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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RoyG » 14 Jun 2018 21:26

chetak wrote:This is a video to be watched carefully.

It is by Prof R Vaidyanathan. RVAIDYA2000 (@rvaidya2000) | Twitter


https://youtu.be/MALR49dfYlA


Conversation with Prof RV on why the NSA should take the threats (against Modi) seriously




Assassins would have to penetrate multiple security rings and then survive long enough when challenged by Modi's spg detail. The ideal place would be a street while Modi is on foot or sticking himself out of car. I've seen footage of Modi walking through narrow streets in small township w/ people on top of roof looking down.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby nachiket » 15 Jun 2018 00:56

RoyG wrote:Assassins would have to penetrate multiple security rings and then survive long enough when challenged by Modi's spg detail. The ideal place would be a street while Modi is on foot or sticking himself out of car. I've seen footage of Modi walking through narrow streets in small township w/ people on top of roof looking down.

The problem is 2019 election campaigning will begin soon. On the campaign trail there might be several such instances of the PM being in a narrow street with hundreds of supporters surrounding him trying to catch a glimpse. A scary thought in light of this news about an assassination plot.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RoyG » 15 Jun 2018 04:10

nachiket wrote:
RoyG wrote:Assassins would have to penetrate multiple security rings and then survive long enough when challenged by Modi's spg detail. The ideal place would be a street while Modi is on foot or sticking himself out of car. I've seen footage of Modi walking through narrow streets in small township w/ people on top of roof looking down.

The problem is 2019 election campaigning will begin soon. On the campaign trail there might be several such instances of the PM being in a narrow street with hundreds of supporters surrounding him trying to catch a glimpse. A scary thought in light of this news about an assassination plot.


Yeah, I would say it is still pretty tough. Most of the countermeasures are offensive and classified. There are also UAVs overhead usually which scan the crowds. There is special software that flag people based on movement patterns and the info gets relayed back to spg command center. They would have to get through all that on top of spg in crowd, nsg/spg snipers on rooftops, and then finally his personal spg detail who train most days of the year to discharge their weapons before the threat, make head shots, and get PM out in less than 3 sec. Also, once the threat crosses the first run of the security cordon, they have to stay off the airwaves which makes it harder to coordinate with accomplices in the field.

IMO, the biggest headache are these suicide bombers. The blast radius coupled with shrapnel could impart an advantage but even then, to get into the venue you have to go through checkpoints, patted down, etc. under state police, spg, and nsg supervision. The pressure is going to be immense for this one but I trust they have all of it under control. Multiple layers have to fail in order for someone to pass through. The PM will proly restrict his exposure somewhat as well so that minimizes the chances.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 16 Jun 2018 10:56

The point to note is that inimical forces like the ltte and it's evil backers are still very active, acting in concert with the commies and naxals as part of the larger BIF.

We missed the point of the evil backers of the ltte then and now we miss the existence of the ltte at the subterranean level in dravidian politics.

The evil backers of the ltte have come a very long way since the days of their failure to break the SL homeland. They are now trying the same thing, using lessons learned from that failure to implement a similar agenda from the Indian side.

Like an iceberg, only the very top of their disguised, innocent appearing and "social minded" snowy white presence is visible to fool the rest of the country.

TN dravidians are fully aware of what's going on.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 16 Jun 2018 11:02

https://youtu.be/9Mlwe_g3RbQ

Maoists were involved in Sterlite protests. Their posters and banners used in that protest were found in Chattisgarh. It shows "Anti-social elements" had infiltrated Thoothukudi protest. #Rajinikanth's gut instinct was right.


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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 16 Jun 2018 12:12

Has Tamil Nadu become an independent nation within the sub-continent?


Has Tamil Nadu become an independent nation within the sub-continent?

VSRC interim report on Thoothukudi riots in Tamil Nadu establishes a clear nexus between the Church and the rioters

By Team PGurus - June 16, 2018

VSRC interim report on Thoothukudi riots in Tamil Nadu establishes a clear nexus between the Church and the rioters

If the findings by a group of professionals drawn out from fields like internal security, defence forces, judiciary and political observers are any indication, Tamil Nadu has almost become a testing laboratory for the Church-Islamist-Lefts-Maoist-Periyarites axis which want the State to break away from Indian union and form a separate Christian Republic a la the Tamil Eelam visualised by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE).

Two prominent figures quoted by the VSRC team are Gaspar and Mohan Lazarus, the former a Catholic priest while the latter is an evangelist.


Vedic Science Research Centre (VSRC), a Chennai based think tank, in a detailed study held all over the State has found that Tamil Nadu is boiling, in a subtle manner, fuelled by the Periarites, Marxists, Church, Maoists and Islamic Terrorists. The riots at Thoothukudy in the month of May 2018 that claimed the lives of 15 persons were fomented by this anti-national axis, the VSRC team found out. The role of international agencies in augmenting the riots has to be probed, said the VSRC report which has been accessed by Team PGurus.

An immaculate investigation by this team brought out the link between the Church and the rioters. “The various factions of the Church are behind the agitation against Sterlite Copper unit at Thoothukudy. Their allegation that the Thoothukudy region is polluted only because of the Sterlite Copper Unit is questionable. There are hundreds of chemical industries in the State Industries Promotion Corporation of Tamil Nadu Industrial Estate. The question is why Sterlite Copper is being singled out?” asked one of the team members who probed the Thoothukudy riots. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal from the private army funded by the Church.

The VSRC team also found that the Anti-Sterlite Movement is the continuation of many such agitations and arsons against development initiatives in Tamil Nadu. The VSRC investigators have concluded that police resorted to firing only as a last measure and that too to save more than 200 innocent lives who had to bear the brunt of the rioters.

“The agitation against Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project, the Marina Beach sit-in demanding the removal of the Supreme Court ban on Jallikkattu, the demonstrations against the government of India to set up hydrocarbon plants in Cauvery Delta Region, the ONGC mission to extract shale gas from the Cauvery districts, the agitation demanding the shutting down of the Indian Neutrino Observatory at Theni, and the agitation against the setting up of the world-class InterContinental Container Shipment Terminal in Kanyakumari district are all interconnected. The ultimate idea is to block and prevent all kind of development works in this part of the country and to condition the region for a secessionist movement, which has already taken shape in the area,” said Ramakrishnan Gauthaman, director, VSRC.

The report quotes even former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who told an international publication that the agitators at Kudankulam in Tirunelveli district were being funded by agencies from foreign countries[1]. “Dr. Manmohan Singh had said that the NGOs in Tirunelveli and Thoothukudy Districts were receiving funds from Organisations based in the United States of America and Scandinavian countries. The money was channeled mainly through the church-based NGOs namely Tuticorin Diocese Association and Tuticorin Multipurpose Social Service Society,” the report quotes.

The report submitted by the VSRC to the Home Ministry is a work done painstakingly. Each point mentioned in the report has been substantiated by documentary evidence, pictures, audio/ video clippings and inputs provided by the residents of the local community. “This controversial plant has been a money spinner for many politicians, bureaucrats, civil society groups and Church priests for long. The current bout of the strike is to oppose the expansion of this plant. The protests against this plant were peaceful throughout and whatever legal or departmental action against the wrongdoings of this plant was the result of this peaceful protest,” said Gauthaman.

The report has also pointed out the abnormal interest shown by certain political groups and religious groups in retaining the services of an official of the Archaeological Survey of India at Keezhadi in Sivaganga District for an ongoing excavation work and also the attempts by most of the Dravidian and Left parties in charging the Centre for alleged attempt to impose Hindi and Sanskrit over Tamil Nadu while there was no such move. The Church-sponsored agitations held in Kanyakumari and Tirunelveli districts in the aftermath of the Okhi cyclones have been listed in the report as part of anti-national initiatives. “The rescue and relief operations held by the Union Government post-Okhi cyclone has been of an exemplary standard but the dominant religious community in the region waged an undeclared war against the government by spreading falsehoods,” says the report which also lists the names of NGOs, individuals, and organisations which are working round-the-clock promoting separatism and Tamil Nation cause.

Two prominent figures quoted by the VSRC team are Gaspar and Mohan Lazarus, the former a Catholic priest while the latter is an evangelist. While Gaspar is a close associate of DMK’s K Kanimozhi, party chief M Karunanidhi’s daughter, Lazarus is the one credited with evangelising hundreds of thousands of people across Tamil Nadu including MDMK leader Vaiko (Y Gopalaswamy). Lazarus said in a TV interview that it was he who brought Vaiko to the path of Jesus[2]. But Vaiko, with his friends in the media like B Kolappan of The Hindu got a news published that he does not discriminate between religions[3]. He has been quoted as saying that the news that he had been converted to Christianity has the potential to harm his political career as he fears that Hindus would not vote for him if they come to know his defection to Christianity. Rationalist Vaiko’s wife Renuka is praying in all Churches and telling special novenas for the election of her husband from one of the constituencies in the State.

The team has found that three churches in the districts of Thoothukudy, Tirunelveli and Kanyakumari are the hubs of all secessionist and anti-national operations in Tamil Nadu. “What is disturbing is that majority of the MLAs from these three districts are Christians because the Christian community would vote only for candidates propped up by the Church,” said one of the team members.

The full VSRC report accessed by Team PGurus is included as an enclosure. Taken aback by the findings of the VSRC, a self-styled group constituted by the Church by including a group of proactive Christians like M G Devasahayam (former IAS officer), Jacob Punnoose (former IPS officer), R T Sreekumar (former IPS officer who is credited with sabotaging India’s space research programme by cooking up the spy scandal of 1995), Kalpana Kannabeeran (Maoist), Hari Paranthaman (former judge of Madras High Court and a known Periyariite) and a slew of fishermen leaders (all belonging to the Christian community), has blamed the police and the Tamil Nadu administration for the rioting and police firing[4]. The report named People’s Inquest, says that public testimonial states that the district administration and police attacked and molested the rioters at the instance of the Sterlite Copper Management. Devasahayam, a known Hindu baiter is trying to put the entire blame on the Narendra Modi government for every mishap that has happened in the country since 1947. As expected the report prepared under the tagline People’s Inquest has come a cropper.

References:

[1] Manmohan criticises NGOs for protests in Kudankulam – Feb 24, 2012, The Hindu

[2] Vaiko & his family converted to Christianity Mohan C Lazarus confirms – Nov 8, 2017, YouTube

[3] MDMK chief Vaiko denies claims of conversion – Nov 8, 2017, The Hindu

[4] High-level People’s Inquest team finds Tamil Nadu Police/ Thoothukudi District Admin guilty of serious excesses – Jun 2, 2018, ESGIndia.org

The report of VSRC:

Interim Report on Thoothukudi Riots by VSRC by Sree Iyer on Scribd

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby chetak » 17 Jun 2018 10:10

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/2019-general-elections-congress-bjp-h-d-kumaraswamy-pranab-mukherjee-rss-5220700/

Security abroad

The Director of the SPG (Special Protection Group) has brought to the attention of the Secretary, Security, in the Cabinet Secretariat that during most of Narendra Modi’s regime, Sonia Gandhi and Rahul have not permitted their security personnel to accompany them when they are travelling abroad, even though the SPG has repeatedly pointed out the security threat. The government has now decided that each time the Gandhis leave the country they will have to give an undertaking that they are traveling unaccompanied at their own risk and responsibility. Recently, the SPG dropped Rahul and Sonia at the international airport. Sonia was leaving for her health check-up but the SPG had no clue about her destination.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Neshant » 17 Jun 2018 20:31

How did 40000+ even manage to enter India and travel around thousands of kilometers.

Totally inept border security and internal security.

A waste of money purchasing fighter planes costing tens of billions when an army of foreigners can literally cross right over and inhabit any place they wish.

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Telangana police cracking down on Rohingyas in Hyderabad

https://www.ibtimes.co.in/why-telangana ... cts-771439

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RoyG » 17 Jun 2018 21:01

chetak wrote:https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/2019-general-elections-congress-bjp-h-d-kumaraswamy-pranab-mukherjee-rss-5220700/

Security abroad

The Director of the SPG (Special Protection Group) has brought to the attention of the Secretary, Security, in the Cabinet Secretariat that during most of Narendra Modi’s regime, Sonia Gandhi and Rahul have not permitted their security personnel to accompany them when they are travelling abroad, even though the SPG has repeatedly pointed out the security threat. The government has now decided that each time the Gandhis leave the country they will have to give an undertaking that they are traveling unaccompanied at their own risk and responsibility. Recently, the SPG dropped Rahul and Sonia at the international airport. Sonia was leaving for her health check-up but the SPG had no clue about her destination.


They conduct their affairs outside of the country in banks and other places free of gov surveillance. Everything is bugged within the country and you can't use the phones or internet. No doubt MI5 and other agencies have access to their communications tho.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby Neshant » 17 Jun 2018 21:26

They conduct their affairs outside of the country in banks and other places free of gov surveillance. Everything is bugged within the country and you can't use the phones or internet. No doubt MI5 and other agencies have access to their communications tho.


Bingo.

Accessing their illegal funds stashed abroad is my guess.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sanjayc » 17 Jun 2018 21:40

Neshant wrote:How did 40000+ even manage to enter India and travel around thousands of kilometers.

Totally inept border security and internal security.

A waste of money purchasing fighter planes costing tens of billions when an army of foreigners can literally cross right over and inhabit any place they wish.

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Telangana police cracking down on Rohingyas in Hyderabad

https://www.ibtimes.co.in/why-telangana ... cts-771439


I have always thought that state governments, especially non-BJP ones, cannot be trusted to maintain sanctity of the land border. They are too parochial, do not have a national outlook, and solely focused on developing Muslim vote banks. The union government needs to declare one kilometer wide strip all along India's land border as union territory. The state government's writ won't run there, and no human habitation will be allowed. It will be governed directly by the home / defence ministry. This is the only solution.

Also, I am astounded how easily infiltrators manage to obtain government identity cards like voter Id cards, Aadhar, etc. We need a strong law to jail government officials and others (NGOs, etc.) who help infiltrators obtain such documents fraudulently. A jail term of five years for this will set a lot of touts and petty bureaucrats right.

Compulsorily linking all national identification documents with Aadhar card will be a good idea, to avoid situations like this:

Nirav Modi possessed at least 6 Indian passports, faces fresh charges
http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2018/ ... pdates.htm
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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sanjayc » 17 Jun 2018 21:43

RoyG wrote:


They conduct their affairs outside of the country in banks and other places free of gov surveillance. Everything is bugged within the country and you can't use the phones or internet. No doubt MI5 and other agencies have access to their communications tho.


They may also be meeting their handlers away from prying eyes.

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby sanjayc » 17 Jun 2018 21:58

chetak wrote:Has Tamil Nadu become an independent nation within the sub-continent?

Has Tamil Nadu become an independent nation within the sub-continent?

VSRC interim report on Thoothukudi riots in Tamil Nadu establishes a clear nexus between the Church and the rioters

An immaculate investigation by this team brought out the link between the Church and the rioters. “The various factions of the Church are behind the agitation against Sterlite Copper unit at Thoothukudy. Their allegation that the Thoothukudy region is polluted only because of the Sterlite Copper Unit is questionable. There are hundreds of chemical industries in the State Industries Promotion Corporation of Tamil Nadu Industrial Estate. The question is why Sterlite Copper is being singled out?” asked one of the team members who probed the Thoothukudy riots. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal from the private army funded by the Church.


I am currently reading "The Darkening Age: The Christian Destruction of the Classical World"
https://www.amazon.in/dp/B06XCHMZTK/ref ... TF8&btkr=1

(BTW, the entire book is available on Scribd, if you want to read: https://www.scribd.com/document/3632383 ... rine-Nixey

The similarities with how Christians captured Roman Empire are uncanny with what is happening in TN. It was the private army of the Bishop, called Parabalani, which surrounded and skinned alive Hypatia, the most famous Greek philosopher of the time in Alexandria. When church begins to assemble a private army of hoodlooms controlled by the Bishops, that means they are moving for the kill over the heathens.

They called them the ‘parabalani’ – ‘the reckless ones’.¹ At first, the name had been a compliment. Under the scorching heat of the Alexandrian sun, in this city at the crossroads of busy trading routes, someone needed to carry away the bodies of the sick and the weak – not to mention the merely unsavoury poor – and do so swiftly, to protect everyone else.

This was a city that knew how devastating a plague could be. A hundred and fifty years before, a new disease had arrived in Alexandria, then fanned out into the rest of the empire, killing millions. Then, a hundred or so years later, the Plague of Justinian struck. Its symptoms were even more abhorrent: buboes appeared, followed variously by coma, delirium, agonizing pain, ‘black pustules about as large as a lentil’, the vomiting of blood and, finally, death.² The plague was more devastating than the last: 25 million people died.

To deal with the dead and the dying in an ancient city was therefore an essential job and, like most essential jobs, a despised one. In fifth-century Alexandria, the men who stepped forward to do this work were the parabalani, the ‘reckless’ young Christians brave enough to act as stretcher bearers in this medicine-free world.³

These men were in many ways at the bottom of society: they were not wealthy, or educated, or even literate, but they had muscle, they had faith – and they had strength in numbers.⁴ By the beginning of the fifth century there were an estimated 800 members of the parabalani in Alexandria alone: an army – and the word is used advisedly – of young men, devoted to the service of God.⁵ Or more precisely, to the service of His representatives on earth: the bishops. As the scholar Peter Brown has pointed out, in cities across the empire at this time, powerful clerics were beginning to marshal huge followings of young men; strong believers, in both senses of the word. In Rome, those who flocked behind the bish-
op were the ‘fossores’, the diggers who mined out the city’s famous catacombs. In Antioch, it was the pallbearers who surrounded their patriarch.

These men had all initially been gathered to do good Christian deeds – but they could and would be deployed to do terrible ones. The control that many bishops had over their flocks was firm to the point of unyielding. They were the gatekeepers of heaven and could shut those gates in the faces of those who displeased them. In the fourth and fifth centuries, bishops controlled de facto militaries of the faithful – and they were not afraid to use them. In Rome, the diggers upset an episcopal election with the use of ‘alarming’ violence.

As one bishop somewhat smugly observed, bishops were ‘the calmers of disturbances, and anxious for peace, except when even they are moved by some offence against God, or insult to the Church’, as Brown has observed.⁶ Except. Brown has rightly drawn attention to that word. Peace could only be had at the Church’s say-so. The Lamb of God was now flanked by lions. The diggers in Rome were fearsome enough, but it was the parabalani in Alexandria who became infamous. Cross the bishop of Alexandria and, as locals knew to their cost, he might send some of the 800 parabalani to visit you.

Argument incarnate, they massed outside the town hall, the theatre and the law courts. Their mere presence was enough to bully opponents into submission. They have been described as a ‘terrorist charity’ – a strange oxymoron, but a good one. These men did, at times, do good deeds but they also sowed fear. ‘Terror’ is the word used in Roman legal documents about them.⁷

One spring day in AD 415, the parabalani would go much further than merely threatening violence. On that day, they committed one of the most infamous murders in early Christianity.⁸

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Re: Internal Security Watch

Postby RoyG » 17 Jun 2018 23:52

sanjayc wrote:
RoyG wrote:
They conduct their affairs outside of the country in banks and other places free of gov surveillance. Everything is bugged within the country and you can't use the phones or internet. No doubt MI5 and other agencies have access to their communications tho.


They may also be meeting their handlers away from prying eyes.


There are some banks in England, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, etc which are very powerful and have a reputation of maintaining privacy of their clients. For clients depositing over a given amount, they provide facilities within the banks with the highest grade encryption, sound proofing, etc to thwart foreign intelligence. In Switzerland itself, its a well known fact that several banks have created additional facilities just to house gold bars held by Indian depositors.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cong leadership is permanently renting out one of these secure rooms within a particular bank to conduct their affairs within India. They could meet folks from Cambrige Analytica in there without pesky reporters, thwart foreign intelligence, and secure for themselves a fair degree of autonomy due to client privilege. It's far easier to mobilize financial assets without financial intelligence unit/SEBI/CBI eavesdropping on their transactions within India.

May also explain why Modi is trying to destroy whatever little presence they have within India. They must be burning through $ to keep running their operations out of Europe. It's imperative that they keep the money flowing by winning state elections.


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