Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 19 Jan 2013 21:29

Vipul wrote:LoC incidents won't affect peace process between India, Pakistan: Salman Khurshid.

So we have the ultimate Dhimmis desperately latching on to a fig leaf of a statement about peace from shitistanis while refusing to see the proof of its real intent in the mutilated and headless bodies of Indian Jawans. They will do anything to shirk responsibility and to own up to its citizenry. What ultimate pathetic Namards. Aack Thoo.

Long term vs short term interests. Khurshid's comments are just meant to keep US happy - hence why MMS making bluster for the domestic audience.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Jan 2013 22:08

Excellent blog post by Chidanand Rajghatta in ToiLet

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... us-actions

DocJi, this one is for you, he compares, US appeasement of TSP with that of India

The United States is 11,000 km away from Pakistan , but the big question facing next-door India is: what is the threshold for punishment and retaliation when it comes to Pakistan? How many infiltrations, terrorist attacks, and beheadings are too many? And can the Pakistani civilian government’s overtures credibly be treated separately from its military’s credo of ceaseless confrontation with India, which is what keeps it in business? There are no easy answers. Not even in the US.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 19 Jan 2013 22:09

The Al Qaeda group which seized hostages from 10 nations at the remote Algerian gas field in In Aminas Wednesday, Jan. 16, has addressed its first demand to the United States: The release of two American hostages for two high-profile Islamist terrorists jailed in the US: Egyptian Omar Abdel-Rahman, the Blind Sheikh convicted of masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and Pakistani-American neuroscientist Aafia Siddiqui, convicted for trying to kill US troops and FBI agents in Afghanistan in 2009.

Algeria crisis: 'Captors and hostages die in assault'

Algerian troops have ended a siege at a gas facility in the Sahara desert killing 11 Islamist militants after they killed seven hostages, Algerian state news agency APS has said.The hostages were summarily killed as the troops tried to free them, it said.

I am willing to wager there is a Pakistani angle to Abdul Rahman al-Nigeri and his cohorts. Must be investigated.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 19 Jan 2013 22:59

almost all of the senior commanders have done their tour of duty in afghanistan - so have definitely been handled by the ISI at some time

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 19 Jan 2013 23:23

I think if it were made compulsory that all those who want to be in politics have served atleast 5 years in the armed forces (with atleast 2 in the army near the LOC) some of these problems and apathy toward soldiers lives will reduce. Problem is, its someone elses kid/father/brother/husband and has no bearing on these arrogant morons. But then no such law would ever be passed considering, those in parliament are rapists, murderers and looters. Why would they do anything for our country?

3 years of draft would be good - most people will understand what our soldiers have to go through. It should be an honour to serve the nation, not just another job.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jan 2013 23:59

Vipul wrote:LoC incidents won't affect peace process between India, Pakistan: Salman Khurshid.

Welcoming the "positive statements" coming from Pakistan for talks to de-escalate tensions along the border, External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid Friday said the recent incidents won't affect the peace process between the two countries.

"There is a positive content in the statement that has come from Pakistan foreign minister and high commissioner to India. It is welcome and it should be getting an appropriate response from our side," Khurshid told reporters here.
So we have the ultimate Dhimmis desperately latching on to a fig leaf of a statement about peace from shitistanis while refusing to see the proof of its real intent in the mutilated and headless bodies of Indian Jawans. They will do anything to shirk responsibility and to own up to its citizenry. What ultimate pathetic Namards. Aack Thoo.

Khur Shit speaks Khur Shit.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 20 Jan 2013 00:58

Maybe there should be a counter facebook campaign against these people....

Banned by NSD, Pakistani play gets space to perform in capital

The spirit of cultural cooperation between India and Pakistan triumphed on Saturday over the simmering tension along the Indo-Paksitan border when the Lahore-based Ajhoka Theatre staged Kaun Hai Yeh Gustakh, play around the life of Urdu literary icon Saadat Hassan Manto, a day after the National School of Drama refused the troupe permission to stage the play at the 15th Bharatrang Mahotsav citing security concerns.

Kaun Hai Yeh Gustakh and Mantorama by NAPA Theatre were the two plays that were cancelled at the last moment by NSD.

The two-hour play was staged at the Akshara Theatre, a private boutique theatre, next to the Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital in the national capital to a spilling house. The troupe found performance space for the collage on Manto's life after a Facebook campaign movedsupport base countrywide in protest against the gag Thursday morning.

After a day of hectic viral campaign on the social media, a group of cultural activists led by Arvind Gaur of Amrita Theatre, a leading street theatre ensemble in the capital, organised venues, Akshara Theatre followed by a late performance on Jawaharlal Nehru Campus.

Breaking down at the end of the multi-media production, director Maheeda Gauhar said “if the troupe was not given the stage to perform and the actors had to return without staging the play, it would have been a sad day in the history of the theatre company's long association with India”.

Arvind Gaur, founder of Amrita Theatre, said “Ajhoka Theatre had been visiting India since 1989 with socially-relevant productions”.

“Our association goes back a long way,” Gaur said.

“I will return to Pakistan empowered. We don't care about the governments. This is just wonderful solidarity and we will come back with more productions,” Gauhar told IANS.

The director said “practitioners of culture across the border must out an end to curbs by India and Pakistan governments on performances because of political and bilateral compulsions”. “It is the artistes, who are being targeted despite the fact that they talk of peace through their callings,” Gauhar said.

Her sentiments were echoed by an emotional audience, most of them in tears. “If we did not have this show, we would not have been able to hold our heads high... Manto's life reflects the situation in the country. He was persecuted the same way by the establishment for his radical stories,” a member of the audience said at the end of play.
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eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 20 Jan 2013 02:50

SSridhar wrote:Is it not our misfortune that at this moment we have people like Antonio Maino, MMS and Rahul in powerful positions deciding the fate of our country with two of them in unofficial capacity without any responsibility whatsoever ?

The new model of 'governance' preferred and being perfected by the Gandhi family is indeed of exercising power and enjoying its fruits from within the party, abjuring executive responsibility for themselves, while their loyal footmen occupy the seniormost executive positions in government. To gain the trust of the Gandhi family, the footman has to prove himself/herself a political eunuch. Dr. Manmohan Singh fitted the bill perfectly; but alas he is now too old, and clearly overdue retirement. There are several contenders for the post of eunuch-in-chief, but I am increasingly persuaded that the leading candidate for the prime-eunuch is none other than Salman Khurshid. The other contenders still have remnants of political-virility, which is a disqualifying criteria.

Now, it is up to the electorate to decapitate this beast come Elections 2014.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Jan 2013 04:19

shyamd wrote:
Vipul wrote:LoC incidents won't affect peace process between India, Pakistan: Salman Khurshid.

So we have the ultimate Dhimmis desperately latching on to a fig leaf of a statement about peace from shitistanis while refusing to see the proof of its real intent in the mutilated and headless bodies of Indian Jawans. They will do anything to shirk responsibility and to own up to its citizenry. What ultimate pathetic Namards. Aack Thoo.
Long term vs short term interests. Khurshid's comments are just meant to keep US happy - hence why MMS making bluster for the domestic audience.

Theek hain

Sirji, if you know that Khurshit's comments are to keep the US happy, one would imagine,that, with better sources, the US would know that as well, unless you are saying the entire thing is orchestrated by the US with active connivance of the Theek hain+ Maino regime and MMS has been shooting his mouth off to keep BRF happy.
In any case, there doesnt seem to be any evidence that the Theek hain regime is doing anything that is in the long term, or for that matter, short term interests of the country. Yes, they surely are doing things that are in the long and short term interests of the Gulfwaadi Deshatgard supporting regimes

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Jan 2013 05:19

RajeshA wrote:

"There is a positive content in the statement that has come from Pakistan foreign minister and high commissioner to India. It is welcome and it should be getting an appropriate response from our side," Khurshid told reporters here.
Khur Shit speaks Khur Shit.

How apt - KharShit speaks to KhurShit and pi$$ will be uninterrupted. There are phoren daankeys on both sides of the Yellow Sea.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Jan 2013 05:35

eklavya wrote: Now, it is up to the electorate to decapitate this beast come Elections 2014.

Indeed, the combination of Daleets, many so called "lower castes", and Muslims will vote these current eunuchs and RNIs back to power. Mark my word. In a way, I feel like the republicans in the US, at how frustrated they are that blacks, Hispanics etc vote Dems because as Fox news honchos put it, "they want stuff". The analogy is valid only in peripheral terms because in the case of India, one side are Indians with India's best interest at heart, while the other side who pander to those who want stuff have no nationalist bone. TSP knows that, US knows that, and the arrogant WKKS, cowards and other Aman Ki Tamasha advocates know that.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 20 Jan 2013 05:48

Mahendra wrote: Theek hain

Sirji, if you know that Khurshit's comments are to keep the US happy, one would imagine,that, with better sources, the US would know that as well, unless you are saying the entire thing is orchestrated by the US with active connivance of the Theek hain+ Maino regime and MMS has been shooting his mouth off to keep BRF happy.
In any case, there doesnt seem to be any evidence that the Theek hain regime is doing anything that is in the long term, or for that matter, short term interests of the country. Yes, they surely are doing things that are in the long and short term interests of the Gulfwaadi Deshatgard supporting regimes

with your intelligence surely you would understand the same game we have been playing for the last few decades

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 20 Jan 2013 05:56

Setting aside condescension and the need to be patronizing as some of our esteemed BRF members find amusing, the bottom line is that the Indian government has made ...zero... progress in changing the way the US and China enable Pakistan to disrupt Indian progress. With Obama and John Kerry in place, we're sure to see things get worse.

With a report card as pathetic as the one evident, one wonders how the elite diplomats find time for pats on the back.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Jan 2013 06:08

Mehdi is not a Paki-All-Bin-Resoursi!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2013 06:23

Something has happened within the last few days to make the GoI turn around completely. The PM kept mum for ten full days after the despicable events and then said that it won't be 'business as usual'. The tough-speaking Hina went to Washington and continued her unbridled tirade there. Suddenly, she offered to talk. Now, GoI turned down the offer after a cabinet meeting where Antony & Kurshid briefed the members. Ms. Maino gave a tough-sounding speech at the INC baithak. All of a sudden, everything has changed.

It is very clear that some other force is pressurizing this government. It has made deep inroads. It is very distressing. At the rate at which this government is going, it is a question of who will fail first, Pakistan or India ?

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 20 Jan 2013 06:33

You can bet your last paisa in the bank all this bluster is being put on so as not to seem as being totally inept by the Indian eloctorate, after all they have another member of Gandhi family to take care of with elections happening late this year/early next year.
Very soon you will see the despicable cowing in of the dhimmis/low-lives of Delhi while bull shitting about Bhai Chara/Aman/Peace and conviniently forgetting & dis-owning its own jawans.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 20 Jan 2013 07:12

pgbhat wrote:Don't derail Indo-Pak relations ---- Najam "Jihadi" Sethi.

Look how conviniently he says the beheading is alleged (as if it didnt happen in reality). Also it is the first time we get info that mutilation of the Indian Jawan also included Castration.

Who Does he quote? Burkha Dot.

Who does he Blame - BJP while trying to Prop Congress and Manmohan Singh!!!!

Most important he calls Sir Creek and Siachen low hanging fruits and is

that the position of the Indians have hardened and resolution is now not possible in the short term (Translation - The fruits were otherwise very soon to be enjoyed by Pakistan)

Then he harps of a new consensus in Pakistani civil society, media and political parties to normalize relations with India.

Pakistani civil society - An Oxymoron
Media - He conviniently wants us to forget about the countless television shows and their acidic host with panels of pakistani analysts who have opposed normalization of relations with India and also what about the various editorials and the various newspaper columnists opposing it?
Political parties - As if the Political Parties control Pakistan.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 20 Jan 2013 07:19

Hajam Sethi wrote:But the Indian media has ignored reports of beheadings by both sides in earlier encounters in the Kashmir sector.

As Hajam Sethi said, there are beheadings on both sides of the border - beheadings done by Pakiban in Pakistan and beheadings done by Pakiban in India. So what's all this fuss by the Indians about?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Jan 2013 07:30

^^^

When you have people who cannot tell who are friends and who are foes. Who their own people are and who are others. This is what you get. With the bunch in power. It has been international events that were more important rather then the domestic constituency. This has been going on since 1947 it self.

Nothing new. The worst part is that this bunch will win in 2014 as well. With it all hopes of India becoming a developed country will be gone. From that moment on it will only be a matter of tie before it degenerates into a TSP like situation.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 20 Jan 2013 07:34

now that they have demonstrated to US and Pak powers that be - that India will do NOTHING about this latest violence on it

--- the GoI, Maino et al can now do the tough talk.

This is like Vadivelu of tamil movies. First take the beating. Then grovel at enemy feet and then bluster doing it, to maintain facade.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 20 Jan 2013 08:35

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... h-pakistan

Excellent article by Minhaz Merchant of the Times of India. Contrast this with the garbage written by Shivam Vij in Outlook India, and an even worse article by Pranay Sharma, also of Outlook. http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283606 ( Vij's article)

The commentators who use words like 'jingoism', 'war mongers', 'falling for the government line' are ignoring the fundamental issue of cross border infiltration and cross border firing. After all, Indians are not infiltrating into Pakistani Kashmir, or initiating the firing.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2013 08:45

From the cacophony from the DIE chatterati looks like the castratti were on verge of giving TSP a lot of Indian goodies for the elusive piss under US aegis.

Note the coordination of US and PRC in demanding that India restore the piss process.
And the Qadri judicial coup was stalled.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jan 2013 08:54

Indian citizens questioning their leaders, which is a democratic right of the citizens, is being portrayed by the Pakis as "jingoisting media not wanting peace with Pakistan". If a majority of Indians do not want peace with Pakistan, it is our democratic right to not have peace. Pakis should drill this into their head first.

Secondly, every time someone takes a dump in pakistan (pun intended), there is speculation in Paki media if the army and establishment was behind it, whether it was psyops by ISI or deception by GHQ. And they somehow want us to trust Paki army is professional.

1. Professional armies dont conduct coups. Pakistani army has conducted many coups. Overt and covert. They are still at it
2. Pakistani general (Musharraf) lied that there were mujahideen in Kargil. There were regular soliders.
3. Zardari announced on TV that Kasab is not Pakistani. Kasab is a pakistan (well I should say "was" maybe?)
4. Pakistani foreign office vehemently denied that Osama was in Pakistan. He was in Pakistan.

So we are supposed to trust a country with an thoroughly unprofessional army (armed goons would be a better word) with liars for Generals, liars for President and prime ministers and liars for bureaucrats and not exercise our democratic right to question our government for trusting them and pursuing peace at all costs? Does doing this make us jingoistic war mongers? What exactly has Pakistan done lately to gain our trust? Perpetrators of 26/11 are roaming free and that is just one example. Just in the last few years, they attacked our embassy in Kabul (twice). Tell me one thing Pakistan has done recently (except show up for some chai biskoot sessions) that grows our trust in them?

We will trust Pakistan army, just as much as Jihadi sethi trusts them. No more no less. And he knows how thoroughly professional Pakistani army is (in tying him up and beating the crap out of his ribs). He runs his TV show out of a bunker in his bedroom. How about he trust Paki army and come out and take a stroll in the open?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Jan 2013 09:05

I think MMS was giving over something they didn't deserve and they are now angry that it didn't happen.

MMS had to put whatever on hold, Sonia Gandhi ahd to blow hot and Khurshi* was his usual self of justifying stealers.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 20 Jan 2013 09:27

Is there a connection to NM's don't give Sir Creek comment and possible MMS planning to wait some time before giving it anyway and pakis pushing the envelop with the beheading as a threat to MMS and leaking it to DDM?

Is MMS (himself a WKK) being pushed to act by the real WKK financier, the 3.5?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Jan 2013 09:50

I personally think this is what happened:

Pakistan the monster should be fed with blood from time to time else it turns on itself. This is true for the army, this is true for the jihadis they support. Prior to 26/11 and even now, there were reports that disillusioned jihadis were leaving LeT (good taliban, pro govt) and joining JeM (bad taliban). JeM is gaining power and does not always toe the establishment line. Similarly, TFTAs are asked to fight their own kith and kin, and are either surrendering or getting killed. This cannot be sustained for a long time without them baying for a coup or deserting en-masse or attacking themselves (Mehran base attack was done by insiders).

So the TFTAs need to orchestrate something from time to time to keep everything in line. I presume the border beheading was part of this. What they didnt expect (as usual) is that incidents like this have a life of their own and you cannot put a lid on it. So it started with "minor LoC incident" followed by media upheaval, followed by some sections of media bringing it up, followed by the leader of the opposition asking a few questions and some sections of media interviewing the family of the Jawan. Now, all this has resulted in a reaction (however small and temporary) of talks getting stalled. Which means the civilians need to downhill ski.

I am not sure if you follow economic news, but IMF has conclusively rejected writing off Pakistani debts and has said that Pakistan needs to meet a set of strict criteria to get another loan. Their 3.5 friends have become tight fisted due to general economic decline the in the west. Saudis are hoarding cash and spending it on domestic program to stave off Arab spring on their soil. US is running short on money and are shutting down social programs and wars. A limited conflict, in the scale of Kargil is something Pakis can ill afford now. They dont have the money, they dont have the international goodwill to secure a loan after that.

That is why you see a sudden downhill ski from civilians. People like Jihadi sethi see how bad a limited war or even diplomatic cold war can get for PPP in particular and democracy in general, in Pakistan. That is why articles from people like him which preach equal==equal (you must read it as an appeal to India to save democracy in Pakistan. India has no need or responsibility to do this).

The border action probably has no broader objectives, but it might become a watershed for Indians to realize that pakistanis will be pakistanis and wont turn into Indians after a peace treaty.

habal · Post by **habal** » 20 Jan 2013 10:21

Indian Army will act once Zardari finished his term. If by that time, they do not totally pummel the Pakistani terrorists at the border into submission. Then probably it makes sense to put the final nail into the congress coffin, and 'thikaney hain' to theek hai at centre.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Jan 2013 10:32

Varoon Shekhar wrote:http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... h-pakistan

Excellent article by Minhaz Merchant of the Times of India. Contrast this with the garbage written by Shivam Vij in Outlook India, and an even worse article by Pranay Sharma, also of Outlook. http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283606 ( Vij's article)

The commentators who use words like 'jingoism', 'war mongers', 'falling for the government line' are ignoring the fundamental issue of cross border infiltration and cross border firing. After all, Indians are not infiltrating into Pakistani Kashmir, or initiating the firing.

I posted another well articulated viewpoint by by Chidandand Rajghatta. But this one by MinHaz Merchant is brilliant. I must say, I am impressed with this WKK's change of heart although his conclusion is staid

http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283604

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Jan 2013 10:50

CRamS wrote:http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283604

^^^ CRamSji, Vinod mehta has no change of heart - he has only a change of wallet., all newbies are getting ahead of him by becoming bigger and badder wkk and this guy is left to now carve out a niche.

It is the story of "Sau chuhe maar ke billi haj ko chali"

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Jan 2013 12:56

shyamd wrote:
Mahendra wrote: Theek hain

Sirji, if you know that Khurshit's comments are to keep the US happy, one would imagine,that, with better sources, the US would know that as well, unless you are saying the entire thing is orchestrated by the US with active connivance of the Theek hain+ Maino regime and MMS has been shooting his mouth off to keep BRF happy.
In any case, there doesnt seem to be any evidence that the Theek hain regime is doing anything that is in the long term, or for that matter, short term interests of the country. Yes, they surely are doing things that are in the long and short term interests of the Gulfwaadi Deshatgard supporting regimes
with your intelligence surely you would understand the same game we have been playing for the last few decades

Theek Hain

I have more faith in your intelligence saar

, for the moment, I will drink the MMS harsh response koolaid

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Jan 2013 13:06

SSJi, I have been reading your posts with great interest for years now, I do notice a bit of bitterness creeping into your posts lately, sirji, do you know something that we dont?

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 20 Jan 2013 13:33

Vipul wrote:You can bet your last paisa in the bank all this bluster is being put on so as not to seem as being totally inept by the Indian eloctorate, after all they have another member of Gandhi family to take care of with elections happening late this year/early next year.
Very soon you will see the despicable cowing in of the dhimmis/low-lives of Delhi while bull shitting about Bhai Chara/Aman/Peace and conviniently forgetting & dis-owning its own jawans.

Look, to begin with, their instinct was to safeguard whatever remains of their precious "peace process". The scurrilous story by Praveen Swami in The Hindu had the government's backing; the government decided to slap the Indian Army a couple of times, in case they make too much noise in their grief. This will not be forgotten easily. It upsets me when a politician refers to the murder of our soldiers as "incidents on the LoC", as if something inconsequential (like a bedwetting, or a ripped sock) has happened in some exercise with some greater overarching objective. The Congress leadership has realised rather late in the day that showing open disdain for the lives of our own armed forces while desperately seeking dialogue with non-entities in Pakistan (who or what exactly does Khar represent? she is just a 3rd rate PR exercise who has no authority over the Pakistan Army) makes them look spineless, callous, witless and lacking in self-respect. I can only imagine that there are some remanining vestiges of decency in their midst (maybe AK Antony), and when these people meet the armed forces (e.g. while travelling in an IAF helicopter or Boeing) they feel some pangs of shame or embarrassment.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 20 Jan 2013 13:56

RamaY wrote:Mehdi is not a Paki-All-Bin-Resoursi!

But surely he has read history (even last 2 decades) and how yindu's have played the game.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 20 Jan 2013 13:58

SSridhar wrote:Something has happened within the last few days to make the GoI turn around completely. The PM kept mum for ten full days after the despicable events and then said that it won't be 'business as usual'. The tough-speaking Hina went to Washington and continued her unbridled tirade there. Suddenly, she offered to talk. Now, GoI turned down the offer after a cabinet meeting where Antony & Kurshid briefed the members. Ms. Maino gave a tough-sounding speech at the INC baithak. All of a sudden, everything has changed.

It is very clear that some other force is pressurizing this government. It has made deep inroads. It is very distressing. At the rate at which this government is going, it is a question of who will fail first, Pakistan or India ?

2014 elections?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2013 14:09

Mahendra wrote:SSJi, I have been reading your posts with great interest for years now, I do notice a bit of bitterness creeping into your posts lately, sirji, do you know something that we dont?

Mahendra, thanks. Yes, you are right about my bitterness. It comes from the most impotent response our ungrateful political class has shown to our men in uniform in the latest issue. I am appalled by their utter insensitivity. The dhimmitude we have displayed over the last 100 years is increasing by the day. Now, the ruling party has taken their drama several levels higher, to doublespeak and blatant lying. They are secure in their belief that the common men & women will vote them back to power. Then we have fifth columnists like many journalists, communists, WKKs, self-styled liberals, p-secs, foreign agents et al who are thoroughly destabilizing and enervating us from within. They may be small but they occupy positions from where they are able to influence Indian policies and programmes. I am raging at our impotence to do anything about this. They are simply toying with India. I am beginning to worry if we have any hope at all.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2013 14:13

shyamd wrote:2014 elections?

But, that realization could not have come in a matter of a few days. It was always there. Could it be the elevation of a certain person in a certain party ? Do they want him to sound like a Messiah to the rest of the world and it would be inappropriate to take a tough stand at this stage therefore ? Do they want to please the Masters ? Is the person US compliant ?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 20 Jan 2013 15:07

CRamS wrote:
eklavya wrote: Now, it is up to the electorate to decapitate this beast come Elections 2014.
Indeed, the combination of Daleets, many so called "lower castes", and Muslims will vote these current eunuchs and RNIs back to power. Mark my word. In a way, I feel like the republicans in the US, at how frustrated they are that blacks, Hispanics etc vote Dems because as Fox news honchos put it, "they want stuff". The analogy is valid only in peripheral terms because in the case of India, one side are Indians with India's best interest at heart, while the other side who pander to those who want stuff have no nationalist bone. TSP knows that, US knows that, and the arrogant WKKS, cowards and other Aman Ki Tamasha advocates know that.

+1000!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Jan 2013 15:49

OT

CRamS wrote:
eklavya wrote: Now, it is up to the electorate to decapitate this beast come Elections 2014.
Indeed, the combination of Daleets, many so called "lower castes", and Muslims will vote these current eunuchs and RNIs back to power. Mark my word. In a way, I feel like the republicans in the US, at how frustrated they are that blacks, Hispanics etc vote Dems because as Fox news honchos put it, "they want stuff". The analogy is valid only in peripheral terms because in the case of India, one side are Indians with India's best interest at heart, while the other side who pander to those who want stuff have no nationalist bone. TSP knows that, US knows that, and the arrogant WKKS, cowards and other Aman Ki Tamasha advocates know that.

I don't think there is any need to bring in casteism here. If the "nationalists" can give a better argument to the "Daleets" they will vote for them.

One argument is that the "lower castes" may genuinely be more worried about their bread and butter issues, so they will vote on those issues rather than on issues of national security. A second argument is that issues of national security may not be percolating down to them, so they may simply not be aware of them.

Whichever way one looks at it, one can hardly blame them. But one thing is certain - unlike some other sections of society, they do not have any ideological aversion to the Indian national cause. It is for the nationalist platform to make the case to them, and if we are not making such a case credibly, then it is only we who are to blame.

So let's cut out the casteism here!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Jan 2013 16:14

SSridhar wrote:
Mahendra wrote:SSJi, I have been reading your posts with great interest for years now, I do notice a bit of bitterness creeping into your posts lately, sirji, do you know something that we dont?
Mahendra, thanks. Yes, you are right about my bitterness. It comes from the most impotent response our ungrateful political class has shown to our men in uniform in the latest issue. I am appalled by their utter insensitivity. The dhimmitude we have displayed over the last 100 years is increasing by the day. Now, the ruling party has taken their drama several levels higher, to doublespeak and blatant lying. They are secure in their belief that the common men & women will vote them back to power. Then we have fifth columnists like many journalists, communists, WKKs, self-styled liberals, p-secs, foreign agents et al who are thoroughly destabilizing and enervating us from within. They may be small but they occupy positions from where they are able to influence Indian policies and programmes. I am raging at our impotence to do anything about this. They are simply toying with India. I am beginning to worry if we have any hope at all.

SSridhar garu,

I too have noticed the bitterness in your posts. But I see some light ...

It is my thinking that dignity is really one of the basic building blocks of the human mind. And the Islamo-Christianist Regime in India is crushing that dignity, the self-respect of Indians. They may like to put some economic spin on it, or some sooopapauer masala on it, and thus try to hide their crimes on our dignity behind it, but this would prove a failure.

Basically the digital revolution is taking away the power from the hands of the regime and shifting it to the people - the social networks, the blogs, the forums, the independent news portals, multiple sources of news, everything is shifting power away from the controlled media - print media, television, radio. As more and more people take to the digital world, more power will shift.

So the yearning for dignity and the digital revolution are two phenomena which would make it impossible to stop the backlash against current regime and their policies.

So twitter and facebook and all the other digital goodies may be American, but it doesn't really mean that the upcoming direction of social change based on these services would necessarily be in the interests of other powers. In the end, the national cause would prevail.

member_20385 · Post by **member_20385** » 20 Jan 2013 16:19

I think the issues of national importance are not percolating to the masses. Of course many of them are aware of the news but for analysis they are dependent on news paper , electronic media and who themselves are idiots of highest order or sold their souls to their political-business masters. One step people on this forum can perhaps think of is to start some thing like BRF in vernacular. It may increase the dissemination of information to a wider audience. who knows it may help reach a critical level to gather the required mass to really affect some change in our system. But the tangent of this line of thought is lack of reading habits in our country/ slavish dependence/addiction to electronic media-junk called newspaper or the failure of our educational system to inculcate independent thinking in students....