India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Sumeet » 11 Mar 2020 22:05

Mort Walker wrote:
schinnas wrote:Of all Democratic candidates, outside of Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Biden is the best bet for India. He has not joined other democratic candidates in spewing venom on India and was generally more positive towards India than Obama. Having been in govt, he knows the geo strategic game and why US needs India for its Indo Pacific strategy.


He is mentally incoherent. His time has passed.



Any chance Gabbard can be part of Biden's administration in some capacity if he gets elected ?

@mort if that is so how is he able to win primaries ?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Rudradev » 11 Mar 2020 22:43

Sumeet wrote:
We must not put our fruits in one basket (Trump) only even though he will be a good friend of India and most likely to return to power. Efforts must be made to get hold of Biden and his inner circle mates.


Exactly what I have been saying. Up until 2 months ago, with the chaos of ten-plus Dem candidates tearing holes into each other at debates, I would have said Trump will win easily in November. And that would have been the best thing from the Indian foreign policy POV, for continuity's sake if nothing else.

But that probability has declined considerably with the Dem field narrowing down to Biden (who seems to be winning one state primary after another with big margins and turnout). Also with the unknowable effects of COVID.

So regardless of what we may want to see, we have to be asking: What is our Plan B?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 11 Mar 2020 22:46

Mort Walker wrote:
schinnas wrote:Of all Democratic candidates, outside of Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Biden is the best bet for India. He has not joined other democratic candidates in spewing venom on India and was generally more positive towards India than Obama. Having been in govt, he knows the geo strategic game and why US needs India for its Indo Pacific strategy.


He is mentally incoherent. His time has passed.

That is true but the point is how will he be visavis India. I feel Biden is establishment enough to not criticize India so far. Otoh the Bernie goons have been leading their man to say all kinda crap against India. Note also where the preachy, neo lib, naxal types fall. Almost all of them have endorsed Bernie. From rotten Khanna and PJ to ilhan Umar, all have supported Bernie and all have been nasty about India.

I actually was a pretty good Bernie supporter but after this, I'll take sleepy Joe.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 11 Mar 2020 22:52

I have a feeling that Tulsi is gonna go rogue and run independent. She'll have a lot of support from many Independents, progressives and conservatives, not to mention libertarians. Only thing will be how much the mainstream media blackballs her....

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby KLNMurthy » 12 Mar 2020 00:30

Cain Marko wrote:I have a feeling that Tulsi is gonna go rogue and run independent. She'll have a lot of support from many Independents, progressives and conservatives, not to mention libertarians. Only thing will be how much the mainstream media blackballs her....

If there is one thing that sets Tulsi apart, it is that she is a rare and old-fashioned creature—a woman of honor, and true to her word.

She gave her word that she wouldn’t run as independent (at least not in this election), and I would expect her to remain bound by it.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 00:55

Cain Marko wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
He is mentally incoherent. His time has passed.

That is true but the point is how will he be visavis India. I feel Biden is establishment enough to not criticize India so far. Otoh the Bernie goons have been leading their man to say all kinda crap against India. Note also where the preachy, neo lib, naxal types fall. Almost all of them have endorsed Bernie. From rotten Khanna and PJ to ilhan Umar, all have supported Bernie and all have been nasty about India.

I actually was a pretty good Bernie supporter but after this, I'll take sleepy Joe.


Sleepy Joe is the remote control candidate for the party. He will be under pressure to put a "progressive" like Pocahontas as VP. All of these are instant non starters.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 00:55

KLNMurthy wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:I have a feeling that Tulsi is gonna go rogue and run independent. She'll have a lot of support from many Independents, progressives and conservatives, not to mention libertarians. Only thing will be how much the mainstream media blackballs her....

If there is one thing that sets Tulsi apart, it is that she is a rare and old-fashioned creature—a woman of honor, and true to her word.

She gave her word that she wouldn’t run as independent (at least not in this election), and I would expect her to remain bound by it.


Correct.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 01:12

Sumeet wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
He is mentally incoherent. His time has passed.



Any chance Gabbard can be part of Biden's administration in some capacity if he gets elected ?

@mort if that is so how is he able to win primaries ?


Gabbard has fallen out with the urban naxals as she exposed them. She's on her own and will most likely become a consultant.

Biden has won because the party machinery is working for him. He's unable to put two sentences together and often forgets where he is. Trump will campaign and rally aggressively and debates in the fall will be interesting. Trump should challenge Biden to wrestling or boxing match. Fat Don will knock Biden out cold.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Vips » 12 Mar 2020 02:45

Who would Biden pick as the VP candidate? All the hopefuls who dropped off pledging support to him would be fancying their chances. Would be interesting to see if he picks up a female to be the running mate.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby nachiket » 12 Mar 2020 02:49

Leaving the relative chances of Trump/Dem victory aside, if there is gong to be a Dem in the WH next year, I'd much rather it be Biden than Bernie (from an India-US relations perspective). Bernie has some truly despicable people supporting him not the least of whom are AOC's Leftist-Islamist goon squad (Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib etc.) along with the rabid Islamist Linda Sarsour. We also have gungadins like Pramila Jayapal, Ro Khanna etc. supporting him. On top of that Bernie himself is basically a Marxist.

Good thing is most of these people absolutely hate Biden. AOC was actually wondering why she is in the same party as him. So if Biden comes to power, most of these nutcases will probably remain away from the Cabinet and Administration jobs (one can hope). So the worst we might see happen is US-India relations going back to what they were during Obama period which for all practical purposes is not that different from now.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 06:13

nachiket wrote:Leaving the relative chances of Trump/Dem victory aside, if there is gong to be a Dem in the WH next year, I'd much rather it be Biden than Bernie (from an India-US relations perspective). Bernie has some truly despicable people supporting him not the least of whom are AOC's Leftist-Islamist goon squad (Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib etc.) along with the rabid Islamist Linda Sarsour. We also have gungadins like Pramila Jayapal, Ro Khanna etc. supporting him. On top of that Bernie himself is basically a Marxist.

Good thing is most of these people absolutely hate Biden. AOC was actually wondering why she is in the same party as him. So if Biden comes to power, most of these nutcases will probably remain away from the Cabinet and Administration jobs (one can hope). So the worst we might see happen is US-India relations going back to what they were during Obama period which for all practical purposes is not that different from now.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 06:15

Mort Walker wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:If there is one thing that sets Tulsi apart, it is that she is a rare and old-fashioned creature—a woman of honor, and true to her word.

She gave her word that she wouldn’t run as independent (at least not in this election), and I would expect her to remain bound by it.


Correct.

Could be right although I won't hold it against her if she is not so "true to her word" - as though that means anything under such changing circumstances where she has been absolutely blackballed by her party. She has every right to quit the party and do her own thing - nothing to do with old fashioned values or whatever.

In any case, what is the point of continuing to hang in the race otherwise? My guess is that she will push back when the time is right.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Kati » 12 Mar 2020 06:19

Bernie spooked the Wall Street with his socialistic ideas (though good, they have rattled the top honchos).
Biden will be the robot for the DNC, and when it comes to Bharat, that same old equal-equal will start.
Let's hope that Covid goes away by the end of summer, so that Drumph comes back to steamroll Biden.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 06:22

Kati wrote:Let's hope that Covid goes away by the end of summer, so that Drumph comes back to steamroll Biden.

Even if it goes away in the summer, chances are it will be right back in the Fall when temperatures go down.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 08:31

Cain Marko wrote:
Kati wrote:Let's hope that Covid goes away by the end of summer, so that Drumph comes back to steamroll Biden.

Even if it goes away in the summer, chances are it will be right back in the Fall when temperatures go down.


There will be more testing by then and the spread will be limited. Also, many people may vote by absentee ballot or by early voting.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 08:46

Mort Walker wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:Even if it goes away in the summer, chances are it will be right back in the Fall when temperatures go down.


There will be more testing by then and the spread will be limited. Also, many people may vote by absentee ballot or by early voting.

How do you know the spread will be limited when most of the time people carrying it hardly show any symptoms and it is a lot more infectious in the early stages of the infection? Iows, carriers might not even get themselves tested!

How does testing in itself prevent the spread? Especially if the virus tends to be less active in warmer temps? China has supposedly contained the beast by taking nothing short of draconian measures and it is still sprouting up in places!

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby vijayk » 12 Mar 2020 08:46

Cain Marko wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
Correct.

Could be right although I won't hold it against her if she is not so "true to her word" - as though that means anything under such changing circumstances where she has been absolutely blackballed by her party. She has every right to quit the party and do her own thing - nothing to do with old fashioned values or whatever.

In any case, what is the point of continuing to hang in the race otherwise? My guess is that she will push back when the time is right.


Between Trump and Biden (who may be having serious problems with his memory), she can stand out as young and best choice if she runs third party.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Suraj » 12 Mar 2020 08:52

Biden reflects the old centrist Dems . If he makes candidature the younger ‘progressive’ left wing fascists will want one of theirs on the ticket, like the evangelicals have their man Pence for Trump . How moderate Biden can be is a function of how much control the centrist Dems have over their party vs the ‘Ok boomer’ young ones not interested in compromise.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Arun.prabhu » 12 Mar 2020 09:39

No chance in hell and when hell freezes over pretty much summarizes her chances. She is not part of the pro-China, pro-war, pro-big business, corrupt wing of the party for all that she is a liberal. Look how she has been sidelined for the last couple of months ever since she took out Kamala Harris in one minute and made a similar go at either Elizabeth Warren or Pete "The Openly Gay Obama" Buttigieg, I forget which. The dems are as corrupt as congress and the dravidian parties and as against anyone who even remotely smells clean as our India's various purveyors of corruption.

Sumeet wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
He is mentally incoherent. His time has passed.



Any chance Gabbard can be part of Biden's administration in some capacity if he gets elected ?

@mort if that is so how is he able to win primaries ?

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Mar 2020 10:16

Arun.prabhu wrote:No chance in hell and when hell freezes over pretty much summarizes her chances. She is not part of the pro-China, pro-war, pro-big business, corrupt wing of the party for all that she is a liberal. Look how she has been sidelined for the last couple of months ever since she took out Kamala Harris in one minute and made a similar go at either Elizabeth Warren or Pete "The Openly Gay Obama" Buttigieg, I forget which. The dems are as corrupt as congress and the dravidian parties and as against anyone who even remotely smells clean as our India's various purveyors of corruption.]

Yes that's what it looks like. Tulsi has started her own podcast in the meanwhile.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 10:20

Cain Marko wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
There will be more testing by then and the spread will be limited. Also, many people may vote by absentee ballot or by early voting.

How do you know the spread will be limited when most of the time people carrying it hardly show any symptoms and it is a lot more infectious in the early stages of the infection? Iows, carriers might not even get themselves tested!

How does testing in itself prevent the spread? Especially if the virus tends to be less active in warmer temps? China has supposedly contained the beast by taking nothing short of draconian measures and it is still sprouting up in places!


People will be more vigilant, what you'll find is that flu cases will decline as well. There is a likelihood of vaccine by that time.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Mort Walker » 12 Mar 2020 10:23

Suraj wrote:Biden reflects the old centrist Dems . If he makes candidature the younger ‘progressive’ left wing fascists will want one of theirs on the ticket, like the evangelicals have their man Pence for Trump . How moderate Biden can be is a function of how much control the centrist Dems have over their party vs the ‘Ok boomer’ young ones not interested in compromise.


Pocahontas as VP will pacify the anarchists/Islamists elements of the party.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Arun.prabhu » 12 Mar 2020 10:38

The Bernie wing will not vote for Sloe Joe-Pocahontas ticket. The moderate democrats - and isn't that a laugh, calling pro-war, pro-globalist, anti-union, pro-baby killing, pro-perverts of all sizes and kinds moderate - will not vote for Bernie. If the Dems had a good argument against Trump, they would use it. Since they don't, they tried the Mueller con, the Trump lawyer con, the stripper and her sleazy lawyer con, the whistleblower and impeachment con, the Russian election interference con part deux and now, the corona virus was mishandled con. NVM that the dems and their mainstream cucks called banning travel from china bad, refuse to close borders, parroted Chinese propaganda about the Chinese virus being nothing as compared to the flu and on and on. It says something about the party that they. have to field a demented old man who challenges men forty years younger to fist fights, was up to his neck in whatever corruption Obama was running in Ukraine and has a son who is into incest when he isn't snorting, injecting or just plain whoring.

Mort Walker wrote:
Suraj wrote:Biden reflects the old centrist Dems . If he makes candidature the younger ‘progressive’ left wing fascists will want one of theirs on the ticket, like the evangelicals have their man Pence for Trump . How moderate Biden can be is a function of how much control the centrist Dems have over their party vs the ‘Ok boomer’ young ones not interested in compromise.


Pocahontas as VP will pacify the anarchists/Islamists elements of the party.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby Manish_Sharma » 12 Mar 2020 13:42

The hidden hand that moves chessboard has decided to put right wing govts everywhere be it France Britain USA et al. Just like Boris Johnson won British elections, so will Trump.

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Re: India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

Postby NRao » 12 Mar 2020 14:58

Mort Walker wrote:
Suraj wrote:Biden reflects the old centrist Dems . If he makes candidature the younger ‘progressive’ left wing fascists will want one of theirs on the ticket, like the evangelicals have their man Pence for Trump . How moderate Biden can be is a function of how much control the centrist Dems have over their party vs the ‘Ok boomer’ young ones not interested in compromise.


Pocahontas as VP will pacify the anarchists/Islamists elements of the party.


"The establishment", imho, will not accept a non-centerist candidate.

One has to account for Joe joking his way to heaven and his VP ruling for a year or two and getting the keys to the back door.


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