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MeshaVishwas wrote: 21 Nov 2023 06:30 The crass way in which this piece/rant is written, the name of the blogspot leads me to guess that the author is none other than the war wounded (in the testicular area) Retd Major Adil Raza, DHA (Discharged with Echandee).

Yenjaay :mrgreen:
Pakistan military chiefs (and their immediate juniors) have been milking the system in Pakistan since 1947. Nepotism is rampant in Pakistan, just like anywhere else in the world. The most surefire way to live a life of uber luxury (combined with public respect) in Pakistan, is to become an officer in the Pakistan Army (or her sister services). If one sees the quality of life and the five star infrastructure/amenities Pak military officers get or shamelessly acquire, one will be quite shocked. Pak military officers are only lower in reverence and stature to Allah himself. Even the Quaid-E-Azam does not enjoy the level of respect that senior Pak military officers get. But that reverence/respect got a severe beating and a permanent dent, over the recent riots in Pakistan in relation to Imran Khan's imprisonment.

What is surprising that these allegations are now being made public, albeit by this blog (started this month) under a pseudonym i.e. Khamosh Mujahid. One (possible) inference that can be made is that the usual bottom feeders in the system did not get their usual cut and thus decided to go public. Otherwise why upset the apple cart?

One allegation in the blog is indeed true ---> Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmad Babar does indeed have low flying hours* under his belt. He was appointed by former PM Imran Khan to succeed Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan. The rumour mill was that Babar was the compromise candidate, as there was a tussle for the post of Air Chief between Air Marshal Haseeb Paracha (who retired in 2023) and another Air Marshal whose name I cannot remember. The chickens have come home to roost for Im the Dim, the Pakistan Air Force and the nation at large :P

*Low flying hours is not endemic to just one individual in the PAF. Setting aside their propaganda and bluster, Pakistani pilots fly lower hours than many of their neighboring countries. There is just not enough money in the budget to splurge on aircraft, fuel, spares, maintenance, etc. This is really evident in their F-16 fleet, which were being preciously preserved (post the Pressler Amendment) for conflicts. The situation became so precarious, that their F-16 fleet availability was very low and in Kargil, their then Air Chief had raised concerns as to how much longer their F-16s could continue to provide CAP against the IAF, without eating into war reserves. Even their latest model F-16C/D Block 50/52s (18 airframes) fly sparingly, primarily to preserve airframe life and to cut down eating into valuable spares. Thus many of their Viper drivers get their precious flying hours on other platforms i.e. JF-17, J-10CE, etc.

Apart from their ballistic missiles, Pakistan's F-16 fleet is their prime nuclear bomb carrier. Thus their F-16 fleet is *VERY* precious.

But this lack of operational flying on the platform was amply proven in Operation Swift Retort, when they could not shoot down Avenger 1 or 2 (the pair of Su-30MKIs), despite firing multiple AMRAAMs at them. And this despite the AMRAAM having the edge over the older model R-27s and R-77s. But then again - unbeknownst to the PAF at that time - Avenger 1 and 2 were from the IAF's premier EW unit i.e. No 15 Flying Lances.

No 15's exploits are legendary :mrgreen:
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MeshaVishwas wrote: 21 Nov 2023 06:30 The crass way in which this piece/rant is written, the name of the blogspot leads me to guess that the author is none other than the war wounded (in the testicular area) Retd Major Adil Raza, DHA (Discharged with Echandee).

Yenjaay :mrgreen:
One does not have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that a "foreign hand", with deep penetration in the inner sanctum of strategic decision-making in Pakistan,
This has to be the most LGBTQ+ article yet from a military that has always been an icon of that community. Mrs Adila Raza is a testament of pakistani excellence in gender-reassignment.

But good to know India is making them slap each other as per themselves
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Rakesh wrote: 21 Nov 2023 08:45Even their latest model F-16C/D Block 50/52s (18 7airframes) fly sparingly, primarily to preserve airframe life and to cut down eating into valuable spares. Thus many of their Viper drivers get their precious flying hours on other platforms i.e. JF-17, J-10CE, etc.
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But this lack of operational flying on the platform was amply proven in Operation Swift Retort, when they could not shoot down Avenger 1 or 2 (the pair of Su-30MKIs), despite firing multiple AMRAAMs at them. And this despite the AMRAAM having the edge over the older model R-27s and R-77s. But then again - unbeknownst to the PAF at that time - Avenger 1 and 2 were from the IAF's premier EW unit i.e. No 15 Flying Lances.

No 15's exploits are legendary :mrgreen:
Correction Saar- it was F-16 D which went down on 27 Feb 19, so that's 17 or 16 Block 50/52. Remember a F-16 (not sure if it was Block 50/52 or the earlier types) which crashed on 27 Feb 20 in Islamabad- couldn't be hidden publicly as the Paki Awam had all gathered in Islamabad Isloo to celebrate the 1st anniversary of Swift Retreat.

We do not know of other crashes happening out the purview of cameras.
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Can India's Ballistic Missile Defence Program Counter Pakistan's Ababeel MIRV Missile?

Last month, Pakistan successfully test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile, designed to penetrate India's developing air defence system. The Ababeel weapon system is designed to deliver multiple warheads in a single flight. Once deployed, they can effectively hit targets anywhere in India. China-provided optical tracking equipment played a critical role in the launch of the Ababeel medium range ballistic missile last month.

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Disillusioned with the Taliban, Pakistan reverses its four-decade Afghan policy

In August 2021, soon after US forces withdrew completely from Afghanistan, Imran Khan, who was then Pakistan’s prime minister, felicitated the Taliban for “breaking the chains of slavery.” Faiz Hammed, at the time the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s main intelligence agency, visited Kabul and told the media that “everything will be okay.” He was assuring the people of Pakistan that the Taliban’s victory and return to power in Afghanistan would help Pakistan curb religious and nationalist militancy, such as that arising out of the Baloch separatist movement. In November 2023, however, Pakistan’s caretaker prime minister, Anwar-ul-Haq Kakar, claimed that the surge of terrorism in Pakistan after 2021 was linked to the Afghan Taliban’s continued support for groups like the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

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https://x.com/SecondtononePAF/status/17 ... 17055?s=20 ----> Story of F-20 ‘Tigershark’ Trials by the Pakistan Air Force.

Link to article* ---> https://secondtonone.com.pk/wp-content/ ... y-2021.pdf
* From Pages 33 to 35
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https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1731628743981171041

Puki defence forum closing. Curiouser and curiouser. :D
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Lisa wrote: 04 Dec 2023 16:37 https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1731628743981171041

Puki defence forum closing. Curiouser and curiouser. :D
They have apparently moved to a new domain...

But the conspiracy theories (on twitter) are hilarious. My fave so far - 'Pee-D-eFF was forced to shut down by the zionists, who own the internet, for showing support to the chinese' and 'PDF was forced to be shut by the US for objecting to Gaza reporting. IMF was used to put pressure on the Gormint'
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:rotfl: Pakistanis smoke some really Grade AAA quality ganja :rotfl:

VIDEO: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/17319 ... 45755?s=20 ---> In this video now viral on social media, a senior Pakistan Army officer is seen talking to a crowd about invading and occupying #India and imprisoning Modi. And then liberating Palestine followed by the return of the mythical Imam Mehdi. What grandeur delusions.
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As a practice, the crowd then invaded a crore kammandus house, occupied the swimming pool and liberated a peacock.
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Rakesh wrote: 05 Dec 2023 19:58 :rotfl: Pakistanis smoke some really Grade AAA quality ganja :rotfl:

VIDEO: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/17319 ... 45755?s=20 ---> In this video now viral on social media, a senior Pakistan Army officer is seen talking to a crowd about invading and occupying #India and imprisoning Modi. And then liberating Palestine followed by the return of the mythical Imam Mehdi. What grandeur delusions.

This has the same vibes as of Mola Ram in Temple of Doom:

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Mola Ram: The British in India will be slaughtered, then we will overrun the Muslims. Then the Hebrew God will fall!
[pours the blood into Indiana's mouth and down his throat]
Mola Ram: And then the Christian God will be cast down and forgotten.
Regrettably it’s an officer of the army that has nukes…
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Tanaji wrote: 06 Dec 2023 17:44
This has the same vibes as of Mola Ram in Temple of Doom:

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Mola Ram: The British in India will be slaughtered, then we will overrun the Muslims. Then the Hebrew God will fall!
[pours the blood into Indiana's mouth and down his throat]
Mola Ram: And then the Christian God will be cast down and forgotten.
Regrettably it’s an officer of the army that has nukes…
I used to like Temple of Doom but as I grew up I realized that it insulted my religion and that Spielberg was an anti-hindu racist. As a result, I have stopped watching Spielberg movies and do not like anyone that gives financial support to Spielberg.

That actor who played Mola Ram should be ashamed about portraying a white man's caricature of a hindu priest.
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Rakesh wrote: 05 Dec 2023 19:58 :rotfl: Pakistanis smoke some really Grade AAA quality ganja :rotfl:

VIDEO: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/17319 ... 45755?s=20 ---> In this video now viral on social media, a senior Pakistan Army officer is seen talking to a crowd about invading and occupying #India and imprisoning Modi. And then liberating Palestine followed by the return of the mythical Imam Mehdi. What grandeur delusions.
It is a nice site if you like humour !!!
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Have the Talibs hit Pak fauj again Tank?

BIG BREAKING NEWS - Several Pakistani security personnel killed while many injured in an attack by a group of Taliban fighters on Police Headquarter in Tank district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province.

Another terrorist attack rocks Pakistan. Pakistan asks why Taliban attacking on Friday. Taliban says it will free KPK from Pakistan 🔥

This attack comes 3 days after a deadly blast that resulted in death of 23 officers. Pak's trouble to increase ⚡

https://twitter.com/TimesAlgebraIND/sta ... 0622771338

I feel Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be united with Afghanistan and Baluchistan should be made free.
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Frustated Pakistan-China Nexus Attempting to Incite Terrorism in Kashmir

Over Jammu and Kashmir, a storm of frustration, military equipment, and cyber ambitions is gathering strength. Sources suggest that, frustrated by India's increased troop presence in Ladakh after the 2020 border standoff in Galwan, Pakistan is attempting to incite terrorism in Kashmir once more with the support of China in an effort to put pressure on India to redeploy.
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Pakistan Claims to have test fired Fatah-II guided multi-barrel rocket system. The claimed maximum range is upto 400Kms!!!
Which Chinese system has been fired by the Pakis?

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mody wrote: 28 Dec 2023 11:08 ...
Which Chinese system has been fired by the Pakis?..
Variant of the A-100?
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Looks like a much more advanced version of A100 (Export versoin of WS series MLRS)
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https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1741791624571634057?s=20 ---> Very disciplined elite members of the Pak Special Forces' SSG.

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Rakesh wrote: 01 Jan 2024 22:17 https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1741791624571634057?s=20 ---> Very disciplined elite members of the Pak Special Forces' SSG.
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SDREs will not understand 7th gen warfare

This is so that when attacked the elite phyters can quickly discard their topis and ballistic vests and disappear amongst the local abduls.
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https://x.com/RaiReport/status/1742083996270428491?s=20 ---> Pakistan Air Force to retire four ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle PESA radar equipped AWACS aircraft in favour of more advanced AESA radar equipped SAAB 2000 Erieye AEW&C aircraft. Photo: Syed Zohaib Zaidi.

https://x.com/RaiReport/status/1742083996270428491?s=20 ---> In 10 years, the Chinese AWACS aircraft have become obsolete! Tells us many things:

1. Shows us the poor quality of the Chinese military equipment
2. Very high levels of corruption in the Pakistan Air Force
3. Chinese in roads in to the Pakistan military where they can even sell their crap with no consequences
4. We can predict the JF-17 phasing out ceremony in 2027

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In light of operational experience, Chinese now have a lot of user feedback to improve upon. Their subsequent iterations will definitely benefit from the same.
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basant wrote: 02 Jan 2024 19:55 In light of operational experience, Chinese now have a lot of user feedback to improve upon. Their subsequent iterations will definitely benefit from the same.
This might be offtopic so please feel free to delete or move it. Cheeni Army & CCP are corrupt to the hilt, They do not need Pakis to tell them shortcomings in their junk. That winglong fiasco, bandar fiasco in Myanmar there are 100s of examples. Here is latest on their GPS
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Pakistan Shows Interest in Acquiring Chinese J-31 Stealth Fighter Jets

Pakistan's Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Syed Asim Munir, recently stated in a speech that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is currently updating its equipment, possibly acquiring cutting-edge Chinese J-31 stealth fighter fighters as part of this modernization process.

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Is the J-31 in service with the Chinese's, and given most Paki Generals children are in US-UK-AUS without any evidence of any real hard work or technical capabilities, with evidences of corruption money in Pizza chains etc, China knows any serous tech will be compromised immediately.

So this is all Drama Baazi, like their Embraer-390 Maritime strike aircraft, Claiming MLRS without guidance having 400 km range. on 27-Feb-19 we found only the F-16's had useful PGM's and BVRAAM- which found a match in the retiring MiG-21 Bison and rest of the fleet if the PAF decided to stay in the fight and not run away would have been a turkey shoot.

Hence the announced the immediate release of Captured Pilot and dragged it out for 3 days.
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Aditya_V wrote: 03 Jan 2024 11:32 .. China knows any serous tech will be compromised immediately.

So this is all Drama Baazi,...
+1

just Hawa baazi (that too from the pichwaada)
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I wish Pakistan Air Force all the best in their J-31 and TAI Kaan acquisitions. Pakistan Paindabad!

Pak twitter fan boys are now claiming that Project Azam (their own 5th generation fighter program) has been rolled into the TAI Kaan program. So Pakistan will do the usual strategy - paint it green, with that paint being acquired from China and call it homegrown fighter!

The PAF operates a plethora of combat aircraft i.e. JF-17, J-10C, F-16MLU, F-16C/D and the upcoming J-31 and TAI Kaan.
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I sincerely hope the chinese donate a few J-31 to pakis. It is a lot easier to study the J-31 across the western border. Plus the pakis are known for their tactical brilliance and we now seem to have plenty of "unknown" presence.
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Rakesh wrote: 03 Jan 2024 19:58 ...

The PAF operates a plethora of combat aircraft i.e. JF-17, J-10C, F-16MLU, F-16C/D and the upcoming J-31 and TAI Kaan.
Mirage III (ROSE) & Mirage 5 also, sir.
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But without F-16's Amraam and related PGM, the Pakistan Army and related Ununiformed Jihadis know they are toast since the sky will be given to IAF to what it needs to.

Thats why IAF Pilot was released so quickly after Operation Swift retreat.

I must say the extent to which USA has gone to Protect PAF H&D, along with BBC, Bellingcat and other Western Mouthpieces was an eye opener for me.
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Aditya_V wrote: 04 Jan 2024 12:34 But without F-16's Amraam and related PGM, the Pakistan Army and related Ununiformed Jihadis know they are toast since the sky will be given to IAF to what it needs to.
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Not entirely sir. Anti-air ground units are a danger as well, if and when they work.
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We have to be very careful about the ASQRs that may be given for the 5th gen a/c now. Like in case of Arjun, we may later find that the PAF's runways are not designed to operate our a/c later and it will lead to loss of a lot of money.
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Some desi twitter handles have got a vivid imagination, but knowing Pakistan this is likely true :lol:

https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/17429 ... 76261?s=20 ---> Pak Army chief asked for at least 1 Billion USD aid from US in exchange for giving access to J-10C/P and another 1 Billion USD after giving access to J-31.
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PAK-QATAR JOINT AERIAL EXERCISE "ZILZAL-II" KICKS OFF IN QATAR

10 January, 2024: Pakistan Air Force and Qatar Emiri Air Force are all geared up to participate in joint aerial Exercise Zilzal-II, commencing in Qatar. First held in the year 2020, Zilzal-II air exercise is the 2nd in the series of these exercises, hosted by State of Qatar. The exercise is one of the most complex joint air force exercises, which aims at promoting interoperability between the two allied nations while providing an opportunity for shared learning. The exercise will mimic a near realistic aerial warfare scenario coupled with real-time opportunity for the participating Air Forces to test their operational readiness. Exercise Zilzal-II, aimed at improving joint planning mechanism, is considered as a historical benchmark to further solidify the existing defence partnership between the two brotherly countries.

During the exercise, PAF's newly inducted state-of-the-art J-10C fighter aircraft will flex its muscles against Eurofighter jets of Qatar Emiri Air Force in their first ever face-off in an aerial exercise.The successful induction and operationalization of the J-10C fighter jets in PAF's fighter fleet and their participation in yet another international exercise in an unprecedented short span of time is a remarkable achievement. The feat has been achieved in lines with modernization plan of Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmed Baber Sidhu, Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force, premised on smart inductions and focused indegenization. The participation of these fighter jets in the aerial exercise marks a significant milestone in PAF's journey towards a technologically advanced and formidable air force. The rapid acquisition and operationalization of these advanced fighter aircraft showcases PAF's dedication to maintaining a cutting-edge force, capable of meeting evolving challenges and defending Pakistan's airspace with utmost proficiency.

Exercise Zilzal-II serves as a platform to foster greater understanding, cooperation and friendship between Pakistan Air Force and Qatar Emiri Air Force, contributing to regional stability and security. Pakistan Air Force remains committed to its mission of safeguarding the skies, strengthening international alliances and promoting peace through mutual cooperation.
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PTV video from PoJK side of LoC, looks like TSPA are learning from their Terrorist bedfellows(Hamas insects) and building a lot of tunnels to avoid easy detection.
Also the repeated false narrative that their civilians are being deliberately targeted may mean a lot of these terror tunnels are under active civilian population areas.
Maybe readying for something, West Asia conflict lessons?
Hope Indian media gets ready for the info war.
Another interesting bit was one where they attempt to cross a mock LoC using wire cutters etc.
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Fizzleya modernization video by their PR team
Some points that I have jotted down;
1.Retirement of "Legacy" systems like the Mirage 3/5, F-7, ZDK-03 & CN-235.(Last two are surprising)
Reason stated is that the combat effectiveness and training value of these are reduced in the current era.
2.J-31 acquisition and it's alleged favourable effect on the air power balance.
3. Turkish and Chinese UAVs, armed and otherwise.
4.GBADS from China and something they call Horizon-7.
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Surprising that there is almost zero or very little footage of their beloved F-16s. The J-10CE seems to be hogging the most limelight.
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The only TV entertainment on the flight ---> how to die like a true jihadi and get 72 hoors :P

https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/174711 ... 31811?s=20 --->

Pakistan Air Force enter airline business to generate funds.

Sets up Air Eagle Pvt Ltd for commercial aviation purposes.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68014882


Islamabad had a strong incentive to try to restore deterrence, especially with Iran on the offensive around the wider region deploying direct strikes and proxies to hit out at threats and rivals. In effect, if Pakistan had held back, it would have faced the risk of additional strikes."
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