Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 03 Feb 2019 12:33

souravB wrote:
pankajs wrote:Why do we need a base in Nepal for that kind of a message? Does anyone doubt India as a nuclear power that will be resolved ONLY when we have a military base in Nepal or doubt our ability to create trouble inside Nepal from across the border.

No one doubts it, but comes a time when it becomes imperative to assert it. And having a base does give us other benefits security wise too.
If "no one doubts it" what is the "imperative to assert it"? Looking more a "desire" than a "need". A base in Nepal gives us no extra benefit that a base on the Indian side across 1,700+ km of open and porous border does not.

souravB wrote:
pankajs wrote:Glad that you brought Sri Lanka and Maldives into the picture. That only underlines my point that focus is more critical in the IOR rather than the Himalayas.

Sir Lanka has assured us that the port is for commercial use only and in Maldives no base was required to get the change desired. The Maldives defense minister made a very interesting observation on her recent visit to India. I fully agree with her.
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"pragmatism" is to focus limited resources where the risks are most visible i.e. in the IOR and not Himalayas and certainly not from the China-Nepal rail link.

These were crises averted. Maldives has agreed for the radar station which in future could be expanded into something else. In SL we already took over a nonviable airport but still reasons are there.
'pragmatism' is also thinking ahead and plan accordingly. Just as IOR, neighbours are ought to be taken into consideration. The problem lies with thinking these are separate issues but they are not. The immediate implications for us might be different but in the long run these have similar goals.
We are looking for bases/basing arrangements/facilities in Seychelles, Djibouti, Duqm, etc because of the spread of the IOR and the distances involved.

OTOH, we did not need a base inside Maldives to turn things around and neither are we looking for any such base inside Sri Lanka either in the short-term or the long-term.

Now why do we need a base in Nepal which is just across an long and open border, a country that is not deep at any point and has quite a few Indian army cantonments along its length?

'pragmatism' is to learn to being able to differentiate between needs and desires and prioritize needs over desires including the desire to "assert it" when "No one doubts it".

souravB wrote:
pankajs wrote:Base inside Nepal will give us option that base just across the border inside India will not give across a 1,700+ km open border? Highly unlikely. And we did not need a base inside Maldives to monitor and get the desired results.

Lastly, IF China-Nepal rail link is a question of trade/economics/debt then a base is not the answer. Infact, such talk will only create an impression of "loosing sleep". That is how Nepal, China and the world will read it no matter how it sounds to us Indians.


But it is never about trade/economics, it is about debt. Do we pay off the debt when Nepal cannot pay it back? How many debts we pay back? How about we think in future tense for once and send the message that trade/economics is okay, but security provider can only be moi.
Also a base inside Nepal is crucial, not only for messaging but for our internal security as well. Think Type56s, drugs, Jihadis coming through the porous border. Our intelligence agencies could work well with a proper base.

First, China-Nepal rail link is about trade/economics. You either get the rail link stopped or deal with its "trade/economic" fallout but a base inside Nepal will not help counter it.

Second, IF China-Nepal rail link leads to a debt situation ... well an Indian base inside Nepal will not help counter it i.e the debt. For that you have to get the project cancelled or figure out some other workaround.

Third, debt build up in Nepal will not just be because of China-Nepal rail link but other projects too like dam, road and other such infra projects. Will additional bases inside Nepal be answer to those projects too. If one carries the logic to its logical conclusion one will realize that a base is not an answer to a debt problem.

Fourth, when I am thinking of "Type56s, drugs, Jihadis" I am even more baffled. Does anyone doubt that "Type56s, drugs, Jihadis" kind of things are flowing across the India-Nepal border? At any point in the past did we see a base inside Nepal as a solution to such issues? If not why it become the solution for such flows now when it was not in the past? Our intelligence agencies don't need a safe base inside Nepal when they have a long and porous Indo-Nepal border.

Fifth, You need to make up your mind on why a base is required in Nepal at all.
1. First it was Chicken's neck
2. Then it was to force "China has to deploy forces in some treacherous terrains" i.e Increase the Chinese cost to guard the Nepal-China border.
3. Then it was "Also Nepal is talking to Cheen about a Rail line, what do you suppose Cheen is doing that for? so that they have a base there in the future."
4. Then it became about debt and its fallout via "But it is never about trade/economics, it is about debt."
5. And now it is "Type56s, drugs, Jihadis".

Looks like a solution in search of a problem. Maybe it is all of the above but a base is certainly not an answer to any one of those. All the security related issues can be taken care of from within the Indian borders when there is ample easy access to Nepal via the 1,700+ km of open and porous borders. Trade/Economic/Debt issues cannot be countered by bases.

The more I hear the more it is looking like a "desire" of a base inside Nepal instead of a "need" hidden behind the veil of "pragmatism".

Here I am not dismissing the "need" for a new Nepal policy or even the "need" for a new economic/trade/debt policy wrt Nepal.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Feb 2019 09:31

Prasad wrote:Please read my latest - On Supercomputing - http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/01/2 ... orting-it/

Prasad, that was an excellent write-up.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Feb 2019 13:04

New Dangers Along The Border For India: Claude Arpi - Claude Arpi, Indian Defence News

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 04 Feb 2019 13:23

SSridhar wrote:
Prasad wrote:Please read my latest - On Supercomputing - http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/01/2 ... orting-it/

Prasad, that was an excellent write-up.

Thank you sir!

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 04 Feb 2019 13:24

souravB wrote:
Prasad wrote:If you listen closely, you'll see the fear of banning Chinese students from american universities is clear and present amidst the troo deep state fellows. They fear Trump might act rashly and do this exact thing and actually help China in the long run. Remember China kickstarted its efforts in semicon when the us tech-denied China's imports of Xeon-Phi processors. That made them sit up and say eff it, we're going the desi way and they pumped in massive amounts in both legit and non-legit ways to access tech. End result? They stole some tech and have a chapamar processor. And made their own tech and have their own processor.

Please read my latest - On Supercomputing - http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/01/2 ... orting-it/

OT
Sir excellent article but to add, the Microprocessor development program has three entities working concurrently namely C-DAC, IIT-M and IIT-B, all following different program. Only C-DAC is specifically targeting the HPC sector. The parallel processor from IIT-M is an off shoot from their research, they are mainly focusing on consumer grade chips. So in all probability, the HPC chips would come from C-DAC.

Thank you! CDAC part of it needs a separate article and some face-to-face time with someone up high from there :)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby souravB » 05 Feb 2019 03:20

Prasad wrote:Thank you! CDAC part of it needs a separate article and some face-to-face time with someone up high from there :)

Sir, it would be great if you do that. Also C-DAC personnel may have an idea which program IIT-B took. Google search returns nothing useful and they are also awfully mum about it.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 05 Feb 2019 07:27

Huawei Sting Offers Rare Glimpse of the U.S. Targeting a Chinese Giant



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... nese-giant

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 06 Feb 2019 10:36

Norway Intelligence Service Adds Huawei on National Security Threat List

https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/norw ... hreat-list

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 07 Feb 2019 09:29

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/asia ... index.html

pop woes coming to china. not that india is immune, will just happen slower here due to unruly progress in narth and east,

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ks_sachin » 07 Feb 2019 09:43

IF we have to de-fang the Chinese because they are the dragon
What do we have to do to the Pakistanis - what animal do we associate with the failed and decripit state?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 07 Feb 2019 09:58

a multi headed serpent a hydra. cut a few heads off and more will grow.

the problem with TSP is it is a thin layer of political construct over historically a very unsettled area once islam came and wiped out hinduism and buddhism from the "spaces between dimensions" that is AFPAK in between the settled persian and indian civilizations. such cracks in the woodwork is always where the rule of formal constructs is weak.

on top of that add the brains of the ruthless, smart and ambitious pakjabi and mohajir elites who control the foot soldiers and legions.....all 200 mil of them, not a small number. add a massive army for its size of economy.

afghanistan remains a failed state fractured along tribal, ethnic and shia-sunni lines. and a good part of pakistan is also culturally contiguous. water scarcity is already starting to bite. emigration cannot save a country that populous.

bangladesh will exceed TSP by GDP within a few years, it has caught up rapidly. but where will the 200 mil souls in TSP find productive things to work on, even india is finding it tough to meet the aspirations of its large youth bulge. manufacturing may continue to hug east asia, using the large population base and looser environmental concerns of Indonesia once all of vietnam is ushered onto the factory floor. India can develop on its giant internal market , but for TSP that is not big enough. their educated middle class is emigrating out any way they can to english speaking nations and gulf.

so they will lurch along, making threats and crying alternately to extract rent for "blocking india" but in essence if Iran is stable our trade route to CAR states (who are not btw major trade partners) is open. our major EXIM partners are EU, USA, Dubai, Singapore, Cheen, Soko, Japan, Aus and we control the sea routes which TSP cannot dispute. they can no more block us than powerful mughal cavalry could block the european sea routes.


see here - none of russia or CAR states are in top22 of our trade partners list. and NONE can be blocked or even disrupted by PN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... s_of_India

threat of war is receding fast with TSP we need to retarget our vast resources on that front into a more border policing role / CT (think IDF posture along gaza strip wall and lebanon front) role and pivot to the himalayas. there too, the threat from China is low. they have their own internal messes to clean up.
their bluff was called in doklam and sitting there in open under the targeting radars of unseen pinaka batteries would have been a sobering thought.


we can probably get by long term with a more modern army of less than half the current size. provided more C3I , artillery and mobility. and likewise paramils can be reduced too unless idea is to create jobs. our IN needs building up to a global role by 2050 and the planning must start now.
ships and fleets are long lead items.


I saw a program called undercover asia on a singapore news channel this week. it was about the high price of cancer drugs in china under WTO regime that leads desperate people to come to india to buy in bulk and smuggle them past customs - non approved generics are banned in china. so there are internet sellers, internet based indian doctors, chinese travel agencies who bring them and even one chinese guy who was jailed then relocated to settle in india and runs a pharmacy in delhi to help chinese patients who visit. gurgaon fortis and many pharmacies were shown. china is suffering a terrible bulge in cancer rates due to early uncontrolled pace of industrialization. govt has signed WTO and their health plan for free cancer meds kicks in only after someone spend a lot of out pocket like 32K USD one patient was saying. cancer hotels exist in major cities for patients to camp in. in india those meds are 5-10X cheaper and despite some fakery, are good enough.

they showed the protagonist of one of the most popular films of 2018 on a cancer patient who helps others get cheap generics from India

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN1K80TH

Cancer drug movie strikes nerve in China, becomes box-office hit
Christian Shepherd, Pei Li

3 Min Read

BEIJING (Reuters) - A low-budget Chinese movie about a leukemia patient who turns to smuggling cheaper cancer drugs from India has struck a chord with Internet users and even the country’s leaders, spotlighting national anxieties about unaffordable hospital care.
Director Wen Muye poses for a picture with cast members and crew of the movie Dying To Survive at the 21st Shanghai International Film Festival, in Shanghai China June 16, 2018. Picture taken June 16, 2018. REUTERS/Stringer

For years, China has promised healthcare reforms to dispel concerns about overpriced medicines and widen distribution of resources that tend to focus care in big inner-city hospitals, but progress has been slow.

“Dying to Survive”, which is loosely based on the real-life exploits of a cancer patient jailed for leading a Dallas Buyers Club-style group that illegally imported drugs, raked in $390 million in its two-week run, box office tracker EntGroup said.

Internet users welcomed how the film, one of the year’s top-grossers, tackled a flashpoint social issue head-on, a rarity in strictly censored China, with some saying the film-makers struck a careful tone to steer clear of censors.

The film directly hits “a social wound” about not being able to get hospital treatment, said Gao Wei, an industry expert at the China Centre for Globalization.

“As a film that criticizes what is actually happening, it could only become popular because it got the level of criticism right to pass China’s censors.”

China has a universal medical insurance program for the bulk of its population, although coverage remains thin and highly focused on basic medical care.

The film has sparked heated debate about the cost of medical care, with patients struggling for access to drugs to treat serious diseases, and often paying from their own resources.

Beijing has been trying to force down the cost of drugs, especially those used to treat cancer, by cutting import tariffs, negotiating steep price cuts with global pharmaceutical firms and putting more medicines on its reimbursement list.

New drug approvals also lag far behind developed markets such as the United States, which has long forced patients to look overseas via gray markets to get access to medicine.

“Dying to Survive” features a struggling shopkeeper who imports cheap Indian drugs banned by Chinese authorities to earn a quick buck, but soon finds himself sympathizing with patients’ plight, and risking everything to help them.

Even Premier Li Keqiang cited the film in an appeal on Wednesday to China’s regulators to “speed up price cuts for cancer drugs” and “reduce the burden on families”, made in an official statement on the government’s website.

“This little step might actually be a big step for domestically-made films,” said critic Yang Eryu in comments on the popular WeChat account of the magazine Vista Story.

Reporting by Christian Shepherd and Pei Li; Editing by Adam Jourdan and Clarence Fernandez
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 07 Feb 2019 10:16

what we need to do
- drain the swamp of economic corruption - being done atleast by NDA govts
- streamline our power , road, transport, tax networks - being done even by UPA regimes
- develop internal markets and reduced manufactured imports and reduce exports of cheap raw materials that we import as high value goods (export ore from goa and buy back cars!)
- develop competencies at high end to close the gap with US/EU/Japan
- develop good industrial training at medium end for more value added manufacturing
- river linking to resolve the perpetual droughts in south-central india which is only going to get worse by climate change
- reduce the pop growth rate in north and east. west and south are below replacement rate of 1.3 / woman i believe now or converging there

TSP and Cheen are mostly neutralized by the natural weight of the growing elephant and deft policy moves.

God has also gifted us open access to the worlds oceans unlike Russia & Cheen which is bottled up on all sides by powerful foes. start out from trivandrum and your next port of call south is antarctica itself. also we are blessed with friendly and sensible nations around the whole IOR rim barring ofcourse the hydra.

it is our game to lose. only bad boneheaded policy can hijack our rise.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 07 Feb 2019 12:43

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... ons-policy
Is China about to abandon its ‘no first use’ nuclear weapons policy?
The United States is still decades ahead in nuclear weapons development but a successful test late last year of China’s new submarine-launched ballistic missile, the JL-3, is cause for concern in Washington.

The test signals that China is moving ahead with a new class of strategic submarines called SSBNs, vessels that could be equipped with nuclear-armed JL-3s and that would be more difficult to detect than conventional land-based nuclear weapons.
....
According to Zhao Tong, a fellow in Carnegie’s Nuclear Policy Programme, based at the Carnegie–Tsinghua Centre for Global Policy, the US and its allies are stepping up their anti-submarine warfare in the South China Sea and the Indian Ocean.

But what caught my eyes ..
But China trails the US in these areas by decades, a technological gap that means Beijing could only for now work on its capacity to retaliate, or “second strike” options.

One military source said that unlike the US, China was incapable of launching a pre-emptive strike and so had little choice but to retain its “no first use” policy.
...
Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping said China’s nuclear capability was also well behind that of Russia. The US and Russia combined have more than 90 per cent of the world’s nuclear weapons.

“China needs to strengthen and improve its at-sea nuclear deterrent capability by increasing both the quality and quantity of its SSBNs and attack subs because the US is making every effort to restrain Chinese strategic subs from sailing further,” Song said.
...
A retired naval official said the Central Military Commission, which is chaired by President Xi Jinping and oversees the military, had set aside an enormous sum of money for upgrading and replacing China’s naval weapons, particularly its SSBN fleet.

“Funding is not a problem – the navy has so much money to burn,” the former warship commander said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The commander said China hoped to narrow its technology gap with the US in SSBNs from 30 years to about 10 years by 2025, when both the next generation of these subs and of submarine-launched ballistic missiles would join the navy.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 07 Feb 2019 16:33

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australa ... australian
Chinese billionaire Huang Xiangmo stripped of Australian residency, banned from returning over ‘political interference’ concerns
Officials in Australia denied Sydney resident Huang Xiangmo a passport, rejecting his application to become an Australian citizen and cancelling his permanent residency, leaving him stranded in Beijing, the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspapers reported.

Huang, who has been at the centre of a spate of political interference concerns, has donated millions to Australia’s two main political parties and been photographed with key figures including former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and opposition leader Bill Shorten.

But he has come under scrutiny for alleged links to the United Front Work Department – a Chinese Communist Party-linked body accused of neutralising opposition and buying political influence around the world.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 07 Feb 2019 16:57

Not worth more than a data point but data point it is ...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/ ... isma-steal
Chinese intelligence hacked Norwegian software firm Visma to steal client secrets, investigators say

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Prasad » 07 Feb 2019 21:55

To neuter & defang, you need to know what they're up to - https://www.cnas.org/publications/repor ... i-strategy

This is a looong read. But read it in full. That is what we're up against.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 08 Feb 2019 07:16

I am a bit skeptical of the whole AI as platinum bullet hype in media

AI as field has been in existence for many decades now.

I have not seen a whole huge benefit in daily life from this ai/ml thing other than ppl posturing on linkedin

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 08 Feb 2019 07:21

Cnn

Grand Cayman (CNN Business)Apple's business model in China will probably clash with the desires of Beijing's authoritarian government, Ian Bremmer predicted on Thursday.

"I think that within five to 10 years max, Apple doesn't have a model in China," Bremmer said during a presentation at the Cayman Alternative Investment Summit. Bremmer is the president and founder of consulting firm Eurasia Group.
Apple (AAPL) relies on China for a chunk of its revenue. China is such an important market for Apple that the company issued a rare sales warning last month because of slowing growth and rising trade tensions there.
But Bremmer argues that Apple is the antithesis of what Beijing wants.
"Apple is really good at high-end consumer products that have secure data. Why would China want you to have that?" Bremmer asked. "That's completely opposed to the Chinese model."

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Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Peregrine » 09 Feb 2019 18:11

China 'firmly opposes' PM Modi's Arunachal visit; India hits back – PTI

NEW DELHI: India on Saturday said that Arunachal Pradesh is an "integral and inalienable part" of the country after China "firmly opposed" Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to the sensitive border state.

Condemning Prime Minister Modi's visit, China today asserted that it has never recognised the sensitive border state and the Indian leadership should refrain from any action that may "complicate the boundary question".

Reacting sharply to China's remarks, the ministry of external affairs said the state of Arunachal Pradesh is an "integral and inalienable part" of India and this position has been conveyed to the Chinese side multiple times.

"Indian leaders visit Arunachal Pradesh from time to time, as they visit other parts of India. This consistent position has been conveyed to the Chinese side on several occasions," the MEA spokesperson said in a statement.

Prime Minister Modi today inaugurated and laid foundation stone of projects in Arunachal Pradesh worth over Rs 4,000 crore and said his government was giving a lot of importance to improve connectivity in the border state.

Modi said his government was giving importance to improve the highway, railway, airway and power situation in Arunachal Pradesh, which was neglected by the previous governments.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying in response to a question on Modi's sisit said, "China's position on the China-India boundary question is consistent and clear-cut. The Chinese government has never recognised the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh' and is firmly opposed to the Indian leader's visit to the East Section of the China-India boundary."

“China urges the Indian side to bear in mind the common interests of the two countries, respect the interests and concerns of the Chinese side, cherish the momentum of improvement in bilateral relations, and refrain from any action that may lead to the escalation of disputes or complicate the boundary question," she said in her reaction posted on the Chinese foreign ministry's website.

China claims the north-eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh as part of southern Tibet.
India and China have so far held 21 rounds of talks to resolve the border dispute.

The India-China border dispute covers 3,488-kmlong Line of Actual Control (LAC). China routinely objects to Indian leaders visiting Arunachal Pradesh to highlight its stand.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... -lithuania
China denies ‘ridiculous’ spying allegations by Lithuania

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 10 Feb 2019 08:01

The 3 baltic states are murican puppets like poland

Their sore point is the heavily armed russian port and weapons enclave of kaliningrad that sits in the middle

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 10 Feb 2019 21:00

https://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/hu ... aw-warning
Huawei threatens court case if Czech agency does not withdraw warning

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 10 Feb 2019 22:20

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... es-working
China hits back at European Union’s claim it has 250 spies working in Brussels

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Neshant » 10 Feb 2019 22:47

While other Muslim countries are silent, Turkey has been the first speak up on the issue.

Respect for Edrogan, unlike other fake leaders babbling about Muslim "brotherhood" but staying silent.

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China's treatment of Uighurs is 'embarrassment for humanity': Turkey

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 924649.cms

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 11 Feb 2019 20:27

US sails two warships close to disputed island chain in South China Sea; angers Beijing - PTI
The US sailed two guided-missile destroyers close to the disputed islands in the South China Sea on Monday to challenge China's excessive maritime claim, drawing the ire of Beijing which accused Washington of trying to "stir up trouble".

The USS Spruance and USS Preble sailed within 12 nautical miles of the Spratly Islands as part of what the US Navy calls a "freedom of navigation operation," CNN reported.

The move angered Beijing at a time when the US and China ton are locked in a trade war and are negotiating a deal ahead of a March 1 deadline when US tariffs on USD 200 billion worth of Chinese imports are expected to increase to 25 per cent from 10 per cent.

Reacting to the US' move, China accused Washington of trespassing in its territorial waters.

The US is "determined to stir up trouble in the South China Sea, create tension and undermine peace", Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a press briefing.

She urged the US to cease the "provocative actions".


Monday's operation was carried out "to challenge excessive maritime claims and preserve access to the waterways as governed by international law," Commander Clay Doss, a spokesman for the US Navy's 7th Fleet, said.

"All operations are designed in accordance with international law and demonstrate that the United States will fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows," Doss said, adding "that is true in the South China Sea as in other places around the globe."

The operation was the second in the South China Sea reported by the US Navy this year. In January, the destroyer USS McCampbell sailed within 12 nautical miles of the Paracel Islands.

Shortly after that operation, China accused the US of trespassing in its territorial waters — and said it had deployed missiles "capable of targeting medium and large ships."


In late September, the USS Decatur also sailed within 12 nautical miles of Gaven and Johnson reefs in the Spratly Islands as part of a similar freedom of navigation operation.

During that operation, a Chinese destroyer came within 45 yards of the US warship, forcing it to maneuver to avoid a collision. The US labeled the Chinese warship's actions unsafe and unprofessional, while Beijing said the US was threatening the safety and sovereignty of China.

The two countries have traded barbs over what US said was Beijing's military installation building on artificial islands and reefs.

Over the last five years China has rapidly built artificial islands housing significant military infrastructure on what had been low-lying reefs. The United States has criticised China for militarising the islands by constructing long runways used by jet fighters and deploying anti-aircraft missiles.

China says the construction is necessary for defence, and it was the US that was responsible for tensions by sending warships and military planes close to islands Beijing claims.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby SSridhar » 12 Feb 2019 21:15

Russian, Chinese lasers threaten US satellites: Pentagon - IANS
A new Pentagon report has warned that China and Russia were both developing space capabilities to threaten the US, including lasers that could target and destroy American satellites.

“China and Russia, in particular, are developing a variety of means to exploit perceived US reliance on space-based systems and challenge the US position in space,” the Defence Intelligence Agency report said on Monday.

The report titled, “Challenges to Security in Space”, examines Russian, Chinese, Iranian and North Korean space capabilities, CNN reported.


US satellites play a critical role in everything from navigation, weapons targeting and intelligence gathering, including keeping tabs on North Korea’s nuclear weapons programme and monitoring Russian and Chinese military activity.

They also house sensors involved in detecting enemy missile launches.

The report has detailed a variety of Russian and Chinese anti-satellite weapons, including electronic warfare systems, directed-energy weapons and “kinetic” anti-satellite missiles.

It said both Beijing and Moscow were “likely” pursuing “laser weapons to disrupt, degrade, or damage satellites and their sensors”.

“China likely will field a ground-based laser weapon that can counter low-orbit space-based sensors by 2020, and by the mid-to-late 2020s, it may field higher power systems that extend the threat to the structures of non-optical satellites,” the report said.


President Donald Trump’s administration is actively considering placing advanced sensors in space as part of its recent Missile Defence Review, which was unveiled last month.

The report warned that China also has an operational missile capable of hitting satellites in low-Earth orbit while Russia is in the process of developing one.


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Postby Singha » 14 Feb 2019 11:40

slick Cheen scifi film opens to rave reviews



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Postby chola » 14 Feb 2019 16:53

Singha wrote:slick Cheen scifi film opens to rave reviews



The flick made $420M in 8 days. With that kind of money we will see more of these.

I wish Bolly/Tolly/Kolly/Mollywood could grace us with good sci-fi.

The chinis, Koreans and especially Japs do better LotR-type fantasies and sci-fi and it has an affect on their population and their dreams. The impression of the Far East is one of exotic culture infused with technology. India through Bollywood is all songs and dances which in Amreeki view puts us on level with their own black population and the dark populations around the globe. Dark peoples sing and dance good. Technology coolness, though, is reserved for the White heros and to smaller extent, the Oriental.

That is why Black Panther was such a breakthrough in 2018. Finally, a technologically advance black nation, Wakanda, appeared on screen.

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Postby Peregrine » 17 Feb 2019 18:13

China surveillance firm tracking millions in Xinjiang: Researcher – Reuters

BEIJING: A Chinese surveillance firm is tracking the movements of more than 2.5 million people in the far-western Xinjiang region, according to a data leak flagged by a Dutch internet expert.

An online database containing names, ID card numbers, birth dates and location data was left unprotected for months by Shenzhen-based facial-recognition technology company SenseNets Technology Ltd, according to Victor Gevers, co-founder of non-profit organisation GDI.Foundation, who first noted the vulnerability in a series of social media posts last week.

Exposed data also showed about 6.7 million location data points linked to the people which were gathered within 24 hours, tagged with descriptions such as "mosque", "hotel," "internet cafe" and other places where surveillance cameras were likely to be found.

"It was fully open and anyone without authentication had full administrative rights. You could go in the database and create, read, update and delete anything," said Gevers.

China has faced an outcry from activists, scholars, foreign governments and UN rights experts over what they call mass detentions and strict surveillance of the mostly Muslim Uighur minority and other Muslim groups who call Xinjiang home.

According to its website, SenseNets works with China's police across several cities. Its Shenzhen-listed parent company NetPosa Technologies Ltd has offices in a majority of Chinese provinces and regions, including Xinjiang.

SenseNets and NetPosa, as well as the Xinjiang regional government, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Sunday.

The Chinese government has ramped up personal surveillance in Xinjiang over recent years, including the construction of an extensive video surveillance system and smartphone monitoring technology.

Gevers said the foundation directly alerted SenseNets to the vulnerability, in line with GDI.Foundation protocol. He said SenseNets did not respond, but that it has since taken steps to secure the database.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby chola » 17 Feb 2019 18:32

^^^ I posted this in the Pulwama thread. I can only wish we do the same in Kashmir.

Though the prefered method for me would be Burma’s.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Feb 2019 23:41

Few months back they're dead against anything hurting Chinese interests

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Haresh » 18 Feb 2019 16:32

Britain 'believes Huawei 5G security risks can be mitigated'

I understand Huawei have been invited to set up 5G in India. :eek: :eek:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ ... mitigated/

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Postby Singha » 18 Feb 2019 19:41

i read a paper on cloud data forensics today conducted by a US univ.
they tested 3 popular public cloud "drives" where people may store and delete data from their desktops to access from any device.
in all cases, 100s of pieces of context metadata, deleted files etc were left behind for the vendor or big govt to pickup.

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Postby Singha » 18 Feb 2019 19:54

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#BREAKING | Maldives court orders arrest of ex-leader Yameen for money laundering, reports AFP

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Kati » 18 Feb 2019 20:47

Ex-Coca-Cola engineer charged with stealing secrets for Chinese firm

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/unit ... inese-firm

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Postby Kati » 18 Feb 2019 21:00

Former Coca-Cola Scientist Is the Latest to Be Indicted in U.S. Crackdown on China-Related IP Theft

http://fortune.com/2019/02/15/us-china- ... -xiaorong/

Another week, another China-linked case about intellectual property theft. This time, U.S. authorities have charged a Chinese-born, Michigan-based engineer—a former Coca-Cola employee—with the attempted theft of trade secrets valued at almost $120 million.

You Xiaorong, also known as Shannon You, worked as a principle engineer for global research at an unnamed Atlanta company from 2012-2017, the Justice Department said Thursday. Coca-Cola told the Wall Street Journal that it was the company in question.

At Coke, You had access to trade secrets regarding the development of new coatings for the inside of cans and other containers, that were free of bisphenol-A (BPA)—a coating that was used for a long time but that is now known to have harmful effects. She then went on to work for a packaging company in Tennessee where she also had access to trade secrets.


According to the indictment, she then took trade secrets to China, in order to give them to a state-backed company there. U.S. prosecutors—who have recently lobbed intellectual property theft charges at Huawei and a Chinese former Apple employee—said this formed part of a pattern.

In the context of the U.S.-China trade war, which is partly about the issue of IP theft, it is now beyond doubt that the Justice Department is trying to send China a message.

“The conduct alleged in today’s indictment exemplifies the rob, replicate and replace approach to technological development,” said Assistant Attorney General John Demers. “Unfortunately, China continues to use its national programs, like the ‘Thousand Talents,’ to solicit and reward the theft of our nation’s trade secrets and intellectual property, but the Justice Department will continue to prioritize investigations like these, to ensure that China understands that this criminal conduct is not an acceptable business or economic development practice.”

You wasn’t the only one charged in this case—so were Chinese national Liu Xiangchen and an unnamed third co-conspirator. Liu apparently manages the Chinese company that would have manufactured products based on the allegedly stolen secrets, and paid You with money and part-ownership of a new company that would have “owned” the secrets.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 18 Feb 2019 22:12

:rotfl: not even coke formula is probably safe. sacrilege - coke , bud, macd, nike, levis, F150 pickup, AR15 rifle, Colt 0.45 these are iconic american brands....you take away a country's "soul" you leave it with nothing.


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