Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby nandakumar » 13 Jun 2018 17:29

The reservation algorithm does try to put passenger in contiguous seats. But the bane of Railways is this thing called VIP Quota. In addition there are certain seats earmarked for emergency requests (EQs). Taken together, in a 1A coach of 24 berths, as many as 12 are not available till the last date. Any airline like 'seat option' would mean that they have to show these as blocked, that is half the coach. Now that might be somewhat embarrassing for the railway management.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby prahaar » 13 Jun 2018 17:43

Recently took Trivandrum Rajdhani 1A coach, while booking it was second last seat for me. After boarding the train, the person in my box of 4 berths said he got a confirmation from WL only yesterday but on the other hand, the coach had ONLY 4 passengers (including a couple returning from honey moon). I understood from the attendant that this is not an uncommon situation.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 13 Jun 2018 18:51

mantris, tantris, IAS officers in north belt and railway higher ups corner the bulk of 1A seats.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 13 Jun 2018 19:05

even on twin WAP5 rajdhani only 1 pantograph is raised despite the barely 20meter gap - oscillation dhoti shiver by cowardly yindu train


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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby JTull » 14 Jun 2018 13:56

Do the trains on Mumbai - Delhi route still get delayed a lot once they get close to Mathura? I remember that it used to be a nightmare. It was quite common to lose 1 to 2 hrs.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Singha » 14 Jun 2018 14:28

why only mathura? once you enter gurgaon from jaipur side, its a slow crawl via delhi cantt and purani dilli to the NDLS .... 1 hr minimum. line clearance and platforms not available are perpetual issues at major kabila hubs like NDLS.

fortunately I was deeply comfortable in my 1AC chair car and did not want to leave its cozy comfort and huge legroom.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 16 Jun 2018 23:50

@Kashi: Your question regarding Line 2, Allahabad-Varanasi and Modi's campaign promise to double it and electrify it. Indeed I find that he has made good on it. Varanasi-Manduadih-Kachwwa Rd. doubling is scheduled to be commissioned by Dec 2018, 27km.(see item 17 below)

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... ER_CRB.pdf

There are videos of the earthworks on this stretch. The problem is that each of the three lines connecting Allahabad to Varanasi lie in three different rail zones. Line 1 in your nomenclature, via Phulpur is under Northern railway, fully electrified but partially doubled, Line 2 via Madho Singh, under North eastern railway(neither electrified, nor doubled) and the main one Allahabad to Mughalsarai under North Central railway. In general there is a very strong push for rail projects in backward parts of eastern UP and western Bihar.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... ur/1066219

Doubling and electrification of many lines and more bridges across the Ganga and its various tributaries. Ghazipur will be a LNG terminal on IW-1(Inland Waterway route 1) that comprises, inland ports on Ganga at Hazira-Farakka-Sahibganj-Ghazipur-Varanasi, with barge traffic. So there is a push to double and electrify Varanasi-Aunrihar-Ghazipur-Ballia. Here is a video that shows new bridges across river Varuna(outside Varanasi, Varanasi gets its name being sandwiched between the two Ganga tributaries Varuna and Asi and near Varuna is the Trailanga swami ashram ghat and Asi is Assi ghat of Tulsidas) and river Gomti(which flows through Lucknow also). You can see electrification going on( all this will help when the new intermodal IW-1, LNG terminal comes up in Ghazipur, bringing employment to a place which has not seen anything for centuries)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51wqnKkbpOg


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In more news, after 10 long years, funds have been sanctioned to fully gauge convert Madurai to Bodinayakanur. 10-11 years ago they uprooted the old MG tracks and trains stopped. Bodi lies at the foot of the Western Ghats and Munnar tea(from Kerala) and also cardamom is transported along this line. Now the merchants have to use road transportation which is costly and there is apparently lot of pilferage. The first stretch of this route, Madurai-Usilampatti is scheduled for commissioning in Feb 2019. This is 35km. Next Bodi will be connected by a 4 lane highway with Madurai. So Feb 2019 the railways part to Usilampatti will be commissioned providing respite to tea and cardamom merchants:

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... SR_CRB.pdf

Commissioning is scheduled for Madurai-Usilampatti ^^^^ So about 50km still left to gauge convert to Bodi.

This was the measly state of affairs with funds of previous governments:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/t ... 216394.ece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBnw2W_2pyA

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In Kerala, Thiruvananthapuram-Kochi doubling: block sections Changanaserry-Chingavanam, Chingavanam-Kottayam, Kottayam-Ettamanur and Ettamanur-Kurrupuntara are left. Out of these Changanassery-Chingavanam is at an advanced stage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFDf2L-y3bY

Most likely commissioning by Dec 2018 for Sabari season. Monsoon slows work here.

Other sections: Kurrupuntara-Ettamanoor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27jufbLhE04

Ettamanoor-Kottayam involves a bridge across the Meenachil river (0:58) near north Kottayam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXIeAL1f-w&t=96s

Also one can see a new ROB being built (3:29)^^^ and an old one has to be demolished to make way for the double line.

Once this is done Kochi-Thiruvanananthpuram will be doubled and electrified and more trains can be introduced.
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Also earthworks have started to double Kanyakumari-Thiruvananthapuram, between Eraniel and Nagercoil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQueUuMYVX4

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 17 Jun 2018 07:41

JTull wrote:Do the trains on Mumbai - Delhi route still get delayed a lot once they get close to Mathura? I remember that it used to be a nightmare. It was quite common to lose 1 to 2 hrs.

It is still very congested, but not as much as the last leg from Tilak bridge to NDLS, where trains are routinely held up for path clearance and platform availability (NDLS has 16 platforms). It's quite common to see trains halted near Pragati Maidan, Tilak bridge and Shivaji bridge in the mornings, and it gets worse during the fog season as all trains come in late and end up being bunched up in this stretch. I believe the project to add two additional tracks dedicated for east bound trains (UP, BH, Kolkata side) is underway and will help in faster movement of trains. Currently, the 16 platforms merge onto four tracks up to Nizamuddin (the eastern tracks branch off just before Nizamuddin at Pragati Maidan), which is why there is congestion. So the 5th and 6th tracks will help.

Mathura-Delhi is somewhat better after adding the third track between Palwal and NZM, and this third track is being extended to Mathura as well. Not sure if there is a plan for a 4th track, but it will definitely help.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 17 Jun 2018 07:49

vsunder wrote:%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
In Kerala, Thiruvananthapuram-Kochi doubling: block sections Changanaserry-Chingavanam, Chingavanam-Kottayam, Kottayam-Ettamanur and Ettamanur-Kurrupuntara are left. Out of these Changanassery-Chingavanam is at an advanced stage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFDf2L-y3bY

Most likely commissioning by Dec 2018 for Sabari season. Monsoon slows work here.

Other sections: Kurrupuntara-Ettamanoor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27jufbLhE04

Ettamanoor-Kottayam involves a bridge across the Meenachil river (0:58) near north Kottayam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXIeAL1f-w&t=96s

Also one can see a new ROB being built (3:29)^^^ and an old one has to be demolished to make way for the double line.

Once this is done Kochi-Thiruvanananthpuram will be doubled and electrified and more trains can be introduced.

Sir, wasn't the shorter coastal line via Alappuzha going to be doubled first, since land acquisition was supposedly less of an issue? Do you know what is happening there? Wiki says only a 13km stretch between Kayamkulam and Haripad was doubled (out of a total of 100km). This article says that the Kottayam line is targeted for 2020, and no progress on the Alappuzha line.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 453754.ece

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 Jun 2018 08:18

arshyam wrote:

wasn't the shorter coastal line via Alappuzha going to be doubled first, since land acquisition was supposedly less of an issue? Do you know what is happening there? Wiki says only a 13km stretch between Kayamkulam and Haripad was doubled (out of a total of 100km). This article says that the Kottayam line is targeted for 2020, and no progress on the Alappuzha line.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 453754.ece


In fact I heard it the other way. LA problems on the coastal line via Alappuzha(Alleypey). The target assigned by Railway Board to Southern railway that I have linked in my post above, indeed assigns a target of 18km for this coastal route, Haripad to Ambalpuzzha, see item 5:

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... SR_CRB.pdf

Progress is really slow for this route. The reason for the 2020 completion schedule for the Kottayam route is as follows. By 2019 everything will be done except Chingavanam-Kottayam. Currently the single line in that block section passes through two tunnels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0VLJTdaznc

The plan is to acquire land to the side and do away with the tunnels altogether and have the double line in a deep cut. The line through the tunnels in the video above will be retained as a shunting neck but closed off. Maybe a pit line inside the tunnel: :rotfl: in the pits that is. However this is Kerala so there are LA problems with this plan. So IR thinks by 2020 Chingavanam-Kottayam will be done and then everything will be done.

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Here are more details about the Ghazipur intermodal terminal and LNG bunkering facility there:

https://safety4sea.com/lng-facility-to- ... -terminal/

The short spur railway line from the south that ends at the banks of the Ganga, will actually cross the Ganga on a new road and rail bridge that is being built, called Tarighat bridge. All these bridges have to be built now with enough gap between piers to allow these barges to go through. Here is a description of the first consignment of 300 Maruti cars that were sent down the river from Varanasi in a test in 2016.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... n-2987827/

The cost comparison above via water, rail and road is quite interesting and also the data of how many trucks are pulled off the road by barge traffic.

The Tarighat bridge at Ghazipur: (85m spans to facilitate movement of barges,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji8Mc6rzHuQ

A very good narration of the speed at which the Tarighat bridge is coming up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAnDLRb9LpQ

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Two historical notes:

1. Ghazipur has the Indian Government opium factory, built in 1820, the largest official opium factory in the world. At 0:45 in the video you can see the opium factory, looks like a prison.

2. The grave of Lord Cornwallis who lost the war in America at Yorktown and surrendered to George Washington and was then made Governor General of India is in Ghazipur.

3. Swami Vivekananda met Pavhari Baba (during his travels as a parivajraka) on the banks of the Ganga at Ghazipur and for a time toyed with the idea of becoming his disciple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavhari_Baba

The second historical note is about the Meenachil river, that I mentioned in my last post and which appears in the video I linked above^^, an interesting story of its birth:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meenachil_River
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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby Kashi » 17 Jun 2018 08:41

Wonderful roundup as usual vsunderji. I was not aware that the Varanasi-Janghai-Phulpur-Allahabad Line and Varanasi-Madhosingh-Allahabad lines came under different jurisdictions.

A lot of Delhi bound and South bound trains from Varanasi take the Line 2, Varanasi-Madhosingh-Allahabad route. Doubling and electrification will go a long way in speeding up these journeys. So of the 130 odd km, they'll finally commission 27 km of doubled/electrified stretch in December 2018. I wonder what is their deadline for commissioning the entire stretch.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby vsunder » 17 Jun 2018 09:13

arshyam wrote:
JTull wrote:Do the trains on Mumbai - Delhi route still get delayed a lot once they get close to Mathura? I remember that it used to be a nightmare. It was quite common to lose 1 to 2 hrs.

It is still very congested, but not as much as the last leg from Tilak bridge to NDLS, where trains are routinely held up for path clearance and platform availability (NDLS has 16 platforms). It's quite common to see trains halted near Pragati Maidan, Tilak bridge and Shivaji bridge in the mornings, and it gets worse during the fog season as all trains come in late and end up being bunched up in this stretch. I believe the project to add two additional tracks dedicated for east bound trains (UP, BH, Kolkata side) is underway and will help in faster movement of trains. Currently, the 16 platforms merge onto four tracks up to Nizamuddin (the eastern tracks branch off just before Nizamuddin at Pragati Maidan), which is why there is congestion. So the 5th and 6th tracks will help.

Mathura-Delhi is somewhat better after adding the third track between Palwal and NZM, and this third track is being extended to Mathura as well. Not sure if there is a plan for a 4th track, but it will definitely help.


5th and 6th tracks Tilak bridge is to be commissioned August 2018 in 2 months. 4th line between Delhi and Mathura is also in advanced stages, many sections to be commissioned this year: (Delhi-Mathura comes under two zones, Northern railway and North Central railway)

Items 3, 8
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... NR_CRB.pdf

Items 6, 7, 8
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... CR_CRB.pdf

Also Mathura to Jhansi third line is also sanctioned and Jhansi to Bina third line where serious earthworks are going on and about 50km third line will be commissioned this year. Mathura-Jhansi third line the challenge will be the Datia pass, the preferred route of invaders into the Deccan from olden times. The line Chennai-Delhi, Mumbai-Delhi goes through the Datia pass which has some impressive rock formations and low broken hills. OK there is a bridge across the Chambal and some smaller rivers, but no great shakes. I think on the up line (towards Mumbai) there is a tunnel after Gwalior towards Jhansi, gosh some of these lines I have not been on them in ages, getting old. I have not been in the Jaunpur, Ayodhya, Ghazipur area in a loong time.

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Re: Indian Railways Thread (Dec 2015)

Postby arshyam » 17 Jun 2018 11:05

vsunder wrote:
arshyam wrote:It is still very congested, but not as much as the last leg from Tilak bridge to NDLS, where trains are routinely held up for path clearance and platform availability (NDLS has 16 platforms). It's quite common to see trains halted near Pragati Maidan, Tilak bridge and Shivaji bridge in the mornings, and it gets worse during the fog season as all trains come in late and end up being bunched up in this stretch. I believe the project to add two additional tracks dedicated for east bound trains (UP, BH, Kolkata side) is underway and will help in faster movement of trains. Currently, the 16 platforms merge onto four tracks up to Nizamuddin (the eastern tracks branch off just before Nizamuddin at Pragati Maidan), which is why there is congestion. So the 5th and 6th tracks will help.

Mathura-Delhi is somewhat better after adding the third track between Palwal and NZM, and this third track is being extended to Mathura as well. Not sure if there is a plan for a 4th track, but it will definitely help.


5th and 6th tracks Tilak bridge is to be commissioned August 2018 in 2 months. 4th line between Delhi and Mathura is also in advanced stages, many sections to be commissioned this year: (Delhi-Mathura comes under two zones, Northern railway and North Central railway)

Items 3, 8
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... NR_CRB.pdf

Items 6, 7, 8
http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... CR_CRB.pdf

Also Mathura to Jhansi third line is also sanctioned and Jhansi to Bina third line where serious earthworks are going on and about 50km third line will be commissioned this year. Mathura-Jhansi third line the challenge will be the Datia pass, the preferred route of invaders into the Deccan from olden times. The line Chennai-Delhi, Mumbai-Delhi goes through the Datia pass which has some impressive rock formations and low broken hills. OK there is a bridge across the Chambal and some smaller rivers, but no great shakes. I think on the up line (towards Mumbai) there is a tunnel after Gwalior towards Jhansi, gosh some of these lines I have not been on them in ages, getting old. I have not been in the Jaunpur, Ayodhya, Ghazipur area in a loong time.

Thanks, vsunder sir. I was poking about and came across this document, although slightly dated shows the number of third/quad line projects going on across IR. Looks like the entire Delhi-Chennai and Kolkata-Mumbai routes are being upgraded, among others.

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/railwa ... _17_18.pdf


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