! The author shyly admits that "owning bombs may have had a purpose in the time of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto or even Nawaz Sharif, there is none any longer." One may ask, has there been any change of hearts in the Indian mind, have they become good and started to abide by the Indus Water Treaty, have they closed their 27 consulates along the Pakistan borders in Afghanistan and withdrawn their troops ostensibly engaged in training Afghan army, have they stopped insurgency in Balochistan? If answers to these questions are in the negative then how does he conclude that "nor does India have any grounds to attack Pakistan." He has also mentioned in passing the name of Pakistan's pride scientist Dr Abdus Salam but it had no relevance to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. Dr Salam should have been better left alone.
These gentlemen who advocate no nuclear arsenal for Pakistan are oblivious of the facts of history of the subcontinent where the majority community, which is now Hindustan, spared no attempt to physically obliterate the minority community (Muslim) and even openly threatened to "throw them into the Indian Ocean." It remained only empty rhetoric.

India cannot change its attitude about Pakistan, it had never reconciled with the division of the subcontinent and ever since has been trying to undo the division, and partially succeeded in 1971 by severing Pakistan's eastern wing. Five explosions in 1998 by Pakistan changed the situation and forced India to change its tactics. Now it depends on insurgency in FATA, Waziristan and Balochistan and diversion of water of rivers like Chenab against the International Water Treaty. But dare no more use of its armed forces on battle fields.
The bomb has done its job. God bless nuclear Pakistan.
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Washington: Pakistan, split in the middle with terrorist attacks and facing an economic crisis, remains among the top 10 failed states, says an index prepared by the renowned Foreign Policy journal.

The country, placed ninth among all countries last year in terms of its overall achievement, has improved its position only by a notch – it is placed 10th in the index for 2009 published in the July-August issue of the journal.

The annual exercise, now in its fifth year, is carried out by the journal and Fund for Peace, an independent research organisation.

The ranking is done on the basis of the following factors: demographic pressure, refugees/internally displaced persons (IDPs), group grievance, uneven development, economic decline, delegitimisation of the state, public service, human rights, factionalised elites and external intervention.

The top 10 failed states in the latest list are: Somalia, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Guinea and Pakistan.

India is placed 87th among the 177 countries under study, with its score showing an improvement over the previous year. But its neighbours fare badly in this ranking, with Sri Lanka placed 12th, Bangladesh 19th and Nepal 25th.

At the other end of the spectrum, the bottom 10 in the list are the top achievers: Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, Denmark, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands.

Foreign Policy noted that it is "a sobering time" for the world's most fragile countries, what with the global financial meltdown, natural disasters, and government collapse.

"Yemen may not yet be front-page news, but it's being watched intently these days in capitals worldwide. A perfect storm of state failure is now brewing there... Many worry Yemen is the next Afghanistan: a global problem wrapped in a failed state.

"It's not just Yemen. The financial crisis was a near-death experience for insurgency-plagued Pakistan, which remains on IMF life support...All indications are that 2009 will bring little to no reprieve," the journal said.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-among-to ... 851-3.html
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Pakistan arrests family of wanted Taliban commander
The family of Mullah Fazlullah, who heads the Taliban of Swat Valley, has been taken into custody, Rehman Malik, Federal Interior Minister, told reporters. He said that Fazlullah's family is safe in government's custody.
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IDPs Funds being misappropriated

In other news... PAEC determines water wet, fire hot
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Ajatshatru wrote:
big black habshi
In these days of extreme political correctness, I was wondering whether it is right to use the word 'habshi'? Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the word 'habshi' the rough Hindi translation of the English word 'nigger'?
Also, the line 'hiring big black habshi'....stereotype?
It was meant as a metaphor for India-targeting Pakistani terrorists being hit by somebody, who may strike terror even in their hearts. In context of the above 'rape' analogy, the stereotype used is generally perceived to be an effective one. It was also meant to be a parody on stereotyping itself! Cheers!
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Pakistan among top 10 failed states
Pakistan, plagued by insurgency and the worst-ever economic crisis, has been named among the "top 10 failed states" by the U.S.-based Foreign Policy magazine.

Pakistan, bracketed along with countries like Somalia, Afghanistan and Sudan, has improved its position only by a notch — it is placed 10th in the index for 2009 published in the July-August issue of the magazine.

Using 12 indicators of state cohesion and performance, compiled through a close examination of more than 30,000 publicly available sources, the journal ranked 177 states in order from most to least at risk of failure.
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Taliban losses are no sure gain for Pakistanis - NYT

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Signs abound that the military’s campaign in Swat is less than decisive.
It was “very disappointing,” said Aftab Ahmed Sherpao, a senior politician {and ex-Interior Minister repeatedly targetted by the Taliban} from the region, that none of the commanders had been eliminated. It turned out, he said, that early reports of the capture of Ibn Amin, a particularly brutal commander from Matta, were incorrect.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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What an idiot-buffoon-jackass. It takes only 20 lines to contradict himself.
As far as Pakistan is concerned it has neither any aggressive designs against any country
I am sure and it ought to be clear in the right thinking Pakistani minds that days of chivalry when one Muslim was good enough for ten adversaries are now over, this is the twenty-first century and with the changed politico strategic environments and advanced and sophisticated weaponry it is not on for us to march on to Lal Qila in New Delhi
But more seriously - it goes to show that Pakistan's sense of weakness wrt India is the only reason for its not having territorial ambition in India. In fact such behavior from Pakistan is good reason for carrying on increasing the differential that India has with Pakistan to a stage when nobody - not even the PakWhore's favorite customers China and the US can only stand and watch as Pakistan is moulded into shape.

And oye - you paklurks on BRF. This is for you. Do I have aggressive intent against Pakistan? You can bet your ass away that I do. This is a language you beggars understand well. It's Pakistani.
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Its been in top 10 list for eons. What will it take to be in top 3?
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The Failed States Index 2008

Pakistan seems to have improved - from 9th to 10th?

Pakis BEAT Burma, NK and BD!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Nepal and SL also make the list
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^^^
Stopping of Unkil's aid will catapult Bakstan to 1. Anyway, with the messiah in charge, I eagerly await the day when Bakstan shall offer aid to Unkil.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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^^^
With the kind of unabashed and unprotected GUBO going on, Bakistan will offer only AIDS to unkil.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Officials: Rocket attack kills 6 Pakistan soldiers
Associated Press Writer= ISLAMABAD (AP) — Intelligence officials say six soldiers have been killed in a rocket attack on an army convoy in northwest Pakistan.

The officials say militants hit the convoy near Datta Khel in North Waziristan. They say some soldiers were also wounded in the attack.

Four intelligence officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to release the information to media.

A purported Taliban spokesman Ahmadullah Ahmadi claimed responsibility for the attack.
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I am wondering if the Pakistani Army has lost more meaningful people that the Taliban.
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shiv wrote:
But more seriously - it goes to show that Pakistan's sense of weakness wrt India is the only reason for its not having territorial ambition in India. In fact such behavior from Pakistan is good reason for carrying on increasing the differential that India has with Pakistan to a stage when nobody - not even the PakWhore's favorite customers China and the US can only stand and watch as Pakistan is moulded into shape.

And oye - you paklurks on BRF. This is for you. Do I have aggressive intent against Pakistan? You can bet your ass away that I do. This is a language you beggars understand well. It's Pakistani.
Shiv saar,

Maybe its coz the chankian bania yindoos are taking a leaf outta the UKstani book. x-posting from the Indian interests thread:
That way of stealing islands, making it sound like you had to take them for the greater good–that was classic Brit strategy. They always made it look like they were forced, against their will, to grab this or that colony. I dunno if y’all ever saw a movie called Erik the Viking, but it has a great scene with John Cleese playing this insane bloodthirsty warlord who orders people tortured to death in this tired, disappointed upper-class voice, and then whines, “It’s the stress that gets you”–all put upon and harrassed, like Attila the Hun meets The Office. That’s a perfect image for the way the Brits booted the Dutch out of Ceylon, tsk-tsking while they stole every shed, cannon and bale of tea on the island.
That is what the cunning yindooze are out to do to boor papistan onlee. Pretend no aggressive designs against TSp and move in for the kill decisively feigning TINA when the time is ripe.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Who's getting the thousand cuts now, I wonder? Isn't it more painful when self-administered? You see we Yindoos don't like to get our hands bloody (we are vegetarian). So we prefer to fight with a shadow sword :twisted: and let you cut yourself...


btw, what a fantastic use of words there doc, "stand and watch as Pakistan is moulded into shape"... - this phrase will be used in the mainstream media soon. Bet on it.

I will be using it freely :)
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Baitullah to get his 72 soon ?
Near Miss: CIA Drone Almost Hits Taliban Chief in Pakistan

A CIA drone strike earlier this week just missed the head of the Taliban in Pakistan, killing at least 65 people at a funeral he attended and damaging his personal car, according to a resident and a Pakistani intelligent agent in the area. The strike's target was Baitullah Mehsud.
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Clashes leave 14 Pakistani soldiers, 18 Taliban dead
Islamabad - At least 14 military and paramilitary troops were killed while 18 Taliban fighters died on Sunday in clashes and air raids in Pakistan's lawless tribal district bordering Afghanistan, officials said.
Three civilians also died in the clashes between the rebels and government forces.
Dozens of fighters ambushed an army convoy near the Datta Khel area of North Waziristan with rocket fire, destroying several vehicles.
An army official at the military's Inter Services Public Relations Department confirmed that 12 soldiers were killed and 10 were injured in the Sunday afternoon ambush.
'Following the attacks, army helicopters targeted the fleeing insurgents, killing 10 of them,' he added.
However, a local intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity said 20 soldiers died and 30 were injured in the terrorist attack. 'The dead and wounded have been evacuated to Peshawar by helicopters.'
A Taliban spokesman, Ahmadullah Ahmadi, accepted responsibility for the raid in a phone call to the German press Agency dpa. 'We will carry out more such actions unless the American drone attacks and aggression from Pakistani military is not stopped,' Ahmadi said.
The attack is the deadliest in North Waziristan since the government started aerial raids in adjoining South Waziristan three weeks ago to soften up targets before launching an all-out offensive there against Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud.
The clashes broke between Sunni and Shiites Muslims last week and had left around 89 people dead and 175 injured.
Shiite tribesmen, who are in the majority in Kurram, are calling for raising local militias, or Lashkars, to block the entry of mostly Sunni militants. They have been challenging the Taliban movement for the last two years.
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Old news with a shocking picture: of a young women disfigured by the taliban

Link
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Video :
Ahmed Rashid: Descent into Chaos
World Affairs Council: Washington DC
Event Date: 04.13.09
**Interesting**
Topic : Pakistani Lobbying Firms
Meray Mutabiq – 27th June 2009 38:59
Riaz Khokhar (Ex-Foreign Secretary) and Shaheen Sehbai in fresh episode of Meray Mutabiq and talked with Dr Shahid Masood.
Duration: 38:59
Added: June 27, 2009
Charlie Wilson was payed 30,000$ per month to lobby.
Currently Pakistan has 9 firms vs. Indias 5..
Tags : Robin Raphael, Pakistani Lobbying Firms, Pakistani Lobbyists, F-16

Council on Pakistan Relations(Michigan) - Cassidy Associates (Ex-Robin Raphael)
Pakistan American Business Association - Non Profit - Tennesse
PPP - ?, ?
PIA - Mark Siegel(Locke Liddell Strategies)
Embassy of Pakistan- Mark Siegel(Locke Liddell Strategies- Locke Lord Bissell & Liddell ) , Ogilvy, Mozell??
Islamic Republic Of Pakistan - Team Eagle/Team Barakat (Houston - Texas) , White and Keff??
Information Ministry of Pakistan - Asia Tech(Pakistan)


Lobbyist/Clients Search Database (OpenSecrets.org)
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JE Menon wrote:Who's getting the thousand cuts now, I wonder? Isn't it more painful when self-administered? You see we Yindoos don't like to get our hands bloody (we are vegetarian). So we prefer to fight with a shadow sword :twisted: and let you cut yourself...


btw, what a fantastic use of words there doc, "stand and watch as Pakistan is moulded into shape"... - this phrase will be used in the mainstream media soon. Bet on it.

I will be using it freely :)


Bhut jolokia, the hottest chilli in the world, could become the army’s latest weapon with multiple uses.

They can be used in non-lethal hand grenades, as a food supplement or to drive away elephants.

The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) is working on the various uses of bhut jolokia.

Used as a food supplement, the world’s hottest chilli could help soldiers weather the high-altitude chill.
We are now eagerly awaiting for DRDO to undertake trials of bhut jolokia suppository administration as preferred delivery mechanism for the rectally challenged pakis, for that nice warm all round glow.

Useful while counting those thousand self inflicted cuts
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Indian police are already famous for the flaming anal treatment with chilli powder, don't give them ideas.

Our Pakistani friends can report further on this as they explore India's nether regions. :rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Fake encounter of Baitullah Mehsud’s associates in Karachi?
KARACHI: Three of the five alleged associates of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Baitullah Mehsud, who were gunned down in an encounter with the police late on Friday night at Sohrab Goth, have been identified by their NICs.
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Interestingly, a heavy contingent of law enforcers participated in the operation but not a single police personnel sustained injuries and were able to gun down five people, who are believed to be the most trained militants, possessing the most sophisticated and lethal arms.
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The locals claim that the persons gunned down by the police were brought there from somewhere else and killed mercilessly, as the two-room compound declared as the hideout of Baitullah Mehsud’s associates actually remains in use of four watchmen who guard the land of Bantwa Memon Housing Society in two shifts.
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No bullet shells were found on the ground and the walls of the mosque also showed no signs of a shoot-out, which showed that it was a one-sided encounter in which only the persons killed were fired upon by the police.
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Rohit_K wrote:Fake encounter of Baitullah Mehsud’s associates in Karachi?
KARACHI: Three of the five alleged associates of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Baitullah Mehsud, who were gunned down in an encounter with the police late on Friday night at Sohrab Goth, have been identified by their NICs.
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Interestingly, a heavy contingent of law enforcers participated in the operation but not a single police personnel sustained injuries and were able to gun down five people, who are believed to be the most trained militants, possessing the most sophisticated and lethal arms.
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The locals claim that the persons gunned down by the police were brought there from somewhere else and killed mercilessly, as the two-room compound declared as the hideout of Baitullah Mehsud’s associates actually remains in use of four watchmen who guard the land of Bantwa Memon Housing Society in two shifts.
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No bullet shells were found on the ground and the walls of the mosque also showed no signs of a shoot-out, which showed that it was a one-sided encounter in which only the persons killed were fired upon by the police.


And Rohit_K, this pains you how?

We should be encouraging of such cultural activities, no?
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Also possible that the three actual "associates" have been secured safely in "safe areas" and perhaps even now having chai with Mehsood. The encounter could be fake in more ways than one. This absolves the TSPA of having to liquidate these associates and their activities could now be passed on to non0state and non-corporeal actors.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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chetak wrote:And Rohit_K, this pains you how?

We should be encouraging of such cultural activities, no?
Pain..huh? what? When did I indicate that?

I support all sorts of cultural activities that involves the cretins killing their own. This incident would definitely fuel the Pashtun's ire and we should inshallah soon see another May 12.
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3 less swines!! :evil:
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X-posting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5661 ... pened.html
It is astonishingly clear from these calls that the terrorist leaders, said to be in Pakistan, knew every move the police were making as the hostage crisis unfolded. Here's one exchange we translated from the tape:

(Terrorist in Nariman House) "Is there anyone in our building?"

(Terrorist controller) "Look at the terrace at the back – the police are there. There's a building under construction, they're on top of that building and there's a lot of police on the main road. You know the Merchant House? They're sitting behind the protruding rear wall and firing shells. You talk to them and God willing they'll leave."

In other disturbing telephone calls which Newsnight will broadcast the terrorist leader cynically consoles the Rabbi's wife suggesting she will live to celebrate the Sabbath if she cooperates by passing on demands to the Israeli consulate. Hours later he gave the order for their murder.

So how did the leaders know the police positions in such detail? Mumbai police say the they were watching live TV in Pakistan. But these instructions seem remarkably precise for that. I know the kind of live-shots used in these situations and they would be unlikely to yield that kind of detail. It is far more likely that they had spotters on the ground who were feeding back information to their leaders about the police movements. If this is true then it means a Lashkar e-Taiba cell in Mumbai which played a crucial role in the attacks which is still undiscovered.
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Partition weakened Muslims: MQM Chief Altaf Hussain
MQM chief Altaf Hussain said on Sunday that the partition of the Subcontinent in 1947 weakened the Muslims as it divided their power. In an interview with Najam Sethi on Dunya News, Altaf said the partition harmed the Muslims, as a result of the formation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and divided their power into three parts. He said there would have been no partition had the Congress accepted the Quaid-e-Azam’s 14 points. He said few people knew that even Allama Iqbal had not demanded the establishment of Pakistan in his famous Allahabad address in 1930. “He had in fact demanded the creation of Muslim states in the Muslim majority areas,” he said, adding that Iqbal son Justice (r) Javed Iqbal could confirm this.
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This from a person who lives in a 100% Muslim country that is gone to the dogs?
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SSridhar wrote:Partition weakened Muslims: MQM Chief Altaf Hussain
MQM chief Altaf Hussain said on Sunday that the partition of the Subcontinent in 1947 weakened the Muslims as it divided their power. In an interview with Najam Sethi on Dunya News, Altaf said the partition harmed the Muslims, as a result of the formation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and divided their power into three parts. He said there would have been no partition had the Congress accepted the Quaid-e-Azam’s 14 points. He said few people knew that even Allama Iqbal had not demanded the establishment of Pakistan in his famous Allahabad address in 1930. “He had in fact demanded the creation of Muslim states in the Muslim majority areas,” he said, adding that Iqbal son Justice (r) Javed Iqbal could confirm this.
Yeah right :roll: ...... it is always India's fault. No point in ruing partition.
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20 troops die as convoy comes under attack in NWA; 12 militants, two soldiers perish in SWA
PESHAWAR/MIRAMSHAH/WANA: Twenty-two soldiers were killed and thirty-five others injured in two separate attacks by militants in North and South Waziristan agencies on Sunday. Also a same number of militants were killed in the day-long blitz and retaliatory attacks by security forces in the restive region.

20 Pakistan Army soldiers, including a senior officer, were killed and 35 others sustained injuries, several of them seriously, when dozens of militants, affiliated with Taliban commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur, ambushed a military convoy { the so called good Taliban } :wink: in Madakhel area of North Waziristan Agency on Sunday.

Also, 12 militants and two soldiers were killed in the ongoing offensive in neighbouring South Waziristan Agency.Ahmadullah Ahmadi, a spokesman for the Hafiz Gul Bahadur-led Taliban in North Waziristan claimed responsibility for the attack on the military convoy and warned to continue similar attacks on the security forces in the region till the US drone strikes were not stopped.

Ahmadi phoned The News from Miramshah and claimed 60 soldiers were killed and 15 vehicles were destroyed in the ambush.Pakistan Army spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas confirmed the attack and said 12 soldiers were martyred and 10 others seriously injured.
After the attack, the militants reportedly took away weapons and other items from the slain soldiers.The area is away from main Miramshah town and it took some time when senior military officials came to know about the incident.
Gul Bahadur, who was considered a pro-government Taliban commander after he signed a peace accord with the government on February 17, 2008, has suddenly changed his stance. The tribesmen fear after the attack the government might launch a military operation in North Waziristan.
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Any thoughts what might be going on ?. It seems to me as if someone in the Puki army is actually pro Baitullah ?.

"The military also leveled the Bazaar in Jandola in the district of Tank. More than 700 shops run by the Bhittani tribe were destroyed in the punitive operation. Turkistani Bhittani, a senior member of the tribe and a Taliban commander, has sided with the government against Baitullah."
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... Jmf973Lz&C
And from Orbat "Normally this is done when a tribe has given offense and failed to discipline its own, though these days no one can say what's right and what's wrong in NWFP. What baffled us is Mr. Roggio says the Bhittai Taliban are government allies in the fight against the Mesud.
We asked Mr. Roggio his opinion of what's going on, and he is as baffled why Pakistan Government would inflict so severe a punishment on an ally. Given the way retail businesses work in South Asia, and given Pakistan's joint family system, 10, 20, or even 30 people could depend on a single business, and this is going to financially ruin thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people - who will no longer be allies of the government. Mr. Roggio said it made no sense. It could either be the Government is being stupid, and that it is all the time, or someone is trying to sabotage the Bhittai Taliban - Pakistan Government alliance."
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Altaf Hussein is a slippery character to say the least.
He consistently flip flops between berating Pakistani state and suddenly doing a U turn. Sometimes he sides with India, then suddenly goes to the other camp.

And his speech style is artificial with a capital 'A'. Is he too unreliable or what.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Pukis prefer to be called Paki, :eek: eg see the name of their business website

eg. see this website http://www.paki.biz/dir/pakistan-engineering
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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First the pakis fudged the GDP numbers.

Now, it turns out, they even fudged the inflation numbers..and even with all the fudging, the inflation is still at 20%+

Govt concealing actual inflation figures

ISLAMABAD: The government has delayed for at least one year a revision in consumption patterns for measurement of inflation that has helped it to conceal actual inflationary pressures.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Guddu wrote:Any thoughts what might be going on ?. It seems to me as if someone in the Puki army is actually pro Baitullah ?.

"The military also leveled the Bazaar in Jandola in the district of Tank. More than 700 shops run by the Bhittani tribe were destroyed in the punitive operation. Turkistani Bhittani, a senior member of the tribe and a Taliban commander, has sided with the government against Baitullah."
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... Jmf973Lz&C
And from Orbat "Normally this is done when a tribe has given offense and failed to discipline its own, though these days no one can say what's right and what's wrong in NWFP. What baffled us is Mr. Roggio says the Bhittai Taliban are government allies in the fight against the Mesud.
We asked Mr. Roggio his opinion of what's going on, and he is as baffled why Pakistan Government would inflict so severe a punishment on an ally. Given the way retail businesses work in South Asia, and given Pakistan's joint family system, 10, 20, or even 30 people could depend on a single business, and this is going to financially ruin thousands, if not tens of thousands, of people - who will no longer be allies of the government. Mr. Roggio said it made no sense. It could either be the Government is being stupid, and that it is all the time, or someone is trying to sabotage the Bhittai Taliban - Pakistan Government alliance."
Elements of the military are clearly fighting for the 'Taliban' Taliban.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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for my limited mental capacity, bakistan is getting too complex to understand.

its no longer a real country as in a cohesive security and political establishment...'coalitions' of all hues are pursueing own agendas with terms changing on a weekly basis.

even if GOI wants to have chai biskoot, it wouldnt know who will be in charge and can get things done. I suspect Unkil doesnt have a clue either and is just hamming along trying to bribe all factions with fake dallah notes...no long term strategy...just short term tactical alliances with whoever will play ball.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

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Singha wrote:for my limited mental capacity, bakistan is getting too complex to understand.

its no longer a real country as in a cohesive security and political establishment...'coaliations' of all hues are pursueing own agendas with terms changing on a weekly basis.

even if GOI wants to have chai biskoot, it wouldnt know who will be in charge and can get things done. I suspect Unkil doesnt have a clue either and is just hamming along trying to bribe all factions with fake dallah notes.


IMHO the GOI cannot deal directly with the porki army general or isi whacko or who ever.
We have to deal only with the jokers that the porki jokers have elected.We may not always understand or appreciate their electoral logic.

Everyone there is more than capable of sliming out of any agreement that GOI may independently reach with them with disparate factions all claiming that they are the real McCoy and each fiercely denouncing all others.

In the end you have only exposed your hand and gained nothing in return while the porkis have racked up their minimalist position three notches higher and taken a entirely new stand to your detriment.

The next porki lot will do the same after reneging on the previous porki lot. Like munda musharraf tried to do with bhutto's agreements.

In all the confusion, what is the tearing hurry to deal with them?
Why are they panicking and so eagerly petitioning for talks?
Their arguments hold no water ( pun intended ), and indus water is definitely tied up in their panic.

What is gilani or zardari's longevity? or even legitimacy?

kiyani may well be presented with a crate of mangoes.

Wait and watch instead of the NSA and Foreign Sec shooting off their mouths and the Army Chief claiming that infiltration has come down. Everyone should just shut up and simply let the MEA spokesman deal with the press.

Take a solid minimalist stand from where you can possibly negotiate upwards and give the substantial international impression that you are agreeable and genuinely wish to solve the problem.

India does not have to and should not respond to every outpouring of verbal diarrhea from the porkis.
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