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Grandma dying of cancer glad she'll finally be free of Justin Trudeau

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Remember "snakes in the backyard"?

Canada's McGill University in Montreal now gets its first Gaza protest encampment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16Qvm7gEjc
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Trudeau Greeted with Chants of Khalistan While Attending Sikh Rally

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Canadian MPs Unhappy Security Officials Didn't Warn Them About Chinese Hacking

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Trudeau Says Protests Should Not Be Allowed When They Make Jewish Students Feel Unsafe

https://youtu.be/-nn9LA5aE4s


Ohh, but Khalistan rallies can be totally allowed when they make Hindus feel unsafe.
When Khalistanis show up to a Diwali celebration to do stone-pelting against it, then Trudeau has nothing against that
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Canada Arrests Alleged Hit Men Involved in Nijjar Killing

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Canada arrests 3 Sikh men part of Lawrence Bishnoi Gang for the killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar. India always maintained Nijjar killing was a Canadian gang war. No Indian role in the killing. Still no evidence against India by Canada.
Police make arrests in killing of B.C. Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar
Months-long investigation into politically charged killing also probes links to other cases: sources


(The key words are
" We're investigating their ties,if any,to the Indian Government
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No concrete evidence or accusations against the Indian Government yet!

How Five Eyes Bloc is trying to defang India’s counter-terror and intel apparatus - Hindustan Times
https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis ... 93769.html

Statement by the Canadian Opposition Conservative Party on the arrest of three Sikh men for the murder of Khalistani Terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.
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Canada has just released initial findings of its public inquiry into foreign Interference into its election process. Blames China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Iran. The 194 page document mentions India 43 times.
https://x.com/sidhant/status/1786441658940211608
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"According to court documents, Karanpreet Singh, 28, Kamalpreet Singh, 22, and Karan Brar, 22, have been charged with first-degree murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder in Nijjar’s death. The three men arrested on Friday were living in the city of Edmonton, Alberta, and will be transported on Monday to British Columbia to face charges. The indictments allege the conspiracy was planned in both Surrey and Edmonton between 1 May and 18 June."
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India mentions:

page 19

Though this assessment may vary over time, CSIS views China as the biggest threat to the Canadian electoral space by a significant margin. Foreign interference by the PRC is generally thought to be independent of political parties. The PRC does not support any particular party, but rather supports politics and positions that it views are pro-PRC, regardless of the political affiliation of a particular candidate.

Canada’s intelligence holdings also identify Russia, India, Pakistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran, among other countries, as possible foreign interference actors in Canada.

page 24

There were a number of alleged incidents of foreign interference during the 2021 general election, including disinformation targeting the CPC, its leader Erin O’Toole, and one of its British Columbia candidates Kenny Chiu; events in the Vancouver riding of NDP MP Jenny Kwan; and potential interference activity by the Governments of India and Russia.

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The case of India and Russia

Intelligence holdings indicate that the Government of India may have attempted to clandestinely provide financial support to preferred candidates during the 2021 election without the candidates’ knowledge. I have not identified any shortcomings with respect to information flow or the government’s response to this issue.

As for Russia, the Panel did not receive any evidence of a concerted Russian disinformation campaign during the 2021 election. Intelligence indicates that Russia is likely not currently a significant foreign interference threat to Canadian federal elections.

page 35

In 2018, NSICOP issues two reports about foreign interference. 11 It first publishes a special report into the allegations associated with the Prime Minister’s official visit to India in February 2018. It then publishes its first annual report. NSICOP discusses foreign interference in both reports.


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India

Indian officials, including Canada-based proxies, engage in a range of activities that seek to influence Canadian communities and politicians. These activities include foreign interference, which aim to align Canada’s position with India’s interests on key issues, particularly with respect to how the Indian government perceives Canada-based supporters of an independent Sikh homeland (Khalistan).

India’s interest in Canada relates to Canada’s large South Asian community. India views part of these communities as fostering an anti-India sentiment, and represents a threat to Indian stability and national security. India does not differentiate between lawful, pro-Khalistani political advocacy and the relatively small Canada-based Khalistani violent extremism. It views anyone aligned with Khalistani separatism as a seditious threat to India. Targets of Indian foreign interference are often members of the Indo-Canadian communities, but prominent non-Indo-Canadians are also subject to India’s foreign influence activities. These activities may not be directed at influencing Canada’s democratic institutions, but are still significant.

Indian officials in Canada have increasingly relied on Canadian and Canadian-based proxies and the contacts in their networks to conduct foreign interference. This obfuscates any explicit link between India and the foreign interference activities. Proxies liaise and work with Indian intelligence officials in India and in Canada, taking both explicit and implicit direction from them.

India directed foreign interference activities related to the 2019 and 2021 general elections.

A body of intelligence indicates that Indian proxy agents may have attempted to interfere in democratic processes, reportedly including through the clandestine provision of illicit financial support to various Canadian politicians as a means of attempting to secure the election of pro-India candidates or gaining influence over candidates who take office. In some instances, the candidates may never know their campaigns received illicit funds.

There was no indication of Indian-based disinformation campaigns in the 2021 general election.

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Pakistan

The Government of Pakistan has conducted foreign interference against Canada primarily to promote political, security and economic stability in Pakistan and to counter India’s growing global influence. Canada is an attractive target for Pakistan because of its significant South Asian community and the presence of Canada-based groups and individuals that can be leveraged as proxy agents against India.

Pakistan targets various facets of Canadian society for foreign interference, including all levels of government (e.g., federal, provincial, municipal), specific Canadian communities, as well as Canadian media entities.
In previous federal and provincial elections, Pakistan engaged in foreign interference by, for example, attempting to clandestinely affect the selection of politicians and candidates who are perceived to be more pro-Pakistan than pro-India. That said, Pakistan was a limited foreign interference actor during the 2019 and 2021 general elections.


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There were a number of allegations of foreign interference during the 2021 general election. This chapter provides an overview of the evidence respecting these allegations, including:
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• Potential foreign interference activity by the Governments of India and Russia.

page 127

The Commission received the SITE TF briefing notes that were used to brief party representatives in July 2021. In a section of the document entitled “Lessons Learned from 2019”, a bullet point states that “SITE did observe foreign interference (FI) activities targeting certain ridings and candidates in relation to the election, directed largely from China, and to a lesser extent from India and Pakistan, through the use of human agents. None of the activities met the threshold to pursue criminal investigations.” 52

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Suspected Foreign Interference by the Government of India

Intelligence agencies reported that Indian officials had:
“continue[d] to conduct FI activities in Canada, both directly and through their Canadian proxies. During GE44 Indian officials were observed expressing interest in individual electoral contests and likely hoped pro-India candidates would prevail or, at least, that perceived anti-India candidates would not be (re-)elected.”57
Intelligence holdings also reveal that a Government of India proxy agent may have attempted to clandestinely provide financial support to candidates in 2021. The source of any such financial contribution could have been unknown to the candidates.

In the classified supplement to this report, I review the intelligence relating to potential foreign interference by India in the 2021 general election, its dissemination within the government and actions taken in response. I have not identified any shortcomings with respect to information flow or the government’s response.

page 141

There was Foreign Interference in the 2019 and 2021 Elections

The events that I describe in Chapters 6 and 7 underlie my conclusion that some foreign countries engaged in foreign interference in the past two general elections. I must point out that other events that I cannot describe in the public report, but which are described in the Classified Supplement, also contribute to this conclusion.

I am not the only one to have reached this conclusion. Indeed, it appears that few would seriously suggest otherwise. Canadian Security Intelligence Service (“CSIS”) Director Vigneault said CSIS knew the People’s Republic of China (“PRC”) sought to clandestinely and deceptively interfere in both the 2019 and 2021 elections. The 2019 Panel of Five, established under the Critical Election Incident Public Protocol (“CEIPP”) came to the same conclusion. The 2019 Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Taskforce (“SITE TF”) observed foreign interference activities from the PRC, and to a lesser extent India and Pakistan, targeting certain ridings and candidates. The 2021 SITE TF concluded China engaged in foreign interference in the 2021 elections. These observations are consistent with the publicly disclosable summaries of Canada’s overall intelligence holdings.
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By the above definition every non-Indian who expresses an opinion that is accessible within India about a preference for a candidate is committing election interference.
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> Sources close to the investigation also told CBC News that police are actively investigating possible links to three additional murders in Canada, including the shooting death of an 11-year-old boy in Edmonton.

> Sources said investigators identified the alleged hit squad members in Canada some months ago and have been keeping them under tight surveillance.

> All of the accused are Indian citizens and have been non-permanent residents of Canada for three to five years, RCMP officers told reporters at their Friday press conference announcing the charges.

> Sources told CBC News the men arrived in Canada on temporary visas after 2021, some of them student visas. None are believed to have pursued education while in Canada. None have obtained permanent residency.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nijjar ... -1.7192807

> India has long alleged that Punjabi gangsters are able to use Canada as a base to squeeze money from business owners and others in India, relying on an army of low-paid gunmen to act as collectors and enforcers back home.
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CBC News:
Arrests in Nijjar killing don't confirm link to Indian government: ex-CSIS head | Power & Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJvnCi0eiGc
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If anything, this report and presser only reveal what an leaky system they have, and makes them look like cry babies :rotfl:
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CMP Presser failed to link Nijjar's killing directly to the Indian govt, describing vaguely as "part of investigation." Revealed 3 Indian nationals from Punjab in Canada taken into custody. For long time now, India has criticized Canada for becoming a safe haven.
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Cyrano wrote: 04 May 2024 10:22 If anything, this report and presser only reveal what an leaky system they have, and makes them look like cry babies :rotfl:
They're playing a crooked predatory game. If they trigger more terror attacks against Indians, then the blood will be on their hands.

Khalistanis are very dumb social dropouts, and they're more than willing to break laws in pursuit of their rabidly communal agenda.

Hindu temples have already been vandalized multiple times. Canada's state broadcaster, the CBC, has tried to play the equal-equal blame game by portraying these attacks as "tug of war battle between the evil Hindutva and their opponents in Canada". (In other words, Hindus are to blame for the attacks on temples. Note that there have been no attacks on Sikh temples by Hindus. Why would there be, since Hindus revere the Sikh gurus too)
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One former Canadian intelligence chief says - since the arrested did not leave the country after the murders they committed, but stayed put in Edmonton, it shows how sloppy/incompetent RAW is, using such people to murder Nijjar. (The natural thing, if you think your alleged adversary is competent, is to realize your allegations are baseless. RAW is constantly in a life and death situation with Pakistan and China and is likely infinitely more able than its fat and lazy Canadian counterpart.)
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The other thing to ponder is the timing of the arrests. If the Canadians had these suspects under surveillance for months, what triggered the arrest at this moment?
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A_Gupta wrote: 04 May 2024 11:02 The other thing to ponder is the timing of the arrests. If the Canadians had these suspects under surveillance for months, what triggered the arrest at this moment?
My guess is US and Canada have been negotiating with India for months on this issue. They want something and India is not budging hence they are escalating with leaks and arrests. They are gunning for at the minimum Ajit Doval and Samanth Goel. US may not want them in Modi 3.0 team.
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India does not differentiate between lawful, pro-Khalistani political advocacy and the relatively small Canada-based Khalistani violent extremism. It views anyone aligned with Khalistani separatism as a seditious threat to India," the report said. :shock:

So are they admitting that they have given shelter to Violent extremist??
Is that allowed under any international laws of diplomacy or relations :eek:
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Note the caveat slipped in: “may have”.


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"External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on May 4 said what is happening in poll-bound Canada over the killing of Khalistan separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar is mostly due to their internal politics and nothing to do with India."
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^^^It is high time these Canadian thugs are put in their place .. :mrgreen:
External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar on May 4:
What is happening in poll-bound Canada over the killing of Khalistan separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar is mostly due to their internal politics and nothing to do with India.

India’s image globally is now actually much much higher than it had been ever… Canada is an exception. You see the different country heads are praising Bharat and its Prime Minister,

A section of pro-Khalistan people are using Canada’s democracy, creating a lobby and have become a vote bank.

The ruling party in Canada has no majority in Parliament and some parties depend on pro-Khalistan leaders

“We have convinced them several times not to give visa, legitimacy or political space to such people which is causing problems for them (Canada), for us and also for our relationship,”
Canada did not give any proof. They do not share any evidence with us in certain cases, police agencies also do not cooperate with us. It is their political compulsion in Canada to blame India. As election is coming in Canada, they indulge in vote bank politics,”


And.. (It's their choice if they want to be looked like a Paki.
Recently, the prime minister of a Pacific country touched the feet of Modi while the Australian PM calls Modi as Boss. Even (U.S.) President Biden wanted to know the secret of Modi’s popularity,
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A_Gupta wrote: 04 May 2024 10:56 One former Canadian intelligence chief says - since the arrested did not leave the country after the murders they committed, but stayed put in Edmonton, it shows how sloppy/incompetent RAW is, using such people to murder Nijjar. (The natural thing, if you think your alleged adversary is competent, is to realize your allegations are baseless. RAW is constantly in a life and death situation with Pakistan and China and is likely infinitely more able than its fat and lazy Canadian counterpart.)
That able-ness didn't seem to help Kulbhushan Jadav, and now Nikhil Gupta.

I'm worried that we're just brushing off the harm that Canada has done to India, displaying an ostrich mentality while speaking the language of complacency and laziness.
What India instead needs to do, is to inflict some reciprocal pain on Canada, to show Ottawa that it's punching above its weight by trying to turn Canada into a base of operations for Khalistanis waging war against India.

The politicians in Ottawa don't care about Canadians anyway, and don't care about Canada as a country -- because they're simply elites who are too busy running their own empire, including by importing lots of brown-skinned sepoys from overseas to keep themselves in power. This practice was started by them in order to help them keep the French down. This practice has since expanded into a full-blown racket, because along the way, the politicians realized they could just use these imported sepoys to get free votes in lieu of providing good governance to the Canadians. Good governance is hard - importing foreign sepoys to serve as your vote bank is easy. Canada's political establishment grandly portray themselves as building a building a "diverse" Babylon - but all their doing is building a Tower of Babel which will come crashing down around them.
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GoI needs to release some damning info about Trudeau and Canadian intelligence services. Ditto with CIA and Biden.
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> That able-ness didn't seem to help Kulbhushan Jadav, and now Nikhil Gupta.

a. You can't win everything and b. what's holding up Nikhil Gupta's extradition from Czechia?
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A_Gupta wrote: 05 May 2024 04:14 a. You can't win everything and b. what's holding up Nikhil Gupta's extradition from Czechia?
I dunno - are you saying US is deliberately delaying with some purpose in mind? Are they trying to use him as a bargaining chip with India?

Can we gain bargaining chips against Czech Republic? Maybe if one of their citizens gets detained somewhere in some other part of the world. It's not like they'd have a lot of influence to get him back.
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sanman wrote: 05 May 2024 10:23
A_Gupta wrote: 05 May 2024 04:14 a. You can't win everything and b. what's holding up Nikhil Gupta's extradition from Czechia?
I dunno - are you saying US is deliberately delaying with some purpose in mind? Are they trying to use him as a bargaining chip with India?
The US has a track record of tolerating activities on its soil that are harmful to the security of its allies e.g. the IRA (a vicious terrorist organisation) and Sinn Fein (political arm of the IRA) were able to raise funds in the US. The US assumes that its power is so great that its allies have no choice but to put up with such activities. India is challenging this assumption. An additional problem they have with India is that India developed a strategic culture that was not allied to the US over a period of three quarters of a century. India doesn’t tolerate terrorists on its soil, and nor should the US. If they want to butt heads with us on this topic, we will drop them.
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eklavya wrote: 05 May 2024 13:52
sanman wrote: 05 May 2024 10:23

I dunno - are you saying US is deliberately delaying with some purpose in mind? Are they trying to use him as a bargaining chip with India?
The US has a track record of tolerating activities on its soil that are harmful to the security of its allies e.g. the IRA (a vicious terrorist organisation) and Sinn Fein (political arm of the IRA) were able to raise funds in the US. The US assumes that its power is so great that its allies have no choice but to put up with such activities.
I currently see all US politicians, from POTUS to US Congressmen to state & local officials, rushing to kowtow to Israel lobby who demand protesters be shut down as anti-semitic. So clearly US establishment know where their bread is buttered from.
India is challenging this assumption. An additional problem they have with India is that India developed a strategic culture that was not allied to the US over a period of three quarters of a century. India doesn’t tolerate terrorists on its soil, and nor should the US. If they want to butt heads with us on this topic, we will drop them.
I don't think we should merely butt heads with US or with China. I feel we should deflect those two into conflict with each other, since they both hate us and want to make us bend the knee to them. Neither of them respect our sovereignty, that's for sure.
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^^^
We need to have a relationship with both of them that suits India. They don’t need any encouragement from us to fight each other; they’re already fighting each other through proxies in Ukraine and will do so directly in Taiwan in due course.
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"Miller said students who come to Canada must be here to study" -- so if some of the alleged killers of Nijjar came in on student visas, and were not even enrolled to study, no doubt this is a RAW ki saajish.
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India linked gangsters in Canada
-Sandeep Singh Sidhu
Brookdale Court, Abbotsford, BC
-Arsh Dalla
Street No. 177, Surrey
-Baba Dalla
BC, Canada
-Rinku Bihla
Surrey, Canada
-Raman Judge
Surrey, Canada
-Sukha Duneke
Ontario, Canada
-Goldy Brar
-Lakhbir Singh

Source: India's NIA
"Some body may have been arrested, police may have done some investigation. But number of people with organised links from Punjab have been made welcome in Canada. We have been telling Canada, these are wanted criminals, you gave them visa..."EAM Jaishankar slams Canada
EAM is quite blunt!
EAM Jaishankar on Canada's Khalistan support: In Canada, the party in power in Canada, other parties have given these kinds of extremism, separatism a certain legitimacy in the name of free speech. It's not a one way street, a push back will come.
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