Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 8, 2011

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 10 May 2011 15:33

@Manish Jain ^^^: Well, we've always accused the US of trying to sell us arms and using the proceeds to subsidize gifts to Pakistan. Now, we ourselves are going to subsidize the pakis by choking off our exports to the EU (some E 6.1 billiion in 2007) according to this:

http://www.slideshare.net/shrayjali/ind ... ns-with-eu

Meanwhile, we'll blow $10-15 billion on the EF or Rafale.

Truly chankian thinking wot?

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 May 2011 16:31

The sources explained that the PM’s acceptance of Gilani’s request was in accordance with his own vision of promoting economics to resolve political problems across South Asia. Especially with Pakistan, where the relationship was wound up in real and perceived hurt and humiliation, the business of making money on both sides would significantly help ease matters, the PM felt.

I give up trying to think up Chankian moves for each of MMS's moves on Pak.

Heading to the nearest wall to bang my head ( maybe that might ignite the Chankian thoughts)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 May 2011 16:40

KLNMurthy wrote: Jugnu Mohsin is a she I believe. Used to be a popular visitor to Indian universities etc. She forgot to shed her tears for the oppressed people of Kashmir only.

I am told that just five years ago she wrote (in support of Musharraf, perhaps) that Pakistan was not ready for democracy. She is also the "enlightened feudal" mentioned in Sunil Sethi's article:
http://pakteahouse.net/2011/02/22/sunil ... i-village/

Her tears for the disenfranchised people of Pakistan are of the crocodile variety only.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2011 16:41

Manish Jain wrote:Even this fig leaf of action may not be present.
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ve/434903/
It all happened in Mohali, on the margins of the India-Pakistan cricket semi-final on March 30, when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met his Pakistani counterpart, Yousaf Raza Gilani. And, acceded to the latter’s request that India drop its objections at the World Trade Organization (WTO) to a proposal by the European Union (EU) to give duty-free access to textile exports from Pakistan. . . .The sources explained that the PM’s acceptance of Gilani’s request was in accordance with his own vision of promoting economics to resolve political problems across South Asia. Especially with Pakistan, where the relationship was wound up in real and perceived hurt and humiliation, the business of making money on both sides would significantly help ease matters, the PM felt.

This is 'Chanakian' to the core. You have to trust and take my words at face value. It is all moving towards a denouement and soon India will rid itself of the Paki menace. We are grabbing the Pakistanis in our tentacles by making them depend on us. Then there is the MFN coming our way, though under a different name due to Pakistani sensitivities. This gesture should make Pakistan see its folly of not befriending India and will develop a huge constituency friendly to us forcing the hands of the PA/ISI/Islamists. First Petroleum products export, then electricity export, and now this along with potential explosive (not explosives) export opportunities from India. OTOH, we will only import terror from Pakistan, thereby running up a huge balance of payments in our favour. This will take care of Pakistan, Insh'a Allah.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 May 2011 16:47

Manish Jain wrote:
Even this fig leaf of action may not be present.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... ve/434903/

It all happened in Mohali, on the margins of the India-Pakistan cricket semi-final on March 30, when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met his Pakistani counterpart, Yousaf Raza Gilani. And, acceded to the latter’s request that India drop its objections at the World Trade Organization (WTO) to a proposal by the European Union (EU) to give duty-free access to textile exports from Pakistan. India’s objections had stopped the proposal from going ahead.

According to highly placed sources, Gilani asked the PM, also a renowned economist, if India could consider dropping its objections to the EU proposal, even if it was a “trade-distorting measure” as India had claimed.

The sources explained that the PM’s acceptance of Gilani’s request was in accordance with his own vision of promoting economics to resolve political problems across South Asia. Especially with Pakistan, where the relationship was wound up in real and perceived hurt and humiliation, the business of making money on both sides would significantly help ease matters, the PM felt.

Lobbies, like the Confederation of Indian Textiles Industries, soon got into the act. “The EU is appearing to be helping Pakistan, but in reality the bill is being transferred to competing countries that would lose market share,” said D K Nair secretary-general of the textile body.

India also persuaded a handful of other countries to join the argument, including Bangladesh, Peru and Vietnam. Bangladesh, in fact, asked the WTO to compensate it for the losses it would have to bear as a result.....

According to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, after the PM agreed with Gilani that India would drop its veto, it remains unclear whether the commerce ministry officials have translated that political directive into action at the WTO.

But with the commerce ministry talks having been superseded in the last week by the death of Osama bin Laden and concomitant statements by Indian army chief V K Singh — which led to its own sabre-rattling by Pakistan foreign secretary Salman Bashir — analysts fear the political agreement between Manmohan Singh and Gilani may get buried in an unnecessary political noise.

“The PM must rescue his Pakistan policy. He lost one opportunity in the first UPA government, when he and the Musharraf government were all set to resolve the Kashmir crisis, but that has now passed. If he lets bureaucratic and political hardliners hijack his Pakistan policy this time, he may never get a chance again,” the analysts said.

This must be an article pushed by the WKK lobby. No action has yet been taken, this article is pushing for action, lest "hardliners hijack his Pakistan policy". Well, hardliners, do your best!

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 May 2011 16:55

^^ If this( opposing a subsidy to a almost enemy nation because of unfair deal to other smaller nations) is "hardline action", shudder to think what our "soft actions" will be....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2011 17:10

A_Gupta wrote:But with the commerce ministry talks having been superseded in the last week by the death of Osama bin Laden and concomitant statements by Indian army chief V K Singh — which led to its own sabre-rattling by Pakistan foreign secretary Salman Bashir — analysts fear the political agreement between Manmohan Singh and Gilani may get buried in an unnecessary political noise.

But, even before that happened, the Gen. Kayani said at a Youm-e-Shuhda ceremony at the GHQ on April 30, that "nation’s honour and integrity will not be compromised and traded in exchange for prosperity". This came a day or two after the conclusion of the 'successful' trade talks between the Commerce Secretaries of the two countries. The word, 'traded' was in my view deliberately chosen by Gen. Kayani. I interpreted Kayani's words as a warning to Gilani/Zardarie that MFN or similar status should not be given to India. We know the PA has been steadfast in opposing trade (especially after Kayani assumed power as COAS) and we also know that they have stopped any idea of India having a transit trade with Afghanistan through them. The efforts of both Musharraf and Kayani are the same but with differeing approaches. Both want trade to be used as a tool against India. One wanted the oil & gas lines so that Indian economy can be impacted with a flick of a switch and the other wants to throttle trade.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 May 2011 17:12

SSridhar wrote: This is 'Chanakian' to the core. You have to trust and take my words at face value. It is all moving towards a denouement and soon India will rid itself of the Paki menace. We are grabbing the Pakistanis in our tentacles by making them depend on us. Then there is the MFN coming our way, though under a different name due to Pakistani sensitivities. This gesture should make Pakistan see its folly of not befriending India and will develop a huge constituency friendly to us forcing the hands of the PA/ISI/Islamists. First Petroleum products export, then electricity export, and now this along with potential explosive (not explosives) export opportunities from India. OTOH, we will only import terror from Pakistan, thereby running up a huge balance of payments in our favour. This will take care of Pakistan, Insh'a Allah.

SS
I felt proud when India was becoming a IT/ITES superpower but it was their influence which influenced our political elite then not to take action against Pakistan. India will loose exports and loose jobs blah blah..Will we not entangle in this even deeper if "sustenance of business is pivotal for peace" argument? Will our hand be free when we have to strike against them?
Altair

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 10 May 2011 17:19

http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnis ... 72377.html

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is all for continuing the dialogue with Pakistan which is steadfast in refusing to take action against the 26/11 perpetrators. Last Friday in Paris, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao also elegantly articulated India’s current Pakistan policy. Home Minister P Chidambaram, though miffed with our hostile neighbour, had earlier advocated discussion and dialogue. On the other hand, Congress leaders refrain from speaking in public on this policy, privately favouring the suspension of talks.

Many Union ministers and Congress office-bearers have warned the party high command about the negative impact of India’s soft Pakistan policy on the public mood, especially after the Abbottabad raid. Powerful foreign office mandarins influenced by American thinking are ignoring all political feedback; they are determined to push a Keep-Pakistan-Happy policy.

The Ministry of External Affairs has mounted enormous pressure on the Government through opinion-makers, saying any reversal of India’s attitude towards Pakistan at this state would strengthen pro-Taliban elements. The survival of many think-tanks, managed and run by former diplomats and academics operating from India and abroad, depends on Indo-Pak relations. Some are upset with the revival of a pending demand for Pakistan to hand over 25 terrorists, including Dawood Ibrahim.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 10 May 2011 17:22

A_Gupta wrote:
Manish Jain wrote:
This must be an article pushed by the WKK lobby. No action has yet been taken, this article is pushing for action, lest "hardliners hijack his Pakistan policy". Well, hardliners, do your best!

Nothing has happened as this article points out. The matter did not even come up before the commerce secretary level talks as per this report.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 217588.cms

The WTO rules specify that the there must be a wide consensus in the General Council if any country specific exemption on import tariff is to be granted. Assuming that India withdraws its objection it is by no means certain that Peru and Bangladesh would agree to drop their objection. The EU is just pretending to be very generous knowing fully well it may not pass muster with other WTO members. If it really wanted to favour pakistan it could well have tweaked another WTO compliant mechanism of preferential market access called the Generalised Scheme of Preferences which allows countires with limited export opportunities (Pakistan has just a little over 1 per cent of total EU imports from all over the world) and a narrow export basket (again pakistan falls under that category - textiles account for 80 per cent of total Pakistani exports to the EU). EU chose not to go that route. Post Osama there is not much likelihood many sympathetic noises from among the EU members should some one in the EU push for that.
My guess is that the earlier story was a plant. It was designed curry favour with the MMS for the Commerce Minister as a pakistan friendly alternative to the present foreign minister whose days, if roumours are to be believed, could be eased out of the FM portfolio in the next round of reshuffle, whenever that is.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 10 May 2011 17:27

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/world ... &ref=world

Reposting the link to this article again. More than 500 comments (read all of them). Looks like each one was written by a BR guy. The timing is good to write responses for reports like these, and to ask for reduction of Pak forces and ISI by 50%

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2011 17:35

Anantha wrote:. . . and to ask for reduction of Pak forces and ISI by 50%

Anantha, oh no. The 'WKK Peace Brigade' would have none of it. They will put forth umpteen arguments freely sprinkled with phrases like 'a wounded tiger is dangerous' or 'have to be generous in victory' or 'misguided younger brother' etc. as Mrs. Indira Gandhi's advisers wrongly advised her in c. 1972. They will quote several international treaties like the Versailles etc and how it fuelled only more acute problems later. You can't win over them, can you ?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 May 2011 18:47

Gents, the likelihood that MMS "agreed" with Gilani that India "will" drop its veto at the WTO talks is zero. It is pure media spin ...probably intended at forcing the PMO to state it's position on the issue in public.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 May 2011 19:40

Manish Jain wrote: The sources explained that the PM’s acceptance of Gilani’s request was in accordance with his own vision of promoting economics to resolve political problems across South Asia. Especially with Pakistan, where the relationship was wound up in real and perceived hurt and humiliation, the business of making money on both sides would significantly help ease matters, the PM felt.

er - these are not policies that the PM "just accepts" and it gets done are they? Wasn't there a news item in the last few days (long after Mohali) that India ent right ahead and blockd the Paquis?

I would like to point out a style or reporting that I see in the Paki press, based on the way things work in Pakistan. Pakistan has no functioning parliament or cabinet. If the army wants something it gets done. If not it does not get done. his is the style of functioning of a monarchy/Sultan/Raja or oligarchy. In this case I think the link is the Business standard - which has a Paki like report. To my knowledge MMS cannot agree on trade concessions to Pakistan in a cricket match and push it through even if MMS was going to be the next ISI chief of Pakistan. Things do not work that way in India simply because there are enough vested interests all around. I would appreciate being corrected on this specific "trade concession" news

somnath · Post by **somnath** » 10 May 2011 20:17

While it's quite possible for that MMS commitment of India not standing in the way of preferential access concession to Pak is true, it is really much ado about little.

The real "losers" in the bargain isn't going to be india, but guys like Bangladesh. And regardless of india's opposition, they will raise objections. And as the ET article points out, if EU really wanted, they could have done the pakis a favour in other ways as well.

Btw, this is a usual good cop, bad cop routine that is common in diplomacy. So top level conceptual commitments are nixed by ground level actions, and then rescinding the same becomes a point in the give and take.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 May 2011 20:29

Notwithstanding opposition in the WTO the EU is moving forward with its plan to reward the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by getting formalities internal to the EU in place. An EU meeting today decided to progress matters further:

EU: Pakistan trade concessions move a step closer

The WTO itself will have a meeting on the subject on May 26. See this article by PTI datelined today:

'EU's zero duty proposal for Pakistan will damage WTO rules'

The question now is what motivated the EU to go ahead. Knowledge that opposition in the WTO will disappear or is it that they are merely taking a punt that things might work out at the WTO.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 May 2011 20:39

the paquis have played a consistent long game of trying to portray MMS as the reasonable nice man (non hindu) who is trying to do the right thing but is being foiled at every turn by those dastardly dark place dhoti shiverers - so this mohali concession tamasha is just another strawman put out there with the lifafa method

mms was going to give kashmir but...
mms was going to give aman ka tamasha but...
mms was going to give textile concession but...

the list is longer than musharraf's mijjile after extensive paalish

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 May 2011 20:42

For the record India has challenged the EU in the past for granting preferences to amongst others the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and won at the WTO:

INDIA WINS GSP CASE AGAINST EC AT THE WTO

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 May 2011 21:16

For context:- there appears to be a lot of politics around all of this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 44698.html

BRUSSELS—The European Union will take steps Tuesday to eliminate trade concessions for wealthy emerging economies, part of a shift in global trade terms as the EU and U.S. adapt to the rise of Russia, Brazil and other new export powers.

The proposals are more evidence that the EU and U.S. are playing hardball with so-called developing countries, such as China, Brazil and India, which once received generous tariffs and quotas, but are now joining the global economic elite.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 May 2011 21:28

Lalmohan wrote:the paquis have played a consistent long game of trying to portray MMS as the reasonable nice man (non hindu) who is trying to do the right thing but is being foiled at every turn by those dastardly dark place dhoti shiverers - so this mohali concession tamasha is just another strawman put out there with the lifafa method

mms was going to give kashmir but...
mms was going to give aman ka tamasha but...
mms was going to give textile concession but...

the list is longer than musharraf's mijjile after extensive paalish

They did that with Vajpayee as well.

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 May 2011 21:46

Canada’s media seems mighty upset with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Toronto Sun editorial roasts the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Editorial: Pitch Pakistan to the curb

First posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 2:00:00 EDT AM
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Our only concern today about Osama bin Laden sleeping with the fishes is our concern for the fishes themselves.

So it's a given we won't be eating seafood from the Arabia Sea any time soon.

Nor do we believe the bull coming out of Pakistan that authorities had no idea OBL -- as the world's former No. 1 terrorist is now known on Twitter -- was hiding in their midst, and only steps away from its version of the West Point military academy.

It's 100% inconceivable. ……………………..

Pakistan has finally revealed its true colours, and has shown all but the totally naive that its commitment to fight the war on terror is all talk with no walk. ………………

Read it all:

Editorial: Pitch Pakistan to the curb

Likewise a Winnipeg Free Press editorial roasts the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Editorials
Winnipeg Free Press - PRINT EDITION

Pakistan: our false friend

By: Editorial
Posted: 05/10/2011 1:00 AM …………..

The government of Pakistan, although it pays lip service to the idea that the elimination of bin Laden was a good thing, is furious with the Americans for their unilateral action in taking him out. Pakistani jets were scrambled when news of the SEALs raid leaked out, but they were scrambled too late to do anything about it. Bin Laden was already dead, his body headed for a burial at sea. Pakistan officials have refused to allow Americans to interrogate the survivors of the raid, including three of bin Laden's wives, fearful, perhaps of what they might reveal about Pakistani involvement in the hideaway.

This is a diplomatic dog's breakfast. The NATO forces in Afghanistan need Pakistan's help in controlling Taliban and al-Qaida forces in the wild northwest frontier between those two countries. But the Pakistanis increasingly show they cannot be trusted to commit themselves to this war. They have at least one different agenda or, worse, they have several different agendas. The government of Pakistan is angry and offended by the raid, although it has no real right to be. Western governments involved in Afghanistan need to concentrate their diplomatic efforts now in convincing Pakistan its own future as a secular society depends on its commitment to the war against Islamic extremists in Afghanistan. Until it proves it understands that, it must continue to be treated as the false friend it seems to be.

Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition May 10, 2011 A10

Read it all:

Pakistan: our false friend

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 10 May 2011 21:50

Dear God.

It seems that if Senator John Kerry does not travel to Pakisatan every eight and a half days, to console and dab tears in Isloo, that Pakisatan will then die.

He is the new Charlie Wilson of our times.

Kerry to visit Pakistan as bin Laden tensions grow

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 10 May 2011 22:07

Hey, Attorney General Holder, Why Don't You Investigate Pakistan?
By Kerry Patton

...if Mr. Holder is truly adamant about doing our country any good, maybe he needs to investigate our foreign aid to Pakistan.

Mr. Holder, if you want to do something good for our nation, investigate our foreign aid to Pakistan. You might just find that our own tax payer money has fueled the enemy whom we fight abroad.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2011 22:15

Suspected US Drone Strike Kills 3 in Pakistan

Pakistan intelligence officials say a US drone attack has killed at least three militants in a tribal region along the country's border with Afghanistan.

Officials say the drone fired two missiles at a vehicle in South Waziristan.

The identity of the militants was not immediately known.

Elsewhere in the northwest, a bomb exploded outside a district court in the town of Nowshera Tuesday, killing a police officer and one other person.

Nowshera is located about 35 kilometers east of Peshawar.

Several people were wounded in the blast.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 10 May 2011 22:20

Lalmohan wrote: the list is longer than musharraf's mijjile after extensive paalish

Must be a short list, then.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 May 2011 22:37

jrjrao wrote:Dear God.

It seems that if Senator John Kerry does not travel to Pakisatan every eight and a half days, to console and dab tears in Isloo, that Pakisatan will then die.

He is the new Charlie Wilson of our times.

Kerry to visit Pakistan as bin Laden tensions grow

He was first in going after IG during the 1980s.
Sen Kerry has been the new Charlie Wilson from 1993 onward during the Clinton Adminstration.
During the 2001-2008 he was the liaison for all the Muslims groups in the sub continent including the APHC rats.
After 2009 he was the one who built the huge package for reforming Pakistan if Pakistan shows that it is a democracy. This slow reforming the renegade child is faltering and it may blow up soon.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 10 May 2011 22:43

One person killed in Peshawar blast

Khyber Agency journalist Nasrullah Afridi has been identified as the victim, according to initial reports.

Farooq said that site of the blast is located in a posh residential area with Army flats located a mere 200 yards from the blast site.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 10 May 2011 23:31

X posting from the PoK thread;

Sushupti wrote:‘India should reserve IIT, IIM seats for Pakistani Kashmiris’

This is a smart move that a lot of countries do when they want to make their claims about people, not just territory.

Syria for example disputed Turkey's receipt of the Hatay strip during the French Mandate - so Turkish citizens from Hatay are treated as Syrian citizens when it comes to educational rights. I know of many who took advantage of that to get a good, and essentially free medical education in Damascus.

Another move is to issue passports to people from those areas. That is what Romania has done with Moldovans, and Russia does in Ukrainian Crimea.

Of course since this is Pakistan it would take a certain amount of security vetting to prevent infiltration, but its potentially a way to turn unhappy and unwilling Pakistanis in to enthusiastic Indians.

pran · Post by **pran** » 10 May 2011 23:49

TOI reporting that there is armed forces movement on the Indian side and some kind of alert was issues. The reason being cited is change of formations across the border and perhaps the recent exercises have some of these inputs factored into it.

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 10 May 2011 23:57

something is serious guys....My pakistani colleagues chattering in my office just that 2 of uncle's F-18s have been downed over pakistan.Any news regarding this? coz i cant find anything over internet.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 11 May 2011 00:03

If pakis ever downed F-18..They are looking at stone age & how world looked in 7th century pretty soon...

ajit_tr · Post by **ajit_tr** » 11 May 2011 00:12

I'm too searching but nothing of sort they said someone tweeted but unable to find the tweets too.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 11 May 2011 00:48

They were not F-18s, they were the syooper dyooper F22s which were downed by RPG wielding Taliban hanging on to the wings of JF-17 Bandars

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 11 May 2011 00:49

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42975421/ns ... bin_laden/
US blasts Pakistani spy 'games'
America reportedly toughening response to leak of intelligence agents' names

Pakistani spy "games" are hurting relations with the United States, which is toughening its response to the second outing of an intelligence agent in five months, an official told NBC News on Tuesday. "There is reason to think this is intentional — and it is unacceptable," the official said.

U.S. officials plan to make their objections known, the official told NBC News.

"The U.S. seeks a strong relationship with the Pakistanis, but playing games doesn't help," the official said. "If they spent more time fighting militants on their own soil than framing rhetoric, criticizing the United States, that would be a welcome development."

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 11 May 2011 01:51

Seven suspected Islamists, including an Indian, arrested in Paris

Any of the gurus with inside sources know who this 'indian' is?

PARIS: French police have captured seven suspected Islamist militants, including an Indian, in raids in Paris and its suburbs, officials said on Tuesday, as France tightened security in the wake of the death of Osama bin Laden.

Six suspects were detained on Monday but the main target of the operation, an Indian national who recently arrived from Algeria, was taken on Tuesday, according to officials close to the inquiry.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 11 May 2011 02:04

Resounding slap from Jerusalem Post:
Pakistani chutzpah
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials ... ?id=219997

What is becoming abundantly clear is that Pakistan, a state that like Israel was created in the late 1940s as a result of the disintegration of British colonialism, is, unlike Israel, turning out to be a failure and a danger.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 11 May 2011 02:14

Mahendra wrote:Seven suspected Islamists, including an Indian, arrested in Paris

Any of the gurus with inside sources know who this 'indian' is?

Damn it

Why is France waking up MMS at this time? Don't know how to behave even after getting short listed. We should rename French Mirages to Sekkular Mirages

(like they made Freedom fries from French Fries)

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 11 May 2011 02:43

The Jpost editorial linked above makes the point that I have been thinking about since the bin Laden raid:

Pakistani officials have been slow to respond to a request by US National Security Adviser Thomas E. Donilon to interrogate bin Laden’s three widows, presently in Pakistani custody. Donilon’s repeated references to a huge trove of al-Qaida documents found by US Navy SEALs during the operation seem to imply that the Americans found evidence there implicating senior Pakistani figures, either inside the government or not, who aided bin Laden in his protracted attempt to escape justice. And bin Laden’s widows’ testimonies, together with the documents, could be needed to make a conclusive conviction.

Donilon has said this repeatedly, going so far as to say that what they found in bin Laden's house would "fill a small college library".

Clearly, the SEALS did not have that much time to scoop up a small college library with their bare hands in the 30 or so minutes they had to scour the place after securing it, nor did their helos have enough room for flying back a such a college library.

Instead, this was clearly meant to tell the Pakis that the US knows way more than what is out in the reported stories.

In fact, recall what Donilon said about this on "60 Minutes". Exact quote is this, as Donilon speaks to Christiane Amanpour:

“As I sit here with you, I don’t have any information that would indicate foreknowledge by the political military or intelligence leadership in Pakistan,"...

What Donilon is saying here is that as he sits there in that CBS studio in front of the CBS camera, he does not have the Paki info right there in his back pocket. His pockets were empty of Paki perfidy papers, because he just left them on his desk back in the office.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 11 May 2011 02:51

Jr you do not have to interpret the statement literally like a mulla reading the peaceful book. A simple pdf of 100kb can contain 200 pages of information (enough to fill a book) so imgine a harddrive of 1TB can contain enough text and data to fill up a university library

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 11 May 2011 04:00

An American, on another forum, described talking to Pak like this-

'talking to their "leaders" is like having a meeting to discuss a high school's budget by talking to the class president.'

Which IMO is a perfect analogy.