Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
But what if he or she has committed a crime i.e. killing of a non-combatant?
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Noob question - have Russia or Ukraine formally declared war ?
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
If there is no war......there are no POWs. Geneva convention out.Russian special op units caught some terrorists.Manish_P wrote:Noob question - have Russia or Ukraine formally declared war ?
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
He is not being put on trial for any crime. It for being a part of this operation.ks_sachin wrote:But what if he or she has committed a crime i.e. killing of a non-combatant?
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
On a lighter note Mr. Bean actor Rowan Atkinson managed to set off an overnight fireworks display in Chippenham on the birthday of his 40-year-old girlfriend, scaring away the nearby villagers who mistook the firing for a Russian invasion and called 999
https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/dogs-mi ... rth-party/
https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/dogs-mi ... rth-party/
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Nope. Geneva convention would still apply.rsingh wrote:If there is no war......there are no POWs. Geneva convention out.Russian special op units caught some terrorists.Manish_P wrote:Noob question - have Russia or Ukraine formally declared war ?
many interactions with company lawyers to be blamed onlee
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
OT but we might be surprised as to how effective NYT remains. A lot of otherwise intelligent people outsource their thinking to NYT based on prestige alone.Cyrano wrote:What an assault on intelligence that article is!
Intelligence may matter less than prestige and social status.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
I believe accounting of such things may come at the conclusion of the war, if the pow happens to be on the losing side. With tribunals and so on.ks_sachin wrote:But what if he or she has committed a crime i.e. killing of a non-combatant?
If on the winning side, nothing will happen.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Correct, India and Pakistan did not declare war for Kargil in '99. Yet there were POWs governed by the conventions.Thakur_B wrote:Nope. Geneva convention would still apply.rsingh wrote:
If there is no war......there are no POWs. Geneva convention out.Russian special op units caught some terrorists.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Russia is basically slamming the door on the West. Lavrov says they will pursue a deeper cooperation with China. This has huge implications.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world ... 62601.html
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world ... 62601.html
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
This is not good for Russia in the long run. China is a snake and will take every pound from Russia without anything in exchange, just like has happened with all its allies.Shanmukh wrote:Russia is basically slamming the door on the West. Lavrov says they will pursue a deeper cooperation with China. This has huge implications.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world ... 62601.html
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
This is what everyone was expecting. A deeper embrace between China and Russia. There is also this news of Russian and Chinese aircrafts flying close to Japan during QUAD meeting. This is not good news for India also.
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Nihat wrote: This is not good for Russia in the long run. China is a snake and will take every pound from Russia without anything in exchange, just like has happened with all its allies.
Based on everything that has happened between the west and Russia since 2001. Not really surprising that Russia will become close to PRC.
Good for Russia or not is not really relevant for the parties concerned. As the US is hell bent on pushing Russia into an embrace with PRC.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Yes India Followed Geneva convention. But not sure about Bakistan. Let"s assume India does yet another surgical strike to demolish some camps and one of our solder is caught. Do you think he will be treated under Geneva convention?Maria wrote:Correct, India and Pakistan did not declare war for Kargil in '99. Yet there were POWs governed by the conventions.Thakur_B wrote:
Nope. Geneva convention would still apply.
Yes any visible hostility is war (Protocol 1 ). Then there right war which postulates that one country can attack another to destroy extreme right groups (like Nazi or supremacy group).Russia is carefully making case here. 33% UKR population was Russian speaking. UKR brought law to ban Russian language. Secondly extreme right groups in UK are not a secret.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
This at best will be a transactional relationship between the Russi and the Kitaiski. On the lines of the Indo-American relations.Pratyush wrote:Nihat wrote: This is not good for Russia in the long run. China is a snake and will take every pound from Russia without anything in exchange, just like has happened with all its allies.
Based on everything that has happened between the west and Russia since 2001. Not really surprising that Russia will become close to PRC.
Good for Russia or not is not really relevant for the parties concerned. As the US is hell bent on pushing Russia into an embrace with PRC.
No Chinaman is ever going to fight a Russian war for Russia. Vice versa, needless to say.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
The very condition of safe Return of Group Captain Abhinandan was follow Geneva Conventions or be prepared for retribution.rsingh wrote:Yes India Followed Geneva convention. But not sure about Bakistan. Let"s assume India does yet another surgrical strike to demolish some camps and one of our solder is caught. Do you think he will be treated under Geneva convention?Maria wrote:
Correct, India and Pakistan did not declare war for Kargil in '99. Yet there were POWs governed by the conventions.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Sir ji, it was the retribution factor. It seems some had wet pent (literally). Modi factor.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
I am not sure you have the right read on some basic data points on Russia:Nihat wrote:This is not good for Russia in the long run. China is a snake and will take every pound from Russia without anything in exchange, just like has happened with all its allies.Shanmukh wrote:Russia is basically slamming the door on the West. Lavrov says they will pursue a deeper cooperation with China. This has huge implications.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world ... 62601.html
* Russia has the largest natural resources in the world: currently estimated at $75 trillion (US is 2nd at $45 trillion)(Iran is #5 and China is #6!!)(India is not even top 10)
* (I recall one of your posts that compared Russia to India, so) India :: Russia
* GDP: (2021) $3.1 trillion : $1.7 trillion
* per capita GDP: $2,200 : $12,000+ (Russians are 6 times more "richer" than the Indian)
Russian currency is doing extremely well, to the extent, even under sanctions, the Bank of Russia is buying foreign currency - while forcing buyers of Russian oil (and soon wheat) to pay in Rubles
Russia is doing alright and the future - thanks to Biden and Neocons - looks even better
Just thought I did pitch in some data
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
You nailed it, our danda is bigger than there's on any given day - and they know it.Thakur_B wrote:The very condition of safe Return of Group Captain Abhinandan was follow Geneva Conventions or be prepared for retribution.rsingh wrote: Yes India Followed Geneva convention. But not sure about Bakistan. Let"s assume India does yet another surgrical strike to demolish some camps and one of our solder is caught. Do you think he will be treated under Geneva convention?
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Since we are talking about the new fuel named data, a couple of questions on the data given and the statements made above(and some extra questions):NRao wrote:I am not sure you have the right read on some basic data points on Russia:Nihat wrote:
This is not good for Russia in the long run. China is a snake and will take every pound from Russia without anything in exchange, just like has happened with all its allies.
* Russia has the largest natural resources in the world: currently estimated at $75 trillion (US is 2nd at $45 trillion)(Iran is #5 and China is #6!!)(India is not even top 10)
* (I recall one of your posts that compared Russia to India, so) India :: Russia
* GDP: (2021) $3.1 trillion : $1.7 trillion
* per capita GDP: $2,200 : $12,000+ (Russians are 6 times more "richer" than the Indian)
Russian currency is doing extremely well, to the extent, even under sanctions, the Bank of Russia is buying foreign currency - while forcing buyers of Russian oil (and soon wheat) to pay in Rubles
Russia is doing alright and the future - thanks to Biden and Neocons - looks even better
Just thought I did pitch in some data
1) How much wealth do the expatriate Oligarchs hold outside Russia? (those whose wealth can be frozen/blocked by Western powers and hence their contribution can be negated). Also, I am assuming that this wealth is practically blocked off and business dealings halted (majority of it - discounting some cases such as the Swiss release), what will be the impact on the Russian per capita GDP stated above (from 2021)?
2) What is the exact distribution of wealth among the Russians?
3) What is the wealth distribution between the Asian centre, Siberia (the region closest to the Kitaiski) and the European areas? (if the Siberian populace is substantially poorer than the Chinese - this negates the wholesale statement that Russians are doing better, as they will indeed be dependent on the Chinese for trade)
4) What was the rate of growth of the Russian economy before the war? Can they sustain this influx of hard Rubles for their produce in the long run? I think the Pakistanis also feel great when there is influx of foreign aid.
5) Regardless of the result of the war, what will be the exact nature of the so called coming bear hug between the Russians and Chinese? How exactly will it benefit the Russians?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/ ... ort-a74180
https://www.statista.com/statistics/482 ... ge-wealth/
Hope I was eloquent and not flatulent.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Slowly but surely the noose is tightening in the Donbas
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
I personally feel that Severodonetsk is done for with reportedly only 2000 Ukr-orcs there, Lysychans'k will be a lot tougher with 10,000 personnel from the AFU.Atmavik wrote:Slowly but surely the noose is tightening in the Donbas
Then we also have a mammoth garrison at Slaviansk and Kramatorsk for the Rus' to deal with (that 10,000 from Lysychans'k would prolly fall back there to form a bigger Mordorish army) [They would have to break-out though].
The AFU is not yet ready for a pitched battle with the Russians in the satellite cities, for instance they gave up easily in Svetlodarsk, running tail wedged within legs towards the larger cities.
The goods news is that the northern flanks are folding well with the reported fall of Lyman (edited - nope the city is still with the AFU).
Alas, a lot of advanced western weaponry is awaiting service with the Russians, from the FH-77s to French Caesar MTAGs - as they already deployed in the 'Bass.
The pimple is awaiting a good squeeze.
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Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Maria ji, you spilled my coffee!
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Glad that I didn't cause spillage of anything else.Cyrano wrote:Maria ji, you spilled my coffee!
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Very eloquent indeed, thanksMaria wrote:
5) Regardless of the result of the war, what will be the exact nature of the so called coming bear hug between the Russians and Chinese? How exactly will it benefit the Russians?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/ ... ort-a74180
https://www.statista.com/statistics/482 ... ge-wealth/
Hope I was eloquent and not flatulent.
A brief answer, since this is not the thread:
1) The purpose of my previous post was to make sure that people have the data - after that they can infer anything they want. So, if they feel India is doing better than Russia despite Russians having a 6x per capita GDP - up to them
2) On Oligarchs, extremely valid question (they are a scourge). Two questions:
a) Who created them in the early 1990s and why (hint: Elensky) and the rise of Putin?
b) Who sustained them for 30 years or so? I mean Russia is an export oriented economy and as you have pointed out Russians do not have the buying power to sustain oligarchs. Can discuss further in appropriate thread
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
slowly steadily these have started appearing in BBC et al building narrative to give up territory to Ru for peace
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Perhaps we could take this to the war fallout thread Rao garu.NRao wrote:Very eloquent indeed, thanksMaria wrote:
5) Regardless of the result of the war, what will be the exact nature of the so called coming bear hug between the Russians and Chinese? How exactly will it benefit the Russians?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/ ... ort-a74180
https://www.statista.com/statistics/482 ... ge-wealth/
Hope I was eloquent and not flatulent.
A brief answer, since this is not the thread:
1) The purpose of my previous post was to make sure that people have the data - after that they can infer anything they want. So, if they feel India is doing better than Russia despite Russians having a 6x per capita GDP - up to them
2) On Oligarchs, extremely valid question (they are a scourge). Two questions:
a) Who created them in the early 1990s and why (hint: Elensky) and the rise of Putin?
b) Who sustained them for 30 years or so? I mean Russia is an export oriented economy and as you have pointed out Russians do not have the buying power to sustain oligarchs. Can discuss further in appropriate thread
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Talking about resource richness of big countries. Japan,Germany France,UK etc are doing well without huge resources. Even India cover much of her energy imports buy exporting petrol products. We have coal and iron.. we need technology and trained workforce
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Some light on the blindingly bright elensly who made many close their eyes:
https://im1776.com/2022/05/27/servant-of-the-corrupt/
https://im1776.com/2022/05/27/servant-of-the-corrupt/
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
EU cracks widen over Ukraine as Italy, Hungary urge truce
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu ... 022-05-25/
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
what henry kissinger said in davos
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ory-davos/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... sanctions/
Henry Kissinger: Ukraine must give Russia territory
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ory-davos/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... sanctions/
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
After reading Kissinjer articles in 2014 and 22 (after seeing what transpired after 8 years of interference in Pakraine and 100 days of war, and who has clear advantage), it looks like there are no serious takers of this 98-year's view anymore. Either there is a clear split between ne0cons, dip state ityadi ityadi, between who the real enemy is (in terms of where real efforts must be spent) between russ and China, or there is an absolute clarity that both are problem and must be dealt with by sending donkeys and elephants to power alternatively.
Coming back to Pakraine and Kissinjer, he is basically saying (and indirectly not saying) that wrap up this war before winter, else it will turn into global war between Nato and Russ. Wait, so is he indirectly saying that such a scenario must be avoided because Nato has no chance of winning or is it because in such a scenario, it will turn nooklear very quickly and into mutual self-destruction?
Regardless, Russ remains heavily sanctioned, Pakraine and EU are fckued, China is the only beneficiary with Russ delivered in a silver plate, India is busy growing itself to its civilizational glory and doesn't care, uncle feeling all the secondary effects including a possibility of Afg/Viet 2.0 outcome. I think what Kissinjer is not saying directly, but indirectly warning that if this evolves in to a situation where debt, thollar are challenged, game is over. Given how extreme things have become, even if Pakraine wants to settle, why would russ settle?
Coming back to Pakraine and Kissinjer, he is basically saying (and indirectly not saying) that wrap up this war before winter, else it will turn into global war between Nato and Russ. Wait, so is he indirectly saying that such a scenario must be avoided because Nato has no chance of winning or is it because in such a scenario, it will turn nooklear very quickly and into mutual self-destruction?
Regardless, Russ remains heavily sanctioned, Pakraine and EU are fckued, China is the only beneficiary with Russ delivered in a silver plate, India is busy growing itself to its civilizational glory and doesn't care, uncle feeling all the secondary effects including a possibility of Afg/Viet 2.0 outcome. I think what Kissinjer is not saying directly, but indirectly warning that if this evolves in to a situation where debt, thollar are challenged, game is over. Given how extreme things have become, even if Pakraine wants to settle, why would russ settle?
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
^^^^^
Kissinger is saying NATO/EU/US has 2 months to make dead sure that the Sino-Russo relations does solidify so much that it reaches a point of no return.
The split - IMO - is within the neocon community (which is not homogeneous). How serious is the fallout could potentially be seen in Sr. policy guys (Blinken/Sullivan) leaving this admin.
Joe Biden was considered to be a FP go-to guy. This is a total disaster for his legacy. Doubt he will recover. IMHO.
Kissinger is saying NATO/EU/US has 2 months to make dead sure that the Sino-Russo relations does solidify so much that it reaches a point of no return.
The split - IMO - is within the neocon community (which is not homogeneous). How serious is the fallout could potentially be seen in Sr. policy guys (Blinken/Sullivan) leaving this admin.
Joe Biden was considered to be a FP go-to guy. This is a total disaster for his legacy. Doubt he will recover. IMHO.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
Chanakyaa,
Here you go:
https://twitter.com/PLnewstoday/status/ ... 5043146753
Here you go:
https://twitter.com/PLnewstoday/status/ ... 5043146753
Henry Kissinger was added as a terrorist to the Ukrainian Government portal Peacemaker!
Henry Alfred Kissinger is a German-born American politician, diplomat, & geopolitical consultant who served as USA Secretary of State and National Security Advisor under Nixon & Ford
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
^^^ Paki suicidal rabidness + Euro racist entitlement = UkroNazi attitude.
What a snakepit Europe has let the US bred at its doorstep. They can and probably will stamp them out mercilessly, but will get a few ankles bitten in the process. But only Putin Dada can defang them and hopefully make them close to normal some day.
What a snakepit Europe has let the US bred at its doorstep. They can and probably will stamp them out mercilessly, but will get a few ankles bitten in the process. But only Putin Dada can defang them and hopefully make them close to normal some day.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
^^^ they are only missing the key ingredient that pakis have
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
https://youtu.be/1C8wspuji7U
Interesting discussion about the war in Ukraine. A weak Russian military is a consensus in WEF. Indian representative tried to bring some sense to the discussion and not make it an echo chamber.
Interesting discussion about the war in Ukraine. A weak Russian military is a consensus in WEF. Indian representative tried to bring some sense to the discussion and not make it an echo chamber.
Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine [Feb 6th 2015]
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... poll-shows Negative views of Russia mainly limited to western liberal democracies, poll shows
The countries with a widely held most negative view of Russia included Poland (net negative 87%), Ukraine (80%), Portugal (79%), Italy (65%), UK (65%), Sweden (77%), US (62%) and Germany (62%). Even in Hungary – whose leader Viktor Orbán is an ally of Putin – a net 32% have a negative view of Russia. In Venezuela, often seen as propped up by Russia, the local population has a net negative view of Russia of 36%.
The countries with a widely held most negative view of Russia included Poland (net negative 87%), Ukraine (80%), Portugal (79%), Italy (65%), UK (65%), Sweden (77%), US (62%) and Germany (62%). Even in Hungary – whose leader Viktor Orbán is an ally of Putin – a net 32% have a negative view of Russia. In Venezuela, often seen as propped up by Russia, the local population has a net negative view of Russia of 36%.