India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Amber G.]

The general reaction here in USA (and India)
^^^ Modi Killing Terrorists, so don't vote for Modi says Washington Post ...

Washington post (KId you not) also complains about “ghar main ghooske marenge" says Modi ..

Some will say 1001th reason to vote for Modi..

And . Guardian News: India neutralised 20 terrorists on Pak soil ..., Don't vote for Modi..


Meanwhile Washington post is also telling us (Not kidding):

1200 students are detained by American Police for their participation in pro Palestinian protests against genocide...

Seriously most Americans are concerned about :" US/Canada continue to shelter a designated terrorist on their soil:

[sanman]

They're fingering Ajit Doval and RAW chief Samant Goel.

I think this is meant to be a prelude to further action against them by Washington.

[srin]

This is as good as an official declaration of cold war on India by the US deep state.

[sanman]

This is as good as an official declaration of cold war on India by the US deep state.

They think Indians are another p!ss-ant banana republic, like Pakistan or their other subordinate flunky states in Europe or Latin America or Middle East. They think they can just scare us into bending the knee and kissing their ring.

What a pack of fools.

[Amber G.]

I generally don't read WP ( Having stopped my subscription decades back) -- but still found washingtonpost would stoop down to such trash reporting is surprising. All they have to support their conspiracy theory against India is "according to current and former Western security officials." This is ridiculous!

[williams]

This is as good as an official declaration of cold war on India by the US deep state.

That cold war has been going on for years. Our guys know that, and they know our guys know that. Besides WP, NY times and a bunch of these liberal media outlets hate India no matter what. We are dancing with this devil, since we have no choice for now. Time will come when we'll declare that any terrorist wanted by India will be pursued across our borders and if you are sheltering them we will come for them. We just need to be patient until then.

[sanman]

That cold war has been going on for years. Our guys know that, and they know our guys know that. Besides WP, NY times and a bunch of these liberal media outlets hate India no matter what. We are dancing with this devil, since we have no choice for now. Time will come when we'll declare that any terrorist wanted by India will be pursued across our borders and if you are sheltering them we will come for them. We just need to be patient until then.

Next time America - the land that coined the phrase "extraordinary rendition" - kills a foreigner they've labeled a terrorist, then India should not only call out America, but also help countries whose sovereignty America has violated take legal action through ICC, etc.

Furthermore, we should organize nations of the Global South in this regard too. There's strength in numbers, and there are a lot of us.

[krithivas]

A balanced article. Musk did slight India while delivering to his stock holders by prioritizing China. It is a school of hard-knocks for India as her rise is not a walk in the park. While petty “cocaine snorter” Rahul Gundhi was elated Musk did not invest in India for now, I’m glad we have a seasoned mature Modi at the helm. It is good to have more manufacturing jobs in India.

https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-ch ... 024-4?amp

[Pratyush]

This is an example of auto immune disorder within Washington DC when it comes to India.

They have a compulsion to shoot the Indo - US relationship in the head every now and then.

[sanjayc]

I feel the reason for India hatred is Christian bigotry against heathens: "They are a beastly people with a beastly religion," to quote Winston Churchill. A heathen country succeeding and prospering without the guiding light of "Only True Lord God" (of whom Americans are fervent peddlers) is a slap on their face. They won't reconcile to India's rise till they become de-Christianized. India Govt. strategically needs to promote mass conversions towards neo-paganism and atheism in America. That is the only lasting solution. Only a pagan American can be India's genuine friend. Bible thumpers will never allow any long-lasting friendship between the two countries

[vimal]

Waapi and NYT were at the forefront of propaganda against Saddam Hussain and Eyeraq. They are just an extension of SD.

[ramana]

If US were a patient they would be diagnosed with acute schizophrenia with paranoid delusions wrt India.
They rationalize it as good cop -bad cop but show cognitive imbalance.

[Vayutuvan]

Meanwhile - pro Palestine slogan was met with a 'firewall' of Jai Shri Ram slogan!!


In US, countered mob chanting Pro Palestine slogans. He started chanting "Jai Shri Ram" slogans"
Jai Shri Ram

I feel we should not encourage this trend. No need to take sides in a fight which is not ours.

[A_Gupta]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-officials ... =109821934
American Urban Naxals:

Protests at Columbia University against the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza have been allegedly "co-opted" by what New York City police officials described as professional outside agitators bent on sowing chaos and violence.

....


Without identifying them, Weiner said some of the alleged demonstrators unaffiliated with Columbia were active in the Occupy Wall Street protests of 2011, the 2020 so-called "autonomous zone" protests in Minneapolis, Minnesota following the police killing of George Floyd, and the ongoing Stop Cop City demonstrations opposing a police training facility in Atlanta.

"These protests have been and are being influenced by external actors who are unaffiliated with the universities, some of whom have been known to our department and others for many years for their dangerous, disruptive and criminal activity associated with protests for years," Weiner said during Tuesday's briefing. "So, this is not about what's happening overseas, it's not about the last seven months. It's about a commitment to, at times, violent protest activity as an occupation."
...

Other U.S. colleges have also alleged that outside agitators have infiltrated student protests. At the University of Texas in Austin, officials said 45 of the 79 people arrested on campus Monday had no affiliation with the university.

"These numbers validate our concern that much of the disruption on campus over the past week has been orchestrated by people from outside the University, including groups with ties to escalating protests at other universities around the country," University of Texas officials said in a statement. "To date, from protesters, weapons have been confiscated in the form of guns, buckets of large rocks, bricks, steel-enforced wood planks, mallets, and chains.

"Staff have been physically assaulted and threatened, and police have been headbutted and hit with horse excrement, while their police cars have had tires slashed with knives," the statement also said. "This is calculated, intentional and, we believe, orchestrated, and led by those outside our university community."

"We will continue to safeguard the free speech and assembly rights of everyone on our campus, while we protect our University and students, who are preparing for their final exams," the statement concluded.

[Manish_P]

^ American Urban Naxals... are a significant percentage of them of Arabi Nassal?

[hanumadu]

I happened to watch the convocation ceremony of UTDallas Naveen Jindal School of Business last semester. Atleast 30% of undergrad students had muslim names. Probably closer to 40%. I guess other campuses might be having a significant number of arbi nassal. But American public by and large seems to have turned their back on Israel and Jews. So there would be many non arabs or non muslims in the protests at the universities. Heck, I even saw an interview with a Jewish student who was protesting against Israel at one of these universities.

[vera_k]

^ Specifically about the current Israeli regime. This is an article that is doing the rounds to say why Israel preferred war over peace this time and therefore is the aggressor not deserving of support.

‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal

[Manish_P]

... But American public by and large seems to have turned their back on Israel and Jews...

Out of curiosity what is the equation of the hispanic (latino) population in the US with the jews? Most of them follow Catholicism i think.

Especially considering that they are around 20% now and will become a more dominant community within a few decades?

[srin]

Biden calls US allies India, Japan 'xenophobic', says blocking immigrates causes economic woes

WTF is he talking about? Apalled by his ignorance and at the same time, happy that the country which has probably the most widespread data gathering of Indian citizens (via NSA etc) has no idea about Indians

[hgupta]

Biden calls US allies India, Japan 'xenophobic', says blocking immigrates causes economic woes

WTF is he talking about? Apalled by his ignorance and at the same time, happy that the country which has probably the most widespread data gathering of Indian citizens (via NSA etc) has no idea about Indians

Goes to show that he’s not fully in command of his faculties and has to rely on Blinken and others such as SD & NSA speechwriters when he could easily verify that India’s economy is doing well. And that India is not xenophobic but doesn’t want Muslim extremists or rabble rouser that will cause sectarian strife.

Funny he didn’t mention Britain and France trying to kick out Muslims and illegal immigrants.

[sanjaykumar]

Danmark? Yoohoo Danmark?

[titash]

Biden calls US allies India, Japan 'xenophobic', says blocking immigrates causes economic woes

WTF is he talking about? Apalled by his ignorance and at the same time, happy that the country which has probably the most widespread data gathering of Indian citizens (via NSA etc) has no idea about Indians

Goes to show that he’s not fully in command of his faculties and has to rely on Blinken and others such as SD & NSA speechwriters when he could easily verify that India’s economy is doing well. And that India is not xenophobic but doesn’t want Muslim extremists or rabble rouser that will cause sectarian strife.

Funny he didn’t mention Britain and France trying to kick out Muslims and illegal immigrants.

slightly different perspective here.

1) The US is a very unique nation in the fact that immigrants can actually have dual lives - they can be Americans at work and live their own lives as Mexicans / Indians / Muslims after hours without any interference whatsoever. Most Americans will be as polite & kind to a foreigner just like they would be to a native. Of course, there are native-native bhai-bhai preferences when it comes to sports, conversations around girls, sports, school, etc... but my experience over the last 20+ years has been overwhelmingly positive. Based on personal experience and conversations with multiple people, no other country offers that freedom and (largely) non-discriminatory experience. Definitely not India

2) The US will remain the preferred destination for all people globally, that desire better working conditions, better work-life balance, a stable & safe environment, and entrepreneurship. Family & Socio-Religious ties aside, everyone wants to come to the US if possible. No foreigner gets up in the morning and says first thing "One day I'm going to go to China/Japan/India and live there happily ever after". The US is what foreigners dream about and XXX (e.g. China/Japan/India) is what they settle for.

4) The US is the place to be for the world's 'most driven' and 'most ambitious' people. People who just want to chill will eventually find their chill lives disrupted by people who make things happen - either their Boss or their politicians / activists etc. It's the "Astrological Destiny / Vaastu" of the land

Some points made by Biden are quite correct IMHO

JMT

[Dumal]

slightly different perspective here.

1) The US is a very unique nation in the fact that immigrants can actually have dual lives ...., no other country offers that Definitely not India

2) The US will remain the preferred destination .....The US is what foreigners dream about and XXX (e.g. China/Japan/India) is what they settle for.

4) The US is the place to be for the world's 'most driven' and 'most ambitious' people.

Some points made by Biden are quite correct IMHO

Not sure I follow... If India had a fifth of its population now and an economy that was five times bigger, I am sure our policies could be more open to immigration and global innovation that comes from it. But then it is like saying... If my aunt had a beard and wears pants, that'd be my uncle!

In fact we were probably in that mode 500-1000 years back but then the immigrants turned out pure plunderers and we were not united and strong enough to enforce peaceful progress.

And IMO, we had and still have to a large extent a welcoming and integrative society, despite what sections of us lean towards.

[A Deshmukh]

The US will remain the preferred destination for all people globally,

For how long? US inflation is very high now, particularly pinching is the real estate inflation. salaries have not increased by the same multiple.
plus interest rates are now 5%+. so the 20 or 30 year mortgages are very costly.
so the people who have already have houses and loans paid up to a large extent - "the-haves" will be very happy. the inflation will make them feel richer.
the people who are new immigrants - "the-have-nots" - it will be a struggle for them now. once this realization sinks in amongst potential immigrants, the immigration will slow down. JMT.

[Rakesh]

I agree with titash ---> the US will remain the top tier country for the world to move to.

And Deshmukh Saab, I do understand your viewpoint. but that will largely be true for the people who are currently in Amreeka. For the hordes who want to come to the US, issues like real estate inflation, mortgages, etc are a moot point. Many of these immigrants are coming from (for the lack of a better term) shitholes. Compared to that, America is heaven on earth. The financial struggles pale in comparison to the hellhole life they left behind.

See all the migrants from Central and South America that are illegally crossing into the US. They could care less about real estate inflation, mortgages, etc. America is heaven on earth for these people.

It is all about perspective. And your perspective is as valid, as is Titash Saar's.

[vera_k]

What I take away is that India somehow got on the radar as a potential competitor. Similar to how the actor behind the shroud is now in the open wrt Khalistani terror.

[uddu]

Russians may react to it with a statement asking Biden to go back to Europe and leave the native land to the native people. Biden's ancestors butchered, plundered, enslaved and destroyed the native nation. Is Biden wishing such horrors on the natives of the nations that he quoted? Then brought in slaves to work for them. When did U.S start become a nation that was open to immigration? Until recently immigration to the U.S was almost impossible for nonwhites and pretty tough till recent times. Most of the nation that people are migrating from in South America was destroyed by U.S intervention. Even today the grip of U.S administration on them is very visible. Also when there is proper administration and leadership taking over, things do change for good for them. El Salvador cracking down on crime.
They never went through the horrors of Partition on the basis of religion. They just moved their headquarters from U.K to the U.S. Biden is planning on bringing in Palestinians to the U.S. One more term for Biden for a partitioned U.S. A weak U.S is in worlds interest.
The responses has started.
https://x.com/suryakane/status/1785948818208346520

[srin]

What I take away is that India somehow got on the radar as a potential competitor. Similar to how the actor behind the shroud is now in the open wrt Khalistani terror.

Agree. And thank god for Eleven. Because of him and his actions on the border, we're (for the time being) not considered an opponent, we're developing our border infrastructure, we're strengthening our military posture, we're getting help (FWIW and T&C apply) on some technologies such as engines - overlapping interests is such a convenient thing. And it doesn't hurt that US is a good market for IT and we enjoy a BoP surplus against it.
If the Chinese threat subsides or they get a leader in the mold of wolf-in-sheep's-clothing, then the gaze will definitely be on India. The classic play here is to trigger a Maidan revolt. Doesn't matter if it succeeds or not, it just destroys us as a country. We need to prepare for this.

The American deep state is not our friend. So, we need to keep have chai-biscoot with them at all levels, we need to keep selling them our stuff. At the same time, do counter-intel and destroy their Media+NGO+Academia network here that widens the social cracks.

[Manish_P]

... A weak U.S is in worlds interest.

Sir, you just reversed the famous saying to 'Like son, like Father'

(BRF saying - a weak Pakistan is in India's interest)

[uddu]

What happened was that U.S was about to attack and sensing it, Namo did a Dhritarashtra hug. The U.S leadership is still not able to unshackle from that hug. Its a tight hug and a message of friendship to the American people. Its difficult for U.S Administration to unshackle it without raising eyebrows within U.S and losing credibility. Eleven's attack was a bonus.

[uddu]

... A weak U.S is in worlds interest.

Sir, you just reversed the famous saying to 'Like son, like Father'

(BRF saying - a weak Pakistan is in India's interest)

True. Earlier it was easier for the U.S to hide behind Pakistan, while arming and abetting them. Today they themselves and their actions are visible in front of the world.

[sanman]

... But American public by and large seems to have turned their back on Israel and Jews...

The public and the powerful are 2 separate things. Jewish lobby has massive power, and is very potently organized to have legislators on their side -- not only at federal level, but even state level - and even local level for some large urban jurisdictions.
There's also a large and growing Christian Zionist lobby, who believe that Biblical prophecy demands establishment of the state of Israel in order for Jesus to return (to set the state for a final apocalyptic battle)

Out of curiosity what is the equation of the hispanic (latino) population in the US with the jews? Most of them follow Catholicism i think.

Especially considering that they are around 20% now and will become a more dominant community within a few decades?

Jews in the US number at approximately 3 million. Hispanics, by contrast, are 19% of the US population (~66 million people).

[sanman]

Biden calls US allies India, Japan 'xenophobic', says blocking immigrates causes economic woes

WTF is he talking about? Apalled by his ignorance and at the same time, happy that the country which has probably the most widespread data gathering of Indian citizens (via NSA etc) has no idea about Indians

His fellow Democrat/Leftists have propagandized him on CAA. They've told him that CAA shuts out people ("xenophobic")
They go out of their way to conceal the fact that non-Muslims are 2nd-class citizens in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, and thus required rescue.
They also conceal the obvious fact that Muslims of the subcontinent demanded the right to not live in India, by carving out separate lands for themselves.
These are inconvenient truths they'd all rather cover up.

[sanman]

What happened was that U.S was about to attack and sensing it, Namo did a Dhritarashtra hug. The U.S leadership is still not able to unshackle from that hug. Its a tight hug and a message of friendship to the American people. Its difficult for U.S Administration to unshackle it without raising eyebrows within U.S and losing credibility. Eleven's attack was a bonus.

What are you babbling about? Just what are you smoking? Can I have some of that? It must be strong stuff.

Certainly the US can choose to drop India like yesterday's trash. India is not Israel. India is entirely expendable to them. We're brown darkies - just a different shade of sandn!gger - what don't you understand?

It's very easy for the US establishment to declare Modi "fascist" and club us in with Iran, North Korea.

[sanman]

Meanwhile, the US Congress yesterday quickly passed new legislation to declare criticism of Israel to be hate speech.
This is now coupled to the US Civil Rights Act.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... rcna150170

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SekdrZ3Yam0

[Manish_P]

..
Jews in the US number at approximately 3 million. Hispanics, by contrast, are 19% of the US population (~66 million people).

I meant socially... like what is their general view about the Jews - the US based and the Israel based .

friendly/tolerant/indifferent/unfavorable/hostile...

[sanman]

I meant socially... like what is their general view about the Jews - the US based and the Israel based .

friendly/tolerant/indifferent/unfavorable/hostile...

It's a strongly integrated community, which has longstanding roots in America - though mostly since the time of the 1930s/1940s/1950s, when many Jewish refugees fled to North America from Europe.

Born in Canada, I grew up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, where most of my friends were Jewish (both European and North African origins). Indians were few and far between. I lived around the corner from the neighborhood synagogue, which I walked past twice per day, once on the way to school and then again on the way back. I went there various times for my friends' bar-mitzvah and bat-mitzvah ceremonies which marked their reaching adulthood. That synagogue was firebombed a few months ago, due to the recent Middle East strife.

The Israel lobby in the West is very well organized - especially in the all-powerful United States.
That's why you can see US politicians scrambling to launch crackdowns against anyone criticizing Israel, on the pretext it makes Jews feel unsafe.
(Nobody cares when Khalistanis vandalize and deface Hindu temples in US, of course, despite Hindu Americans having higher incomes and paying more in taxes than even American Jews do)

Even here in Canada, Jews are well-organized. I was recently visiting a nearby gurdwara - it was a Khalistan gurdwara, displaying big huge Khallistan banners on it - and even there, I found local Jews showing up and putting on a rumal, to talk with attendees. After all, Sikhs are an increasingly powerful community here, so why won't Jews court them too?
Hindus also show up at gurdwaras too - mostly Indian students eager to gobble up free langar food. (Gujjus will make doubly sure to charge you $$ for any temple food)

[hanumadu]

What happened was that U.S was about to attack and sensing it, Namo did a Dhritarashtra hug. The U.S leadership is still not able to unshackle from that hug. Its a tight hug and a message of friendship to the American people. Its difficult for U.S Administration to unshackle it without raising eyebrows within U.S and losing credibility. Eleven's attack was a bonus.

What are you babbling about? Just what are you smoking? Can I have some of that? It must be strong stuff.

Certainly the US can choose to drop India like yesterday's trash. India is not Israel. India is entirely expendable to them. We're brown darkies - just a different shade of sandn!gger - what don't you understand?

It's very easy for the US establishment to declare Modi "fascist" and club us in with Iran, North Korea.

What does it take for the US to drop India like trash?
Will 2 years of defiance on Russia do it?
How about trying to replace dollar with Rupee in India's trade and also as reserve currency?
Ignoring the US claims in the alleged panun assasination case?

Obviously India either thinks USA has no choice but to engage India or doesn't care if USA drops India or not, like trash I might add.

[sanman]

What does it take for the US to drop India like trash?

Not much - "Last One Hired is First One Fired"

Will 2 years of defiance on Russia do it?

US Deep State's war on Russia, which they've managed to co-opt American Left and RINOs into supporting, is contrary to America's own national interest, which is why there are so many Americans against it. That war is unsustainable, unwinnable, and merely the last gasp of Cold Warriors and their dying ideological order.

How about trying to replace dollar with Rupee in India's trade and also as reserve currency?

Rupee can't replace US Dollar as global reserve currency. Rupee trade is simply meant to reduce dependence upon the US Dollar, and to reduce the risk of US confiscating Indian assets, as US is now starting to do with Russia.

Ignoring the US claims in the alleged panun assasination case?

Not only should India not cooperate with the US in investing on behalf of their beloved new Citizen Binladen, but Indian Americans need to rally support for declaring Pannu a hatemonger. Note that Pannu had loudly publicly demanded "All Hindus Must Leave Canada"
While some Canadian officials have dissociated himself with Pannu's remarks, they all refuse to condemn the man as the sectarian hatemonger he is.
India needs to rally the Global South in condemning the rise of hate groups in the West, which western govts are deliberately turning a blind eye to.
There's strength in numbers.

Obviously India either thinks USA has no choice but to engage India or doesn't care if USA drops India or not, like trash I might add.

The more US tries to arm-twist India over Pannu (they're now fingering NSA Ajit Doval, RAW chief Samant Goel, and RAW officer Vikram Yadav in addition to Nikhil Gupta) then the more India should arm-twist right back.
I predict the Biden govt will be gone in 7 months. Let's see if Trump is willing to change course, or if he tries to continue the wrong track.

[vsunder]

Biden States that India and Japan are Xenophobic Countries


https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-in ... cc9b1bb3ff

He made this statement at a fundraiser where the audience was predominantly Asian Americans. So much for the MUTU's on this forum.