Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 18:29

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Kasuri's stuff is a matter of degree & detail, not a matter of outline. As a reminder:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/ ... ck-channel
The New Yorker, 2009:
At some point, the Line of Control might be acknowledged by both governments as an international border.


This point is negated forcefully by Kasuri in the interview saying we rejected the Indian demand to declare the LOC as international boundaries and also that pakistan did not want status quo to which india agreed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 18:36

Nice to see Christine Fair defence of Robin Raphael -- glad that she reveals where is coming from, so Indians don't fall for her "Scholarship on India", when that happens.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 18:38

What is wrong with all diplomats who have been ex-ambassadors to shitland? From Mani Shankar Iyer, to KC Singh, to S K Lambah, Bhadrakumar. Have these guys been so successfully turned around (Honeytrapped by ISI)?

The only sane guy who has donned that role and come out normal is G. Parthasarathy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 04 Sep 2015 18:41

^Vipul, I totally agree.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 18:58

Shehzad Poonawala, well known crony of Rahul Gandhi, writes "can business ties with pakistan fix the situation"... a lot traitorous termites in the INC if this line is being thrown out at this time, when Paki army and govt. are in no mood for trade ties.

http://www.rediff.com/business/column/column-can-trade-do-for-india-pak-ties-what-politicians-have-failed-to-do/20150904.htm

Note that these are the same thoughts being sold by connected US-pasand pakis like Hussain Haqqani and the "Brown Pundit", i.e., "put everything on the backburner and normalise relations with trade"....same old paki-american snake oil in a new vial.

Improved India-Pakistan trade would benefit both countries in various sectors such as economic growth, access to larger markets, energy sector co-operation and promote overall regional stability. Formal bilateral trade has 10 times the potential for improvement if the informal trade is channelised through it. Informal trade between both States consists:

Re-routing trade through a third country (eg, Dubai), and
Illegal trade through land border. This is estimated at $3 billion.


Apparently, India should strengthen the paki economy, presumably because they can then attack India with more vigor. This idiot think pakistan granting MFN status to India is some sort of a big deal -- a beggar terrorist nation being treated as a normal nation -- the genius assumption of the IFS/Shyam Saran types.

For India, it makes much more sense to include Pakistan in its search for new markets. Greater trade with Pakistan, apart from being pertinent from the security point of view, opens up opportunities for access to the markets of Central Asia. For Pakistan, it means access to the 400 million middle-class consumers in India for its products, creating a positive impact on Pakistan’s economy.

To culminate this, both countries need to adopt a series of measures like Pakistan granting MFN status to India, reduction of non-tariff barriers such as infrastructure deficits for trade along borders, and a revised visa regime to allow Indian businessmen into Pakistan and vice-versa.


and

Third, for trade to grow there is no other alternative than economic dialogue. The 2004 composite dialogue, in its five rounds till 2012, led to a series of trade facilitation measures such as change from positive to negative list, amendments in maritime protocol and bilateral confidence building measures. There is a need for such dialogues to continue if trade between both countries is to be seen as a peace initiative.


Perhaps someone should inform this sycophant and his half-italian princeling that 26/11 took place while all of the above were in place, when MMS was chanting "peace at any cost" and "a strong and stable pakistan is in India's interests"...all of these scumbags have been bought out by the pakis wholesale it appears.

Of course, this wanker recognizes that pakis will commit terrorism in India, and is ever ready to blame "non state actors" just like the rest of the "secular" INC wankers in India. Disavowing the paki army of all blame even before they commit terrorist acts in India -- true mark of a patriot, wot?

It can reduce the appetite for hard line positions and rhetoric by linking economic interests and prosperity of people on both sides to a great extent. Of course terrorists will try to sabotage this by hitting it where it hurts the most and will attack trade/economic initiatives between India and Pakistan.


Looks like the INC scum have opened another "think tank" these days:
Riya Sinha, international relations expert, and Shehzad Poonawalla, political activist, are founding members of Policy Samvad, a Delhi based think-tank.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby shaun » 04 Sep 2015 19:12

This thread is a real eye opener , shows how compromised is our "elite class" . Sir can we list them one by one along with the farticle they have come up ??

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 19:23

^^^^^Read it somewhere in BR that Shehzad Poonawala's brother is married to Robert Vadra's sister. The paki's and their indian collaborators have taken to getting into political/influential family's, then starting or becoming part of NGO's/Think(Septic) tank's to manage and shape opinions.

Another Think-Tank started by Thapar's has Lalit Thapar's sisters kids - Naina Lal Kidwai and Nonita Lal Qureshi as members of the board. These women are married to Pakis. Naina Lal is the head-honcho at Standard Chartered. Nonita Lal was the leading women golfer of India and her husband is ex national champion of pakistan has been living up the good life and lording over in Delhi since last 15 years.

Catch the drift?
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 19:29

Vipul wrote:
This point is negated forcefully by Kasuri in the interview saying we rejected the Indian demand to declare the LOC as international boundaries and also that pakistan did not want status quo to which india agreed.


He is clearly presenting only one side of the story. And what better way to drive a wedge between Indians? Isn't this thread evidence of that too?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 19:36

Driving a wedge between Indian would not help them in any way as India agreeing on the 4 point plan is like paki wet dream coming true.That is going to be the most favorable possible outcome from the paksitani point of view. So Kasuri would have liked nothing better than the negation of LOC as IB. If LOC is IB then what is in it for pakistan? What gains have they made??

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 04 Sep 2015 19:37

Tuvaluan wrote:Nice to see Christine Fair defence of Robin Raphael -- glad that she reveals where is coming from, so Indians don't fall for her "Scholarship on India", when that happens.


Where does she do this? Any link?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Shreeman » 04 Sep 2015 19:48

Here is the reason there is still a bakistan problem, and will remain until bakistan disolves purely by accident -- the bolitical leaders have never feared for themselves during/because of a war.

Sure IG, RG, AZAB, ZAH died unnaturally, but in ways they did not foresee. Its not a gadhafi, hussain, assad, or even mubarak future regardless of the outcome. So, whenever there is a conflict that threatens to resolve the issue once and for all -- shimla, tashkent, lahore -- discussions happen and a "face saving" formula comes up. So it will be in the future. Only interlocuters will change.

This is the gist, the inter-marriages, back channel, chai biscuit, track 2 etc are ways of employing progeny who arent going to make it politically. Unless this changes, this crude entertainment will go on. Degrading the value of individual lives. Each time.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 20:01

CRamS wrote:Where does she do this? Any link?


Check her twitter timeline from today

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 20:04

Shreeman wrote:This is the gist, the inter-marriages, back channel, chai biscuit, track 2 etc are ways of employing progeny who arent going to make it politically. Unless this changes, this crude entertainment will go on. Degrading the value of individual lives. Each time.


Indeed, saar. These New Delhi elite scum get to make money for their extended tribe at the expense of Indian lives, and they are in the driver's seat when it comes to paki policy, or at least have a huge influence on the drivers. They even have their minions run think tanks all over the country, where the likes of Hussain Haqqani and worse are wined and dined and allowed to give lectures to young kids who don't know any better.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Paul » 04 Sep 2015 20:06

The Thapar sisters...both married to Muslims, living good life in Lutyens. It does not appear Naina Lal Kidwai is married to a Paki



Muslims have scored some terrific goals thru this high level love Jehad, Akram Zaki a paki diplomat was married to Nepal's rulng PM Koirala's sister in the 50s. Raja of Mahmudabad a chief advocate of Pakistan married Indian FS Jagat Mehta's daughter.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 20:44

‏@CChristineFair Another Indian who knows nothing about her blathering on an expert [Robin Raphael] as if he's her biographer. Pathetically lame.

@CChristineFair
Like it or not US policy has not officially changed on Kashmir. Not [Robin Raphael]'s doing. She executed policy. Did not make it


We all knew this, but just to point out that Christine Fair and her ilk are no better than the Robin Raphaels. Safe to say we all know more about RR's shenanigans in India than CF -- RR created the islamist scum in the Hurriyat, and all this is official US policy by CF's admission. US is India's strategic partner, my foot, definitely not in near-abroad India policy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 04 Sep 2015 20:57

Vipul wrote:Driving a wedge between Indian would not help them in any way as India agreeing on the 4 point plan is like paki wet dream coming true.That is going to be the most favorable possible outcome from the paksitani point of view. So Kasuri would have liked nothing better than the negation of LOC as IB. If LOC is IB then what is in it for pakistan? What gains have they made??


My understanding of the MMS Paki love fest is that what India gets is LoC == IB as a soft border, with TSP getting a foot hold in the valley (joint sovereignty); Steve Coll describes this love fest in his book which we discussed here. Cutting through the blather, it essentially amounts to giving TSP the valley in slow motion because remember, TSP also wants economic integration with India, so the "concession" they made to MMS is we (TSP) won't rub your nose in the mud by demanding that we have a surrender signing ceremony in downtown Srinagar, a "concession" that MMS and his Italian madam and Cong slaves could have sold to Indian public as win win, with US bahadur proclaiming "great power" status to India, and Burka bibi holding a "South Asia brotherhood" town-hall meeting on UndY.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 20:58

Paul wrote:The Thapar sisters...both married to Muslims, living good life in Lutyens. It does not appear Naina Lal Kidwai is married to a Paki



Muslims have scored some terrific goals thru this high level love Jehad, Akram Zaki a paki diplomat was married to Nepal's rulng PM Koirala's sister in the 50s. Raja of Mahmudabad a chief advocate of Pakistan married Indian FS Jagat Mehta's daughter.


Admiral Ramdas's daughter married a Paki and since then he has become a paki advocate.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 21:05

Did some research and it now turns out that the only "Indian" ambassador in Shitland - G Parthsarthy was there during 1998-2000.So that was under NDA rule. Seems like the Congi Goons did a systematic search of Jaichands and Mir Jafars in the Indian Foreign Service each time an appointment of a new ambassador was due in Shitistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 04 Sep 2015 21:11

Vipul wrote:What is wrong with all diplomats who have been ex-ambassadors to shitland? From Mani Shankar Iyer, to KC Singh, to S K Lambah, Bhadrakumar. Have these guys been so successfully turned around (Honeytrapped by ISI)?

The only sane guy who has donned that role and come out normal is G. Parthasarathy.


GP of course is an excellent spokesman for Indian interests compared to the other filth and with a heavy heart I include KC Singh in the list of filth after his most recent metamorphosis into a ModiJi bashing idelouge, , but he (GP) praises MushRat a tad too much for my taste. He keeps referring to that bogus 2004 slumbad declaration with Vajpayee where MushRat mentions TSP territory won't be used for terror against India. And even the late B.Raman dissected that agreement and said MushRat carefully avoids terror in Kashmir as outside the ambit of "India". Also, GP while not overtly critical of ModiJi, nevertheless disapproves of calling of talks with TSP last Aug over meeting with Harried rats. Finally, there was one thappad show where thappad was aggressively condescending on GP; when thappad talked about Kashmir as westerners do (in his phony western accent), and GP said, please be careful and say J&K belongs to India to which Thappd patted GP down saying the whole world says Kashmir is disputed and asked GP to shut up. GP just smiled and left it at that, I would have rather he walked out of the show in protest. These discrepancies apart, GP is always a breath of fresh air.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 21:17

Vipul wrote:Driving a wedge between Indian would not help them in any way as India agreeing on the 4 point plan is like paki wet dream coming true.That is going to be the most favorable possible outcome from the paksitani point of view. So Kasuri would have liked nothing better than the negation of LOC as IB. If LOC is IB then what is in it for pakistan? What gains have they made??


Free entry into J&K, Kashmiri board overviewing Indian water projects, Pakistani monitors in Kashmir all over the place, withdrawal of Indian troops from J&K - these were all things that Kasuri mentioned.

I'm being repetitive, but listening to Kasuri or Musharraf or any other Pakistani on J&K is like listening to them expound the 101 fault-lines in India that will rupture given just a little Pakistani push, and how they are not doing it in the interests of peace, and because they are big-hearted. Please don't take any Pakistani assessment of anything at face value.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 21:19

^^Thappad's lineage is ample proof of why he is what he is. Like many lobbyists Thapad thrives at being an influence agent and is more then open to playing with anti-india elements if it further's his interests.

Check this: Despicable creature getting a dose of his own medicine.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 21:22

Vipul wrote:Driving a wedge between Indian would not help them in any way as India agreeing on the 4 point plan is like paki wet dream coming true.That is going to be the most favorable possible outcome from the paksitani point of view. So Kasuri would have liked nothing better than the negation of LOC as IB. If LOC is IB then what is in it for pakistan? What gains have they made??


Well, the whole point of Kasuri's narrative (at least the one he gave to Najam Sethi, I didn't listen to what he said on Dunya) is that Musharraf lost power before he could realize this wet dream. Anyway, what we know is that the Kabul embassy bombing and Mumbai 26/11 happened after this , which means that apart from Kasuri and co., the Pakistani Army and ISI were not interested in this "paki wet dream". If it was such a great deal, even after kicking out Musharraf the Pakis would have tried pursuing the deal.

Please judge desis by their behavior, not by what Pakistanis say about them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Vipul » 04 Sep 2015 21:32

Pakistani Army was on-board on the wet dream till the negotiations were progressing well (for pakistan) and they lost interest and did not follow through on this deal as soon as it became clear to them that Indian Army will not agree to vacating Siachen or demilitarizing and that the deal was not going to happen. So after telling Kasuri "raat gayi baat gayi" (per his admission) they did Kabul embassy bombing, 26/11 etc etc.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Peregrine » 04 Sep 2015 22:16

Vipul wrote:^^^^^Read it somewhere in BR that Shehzad Poonawala's brother is married to Robert Vadra's sister. The paki's and their indian collaborators have taken to getting into political/influential family's, then starting or becoming part of NGO's/Think(Septic) tank's to manage and shape opinions.


Vipul Ji :

Robert Vadra's Sister - Michelle - died in 2001.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Sep 2015 22:23

I do not know about Tehseen Poonawala's romantic life, but he has tweeted about having intellikill discussions in private parties with Rahul Gandhi. An absolute tool of a person.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Rajdeep » 04 Sep 2015 22:41

The Roka Function of Congress supporter Tehseen Poonawalla and Robert Vadra’s cousin Monika Vadra saw many familiar faces from the Gandhi family. The ceremony was held on Sunday at Robert Vadra’s residence in New Delhi.
http://www.newsroompost.com/172575/tehseen-poonawalla-monica-vadra-set-marry/
Tehseen is a well known businessman and Congress Party supporter whereas Ms. Monika Vadra is the cousin sister of Robert Vadra, who is husband to Priyanka Gandhi.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Dipanker » 04 Sep 2015 23:06

Vipul wrote:Driving a wedge between Indian would not help them in any way as India agreeing on the 4 point plan is like paki wet dream coming true.That is going to be the most favorable possible outcome from the paksitani point of view. So Kasuri would have liked nothing better than the negation of LOC as IB. If LOC is IB then what is in it for pakistan? What gains have they made??



Then they get to keep the 45% of state of Jammu & Kashmir which they have been illegally occupying since 1947, something India should not accept.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby member_23370 » 04 Sep 2015 23:15

A_Gupta wrote:More Kasuri - towards the end, predicts Modi will be a dove, maybe in his second term.
http://www.awaztoday.tv/News-Talk-Shows ... -2015.aspx

IMO, these back channel negotiations convince the Pakistani Army that if they can get so much by unforced negotiations, India will yield much more with their jihadi pressure.



The duffer is flying kites. One thing to notice..the pakis know Modi will be PM a second term and there is nothing their collective pimps in media, IFS or other Aman ki pasha vermins can do about it. Hopefully Modi has both LS and RS under control then and can finish the unfinished business of 71'.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Falijee » 04 Sep 2015 23:28

US takes Pakistan into confidence :?: over anti-IS alliance[*]

[*] More rent money on the way :mrgreen:

The new alliance, called ‘Sahel to South Asia’ is expected to be announced soon by the White House.

“Pakistan has been consulted by the US at the highest level,” :roll: according to a top government official.

Pakistan will take a formal decision after conducting consultations with all domestic stakeholders over joining the alliance, added the official.[*]

[*] Beggars cant be choosers :lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby A_Gupta » 04 Sep 2015 23:43

I was a bit dismissive of the possible refugee crisis that would happen if Pakistan continues on its current path of neglecting basic human development, overspending on its military, not mitigating its population explosion, and running short of water. This after seeing the much smaller Syrian refugee crisis in Europe. I think some long range thinking is needed; I'm not sure what effective measures are possible.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby MurthyB » 04 Sep 2015 23:54

Asylum seeking Muslims converting to Christianity in Germany

Most said their decision was based on belief, but one young Iranian woman said she was convinced most people had joined the church only to improve their chances for asylum.


Note the neutral tone of the article. If a Yindoo starts doing the same thing, there will be a sh!tstorm of petitions and farticles shrieking Modi, 2002, Babri, Godse etc.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 05 Sep 2015 00:02

Dipanker wrote:Then they get to keep the 45% of state of Jammu & Kashmir which they have been illegally occupying since 1947, something India should not accept.


Exactly. The surrender monkeys in the MEA were actually willing to accept LoC (and maybe they still are) as IB even as the pakis are talking about the International border with Jammu as a "working boundary". Handing territory to pakis will not resolve anything -- it will just prove to themselves that they can frack with Indians without facing any consequences...reinforcing past precedents set by the patsy soft state of ours.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby CRamS » 05 Sep 2015 02:00

TSP talks tough in response to US talking tough, but as Michael Kugleman says, US is not about to dump TSP completely

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/04/pla ... -pakistan/

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby chetak » 05 Sep 2015 02:13

Tuvaluan wrote:Shehzad Poonawala, well known crony of Rahul Gandhi, writes "can business ties with pakistan fix the situation"... a lot traitorous termites in the INC if this line is being thrown out at this time, when Paki army and govt. are in no mood for trade ties.



they may even be sambandis. Tehseen poonawalla is married to vadra's sister.

Shehzad Poonawala and Tehseen poonawalla are brothers and active in congi page 3 culture

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby partha » 05 Sep 2015 03:27

http://www.dawn.com/news/1204920/psl-akram-raja-to-be-ambassadors-as-gayle-and-kp-appear-on-radar
PSL: Akram, Raja to be ambassadors as Gayle and KP appear on radar

PSL: another scam in the making with fake news reports to keep the hopes alive. Come Feb 2015, there won't be any league. This has happened before.

I'm surprised IPL has no clause in its contracts to prevent IPL coaches from associating themselves with another league.

According to an official present in a PCB meeting on Friday, Sri Lanka captain Angelo Mathews and star bowler Lasith Malinga have also expressed an interest in being part of the PSL after the names of 15 initial targets were revealed on Thursday.

hmm..using phrases like "names of 15 initial targets were revealed" especially when talking about Sri Lankan players, might scare them away. :rotfl:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Anujan » 05 Sep 2015 03:34

I find Kasuri's statement highly suspect. One of the points he says was agreed upon was having people from Cashmere to adjudicate waters of the indus. Which means abrogating the Indus water treaty, because such a mechanism of decision making is not present in the treaty at all. Indus water treaty has its own dynamic, Pakis certainly do not want to abrogate it. How much ever "trustworthy" Kashmiris might be, the fact is that Indus water sharing has been by the book. Even during the 65, 71 and Kargil war and during ups and downs of Khalistan and JK terrorism from Pakistan. Successive Indus water commissioners from Pakistan have attested to this. Kasuri wants a new set of people and a new treaty for water sharing? That sounds insane even for Pakis.

Also (pakis themselves know this), people of JK feel shortchanged by Pakis vis-a-vis waters of the Indus. More so, people of PoK. Dams submerge their lands, but PakJab reaps water and electricity benefits. If people of JK and PoK sit on decisions vis-a-vis water, they'd want all the water and power to themselves. Suits India just fine (after all, water and electricity is going to JK and not to the Pakis). Wont suit Pakjabis at all.

What we have here is a pattern. Pakis come out and regularly convince everyone that Pakis had a great deal that was inches away from being signed. This is similar to "Obama is visiting Isloo soon!! 100 matches to be played in Pakistan!!" etc etc which ultimately prove to be total bogus. This is more insidious in the sense that some Indians get swayed and use whatever Pakis do as propaganda as a starting point (open borders!! Joint administration!! Demilitarize Siachen!! Uninterruptible dialog!! etc etc). The fact is, even LBS (portrayed by Pakis as short dark dhoti shiver prime minister) has written letters asking Pakis to F-off, there will be no plebicite and they can go screw themselves. I am not sure why India needs to make so many "concessions" now, what exactly are we getting in return?

We should come out and say that Pakis were ready to give up claims to PoK, and agree to joint administration of Gilgit-Baltistan in return for Indians reducing forces on Siachen and international border. Also Pakis agreed to prosecute all criminals wanted by India and agreed to pay compensation for terror victims. This agreement was almost signed when Musharraf was deposed by his own army chief, as Kayani rode up to his house and had him removed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby partha » 05 Sep 2015 03:41

Anujan wrote:We should come out and say that Pakis were ready to give up claims to PoK, and agree to joint administration of Gilgit-Baltistan in return for Indians reducing forces on Siachen and international border. This agreement was almost signed when Musharraf was deposed by his own army chief, as Kayani rode up to his house and had him removed.

I think the recent article in "The Hindu" by former RAW officer AK Verma did this very well. It claimed Zia had agreed for a Siachen resolution in favor of India but he was killed by GHQ.8)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 05 Sep 2015 06:13

Vipul wrote:Naina Lal is the head-honcho at Standard Chartered.

Vipul, Naina Lal Kidwai is in HSBC and has been there for a very long time. She is not married to a Paki.

The Paki tentacles into India are deep and long whether by nature or by design. Our ex-Peesident Zakir Hussain's brother moved to Pakistan and became a federal minister there. The Pataudi family is well known. One of Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi's cousins is Shaharyar Khan who was Foreign Secretary in Pakistan and who used to issue nuclear threats to us. He is currently involved in Track-II diplomacy. Similarly, our ex-CJI, Hidayatullah's brother was Ikramullah who was Pakistan's foreign secretary as well.

The families maintained/maintain close linkages. I wonder what it would be like at dinner time!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby SSridhar » 05 Sep 2015 06:16

Tuvaluan wrote:Nice to see Christine Fair defence of Robin Raphael -- glad that she reveals where is coming from, so Indians don't fall for her "Scholarship on India", when that happens.

Tuvaluan, I have always been suspicious of her intentions. I simply do not feel comfortable with her extended stay in India at all.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Postby Tuvaluan » 05 Sep 2015 06:22

Tuvaluan, I have always been suspicious of her intentions. I simply do not feel comfortable with her extended stay in India at all.


Totally agree, saar. She seems to focus on Punjab and the North East, and does not care much about the south. She claims to have done her Ph.D. on Punjab, so this North East "research" is what may be a future topic of interest for her. Not to mention, her line is "I love pakis, just not the pakistani army"...so..

The thing is, if Robin Raphael was just following govt. policy, then that policy was run by the Clintons, as it during Clinton's presidency, but CFair also tries to sell the Clintons as some sort of pro-India chums, and then makes random claims about how the clintons were the ones who worked hard to get the US close to India, which is all utter BS to anyone who has been watching. Maybe she is just a clueless academic, but somehow I doubt that...something quite devious about her.

Like how she insists that saying Robin Raphael played a central role in the formation of the Hurriyat is a "conspiracy theory" and amounts to "slander and libel" against RR. :roll: Glad CF is totally exposing herself to Indians who may be watching...not that many of them have a clue about RR's shenanigans.

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More silliness and conspiracies from the mangphalli gallery.


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but if policy is wrong it is her duty to advise govt against it. Did she not help huriyat leaders?


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