Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

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Pak Army "Racked Over The Coal " Over Charsadda Attack By Paki Daily !
Charsadda attack: It is time to ask Pakistan Army some hard questions
Whatever the military demanded, civilian government gave – from military courts to foreign policy, everything has been under control of Army. But what are the results beyond photo-ops and extensive PR gains? :rotfl:
A month after Pakistan observed the first anniversary of the deadly APS Peshawar attack, Islamist terrorists belonging to the banned TTP have struck again – this time at Bacha Khan University in Charsadda.
According to the latest updates, 21 people have been killed in the attacks with over 60 injured. Law enforcement agencies have cleared the premises, killing 4 terrorists.
This attack on another educational institution holds a lot of symbolic value. This is the third major attack in KPK in a month – all after Army’s continuous propagation of ‘phenomenal success’ and ‘broken backbones of terrorists’ in Zarb-e-Azb.

Echoing what many in this forum, have been saying for long !
20th January is the death anniversary of Bacha Khan, a true humanist and preacher of non-violence. ( and who was jailed by the Paki authorities many times for his philosophy of reconcilation !)The attack took place when students had gathered to commemorate his death anniversary.
The attack on university, followed by quick condemnations, calls for swift investigations and ISPR blowing the trumpet of Army’s operation. Chief of Army Staff has arrived to the university, PM Nawaz Sharif and CM KPK, Pervez Khattak are on their way.
The question: What happens next?
(probably, more glorification of "Raheel" and more intense air attacks !)
An APC will be called, joint committee will be formed, followed by announcement of culprits to be brought to justice. End. :rotfl:
Readers should note that this paper is one of the most strident anti-India daily and is "forever" trumpeting the so-called "Ideology of Pakistan" :mrgreen:
Banned organizations are still operating freely. The government bans an organization, it emerges with a new name, contests elections and even wins seats. LeT, banned in 2002, changed its name to JuD and still working freely under the guise of a welfare trust – often along with Pakistan Army in cases of emergency.
Lal Masjid is located at three minutes’ drive from the HQ of country’s premiere spy agency, where Mullah Abdul Aziz, a known terrorist and law-offender, unleashes threats against the state, refuses to bow down to the Constitution but still remains at large. To make it worse, country’s Interior Minister lies on the floor of the National Assembly, saying there has been no case registered against Mullah Aziz. :shock:
I am 400% sure that this Anal-ist will see a visit to his house/office by the reps of the Deep State :P
After the Pathankot attacks, Pakistan has announced action against banned JeM, closing down its offices and taking its leadership into ‘protective custody’. Banned since 2002, the government must answer the simple question: why did it wait for 14 years to take action?
The average response after this attack is exactly the same as any other in the past. ‘They are not Muslims’, ‘terrorism has no religion’, ‘it is a conspiracy of RAW’ and so on. Such oversimplified, sweeping statements have become a part of national discourse in Pakistan.
Not an hour into the attack and many in the media, responsible for narrative building, started pointing their fingers towards India.
The most ridiculous of all has been the response of Ansar Abbasi, who blamed the Indian intelligence, RAW for backing TTP terrorists. This is the same man who has, for years, defended the ideology of TTP and advocated dialogue with them.
So, RAA has not been excluded; that would only mean that the "Pakis are still playing the same broken record"!
The same TTP was considering Orya Maqbool Jan and Ansar Abbasi as their negotiators.
Now, the question is, if TTP is being backed by Indian RAW, has Mr. Abbasi been supporting enemies of Pakistan for years?
Giving sweeping statements like ‘terrorists are not Muslims’ is not going to take us anywhere. It is about time we stop being in denial and realize that they are Muslims and they do follow an interpretation of Islam.
:eek:
Whatever the military demanded, civilian government gave – from military courts to foreign policy, everything has been under control of Army. But what are the results beyond photo-ops and extensive PR gains?
Lastly, stop using adjectives such as 'resilient', 'brave', 'heroes', 'courageous' – please stop glorifying the dead children. Please. They were not resilient. Or brave. They were students. They never saw this coming – were murdered in cold blood by the hands of Islamist terrorists. There is no glory in it but sheer helplessness.
Until Paki civil society wakes up ( and this will require a life time of "no propaganda/ no brainwashing education" ) and says enough is enough, and curbs military domination of society, nothing will be done ! Too many vested interests at stake !
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Pakistan should show Mumbai spirit and hold candle light vigils in Peshawar.

* All the better to guide drones from US.
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Ex Pakistan Home Minister Rehman Malik ,( And British Passport Holder !) Blames India For Charsadda Attack
India, Manohar Parrikar behind university terror attack
Former Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik has blamed India for the terror attack on Bacha Khan University in Charsadda, northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province today. The Pakistani Taliban first took the responsibility for the attack in which 25 people were killed but later denied its involvement.
"We should not take the threat of India's defense ministry lightly. Indian agency R&AW is behind the attack on Bacha Khan University. They have reached at an understanding with Tehrik-e-Taliban," Malik told a news channel.
"Jo Indian defence minister ne kaha...How dare he talk about us...hum kahte hain ki Bacha University unhone karwaya hai," Malik said.
Jaish-e-Mohammad is not involved in attack on Pathankot air base and these attacks have been carried out by people from India. Indian intelligence agency R&AW does not want that relations are improved between Pakistan and India. Whenever the Modi government has tried to hold talks, R&AW has thwarted such moves," he added.
Last week, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had said that the country has run out of its capacity to tolerate acts of terror and that he, too, as the Defence Minister, can't tolerate it anymore.
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Well, paki scum are behaving exactly as expected, do an equal-equal and insist talks must go on, just like in the 90s. This PM and NSA need to answer why they went down this path of idiocy of mending fences with Pakistan instead of the ignoring the paki scum...of course, not too late to get back to ignoring them and cutting contact, not withstanding the flatulence of brookings tools like Shiv Shankar Menon.
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shiv wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/cheat-sheet/terror- ... ts-1267843
......................."We saw three terrorists shouting, 'Allah is great!' and rushing towards the stairs of our department," said a male student to reporters.
Terrorism has no religion my left testimonial.
It seems that some students were sitting in class chanting 'Allah is great!' when terrorists rushed in shouting 'Allah is great!' followed a short time later by the valorous Pakistani Army yelling 'Allah is great!'.

In the ensuing free for all, all three parties were freely yelling 'Allah is great!' making it unclear whether the students were practicing Pakistani science, the terrorists attempting to sign up for a free course unavailable on Coursera, or if the Pakistan Army was looking for recruits. There was no terrorism whatsoever.
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Syed Salahuddin warns Pakistan against crackdown

MUZAFFARABAD: The chief of alliance fighting for an end to Indian rule in divided Kashmir openly condemned on Wednesday a crackdown by the government against another group India blames for an attack on an air base.

Syed Salahuddin, the chairman of the United Jihad Council (UJC), an alliance of groups based in the Pakistani-administered Kashmir, had claimed responsibility for the assault in Pathankot on January 2.

The claim of responsibility was met with a sceptical response among India’s security establishment, which blames another group called Jaish-e-Mohammed.

Last week, security forces arrested the head of Jaish-e-Mohammed as well as several other leaders of the group and shut down offices and seminaries linked to the outfit.

“We are at a loss to understand whether they (the government) are concerned about the interests of the country that feeds them or that of its enemy?,” Salahuddin told a news conference, referring to the government’s crackdown.

“Pakistan is not only an advocate but also a party to the longstanding Kashmir dispute and therefore the Pakistani people, government and media should play the role of a patron rather than of an adversary,” he said, while speaking at the Press Club in Muzzafarabad.

Following the January 2 attack on the Indian air base, the United Jihad Council had warned that their attacks “can engulf all of India” if the issue of Kashmir’s divided rule is not resolved.

Since the attack in Pathankot, the government has said it is clamping down on Jaish-e-Mohammed, which India has long accused Pakistan of tolerating, while it investigates Indian assertions that the attack was the work of the militants based in Pakistan.

India has demanded that Pakistan take action against the group and last week announced that the two countries would reschedule talks between their foreign ministers while the investigation into the air base attack was carried out.
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Baikul wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/cheat-sheet/terror- ... ts-1267843
......................."We saw three terrorists shouting, 'Allah is great!' and rushing towards the stairs of our department," said a male student to reporters. Terrorism has no religion my left testimonial.
It seems that some students were sitting in class chanting 'Allah is great!' when terrorists rushed in shouting 'Allah is great!' followed a short time later by the valorous Pakistani Army yelling 'Allah is great!'.
Hope its appropriate description Paki-fixation on AoA
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I noted while watching Pak TV cooking shows the hostesses dressed from modern to burkha were muttering Inshallah for even putting water in the flour to make a batter.

I thought it was lack of confidence to invoke Allah to mix batter just in case it becomes an IeD Muabrrak.

I guess A hu A and IA are interchangeable?
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^ AoA onlee .. :mrgreen:
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Any Pak tv footage of guerillas in the mist?
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It's official, we did the Charsadda attack:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/2 ... dda-attack

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The pakis seem to believe these counteraccusations of India also being a terrorist sponsor will allow them to continue terrorism in India while holding talks with India, and an excuse to not do what India has asked them re: pathankot. Now they will ask India for all the details of the charsadda attack and use that as an excuse to not cooperate on Pathankot. IMO, this govt will stick to its stand of progress on Pathankot for resumption of FS level talks, but who knows.
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The emerging implanted news stories of India being behind the Bachcha Khan Uni attack clearly show that the attack was stage-managed by the Deep State for the following reasons:
  • To create the sympathy of Pakistan being equally a victim of terrorism
  • To divert attention away from even the slow-paced Pathankot enquiry and go even slower
  • To create an impression that India is also involved in terrorism
  • As a counter pressure point on India in the discourse
  • To create doubts in the minds of Indians that GoI is also up to mischief and therefore we cannot blame Pakistan alone
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Pakis have been mass bombing and now drone-striking their own citizens Man, Women, and Child left and right for several years now.

This is simply the accumulation of backlash created from all those innocent casualties of war. Blaming this on India is their only scapegoat to suppress the truth on their War Crimes.
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Wotsissain wrote:The pakis seem to believe these counteraccusations of India also being a terrorist sponsor will allow them to continue terrorism in India while holding talks with India, and an excuse to not do what India has asked them re: pathankot. Now they will ask India for all the details of the charsadda attack and use that as an excuse to not cooperate on Pathankot. IMO, this govt will stick to its stand of progress on Pathankot for resumption of FS level talks, but who knows.
When terrorists attack Indian targets, Modi's brother's uncle in law- chief doctor of Delhi circumcises the corpses and puts Pakistani stuff in their pockets to show they are Pakistani.

In the case of Pakistan they will have to show that the men were circumcized - obviously by Indians and prove that they wore Saffron bands around their wrists proving their Hindu background. Then India can ask for Indian investigation teams to visit Pakistan. Of course Pakis won;t be allowed in the Pathankot airbase and Indian investigators can stay outside the university walls. Justice will be done that way.
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World's most professional army's spokesperson being professional in yesterday's press meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTLn0B0NCqg#t=15m25s

Shows massive underlying frustration & takleef.
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Rohit_K wrote:World's most professional army's spokesperson being professional in yesterday's press meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTLn0B0NCqg#t=15m25s

Shows massive underlying frustration & takleef.
Absolutely. The man is almost in tears the mofo. He is on the defensive throughout.
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SSridhar wrote:The emerging implanted news stories of India being behind the Bachcha Khan Uni attack clearly show that the attack was stage-managed by the Deep State for the following reasons:
  • To create the sympathy of Pakistan being equally a victim of terrorism
  • To divert attention away from even the slow-paced Pathankot enquiry and go even slower
  • To create an impression that India is also involved in terrorism
  • As a counter pressure point on India in the discourse
  • To create doubts in the minds of Indians that GoI is also up to mischief and therefore we cannot blame Pakistan alone
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most 5 year olds (and above) in India know the paki game by now; to dilute the narrative of paki terrorism it "showcases" terrorism on it's own soil and yells from the rooftops that it too is a victim and Hindu/Jews/Yankees are all like us terrorists only.

And Indian media and "intellectuals" are the first ones to fall for it for reasons unknown.
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GunterH wrote:And Indian media and "intellectuals" are the first ones to fall for it for reasons unknown.
They don't "fall" for it. They actively grab it (or make it up as they go along) and choose to run with it to deliberately obfuscate the facts, for reasons that have been well discussed and discoursed here and elsewhere.
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Coffee-spill alert. :rotfl:
sanjaykumar wrote:Any Pak tv footage of guerillas in the mist?
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Kashi wrote:
GunterH wrote:And Indian media and "intellectuals" are the first ones to fall for it for reasons unknown.
They don't "fall" for it. They actively grab it (or make it up as they go along) and choose to run with it to deliberately obfuscate the facts, for reasons that have been well discussed and discoursed here and elsewhere.
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
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Salahuddin has reached the nadir of a terrorist's career: he claims 'credit' for the Pathankot attack, and no one pays the slightest attention. :rotfl:
OK, don't cry, I paid attention..

Wonder if Shiv Sena or DandaPani Arvind Singh Dissanayake Yindoo Tiger Front could take 'credit' for this Inspecteur KaBaccha attack, just for the heck of it. In the spirit of Peace and Brotherhood?
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UlanBatori wrote: DandaPani Arvind Singh Dissanayake Yindoo Tiger Front
Scary. DassDissYT is on the rise again. Even moderate Hindus like me will be massacred
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ramana wrote:I noted while watching Pak TV cooking shows the hostesses dressed from modern to burkha were muttering Inshallah for even putting water in the flour to make a batter.

I thought it was lack of confidence to invoke Allah to mix batter just in case it becomes an IeD Muabrrak.

I guess A hu A and IA are interchangeable?

how would the passengers on an aircraft feel if the effing pilot keeps saying IA after every radio transmission ?? :twisted: and that's exactly what all islamic pilots say.

not very confidence inspiring.
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shiv wrote:
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
Scary to think that India continued in the same fashion post '47. Why is this important is because Pakis always wanted to be in the same mix but were denied incestuous access to Luytens Delhi except for under the Burkha. The only difference from 1800's was that Muslim rulers were replaced by Rulers with Hindu sounding names but with affinity towards Muslims and Ganga-Jamuna Lifestyle.
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shiv wrote:
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
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ACRPR: A New Research Project to Break India
ACRPR: A New Research Project to Break India
The Western way, now represented by the human rights lobby, becomes the only moral paradigm.
Pankaj Saxena @https://twitter.com/PankajSaksena
Demography (Persecution & Proselytisation) | 19-01-2016


This is the first part of a series on ACRPR.

A Report from Hell

In October 2015, a project focused on India titled, Armed Conflict Resolution and People’s Rights (ACRPR), housed at Center for Social Sector Leadership in Haas School of Business, University of Berkeley, California published a report co-authored and edited by Indian and Western scholars.[1] The report focused on ‘State cruelty’ and India’s ‘human rights violations’ against ‘combatants’ and ‘minority groups’.

The Project minces no words about its hostility against the Indian Government, the Indian State, the BJP, Narendra Modi and the larger Hindu community as a whole. It quite openly accuses them of genocide.

The Project focuses on Gujarat riots of 2002, Odisha violence involving Christian missionaries in 2007-08, the anti-Sikh riots of 1984 and the Kashmir problem. The report “indicts” the Indian government, state, the current ruling party, the Prime Minister and the entire Hindu community in the most severe and hostile terms.

The report will be discussed later in this series, but in short, here is how it depicts India where:

every street corner is littered with the raped and mutilated bodies of Dalits, Adivasis and Muslims;
every second Hindu male is a rapist and murderer;
the primary occupation of the Indian Army is to kill Muslims and bury them in mass graves, Nazi style;
every Hindu organization is genocide-machine, out to execute a ‘final solution’ for the Muslims;
the State terrorizes, tortures and murders its citizens relentlessly.
The report portrays an India which will put Hell to shame.

But the report does not stop merely at analysis. It recommends a ‘positive course of action’, to prevent ‘future mishaps’. The recommendations are so radical in nature that if implemented, they will cause massive riots in India, resulting in great bloodshed and violence. These recommendations are capable of pitting entire communities against each other, baying for blood.


And so the initial questions one needs to ask are these:

Can such a report be born out of genuine interest in scholarship and service?
Who are the sponsors behind these projects?
What are the agendas of the people and institutions involved?
What is the need for such penetrative ‘intervention’ of a Western university in Indian domestic affairs?
What were the origins of such Western interventions in Indian affairs?
Before we go into the details of the primary questions, it is imperative to look at the origins of such Western interventions in Indian affairs.

Divisive Colonial Theories

When the British colonized India they were basking in their new-found pride of racial superiority, a spurious theory promoted as “scientific” by academicians. White was good; every other color was bad. This ‘pride’ of Europe and Europeans soon evolved into full-blooded, violent racism. How it culminated in the Holocaust is common knowledge.

In India, racism never reached the low it did elsewhere; but the British targeted and destroyed the Indian education system, supplanting it with English education. In the famous words of Macaulay, it made Indians more British than the British themselves.[2]

However, every ideology is bound to hit the roadblock of reality sooner or later, and the Eurocentric ideology of cultural superiority ran into a problem when the discovery of ancient civilizations, particularly in India, contradicted their version of history. European scholars responded to this challenge by distorting facts, and fitting them to suit their ideology.

In India, these scholars started misinterpreting Hindu scriptures to suit the colonial narrative. The Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) was the result of one such colonial initiative. Its aim was to prove that civilization was Europe’s gift to the world, one way or the other. Hindu scriptures, such as the Rig Veda, were ‘studied’ by European scholars and ‘evidence’ was found of white-skinned Aryans invading from outside and subjugating the dark-skinned Dravidians.[3]

The AIT also served the purpose of dividing India into north and south by positing the imaginary line between the north Indian “Aryans” and south Indian “Dravidians.” Many such ‘invasion theories’ were created all over the colonized world.

The invasion theories, in general, resulted in a lot of violence between various native groups whose identities were a creation of the European colonialists. The worst example of this was the Rwandan Genocide of 1994.[4] In India the AIT caused much bitterness between north Indians and south Indians. It has also given birth to secessionist movements.

Interventions: Colonialism Continued

After independence the former colonies of Europe started decolonizing their academic and cultural institutions. As a result, the Western academia in Europe and the United States also changed their stance, softening their colonial narrative in some cases and completely abandoning it in some others.

India under Nehru, instead of decolonization, reinforced it. Colonialist theories continued to be propagated as it suited the purpose of the new ruling class.

Under Indira Gandhi these colonialist ideologies morphed into institutional Hinduphobia. The colonial narrative continued untouched, in a slightly different guise of Hinduphobia.

As a consequence, Hindus lost the capability of looking at the world and themselves through their own cultural lens. They borrowed these same European ideas and started interpreting their own civilization through the eyes of the colonizer. The Hindu view of the world almost completely disappeared in the academia. The Hindu mind had become colonized and in many ways, still continues to do so.

As anti-Hinduism gained ground, these theories found new strength. Consequently, the Western academia also continued to look at Hindu civilization through the colonial lens. Racialization and trivialization of Hindu culture and civilization continued apace.

If anything, the exoticization and trivialization of Hindu culture quickened pace in the modern era, with the advent of ‘scholars’ like Wendy Doniger who see only two ‘values’ in Hinduism: exotica and erotica.

India, in their view, is still that backwater of snake-charmers and naked fakirs walking on water, maybe worthy of a shelf in a western museum, but useless otherwise.

A second group of scholars, led by Michael Witzel, studying ‘ancient India’ is not more than a group of Aryan Invasionists/ Migrationists, who, despite all the evidence in the world, keep propagating the myth in American academia and keep denying India its rightful place in history.

A third group of scholars are the Orientalist sensationalists like William Dalrymple who are only interested in India for its ‘Islam value’. For them India is just a synonym of the Mughal Empire: India attained greatness only under the Mughals, the Islamic silver-lining in an otherwise Hindu disaster.

The interest of another group of ‘political scientists’ and ‘anthropologists’ represented by Christophe Jaffrelot is only piqued by the ‘rise of majoritarianism in India’, ‘Hindu extremism’, ‘Hindu fundamentalism’ ‘minoritization’ and other such imaginary political problems. For them, anything happening in India is bad and everything bad is a consequence of the rise of Hindu fundamentalism.

Gradually these academics and their theories have become a tool through which, some ‘interventions’ are made in Indian society and State by foreign agents.

Academia: A Tool of Western Interventions

The academia became the most favorite tool of these interventions. This was achieved by setting up research institutes, research grants, academic chairs and scholarships in prestigious Western universities such as Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Berkeley, Oxford etc. with the sole aim of finding faults with Hindu culture and civilization.

‘Atrocity literature’ is produced based on the ‘findings’ of these research projects, detailing the ‘crimes’ of Hindu society; portraying how ‘cruel’ Hindu customs are; how ‘evil’ and ‘primitive’ Hinduism is; and how individuals are suffering in India.

India is gauged on the ‘human rights scale’; and so, the literature of such fact-finding missions, details how women are abused in India; howthe girl child is killed; how feticide is a rampant problem; how people are poor; how Dalits and Adivasis are mistreated; and how minorities are threatened.

No account of the indigenous culture and civilization is taken under consideration. No other way of looking at the indigenous society is admitted.

The Western way, now represented by the human rights lobby, becomes the only moral paradigm. The West has a theory of what constitutes a healthy and fulfilling life and any individual or society which does not fit in that paradigm is diagnosed as sick. Like Dr. Kapil Kapoor says, ‘West is theory, rest is data.’ The citizens of the Third World countries are just statistics in these theories.

The Goal of Research Projects on India

The goal of these interventions, as Rajiv Malhotra has explained, is to misappropriate and digest indigenous cultures into the dominant Western culture.[5]

Ultimately, the goal is to discredit the indigenous majority culture of a region and to prepare it for consumption by Christian and Islamic groups through conversion.

First the ‘plight’ of the ‘humans of India’ is depicted, and then on the basis of international ‘human rights’, interventions are made. Many such research institutes are exclusively dedicated to ‘redeem’ India and its ‘marginalized people’.

Columbia University is a hotbed of this activity. Many contemporary anti-Hindus including at least one generation of journalists have been trained here. (including burkha butt)

The Harvard University has created ‘The Kumbh Mela Project’. Rajiv Malhotra warns us that this is an effort to appropriate and digest another Hindu institution and phenomenon into the Judeo-Christian paradigm.

A primary goal of these research projects is to focus on how Hindu fundamentalism and Hindu majoritarianism are becoming a ‘threat’ for the nation’s minorities; how India is fast becoming Nazi Germany with Muslims as the new Jews.

The Gujarat riots of 2002 is the compulsory course for any such project. With Narendra Modi now at the helm of the country, the number and intensity of these research projects meant to intervene in Indian society and culture have increased manifold.

The Armed Conflict Resolution and People’s Rights, housed at the Center for Social Sector Leadership in the Haas School of Business, University of Berkeley, California is one such project. It does not stop at research and analysis. It recommends ‘procedures’ with necessary implementation, supervised by ‘international agencies’.

[The next part will analyze the mechanism of the Project; how it is funded by powerful corporate players; and how it plans to intervene in Indian affairs.]

Notes and References-

[1] <http://socialsector.haas.berkeley.edu/research/acr.html>

[2] Minute by the Hon’ble T. B. Macaulay, dated the 2nd February 1835. <http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/prit ... _1835.html>

[3] Frawley, David. The Myth of Aryan Invasion in India. New Delhi: Voice of India, 1997.

[4] The Rwandan Genocide. <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13431486>

[5] Malhotra, Rajiv. “Why the Kumbh Mela is at Risk.” Swarajya Magazine. 25 Nov, 2015.


Pankaj Saxena
Pankaj Saxena is a scholar of History, Hindu Architecture and Literature. He has visited more than 400 sites of ancient Hindu temples and has photographed the evidence. He’s also writes articles, research papers and reviews in various print and online newspapers and magazines and is the author of three books
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VikasRaina wrote:
shiv wrote:
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
Scary to think that India continued in the same fashion post '47. Why is this important is because Pakis always wanted to be in the same mix but were denied incestuous access to Luytens Delhi except for under the Burkha. The only difference from 1800's was that Muslim rulers were replaced by Rulers with Hindu sounding names but with affinity towards Muslims and Ganga-Jamuna Lifestyle.
I used to think that Rajiv Ghandy chose $onia Maino because he found love. That may have been true. But in any other self-respecting culture the clown prince (which Rajiv was) marrying an "outsider" would be looked at with suspiscion and anger. The outsider will never be let in even towards the end.

It is a true lack of self-respect that the clown prince had to go for an outsider and then in the event of the death of the said clown prince, the outsider then took over the reins of the kingdom and was then projected as the empress by the rest of the psychophantic filth that surrounded the Ghandy family.

In no self-respecting culture can such a bizzare event occur. This is OT but it is relevant to understanding the real root cause of the curse that is the WKK.

They are loyal durbaris living in the Dilli bubble of the yesteryear, where everyone sings songs in Urdu, farts Shakespear and claims to be civilized and better than their genetically identical and yeevil yindoo brethen.

They and the Bakis are, in effect, colonialists.
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Indian consulate financier of Charsadda attack - DT

Pakistan is making a concerted effort now.
The Indian consulate in Afghanistan’s Jalalabad city provided Rs 3 million to the militants in order to carry out Charsadda attack, a private TV channel reported on Wednesday.

According to details, a Taliban commander was in contact with Mullah Fazlullah – the mastermind behind the Peshawar massacre - in Afghanistan, security sources said after tracing the call of the four militants. Local media reported 0093774262593 as the number that was used by the militants to contact the mastermind behind the attack.

It may be mentioned here that at least four unidentified gunmen stormed the Bacha Khan University in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa’s Charsadda District and opened fire on students and staff, killing 25 of them and injuring 60 others.

In a separate development, ISPR Director General Lieutenant General Asim Bajwa said that security forces had received a major information about the Charsadda attack. “We know everything about the location of the militants, from where they are operating,” he said. He added that the terrorists used Afghanistan-made SIMs.

The attack took place four days after India’s Minister for Defence Manohar Parrikar said “those who attacked us will also feel the same pain, the place and type of response would be of our choice”. On January 17, just two days ahead of today’s attack, Parrikar repeated his threatening statement in some other words.

“Our patience at Pakistan’s move against terrorists - who carried out Pathankot and Mumbai attacks - is running thin. The world will see the results in the next one year,” he had said.
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shiv wrote: I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857.
If BJP is unable to retain power, my ultimate nightmare is that the declining mental capacity of the inheritors the dynasty may bring kingmakers into power. We will then have a repeat of the Sayyid Brothers controlling the reigns of power. Mrs. Gandhi ruling in the name of MMS showed that tendency. Hope this never happens again.
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Update on Baccha Khan University attack

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Terrormonitor.org ‏@Terror_Monitor  10 minutes ago
#PAKISTAN
@ISPR_Official Director General Says #BachaKhanUniversity Attackers Were In Touch With A Number From #Afghanistan.
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RSS Blamed For Charsadda Attack :lol:
Terror attack in Pakistan's Bacha Khan University: Why RSS is being blamed?
New Delhi: A terrorist attack killing young students in Pakistan has yet again stunned the world.
People from various walks of life have reacted to the gruesome killings of innocents at Bacha Khan University in Charsadda, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
But a certain group of people in Pakistan have accused Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) for playing a role in the attack in the troubled northwestern region.
Pakistan’s Tehreek-eTaliban has claimed responsibility but the surprising blame on RSS has caught the eye. The groundless allegations though are a figment of somebody’s fertile imagination which many Twitteratis have taken a cue from. Let’s look at some of them.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1234437/mock-c ... ng-in-fear

I don't blame 'em, how do they know who the terrorists are? :rotfl:
LAHORE: Fear and panic spread among Punjab University students as law enforcement agencies conducted a mock drill at the institution just a day after a barbaric attack on Charsadda's Bacha Khan University during which 21 people were killed.

Footage of the mock drill shows terrified Punjab University students ─ who were unaware of the exercise ─ screaming and fleeing as they catch sight of law enforcement personnel, faces covered, guns at the ready, barrelling through corridors.
And this gem:
The video of the mock operation shows a group of armed men streaking across university grounds......
Going stark nekkid into battle- Looks like some of the Mauleners can't even wait to take their clothes off before they meet their 72 virgins.
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VikasRaina wrote:
shiv wrote:
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
Scary to think that India continued in the same fashion post '47. Why is this important is because Pakis always wanted to be in the same mix but were denied incestuous access to Luytens Delhi except for under the Burkha. The only difference from 1800's was that Muslim rulers were replaced by Rulers with Hindu sounding names but with affinity towards Muslims and Ganga-Jamuna Lifestyle.
For those from the northern states it was exactly as described. My home state of Haryana (then Punjab) was no exception. I distinctly remember all the official work was done in Urdu and the Muslim elite had the biggest Havelis and such. Growing up in post-independence India it was easy to see the relics of this 'empire' even in the local villages and small towns. The muslims had been driven away at partition but their legacy remained and was there for all to see. The Hindus were the majority but were marginalized. Having wealth alone was not enough. You had to be either a part of the Muslim 'nobility' or have some degree of British connection (by marriage or otherwise) to be accepted in the inner circle.

It was this Muslim Elite that chose Pakistan, the cannon-fodder that stayed behind lived then and still does, in ghettos around the city. A few of the rich did stay back too, Daryaganj in Delhi (Mushy's birthplace) is home to some of them. I remember thirty-some years ago attending big galas in the Haveli of one such person, complete with all the pomp and show that went with it -the Hindus still going 'wah wah' even so many years after independence.

Centuries of subjugation by Islamic rulers, systematic disassembly of Hindu institutions, culture and values by the British and self-flagellation by Hindu 'intelligentsia' post-independence has created a mindset among the Hindus that all that is Indic is bad and all that is Islamic or British/Western must therefore be good. I am ashamed to admit I subscribed to this very philosophy as a young adult, actively denying my roots and shunning all that was 'saffron'.

It took me years to begin to understand what my grandparents used to say about Dharma.
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Primus,
Gangadin-Jamuni tehzeeb is Kashmiriyat by other means.
Even after losing political power the Muslim elites rules the hearts and minds of the Hindus.

All these odes to G-J-T are nothing but pleas to continue this cultural domination.

No wonder they shiver when they hear Har, Har Mahadev!
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Update 2 -
Terrormonitor.org ‏@Terror_Monitor now40 seconds ago
#PAKISTAN
#TTP Splinter Group Claims Responsibility For #BachaKhanUniversity Attack, Released Images Of Attackers.
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Terrormonitor.org ‏@Terror_Monitor now9 minutes ago
#PAK COAS Calls @ashrafghani Asked For Cooperation In Targeting Those Responsible For #BachaKhanUniversity Attack.FP

Terrormonitor.org ‏@Terror_Monitor now36 minutes ago
#PAKISTAN
#FLASH
#TTP Darra Adamkhel Spokesman Umar Mansoor Claims Responsibility For #BachaKhanUniversity Terror Attack.
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Just the name itself ( CHARASADDA= CHARAS ADDA = place where you get Charas) says lot about the place;
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VikasRaina wrote:
shiv wrote:
I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857. There are the Mughal Royals (with little power but much wealth) and their hangers on. There are the East India company people and evangelists, and then there are the "in between" crowd. These are Muslim nobility who have married white women, Brits who have converted to Islam and live like Mughals, other Brits who are Christian in name but live like Mughals with harems and purdah. There is in fact a great lovey dovey feeling of closeness of Islam and Christianity. Of Hindus there is virtually no mention. They are the hidden people - the "quiet people" in Burqa Dutt's Unquiet Land.

This is exactly the society that Delhi inherited at independence and even the nominal secular Hindus are enamoured of Mughals, Ghalib and the goras Sonia and Quatrocchi. These people have formed an incestuous "core civil society" in Delhi - they call themselves intellectuals and talk of the "Idea of India'. The Hindu ethos of India does not mean as much to them as a jar of warm spittle. They think that talking of Hindu in India is extremism. Funny that talk of Muslims is Pakistan does not mean extremism to them.
Scary to think that India continued in the same fashion post '47. Why is this important is because Pakis always wanted to be in the same mix but were denied incestuous access to Luytens Delhi except for under the Burkha. The only difference from 1800's was that Muslim rulers were replaced by Rulers with Hindu sounding names but with affinity towards Muslims and Ganga-Jamuna Lifestyle.
The revelation is that all this is a revelation for us.

Dalrymple wrote that all this information was right there in the archives etc., but no post-independence researchers from India bothered to access it or take an interest. It took White Mughal Dalrymple to show us what was there all the time, while we walked around being puzzled and angry as to why things were happening the way they were.

Even now, I don't see Hindu politics showing an awareness of what I might call our psychohistory, hat til to Hari Seldon garu. Al Beruni (?) remarked about our stubborn resistance to learning new things, and perhaps that remains true.
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gautam.sarkar wrote:
shiv wrote: I had a real eye opening moment reading Dalrymple's "Last Mughal". He describes Delhi society just before 1857.
If BJP is unable to retain power, my ultimate nightmare is that the declining mental capacity of the inheritors the dynasty may bring kingmakers into power. We will then have a repeat of the Sayyid Brothers controlling the reigns of power. Mrs. Gandhi ruling in the name of MMS showed that tendency. Hope this never happens again.
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Please take in account the Saudi infiltration/influence in Congress, especially from UPA 2 time. Both internal and external security was weakened systematically from 2009 onward, with break India, anti Indic forces granted access at the highest level.
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