India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

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Cybaru wrote:
vimal wrote: 26 Jan 2024 00:33 Why isn't anyone in India crying about secularism. The death of democracy under Biden and USG. Human rights.
Visits by parliamentarians.
It's a county issue, under republican governor.
Cybaru wrote: 26 Jan 2024 06:33
vimal wrote: 26 Jan 2024 06:31 No no no, this is the new Biden's America. Politics of hate.
Okay if you feel that way. I don't want to debate it. What state do you live in if you don't mind sharing? Helps me understand your perspective. Again you don't have to share.
In the world of narratives, none of that matters. Is this nuance extended to us when some issue happens in, say Mamata's WB or Stalin's TN? They all get lumped under "India's lack of religious freedom, blah blah". Let's extend the same courtesy without tying ourselves into knots.

Hope JS brings up this lack of freedom to practice one's own religion in the so-called "land of the free" in the next joint presser with the US SD, whenever that happens.
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Ah well that's a different game. If one is looking for an excuse to point fingers, this would do!
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I am all for pointing fingers at those who issue religious freedom reports about India.

It's a convenient stick with which to beat these idiots.
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Sure,

If you are looking to point fingers at America, here is another one. Routinely they say women are not treated well in India.

Here is counterpoint.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/study ... s-post-roe
n a new study published this week in "The Journal of the American Medical Association," researchers used government data on sexual violence to calculate that, since the Supreme Court said states could regulate abortion however they want, there have been more than 64,000 rape-related pregnancies in jurisdictions with bans. They estimate that 26,000 of those were in Texas alone.
Next time they print an article about India, point them back at them. These are 64000 assaults resulting in pregnancy (possibly in just 9 states).. God knows how many assaults really happened..
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It is appalling to see recent remarks by a law Professor Dr. Khaled Abou El-Fadl’s - horrific & bigoted remarks, that come with no proof for the outrageous claims being made. This is part of a series of horrific lies, told by people with institutional backing, that leads to the silencing of vulnerable Hindu and Indian students on campuses. It has been shocking to see this UCLA has not stepped up to tackle this.. some organization (like HAF, Cohna etc) has sent in an official letters the Chancellor, Provost and DEI Vice Chancellor.

And issue ought to be raises by GoI/EAM for this.

Link: UCLA professor: 'Hindus serve in IDF to kill Muslims, Israel broadcasts ***** on Palestinian TV'
There is link to the disgusting video coming from this prof from UCLA.
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https://thewire.in/security/us-drone-sa ... estigation
Indian-American lawmakers in particular are deeply concerned about the fallout from the indictment of an Indian in the plotUS Blocks $3-Billion Drone Sale to India Until ‘Meaningful Investigation’ of Pannun Assassination Conspiracy
1/31/2024 New Delhi: The US government has held back delivery of 31 MQ-9A Sea Guardian and Sky Guardian drones to India until New Delhi carries out a “meaningful investigation” into the conspiracy to assassinate Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, The Wire has learned.
Pannun, who hold dual US and Canadian citizenship, is a New York-based Khalistan activist accused by India of terrorism.
The proposed $3 billion purchase includes 15 Sea Guardian drones for the Indian Navy, while the Indian Air Force and Army are supposed to get eight Sky Guardian drones each.
Also held back by Washington are smaller Indian acquisitions, including a proposal to buy six Boeing P-8I long-range maritime patrol aircraft. These are to supplement 12 P-8I Poseidon aircraft that the Indian Navy already operates.
Ironically, the Indian Ministry of Defence’s internal approval for the now-stalled drone procurement came in June 2023, a week before Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s state visit to Washington. This was also the time when the conspiracy to kill Pannun – allegedly set in motion by an Indian security official named CC1, according to a federal indictment made public last November – shifted to high gear.
Today, “the purchase is stuck in the US Congress because of anger over the brazen attempt to assassinate Pannun. US representatives have frozen the legislative movement needed for proceeding with the sale,” a highly-placed source in Washington told this reporter. The source, who operates at the top layer of US policymaking, cannot be identified as he is not authorised to speak to the media.
Explaining the delay in delivering these lethal, long-range weapons to India, the Washington-based source says that Indian-American lawmakers in particular are deeply concerned about the fallout from the indictment of an Indian named Nikhil Gupta. He has been formally charged with conspiring to kill Pannun, and is currently in detention in the Czech Republic pending his deportation to the US.
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g.sarkar wrote: 31 Jan 2024 18:40 https://thewire.in/security/us-drone-sa ... estigation
Indian-American lawmakers in particular are deeply concerned about the fallout from the indictment of an Indian in the plotUS Blocks $3-Billion Drone Sale to India Until ‘Meaningful Investigation’ of Pannun Assassination Conspiracy
This seems like regurgitated news from a couple of months ago about some indian-american lawmakers being concerned. The rest seems a series of conjectures, and may even be inspired by some BRF posts about approval timelines on military sales.
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It may be regurgitated, but it is recent and all over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments ... ?rdt=45237
US Blocks $3-Billion Drone Sale to India Until ‘Meaningful Investigation’ of Pannun Assassination Conspiracy
https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/w ... 292481.cms
अमेरिका ने पन्नू की 'हत्या' की साजिश को लेकर भारत को 'सुलेमानी किलर' ड्रोन बेचने पर लगाई रोक, बड़ा दावा
And there is more of the same.
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g.sarkar wrote: 31 Jan 2024 20:53 It may be regurgitated, but it is recent and all over:
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments ... ?rdt=45237
US Blocks $3-Billion Drone Sale to India Until ‘Meaningful Investigation’ of Pannun Assassination Conspiracy
https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/w ... 292481.cms
अमेरिका ने पन्नू की 'हत्या' की साजिश को लेकर भारत को 'सुलेमानी किलर' ड्रोन बेचने पर लगाई रोक, बड़ा दावा
And there is more of the same.
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Both these reference the same Ajay whoever.
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I hope they put a 3 year ban that will compel our babus and brass to adopt local tech and solutions
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US Blocks MQ9 Drone Sale to India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSyK1c-uJTY

It's pretty obvious that US wants to play the Khalistan card against India. This is why the US can never be a trusted ally to India. We can see why Quad has not been able to progress, because of America's past and ongoing track record of bad behaviour.

More than 60,000 people were killed during the Khalistan insurgency. Likewise, the US seems to be very inordinately interested in regime change in Bangladesh and Myanmar. If the United States wants to revive Khalistan as well as prey on India's NorthEast, all to keep India on the ropes, then India should take America's bad intentions seriously.

India should respond by encouraging conflict between US and China over Taiwan and AUKUS, both of which the US is bound to by treaty commitments. The more that Chinese and Americans are focused on fighting each other, the less time and resources they'll have to target us. There are many ways to bring this about.

We can also support BRICS initiatives to challenge US dollar hegemony.
(US debt is now at 125% of GDP, again demonstrating that global hegemonic imperialism is an unsustainable enterprise)
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sanman wrote: US Blocks MQ9 Drone Sale to India

It's pretty obvious that US wants to play the Khalistan card against India. This is why the US can never be a trusted ally to India. We can see why Quad has not been able to progress, because of America's past and ongoing track record of bad behaviour.

More than 60,000 people were killed during the Khalistan insurgency. Likewise, the US seems to be very inordinately interested in regime change in Bangladesh and Myanmar. If the United States wants to revive Khalistan as well as prey on India's NorthEast, all to keep India on the ropes, then India should take America's bad intentions seriously.

India should respond by encouraging conflict between US and China over Taiwan and AUKUS, both of which the US is bound to by treaty commitments. The more that Chinese and Americans are focused on fighting each other, the less time and resources they'll have to target us. There are many ways to bring this about.

We can also support BRICS initiatives to challenge US dollar hegemony.
(US debt is now at 125% of GDP, again demonstrating that global hegemonic imperialism is an unsustainable enterprise)
could be a blessing in disguise..now to invest all those billions into our MIC .

On a side note here is what the US upto.. old trick ..selling to both sides this time Greece and Turkey
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... e-resolved

selling to Greece first and creating an imbalance. then offering to Turkey ..on certain conditions !!

US is perfidy at best ..NEVER TO BE TRUSTED
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Dr. Nayar Sirji,
I do not think drones be a problem, there will be other manufacturers. But jet engines manufactured by GE, if stopped ,will cause a delay in our Tejas manufacture.
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If the engines are stopped/delayed then us will be the biggest loser.

Let's hope next potus has more brains.

That's why, despite vociferous protests by learned members here, some of us maintained a "never trust and always verify" stand wrt massa.
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Fake news peddler Ajai Shukla got caught with his pants down. Assume everything that comes from this cretin & everything published on Wire-the-Liar is a lie, unless proven otherwise!

US Congress today approved the MQ-9B sale and notified General Atomics. Someone raised the question about Pannun in the press conference and the spokesperson just laughed it off

Idiot Shukla & Wire-the-Liar chose the worst possible time to peddle their lies & got slapped in their face!

Screenshot their articles because these serial liars will delete them

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 70138.html
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Prem Kumar wrote: 01 Feb 2024 11:52 Fake news peddler Ajai Shukla got caught with his pants down. Assume everything that comes from this cretin & everything published on Wire-the-Liar is a lie, unless proven otherwise!

US Congress today approved the MQ-9B sale and notified General Atomics. Someone raised the question about Pannun in the press conference and the spokesperson just laughed it off
Amazing how one internet bullshitter can instigate some BRF posters to jump to hasty conclusions based on nearly zero evidence. Reading BRF analysis should make people more thoughtful, rather it is lately creating more spam on multiple threads.
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The US House is controlled by the Republicans and the concerned Indian-Americans ate Democrats in the House.
The Democrats control the Senate, but there are no Indian Americans there.

Having seen the Wire item, I came here to point out the above, but am glad to see it is already debunked.
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Transcript of press briefing, US Department of State, Jan 31, 2024.
QUESTION: According to a media report, United States lost $3 billion drone sale to India until meaningful investigation of Sikh leader Mr. Pannun assassination conspiracy. Is it true or just a fake news?

MR MILLER: So – (laughter) – I love – nice try. The – so I will say that generally the U.S.-Indian Defense Partnership has seen significant growth over the past decade. This is a proposed sale that was announced during Prime Minister Modi’s visit last year. We believe it offers significant potential to further advance strategic technology cooperation with India and military cooperation in the region. Of course, Congress plays – as you know – an important role in the U.S. arms transfer process. We routinely consult with members of Congress with the foreign – on the foreign affairs committees before our formal notification to – so we can address questions that they might have, but I don’t have any comment on when that formal notification might take place.

And I said I’d come to you next, and then I’ll —
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AFAIK, the Congressional authorization for an arms sale comes in this form:
https://www.congress.gov/congressional- ... 7D&s=7&r=2

excerpt:
Transmittal No. 23-0L

Report of Enhancement or Upgrade of Sensitivity of Technology
or Capability (Sec. 36(b)(5)(C), AECA)
(i) Purchaser: Government of India.
(ii) Sec. 36(b)(l), AECA Transmittal No.: 21-13; Date:
April 30, 2021; Implementing Agency: Navy.
Funding Source: National Funds.
(iii) Description: On April 30, 2021, Congress was notified
by congressional certification transmittal number 21-13 of
the possible sale, under Section 36(b)(l) of the Arms Export
Control Act, of six (6) P-81 Patrol Aircraft; eight (8)
Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Joint
Tactical Radio Systems 5 (MIDS-JTRS 5) (6 installed, 2
spares); forty-two (42) AN/AAR-54 Missile Warning Sensors (36
installed, 6 spares); and fourteen (14) LN-251 with Embedded
Global Positioning Systems (GPS)/Inertial Navigations Systems
(EGIs) (12 installed, 2 spares). Also included were CFM56-7
commercial engines; Tactical Open Mission Software (ITOMS)
variant for P-81; Electro-Optical (EO) and Infrared (IR) MX-
20HD; AN/AAQ-2(V)l Acoustic System; ARES-1000 commercial
variant Electronic Support Measures; AN/APR-39D Radar Warning
Receiver; AN/ALE-47 Counter Measures Dispensing System;
support equipment and spares; publications; repair and
return; transportation; aircraft ferry; training; U.S.
Government and contractor engineering, software, technical,
and logistics support services; and other related elements of
logistical and program support. The total estimated cost was
$2.42 billion. MDE constituted $2.05 billion of this total.
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https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/indi ... ale-report
India Soon To Get 31 MQ-9B Predator Drones As US Congress Clears Sale: Report
NISHTHA ANUSHREE, Thursday, February 1, 2024

India's plan to get 31 MQ-9B Predator drones from the United States meets success as the US Congress has cleared the ‘tiered review’ of the sale, Hindustan Times reported.
While the Predator drone manufacturer General Atomics and the high-level officials of the Narendra Modi government have been informed about this clearance, the official Congressional notification is expected to be submitted within 24 hours.
Of these 31 drones, the Indian Navy is poised to get 15, while the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force will get eight each of high altitude long endurance drones.
"The drone deal is a proposed sale that was announced during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit last year. We believe it offers significant potential to further advance strategic technology cooperation with India and military cooperation in the region," US State Department spokesperson Mathew Miller said.
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This doesn't mean that the state department hasn't tried to link the two issues, may be they did but lost out to DoD.

There have been umpteen instances where SD and DoD weren't aligned wrt relations with India.
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Guess it's atleast moving forward.....

https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major ... -aircraft
Transmittal No
24-07
WASHINGTON, February 1, 2024 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of India of MQ-9B Remotely Piloted Aircraft and related equipment for an estimated cost of $3.99 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of India has requested to buy thirty-one (31) MQ-9B Sky Guardian aircraft; one hundred sixty-one (161) Embedded Global Positioning & Inertial Navigation Systems (EGIs); thirty-five (35) L3 Rio Grande Communications Intelligence Sensor Suites; one hundred seventy (170) AGM-114R Hellfire missiles; sixteen (16) M36E9 Hellfire Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM); three hundred ten (310) GBU-39B/B Laser Small Diameter Bombs (LSDB); and eight (8) GBU-39B/B LSDB Guided Test Vehicles (GTVs) with live fuzes. Also included are Certifiable Ground Control Stations; TPE-331-10-GD engines; M299 Hellfire missile launchers; KIV-77 cryptographic appliques and other Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) equipment; KOR-24A Small Tactical Terminals (STT); AN/SSQ-62F, AN/SSQ-53G, and AN/SSQ-36 sonobuoys; ADU-891/E Adapter Group Test Sets; Common Munitions Built-In-Test (BIT) Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE); GBU-39B/B tactical training rounds, Weapons Load Crew Trainers, and Reliability Assessment Vehicles-Instrumented; Portable Pre-flight/Post-flight Equipment (P3E); CCM-700A encryption devices; KY-100M Narrowband/wideband terminals; KI-133 cryptographic units; AN/PYQ-10 Simple Key Loaders; Automatic Identification System (AIS) transponders; ROVER 6Si and TNR2x transceivers; MR6000 ultra high frequency (UHF) and very high frequency (VHF) radios; Selex SeaSpray Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) surveillance radars; HISAR-300 Radars; SNC 4500 Auto Electronic Surveillance Measures (ESM) Systems; SAGE 750 ESM systems; Due Regard Radars (DRR); MX-20 Electro-Optical Infrared (EO-IR) Laser Target Designators (LTDs); Ku-Band SATCOM GAASI Transportable Earth Stations (GATES); C-Band Line-of-Sight (LOS) Ground Data Terminals; AN/DPX-7 IFF transponders; Compact Multi-band Data Links (CMDL); initial spare and repair parts, consumables, accessories, and repair and return support; secure communications, precision navigation, and cryptographic equipment; munitions support and support equipment; testing and integration support and equipment; classified and unclassified software delivery and support; classified and unclassified publications and technical documentation; personnel training and training equipment; transportation support; warranties; studies and surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $3.99 billion.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by helping to strengthen the U.S.-Indian strategic relationship and to improve the security of a major defense partner which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace, and economic progress in the Indo-Pacific and South Asia region.

The proposed sale will improve India’s capability to meet current and future threats by enabling unmanned surveillance and reconnaissance patrols in sea lanes of operation. India has demonstrated a commitment to modernizing its military and will have no difficulty absorbing these articles and services into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractor will be General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Poway, CA. The purchaser typically requests offsets. Any offset agreement will be defined in negotiations between the purchaser and the contractor.

Implementation of this proposed sale will not require the assignment of any additional U.S. Government or contractor representatives to India.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

The description and dollar value are for the highest estimated quantity and dollar value based on initial requirements. Actual dollar value will be lower depending on final requirements, budget authority, and signed sales agreement(s), if and when concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov
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A strange world we live in.

The drone deal was in question because of an American terrorist, named Pannun.

Now that the deal has gone through, those very **armed** drones will be used to track and ...... many Pannuns!!!!! :shock:

ये किस तरह का तर्क है परेशान|

__________________________________

BTW, it is my understanding that the rules, of the US Senate, were changed - mid-flight - to accommodate the deal.

It is not that Shukla was wrong. It is that the US Senate was right.

_____________________________

Let us say that the pro-India won over the anti-India. QED

Just one fight. Many more to come.
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NRao wrote: 02 Feb 2024 03:39
BTW, it is my understanding that the rules, of the US Senate, were changed - mid-flight - to accommodate the deal.

It is not that Shukla was wrong. It is that the US Senate was right.
Any links to read about the mid-flight rule change in senate?!
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Land of milk and honey not safe anymore for Bharatiya students? Very mysterious deaths in matter of just two weeks...
Shreyas Reddy Benigeri - Lindner School of Business in Cincinnati
Neel Acharya - Purdue University’s
Vivek Saini - MBA student in Georgia
Akul B Dhawan - University of Illinois
(WION) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC72Si8TipM&t=562s
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NRao wrote: 02 Feb 2024 03:39 A strange world we live in.

The drone deal was in question because of an American terrorist, named Pannun.

Now that the deal has gone through, those very **armed** drones will be used to track and ...... many Pannuns!!!!! :shock:

ये किस तरह का तर्क है परेशान|

__________________________________

BTW, it is my understanding that the rules, of the US Senate, were changed - mid-flight - to accommodate the deal.

It is not that Shukla was wrong. It is that the US Senate was right.

_____________________________

Let us say that the pro-India won over the anti-India. QED

Just one fight. Many more to come.



NRao ji,


never look a gift horse in the mouth.

Whatever their reasons, it benefits us in the short to medium term

we need these assets now, more than ever......

of course, there will a bill to pay, and that's not just the financial bit.
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Clashes at San Francisco Khalistan 'Referendum'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRsNDgIXNzM
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Prem Kumar wrote: 01 Feb 2024 11:52 Fake news peddler Ajai Shukla got caught with his pants down. Assume everything that comes from this cretin & everything published on Wire-the-Liar is a lie, unless proven otherwise!

US Congress today approved the MQ-9B sale and notified General Atomics. Someone raised the question about Pannun in the press conference and the spokesperson just laughed it off

Idiot Shukla & Wire-the-Liar chose the worst possible time to peddle their lies & got slapped in their face!

Screenshot their articles because these serial liars will delete them
Shukla revealed the source of his original article, via writing a follow on article (which is available on his blog). Rather than issuing an apology for his mis-information, he has doubled down on his claim and is pinning the insinuations in his original article on the Senior US Senator (Democrat) for the State of Maryland: Senator Ben Cardin (https://www.cardin.senate.gov/)

Seeing Shukla's new insinuations and especially now that he has provided an actual name versus "anonymous sources", I visited the US Govt's Foreign Relations Committee website:-- https://www.foreign.senate.gov/ and indeed Senator Ben Cardin did issue a statement on Pannu in relation to the MQ-9 sale. Click on link below to read the statement. A twitter user graciously screenshot the press release and that image has been posted below. IMO, Shukla is stitching a narrative which has his own masala added to it.

However, Democrats have always been preachy about human rights, the world over. Nothing new. Latest Example: https://www.cardin.senate.gov/press-rel ... defenders/

Chair Cardin Statement on Sale of MQ-9 Drones to India
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/de ... s-to-india
02 Feb 2024

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First of all, anyone posting Ajai Sheik-in-law farticles or farticles from liar-that-is-wire (or is it wire-that-is-liar) should be summarily ban'ned. My own request for cancel culture against them.

Second, US SD and US DOD carry out the US strategy of bad-cop/good-cop routine. This is, so that US can gain leverage. Here, US-SD went too far with its minions and ended up throwing their minions faces into eggs. Some got unmasked.

Third, whichever dispensation comes in 2024 November in US has to work with a re-invigorated Modi. And an economy that will be the 3rd largest in the world (and growing fast) and a young nation. If the dimwits in US-SD understand this sooner, the better.

Fourth, Bakistan is a circus. Cheen is a bigger circus. ME is a mess. Any of the ME kingdom can fall like 9-pins when the ISIS rolls over. It can roll over from Bakistan to Iran to Turkey. Think of ME is the future nukular flushpoint. So just like Bakistan is seeing different "jirgas" trying to create their own kabilas, ME will be similar.

Europe is going through what Europe loves to go through best. Love Jihad.

SE nations have things interesting. Philipines may head for a split. Or not. But it is going to be chaotic. Vietnam is the only sane nation in there. And Cheen will try to fish in muddy waters. Just as pigs do not fly, pigs do not float. So goes for Cheen. Anyway, Cheen has bigger fishes to fry (err hang) like the journo from Australia.

Fifth, Dumbocrats with their peachy hooman-rights need to monitor their own borders. Or did they learn lessons on open-border from Mao Mata?

Currently, India is the only sub-continental calm in the current chaos. As much as we understand that and imbibe it, that will be better.
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Rakesh wrote: 05 Feb 2024 20:26 However, Democrats have always been preachy about human rights, the world over. Nothing new. Latest Example: https://www.cardin.senate.gov/press-rel ... defenders/
Thanks. Sen Ben Cardin : "... Championing human rights and democratic values globally is one of my top priorities... I will continue raising human rights issues with the Administration, as well as our Indian counterparts, because I believe that our shared values are fundamental to the growth and longevity of our partnership"

I think the above statement missed one para. I am completing it here for all Ben Cardins:

"It is imperative that I continue to raise human rights and democratic values and in future climate change and religion freedom. Since that is what I think my voters want me to continue to raise. Remember I just have to raise questions and the administration has to assure me that the Indian government is committed to thoroughly investigate such situations and fully cooperate with US Dept of Justice, and every tom-dick-and-harry in my constituent and now new voters like lovely-prince-BhootiniKa Khalis and aam-abdul-rana-arfas will be reassured and continue to provide me with election funds. Additionally, if the admin and the Indian government can put together a tour to exotic places in India for me and my family and my friends and extended well wishers over a pork and a barrel, that will affirm that the Indian government is working on human rights"

^ The above para was redacted, since it did not mention any rainbow spectrum of supporters or the newly arrived brave immigrants from South.
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disha wrote: 06 Feb 2024 11:35
Rakesh wrote: 05 Feb 2024 20:26 However, Democrats have always been preachy about human rights, the world over. Nothing new. Latest Example: https://www.cardin.senate.gov/press-rel ... defenders/
Thanks. Sen Ben Cardin : "... Championing human rights and democratic values globally is one of my top priorities... I will continue raising human rights issues with the Administration, as well as our Indian counterparts, because I believe that our shared values are fundamental to the growth and longevity of our partnership"

I think the above statement missed one para. I am completing it here for all Ben Cardins:

"It is imperative that I continue to raise human rights and democratic values and in future climate change and religion freedom. Since that is what I think my voters want me to continue to raise. Remember I just have to raise questions and the administration has to assure me that the Indian government is committed to thoroughly investigate such situations and fully cooperate with US Dept of Justice, and every tom-dick-and-harry in my constituent and now new voters like lovely-prince-BhootiniKa Khalis and aam-abdul-rana-arfas will be reassured and continue to provide me with election funds. Additionally, if the admin and the Indian government can put together a tour to exotic places in India for me and my family and my friends and extended well wishers over a pork and a barrel, that will affirm that the Indian government is working on human rights"

^ The above para was redacted, since it did not mention any rainbow spectrum of supporters or the newly arrived brave immigrants from South.




disha ji,

sh00kl@w is directly connected to the inner circles of the eyetaliaan mafia through his relative and even the disgraced arune showreey is in that slimy cesspool mix and hence was also understandably side lined

sh00kl@w was earlier married to the close relative of the wrong gandhys and has since moved on to newer pastures

his high hopes of striking it rich as an "arms dealer" was lost in the clutter of the new dispensation which banned him from even entering the MoD

that is the entitled milieu from whence this particular reptile carrying his gifts of snake oil is emanating from and he has deep state sources of info along with an "understanding" presstitute media
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It is clear US is going down the UK Labour Party path with the likes of Nick Clegg and Milibands on various boards. Labour famously boasted that they will rub elite UKs nose in diversity with open borders and did so within the EU and now with the boats.

Interesting that the largest group now migrating to the US on the open border is Chinese some look quite middle class , even CBS 60 min took notice, and I wonder if Bidenwa is doing some qpq with the Han CPC. Not sure if these will be used to needle CPC in the future or will actually be ground support for a future 5th gen war but while everyone squirms now with open borders, SD might be throwing the last dice to inspire the flagging minions globally
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https://x.com/suryakane/status/1753937514224582753?s=20 ---> The dots are almost always connected circuitously. On the one hand, the US partners with India to advance its own objectives in the Indo Pacific. On the other, it deploys quasi non-state agents of Balkanization below the surface to keep New Delhi’s ambitions in check.

The Five Eyes seem to have reactivated their Khalistani network after their old network in Kashmir got dismantled post-370. It didn’t happen overnight - the Khalistanis were simply kept relatively quiet for nearly two decades and pressed into action when deemed strategically fit. Meanwhile, FCRA licenses are getting cancelled. Shadowy foreign-funded NGOs and think tanks surreptitiously engaging in lawfare are feeling the pain as are Churches and their local political partners. Efforts are on to stabilize the North East which faces direct threats from foreign-backed narcoterror militants from Myanmar. Any effort to dismantle areas of leverage the US tries to maintain in and around India will naturally have a fallout somewhere, even if it’s not official.

From Washington’s standpoint - profit from investing in India, secure supply chains, and help the country get only so wealthy that it can pay for American arms. Meanwhile, engage in subversive subnational diplomacy, activate arms import lobbies, actively back conversion rackets, sow social divisions, run disinformation campaigns, manipulate social media, and keep ties with Pakistan warm enough that they can be upgraded when required. On an ideological level, deny India’s Hindu civilizational raison d'être by rebranding decolonization as revisionism. Use a plethora of para state actors which lend the cover of plausible deniability.

Of course, many Indians would claim skeptics see ghosts where there are none. But they exemplify how common sense is rather uncommon these days. They are the same opportunists who may side with the Modi government today in public but trust US MSM as the gospel truth. Even the hardline skeptics refrain from criticizing the US openly. That should be revealing in and of itself.

If India navigates the next twenty years largely on its own terms without stumbling, it would set off real alarm bells in Washington. Even nascent aspirations of turning into a strategically autonomous global power has invited threats of all kinds. Ending foreign subversive operations inside the country, starting with the narrative machine and ending with the tacit support for Islamists and missionaries, won’t come without costs. Bearing these costs when seen appropriate, like how NDA1 did after the nuclear tests, is the wayforward.

Everything depends on indigenizing weapons manufacturing. India doesn’t always need the highest spec kit in the world. It needs good enough kit in large numbers. New Delhi must be laser focused on building its military-technology-industrial complex and that demands bigger budgets. Given the probability of an armed conflict in India’s neighborhood is rising at the fastest rate in decades, neither 2.6% nor 0.7% of GDP probably would suffice as defense and R&D budgets respectively. If the coat has to be cut according the cloth, there’s no other way but to reform, turbocharge the economy, and eventually, cut back on freebies. Money must be freed up for bigger strategic mission-mode projects with severe penalties for bureaucratic underperformance.
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^^^spot on. However there is more.

We need to build up our MIC, but that itself wont be enough to protect Indian interests since it takes time and is fraught with risks. NaMo obviously knows the first part, and therefore is being chanakian in his approach, saama, daana, bheda are being used as needed, and not just in dealing with the US, but all other major powers - while danda is getting more strength and reach. its a high intensity, high octane game. A stable and growing economy is the fuel, not just for our MIC.

See budget allocations for EAM for ex...
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Gurpatwant Pannun Murder Plot: Czech Republic suspends extradition of Nikhil Gupta to US unless apex court gives ruling Unless and until the Czech Constitutional Court provided an appropriate ruling, ...

Read more at: https://organiser.org/2024/02/06/220409 ... es-ruling/
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A_Gupta wrote: 07 Feb 2024 19:59
Gurpatwant Pannun Murder Plot: Czech Republic suspends extradition of Nikhil Gupta to US unless apex court gives ruling Unless and until the Czech Constitutional Court provided an appropriate ruling, ...

Read more at: https://organiser.org/2024/02/06/220409 ... es-ruling/
Hardly a surprising news to me. I expected this to be announced far earlier. Czech PM Petr Fiala was a honored guest(one of only four) at the Vibrant Gujarat Global Summit Jan 10-12 at Gandhinagar, Gujarat and had a special bilateral on the sidelines with PM Modi. From all sources it went extremely well. Nikhil Gupta came up and this is the consequence. Here is the wikipedia page for the 2024 Gujarat Summit and the list and photos of all the honored guests including Fiala is there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Vibr ... bal_Summit

The honored guests were 1. Zahed al Nahyan, President of UAE with whom Modi did a road show in Ahmedabad 2. Petr Fiala PM Czech Republic 3. Jose Ramos-Horta East Timor President 4. Fillipe Nyusi, President of Mozambique.
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G20 sherpa Amitabh Kant slams US envoy’s statement, says ‘protectionism in US is of highest order’
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... t-9140986/
02 February 2024
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Rakesh wrote: 06 Feb 2024 19:59 https://x.com/suryakane/status/1753937514224582753?s=20 --->
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The Five Eyes seem to have reactivated their Khalistani network after their old network in Kashmir got dismantled post-370. It didn’t happen overnight - the Khalistanis were simply kept relatively quiet for nearly two decades and pressed into action when deemed strategically fit. Meanwhile, FCRA licenses are getting cancelled. Shadowy foreign-funded NGOs and think tanks surreptitiously engaging in lawfare are feeling the pain as are Churches and their local political partners. Efforts are on to stabilize the North East which faces direct threats from foreign-backed narcoterror militants from Myanmar. Any effort to dismantle areas of leverage the US tries to maintain in and around India will naturally have a fallout somewhere, even if it’s not official.
Unlike Kashmir - Khalistan has no takers locally in the State and no local violence. But if farmer protests can be done - then it is a different kind of violence. The goal posts are moving and returns are diminishing over time - which is a good sign for India.
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NaMo is the Apara-Chanakya of our times !
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Meanwhile in California Cast case:
The original reason HAF filed a suit to intervene in calcifornial's civilrights suit against Cisc was because the state agency presumed to define what we Hindus believe—and they defined our religion as an unrecognizable casteist morass.

Smaill win -- ecause our action,
calcivilrights had to concede and remove all references to Hinduism!

They also had to remove Iyer and Kompella as defendants.

Our suit in federal court continues....
Linkhttps://x.com/HinduAmerican/status/1755 ... 34676?s=20
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