Indian Army: News & Discussion

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 Aug 2011 15:57

A dear junior from old days got COAS Commendation Card for rescuing two IAF pilots when their chopper went down in Siachen last year. Both the pilots made out safely.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 24 Aug 2011 16:06

My wishes to your friend, sir.
Also sent you a e chithi.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Aug 2011 16:22

video of a terrorist who got trapped under debris of house after a gunfight. army asks if he is pakistani , he swears not pakistani and "didnt do anything" , but after attempting to pull him out , they pump a few rounds into him
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... /208736?hp

it was later said he was a paki JEM type.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 24 Aug 2011 16:39

Dunno where to post

Lieutenant, did you die in vain?

As your parents head into the evening of their life, memories of your valour will be their most precious possession. When ever your mother will think of you her eyes will mist over but there will be more stars in them than you ever wore on your shoulders.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Aug 2011 16:51

Singha wrote:video of a terrorist who got trapped under debris of house after a gunfight. army asks if he is pakistani , he swears not pakistani and "didnt do anything" , but after attempting to pull him out , they pump a few rounds into him
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... /208736?hp

it was later said he was a paki JEM type.

watching the video it looked like they suspected he was about to detonate a soosai vest - quite a large number of rounds though!

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 24 Aug 2011 17:00

Singha wrote:video of a terrorist who got trapped under debris of house after a gunfight. army asks if he is pakistani , he swears not pakistani and "didnt do anything", ~~but after~~ {while} attempting to pull him out {one of the soldiers positively identifies him as a militant "wohi dadi wala"/"that bearded one", then} they pump a few rounds into him
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... /208736?hp
it was later said he was a paki JEM type.

Fixed.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 24 Aug 2011 17:07

ParGha wrote:
Singha wrote:video of a terrorist who got trapped under debris of house after a gunfight. army asks if he is pakistani , he swears not pakistani and "didnt do anything", ~~but after~~ {while} attempting to pull him out {one of the soldiers positively identifies him as a militant "wohi dadi wala"/"that bearded one", then} they pump a few rounds into him
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... /208736?hp
it was later said he was a paki JEM type.
Fixed.

Some one send a note to NDTV that you only need one hand (that is hidden in the rubble) to wield a pistol, and you don't even need a hand to pull a grenade-pin. Booby-Trapping dead/injured soldiers with grenades is as old as the first invention of grenades. The soldiers took a big risk in first trying to identify him, even attempting to rescue him. Many other units would have probed the rubble with a 15-20' pole and shot anything that they suspected of being alive, just as Standard Operating Procedures. Heck, it is done with even wild-boars (and in old days with tigers and leopards) suspected of playing possum -- and those animals don't explode.

Like it was rightly reported, how do the people take to the streets when the IA is involved, but when a terrorist kills someone, nary a whimper?
In this particular case, I am surprised that the IA chaps bothered to try even, and shot him at the hint of danger.
We should encourage Martyrdom for these terrorists. Because as their own doctrine says its either their sharia or their martyrdom.
After all a good terrorist is a martyred terrorist!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Aug 2011 17:32

ParGha wrote:
Singha wrote:video of a terrorist who got trapped under debris of house after a gunfight. army asks if he is pakistani , he swears not pakistani and "didnt do anything", ~~but after~~ {while} attempting to pull him out {one of the soldiers positively identifies him as a militant "wohi dadi wala"/"that bearded one", then} they pump a few rounds into him
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... /208736?hp
it was later said he was a paki JEM type.
Fixed.

Some one send a note to NDTV that you only need one hand (that is hidden in the rubble) to wield a pistol, and you don't even need a hand to pull a grenade-pin. Booby-Trapping dead/injured soldiers with grenades is as old as the first invention of grenades. The soldiers took a big risk in first trying to identify him, even attempting to rescue him. Many other units would have probed the rubble with a 15-20' pole and shot anything that they suspected of being alive, just as Standard Operating Procedures. Heck, it is done with even wild-boars (and in old days with tigers and leopards) suspected of playing possum -- and those animals don't explode.

You think they don't know, it just suits them tarnish the image of the Army.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 24 Aug 2011 17:50

X-Post from CT & COIN thread.

A very interesting link on the recent encounter of the trapped militant.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/jammu-and ... 27511.html

Defence spokesman Lt Colonel J S Brar said Ehsan Bhai was a "foreign terrorist who was trying to inflict casualties on security forces even in that (trapped) state".

"He had a grenade in his hand and tried to carry out a 'fidayeen' type of attack on security forces," Col Brar said adding "he was killed in retaliatory action".

To be honest, even if the militant was devoid of any explosive, my joy at the pig achieving his 72 wouldn't have been any less. But the fact remains that the official statement of IA did mention that the pig was carrying a grenade.

So, I find this link highly interesting that nearly every news outlet seems to have conveniently left out this official statement from their respective reports. Among all the links that I have gone through, this is the only link that I came across which carried this Official statement. It just shows how far the media has fallen. It is saddening to see how low can media go just for the sake of achieving a more controversial article.

Brando · Post by **Brando** » 24 Aug 2011 18:43

Indian troops complete joint exercises on Salisbury Plain (VIDEO included)

Soldiers from the Indian Army’s 3rd Bihar Regiment have carried out a counter insurgency operation exercise on Salisbury Plain.

It was the final day of four weeks of training alongside British troops from 19 Light Brigade in the bilateral military Exercise Ajeya Warrior.

The 100 Indian Infantry soldiers arrived at the objective in two Warriors and four Chinooks and started to fan out. They were watched from nearby high ground by their commanding officer, Colonel Gahan Deep Singh and two senior officers, Major General Sunil Jha from the Indian Army’s South West Command and Brigadier Sarb Jit Singh Deusi, commander of 83rd Infantry Brigade.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Aug 2011 19:04

Gaur wrote:X-Post from CT & COIN thread.

A very interesting link on the recent encounter of the trapped militant.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/jammu-and ... 27511.html
Defence spokesman Lt Colonel J S Brar said Ehsan Bhai was a "foreign terrorist who was trying to inflict casualties on security forces even in that (trapped) state".

"He had a grenade in his hand and tried to carry out a 'fidayeen' type of attack on security forces," Col Brar said adding "he was killed in retaliatory action".
To be honest, even if the militant was devoid of any explosive, my joy at the pig achieving his 72 wouldn't have been any less. But the fact remains that the official statement of IA did mention that the pig was carrying a grenade.

So, I find this link highly interesting that nearly every news outlet seems to have conveniently left out this official statement from their respective reports. Among all the links that I have gone through, this is the only link that I came across which carried this Official statement. It just shows how far the media has fallen. It is saddening to see how low can media go just for the sake of achieving a more controversial article.

A couple of years ago I had commented that some of the so called Liberals actually hide behind the term liberal and our downright anti-national with some of them have powers upto the Top. Many forum members laughed at my non-Indian suggestion of them.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 24 Aug 2011 21:06

Hate for the Army and love for the terrorist. Wah. May be next time, if there is such a situation, the army can ask the Media wallas to go close and take bictures of the terrorists.

Next time surely the Army must ask the NDTV wallah to go in and pull the terrorists out and all the consequences of it will be of that of NDTV and ZeeTV personnel. They will be responsible for anything that happens.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 24 Aug 2011 21:16

Hey you guys noticed that? Watch at 51 to 53 second of the video it shows the terrorist was moving his hand inside the to do something. Either get the gun or pull the pin of the grenade. Good that the jawan pumped bullets just then. Or everyone must have been kaput. Where is that stupid NDTV wallah, who said one hand was in the air waving Paki jhanda.

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 25 Aug 2011 05:47

This could be a clear message too that if a Pakistani terrorist is found operating in Indian Kashmir then they should expect nothing but what happened to this terrorist, if or not he was trying to pull a pin off a Grenade. But if you are a local militant then the outcome could have been different.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Aug 2011 09:57

indeed two can play the psyops game. the army chaps could have seized the cellphone of whichever journo was taking it (in plain sight), but chose to let it go , ndtv added a few spin on it, but the dialogue itself is loud and clear "pakistani hai?" bang bang bang.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 25 Aug 2011 13:31

That act of IA was done in coldest blood. No jingo-giri, dialogue baazi and no celebration later on!

they did their job and then nothing has happened.

Reminds me of those Artillery guys interviewed during and after Kargil war. Totally head over shoulder types.

garytrek · Post by **garytrek** » 25 Aug 2011 13:35

If had captured that Paki -Pig , our governement would be now be negotiating another IC 814 for his release. This is the way we should handle Paki's roaming in India.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Aug 2011 14:17

As usual some are ranting as to why they killed him, what if this and what if that

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Aug 2011 14:28

krishnan wrote:As usual some are ranting as to why they killed him, what if this and what if that

Ranting where, saar?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 25 Aug 2011 14:56

^^On the UNDETV site.
Looks like my reply to a couple of such ranters on their site got Hellphyrred by their moderators..

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Aug 2011 15:08

on the undie TV video link.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 25 Aug 2011 15:23

Like the cool and calm command from the officer...."maardo, maardo, maardo".

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Aug 2011 15:31

it did look like the CO was concerned about a suicide vest or grenade, hence the 'ruko ! ruko !'

however undieTV wants our soldiers to get killed so that they can crow about 'we are both victims of terrorism' from the rooftops. heartless doesn't start to describe these lowlifes.

chandanus · Post by **chandanus** » 25 Aug 2011 15:54

If the dhadhi wala was not naughty.. he could have recived the hospatility of indian army like the other dhadhiwala below !!!!

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/83 ... 29deo.jpg/

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Aug 2011 18:35

Chandanus, don't be surprised if you see that pic sooner or later turn up in a Paki forum with the caption "Indian Officer Surrendering to Fidayeen inspired by Allah Taalah" or some crap like that...

negi · Post by **negi** » 25 Aug 2011 19:04

The said NDTV journalist should have been booted out of the scene by the IA. Ethics of NDTV and it's journos are worse than that of scoundrels in dingy cybercafes who film couples making love and post it on sleazy po#n sites.

While there is nothing wrong with capturing the video of the encounter there is simply no justification for projecting it as a fake encounter on TV; seriously are these mofos telling us that the dhakkan who captured the video didn't get to talk to the IA and get the complete story ? IA has to take blame for letting these NDTV lowlifes accompany it's boys (specially after what Barkha and her jokers did in Kargil and 26/11). IA should in the future simply refuse these clowns any more easy access.

Sanju · Post by **Sanju** » 25 Aug 2011 19:22

negi wrote:The said NDTV journalist should have been booted out of the scene by the IA. Ethics of NDTV and it's journos are worse than that of scoundrels in dingy cybercafes who film couples making love and post it on sleazy po#n sites.

While there is nothing wrong with capturing the video of the encounter there is simply no justification for projecting it as a fake encounter on TV; seriously are these mofos telling us that the dhakkan who captured the video didn't get to talk to the IA and get the complete story ? IA has to take blame for letting these NDTV lowlifes accompany it's boys (specially after what Barkha and her jokers did in Kargil and 26/11). IA should in the future simply refuse these clowns any more easy access.

Negi, These jokers get the permission from those above the Army hierarchy. The local commanders need to use other means to restrict these jokers from getting videos like these. Best not said in an open forum.

negi · Post by **negi** » 25 Aug 2011 19:50

^Nope on the field CO runs the show as for media wallahs are concerned there are no orders from top as such but mere clearance for covering ops. It's completely upto the CO as to how much liberty and freedom these jokers be given on the field. Take for instance this incident a simple and stern instruction to not allow anyone outside of the team near the shootout scene would have saved all of us this tamasha. Imagine if the name and face of the jawan was captured on the video the poor chap and his family would have been hounded for next few months to up the TRP ratings. The IA needs to realize that in long term these constant potshots at it's competence and integrity are going to be detrimental to it's ability to carryout such ops within the J&K area , as it is there is a lot of pressure to do away with the AFSPA , libelous stuff like this is not going to help things in the valley. Obviously this video must be now being played by Geelanis to rile up the stone pelters . Nice job NDTV.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 25 Aug 2011 20:32

my theory is that these type of journalists need to "build" a resume that they can sell to a phoren news org and what better way than show how in touch they are with "western concerns'.

They have seen the "success" of the pankaj mishras, arundhatis and other assorted rats and are vying for it

narmad · Post by **narmad** » 25 Aug 2011 20:50

Support for Anna shows power of democracy: Army Chief

Stating that the nation was in a "morass", Army Chief General V K Singh has said the support that the anti-corruption movement was getting was an indication of "power of democracy, power of people."
The country, he said, was passing through "an interesting and turbulent period.
"The theme is only one--how do we take the nation forward from the morass that we are in.... It is not who is leading the movement but it is why it has come to this stage," he said.

Very surprising for the Chief to make such a statement. But i am happy :0)

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 25 Aug 2011 21:43

^^^Positive views of a man with great responsibility.Good that he spoke up.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 26 Aug 2011 00:10

narmad wrote:Support for Anna shows power of democracy: Army Chief

As the leader of an organization that prides itself on its apolitical ethos, the good Gen. should have kept his counsel to himself on a matter involving subversion of political process & holding Constitutional propriety hostage. Unfortunate.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 26 Aug 2011 00:48

Hiten wrote: As the leader of an organization that prides itself on its apolitical ethos, the good Gen. should have kept his counsel to himself on a matter involving subversion of political process & holding Constitutional propriety hostage. Unfortunate.

Not at all. The Govt in Power failed to do its part in upholding the Consitution and its laws. Sirjee, It takes 2 to tango and the drama of unequal Pay and also the Chiefs Birth Certificate and Age etc is not lost on the men who wear the uniform. This Govt is the most corrupt in the history of our nation and the Army is sworn to protect the country and its country men and not its corrupt. These men too are citizens of India and have a voice just like the rest of us because neither they nor their families are immune to corruption and its ill effects.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 26 Aug 2011 01:38

BijuShet wrote:
Hiten wrote: As the leader of an organization that prides itself on its apolitical ethos, the good Gen. should have kept his counsel to himself on a matter involving subversion of political process & holding Constitutional propriety hostage. Unfortunate.
Not at all. The Govt in Power failed to do its part in upholding the Consitution and its laws. Sirjee, It takes 2 to tango and the drama of unequal Pay and also the Chiefs Birth Certificate and Age etc is not lost on the men who wear the uniform. This Govt is the most corrupt in the history of our nation and the Army is sworn to protect the country and its country men and not its corrupt. These men too are citizens of India and have a voice just like the rest of us because neither they nor their families are immune to corruption and its ill effects.

I'd humbly beg to differ with you. The Army is to protect the country, as defined by the Constitution of our India. The idea of India, as is currently accepted would cease to exist if one fails to uphold the guidelines laid down in the Constitution in the conduct of the nation. The Constitution of India has bestowed primacy upon the elected representatives of the country, the MPs, who occupy Parliament for a duration of 5 years. The Constitution has no exception clause to this primacy. MPs are supreme no matter what.

While the word shameful would not even begin to describe the shoddy treatment meted out to Defence personals in our country at hands of the political class, it is we, the citizens who cast our votes to elect these politicians, and thus to be held responsible for this ill-treatment. MPs are well within their rights to deny 1-rank-1-pay or fudging the COAS's age - there are no laws being broken. If the citizens feel so strongly about such matter then 2014 would prove so, but I'm afraid people just won't care. If that is the case, then the Armed Forces should continue to ride roughshod at hands of the political class, because that is what people want.

If you feel the political class in India may not be upholding the Constitution, does it permit the Armed Forces to do the same in the name of protecting the country? If that be the case then, the how would ours differ in any manner from that of the pakistanis who resort to the cliche of "protecting pakistan" each time a coup is conducted? The line between civilian & military authority & jurisdiction in India is clearly demarcated & it is vital that they not be crossed. While you, as a citizen have the power to punish an errant politician by voting him out of power after 5 years, how would you punish an Army for any serious violation in the future?

No Sir, the Armed Forces of India has to be answerable to the legitimately & democratically elected government in power that that time, however inept & incompetent it may be. If, hypothetically the lady, through her underling MPs were to order enforcement of AFSPA or some other laws in New Delhi that would entail bringing in the Armed Forces to quell this public disorder, the Army should do it without batting an eyelid. because that is what the Constitution demands

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 26 Aug 2011 02:25

Hiten wrote:The Army is to protect the country, as defined by the Constitution of our India.

If, hypothetically the lady, through her underling MPs were to order enforcement of AFSPA or some other laws in New Delhi that would entail bringing in the Armed Forces to quell this public disorder, the Army should do it without batting an eyelid. because that is what the Constitution demands

Your first sentence quoted above is correct: ther armed forces are there to protect the country.

Your sentence at the bottom should cause you to "reflect deeply":

1) The goings on in the Ramlila ground in Delhi are part of the legitimate democratic process, not "public disorder". I do not see anybody's property or life or the Constitution of India being threatened. Peaceful gathring and protest is one of the most important democratic rights. If Parliament chooses to ignore the demands of the protesters and their leader, then so be it; the public will pass their verdict at election time. The protesters are not calling for the overthrow of the constitution or the government, let's get that 100% clear.

2) The army's eyelids and every other body part should be batting and jerking out of control if asked to deal with the protesters in Ramlila ground. What happens if the protesters refuse to leave? What do you want: another Jallianwala Bagh, another Tiananmen Square? The answer, quite obviously, is NO. So, do not even think about something like this. I can guarantee you, the armed forces of India will NOT accept an order to "quell this public disorder": that is not their job, that is not protecting the country. Man for man, woman for woman, they will hand in their papers or take the Government to court for unconstitutional orders that violate the law.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 26 Aug 2011 02:57

eklavya wrote:
Hiten wrote:The Army is to protect the country, as defined by the Constitution of our India.

If, hypothetically the lady, through her underling MPs were to order enforcement of AFSPA or some other laws in New Delhi that would entail bringing in the Armed Forces to quell this public disorder, the Army should do it without batting an eyelid. because that is what the Constitution demands
Your first sentence quoted above is correct: ther armed forces are there to protect the country.

Your sentence at the bottom should cause you to "reflect deeply":

1) The goings on in the Ramlila ground in Delhi are part of the legitimate democratic process,

What part of the democratic process allows one to hold a legitimately elected democratic government, whatever its competency, to ransom with the threat of ending ones life unless the my-way-or-the-highway bill drafted by an arbitrary group of self-appointed vanguards of Indian consciousness is passed by the symbol of people's representation - the Parliament?

eklavya wrote: not "public disorder". I do not see anybody's property or life or the Constitution of India being threatened. Peaceful gathring and protest is one of the most important democratic rights.

# Metro rails having to be blocked in order to prevent uncontrolled gathering of people at 7 RCR
# Traffic jams being reported due to the heavy unnatural influx of people & their vehicles owing to the fast
# School kids being interviewed outside Tihar Jail at 12 noon on a weekday
# call for Govt employees to take a leave of absence for 1 day stopping all work
The list can be expanded upon - public disorder there definitely is

eklavya wrote: If Parliament chooses to ignore the demands of the protesters and their leader, then so be it; the public will pass their verdict at election time. The protesters are not calling for the overthrow of the constitution or the government, let's get that 100% clear.

Why must the Govt pay heed to any demands made 20,000 odd people who have gathered at the Ramlila maidan to watch the spectacle of a 70+ year old man killing himself bit by bit. Okay let me generous inflate the number by 400% & say a lakh people, that include those school kids i had mentioned earlier demand that a Lokpal is appointed. Please do the maths and tell me how does 1 lakh stack up against the total population of the country.

As for overthrowing the govt is concerned, Mr. Hazare is on record with his statement,

Sarkaar girti hai to gir jane do. Koi farak nahi padta

Equally inciteful statements have been attributed to others in team Anna

eklavya wrote: 2) The army's eyelids and every other body part should be batting and jerking out of control if asked to deal with the protesters in Ramlila ground. What happens if the protesters refuse to leave? What do you want: another Jallianwala Bagh, another Tiananmen Square?

Please don't get all melodramatic - serves no purpose. Crowd/Riot control is an art amply aided by science. Unless attacked with anticipated possibility of own death, no death need take place

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 26 Aug 2011 03:27

Hiten wrote:What part of the democratic process allows one to hold a legitimately elected democratic government, whatever its competency, to ransom with the threat of ending ones life unless the my-way-or-the-highway bill drafted by an arbitrary group of self-appointed vanguards of Indian consciousness is passed by the symbol of people's representation - the Parliament?

Like I said, the government is entirely within its rights to ignore Anna Hazare. But Anna Hazare has every right to protest, and I fully support the right to protest.

Hiten wrote:# Metro rails having to be blocked in order to prevent uncontrolled gathering of people at 7 RCR

OK. This is a Police issue, not an AFSPA type of issue

Hiten wrote:# Traffic jams being reported due to the heavy unnatural influx of people & their vehicles owing to the fast

Traffic jams in Delhi are not a threat to national security.

Hiten wrote:# School kids being interviewed outside Tihar Jail at 12 noon on a weekday

Not a national security issue

Hiten wrote:# call for Govt employees to take a leave of absence for 1 day stopping all work

Will anyone notice if the Government doesn't work for 1 day?

Is this the first time you have heard of the term "general strike". Again, not a national security issue.

Hiten wrote:Why must the Govt pay heed to any demands made 20,000 odd people who have gathered at the Ramlila maidan to watch the spectacle of a 70+ year old man killing himself bit by bit.

Where did I say the Govt should pay heed?

Hiten wrote: As for overthrowing the govt is concerned, Mr. Hazare is on record with his statement,
Sarkaar girti hai to gir jane do. Koi farak nahi padta
Equally inciteful statements have been attributed to others in team Anna

In this context, "sarkaar girti hai" means the prospect (however remote) of the UPA Government losing its majority in the Lok Sabha. There is nothing inciteful here; perhaps wishful, but not inciteful. By "overthrowing the government", I mean challenging the legitimate authority of the State, and that is not what is happening here. Anna Hazare is not calling to derecognize the Government of India; he is calling (even if in a flawed way) for the people who work for the Government of India to be held accountable.

Hiten wrote:Please don't get all melodramatic - serves no purpose. Crowd/Riot control is an art amply aided by science. Unless attacked with anticipated possibility of own death, no death need take place

The Indian Army is not trained in the "art amply aided by science" of Hiten-style Crowd/Riot control, although it does sound like a wonderful system

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 26 Aug 2011 03:57

chetak wrote:Received by email.

Indian Army and Independence

Lt Gen SK Sinha

The minority population of India was about 12% in 1947. Today, the combined minority population in an undivided India would have been over 40%. Petrol funded Islamist forces that have now emerged in the world would have swamped India. India as we know it today would not have existed. Patel’s acceptance of a moth eaten Pakistan and getting the Congress to accept it, was a great achievement. This was almost at par with his universally hailed achievement of integrating the Princely States with the Indian Union.

The first vivisection of India had taken place in the beginning of the second millennium. Although the Arabs had conquered Sindh in 712 A D, they had remained confined to the deserts of Sindh for three centuries and subsequently Sindh had not broken away from India. The Hindu Shahi dynasty ruled over Afghanistan with their capital at Kabul. They guarded the country’s North West Frontier. Starting from 999 A D, they succumbed to the invasions of the great conqueror and plunderer, Mahmud Gazni. India was exposed for the first time to the ferocity of religious fundamentalism. Soon, Afghanistan ceased to be a part of India. That was our country’s first vivisection.

The second took place in 1947 again on account of religious fundamentalism. Sardar Patel ensured that the 80% residual India was fully integrated and became a strong nation. Despite that part of the country which broke away becoming a theocracy and carrying out instant ethnic cleansing in the West and gradual in the East, Nehru and Patel ensured that India retained her secular values.

In August 1947 the residual Muslim League in India adopted a resolution reviving itself. Surprisingly, undeterred with all that had happened leading to Partition, its representatives in the Constituent Assembly, demanded reservation for Muslims and also separate electorate. Muslim members of the Assembly other than the few of the Muslim League, did not support this demand. It got rejected by an overwhelming majority. Speaking on this issue the Sardar stated, “I know they have a mandate from the Muslim League to move this amendment. I feel sorry for them. This is not a place for acting on madness. This is a place today to act on your conscience and to act for the good of the country. For a community to think that its interests are different from that of the country in which it lives, is a great mistake”.

Unfortunately the successors of Sardar Patel in his party have shown lack of vision. For the sake of garnering Muslim votes, they have been following the policy of appeasement and are prepared in that process to sacrifice national interest.

B K Nehru, an eminent member of the dynasty, in his autobiography, Nice Guys Finish Second, wrote that the old guard in the Congress considered national interests supreme but the new generation feels otherwise, giving priority to party interests.

The Congress practicing secularism selectively has been giving an impetus to communalism. It treats Muslim League as a secular party and welcomes it as an alliance partner in the Government, both at the Centre and in Kerala. It treats the BJP as untouchable and wants to have nothing to do with it, even when BJP has Muslim members but Muslim League does not have a single non-Muslim member.

It has been facilitating the illegal migration of Bangladeshi Muslims to build its vote bank. A Congress Prime Minister declares that Muslims must have the first call on the Nation’s resources. It has been decided to set up four new Muslim Universities like the Aligarh Muslim University, which had been the nursery for Pakistan. Several other such instances can be quoted. If we continue like this, the day is not far when we will have to put up with a third vivisection of the country.

Bolded part is a rare nugget not often seen.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 26 Aug 2011 05:49

High costs stall Army's plans on China border

NEW DELHI: The massive military modernization along the China border, including the setting up of the country's first Mountain Strike Corps, has run into a new hurdle with the government raising questions about the high capital expenditure involved in it.

Sources said the defence ministry has returned the Army proposal to set up the strike corps, and two independent brigades along the China border. The MoD has raised detailed queries about the high capital costs projected by Army headquarters. The Army has projected an expenditure of over Rs 12,000 crore for the entire proposal, which is part of New Delhi's efforts to catch up with China which has steadily built up outstanding military capabilities and infrastructure along the disputed Sino-Indian border.

!!!!!

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 26 Aug 2011 06:36

MMS refuses to accept MP's memorandum on VKS age controversy

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Thursday refused to accept a memorandum from a group of MPs, including Kirti Azad (BJP), Ratna Singh ( Congress) and Jayant Chaudhry (RLD), who wanted his intervention in the controversy regarding Army chief General V K Singh's date of birth. The PM told the delegation, who wanted the government to re-examine the defence ministry's decision on Gen Singh's age, that the Army was "a professional organization'' and politicians should not get involved in the affairs of the force, said officials.