India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Sep 2023 15:09

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html
Canada Pulling Diplomats From India, Cites 'threat' Amid Tension Over Trudeau's Allegation
The Canadian government is withdrawing some of its diplomats from India as tensions escalate in the aftermath of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's allegations.
Ajay Sharma, 21st September, 2023
The Canadian government is withdrawing some of its diplomats from India as tensions escalate in the aftermath of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's allegations regarding the possible involvement of India's government in the killing of pro-Khalistan leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil, according to a report by The National Post (Canadian Newspaper).
Jean-Pierre Godbout, a spokesperson for Global Affairs Canada, confirmed to The National Post on Wednesday evening (local time) that Canada had decided to reduce the presence of its staff in India due to the current heightened environment.
“In light of the current environment where tensions have heightened, we are taking action to ensure the safety of our diplomats. With some diplomats having received threats on various social media platforms, Global Affairs Canada is assessing its staff complement in India,” he wrote in an email, as reported by the Canadian Newspaper.
He further explained, "As a result, and out of an abundance of caution, we have decided to temporarily adjust staff presence in India. All of our locations are staffed by diplomats and locally-engaged staff to ensure business and operational continuity."
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Gautam

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Sep 2023 15:24

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/2 ... -relations
In numbers: India-Canada trade and education relations
As tensions rise between the two nations over the killing of a Sikh community leader, here is a breakdown of their trade and education ties.
AJLabs, 20 Sep 2023
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Canada-India bilateral trade in goods reached nearly $12bn Canadian dollars ($9bn US dollars) in 2022, a substantial 57 percent increase over the previous year, according to the Canadian government.
Major imports from Canada include fertilisers and energy products such as coal, coke and briquettes while India exports consumer goods, garments, engineering products such as auto parts, aircraft equipment and electronic items.
Canada’s top exports to India in 2022 were fossil fuels and related products worth nearly $1bn US, followed by fertilisers worth nearly $748m, and wood pulp and plant fibres worth about $384m, according to Trading Economics/UN Comtrade data.
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Canada is India’s 17th largest foreign investor, pouring in more than $3.6bn since 2000, while Canadian portfolio investors have invested billions of dollars in Indian stock and debt markets.
Industry estimates show the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) between Canada and India could boost trade by as much as $6.5bn, yielding a gain in gross domestic product of $3.8bn to $5.9bn for Canada by 2035.
Since 2018, India has been the largest source country for international students in Canada.
In 2022, their number rose 47 percent to nearly 320,000, accounting for about 40 percent of overseas students, according to the Canadian Bureau for International Education, which also helps universities and colleges provide subsidised education to domestic students.
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Gautam

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 15:30

It has already been reported the press that Canadian mission in Dilli has asked all local Indian staff to leave.

Itna kyon fat raha hai inki ? Next thing you know they will start claiming victimhood as soon as something happens.

Hope the other 5Is and G7s are taking note.

Err... no. Garcetti walks into this....

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 818426.cms

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Sep 2023 15:49

Cyranoji, it may be possible that they are overestimating the effects of their displeasure on India, but they are Gora and we are SDRE. US $9 billion, is a tidy sum, but not overwhelming. India is paying a lot for its students in Canada.
Gautam

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 16:09

Yes Gautam ji,
India receives nearly 90-100B$ of remittances from diaspora world wide. Indian students - about a million this year - alone spend nearly as much for their education. If the students are roughly a third going to canada, I'd think they are spending WAAAAY more than any bilateral trade. Indian tourists, business travellers, shoppers will be spending on top of that.

In the 90s and early 2000s there were very few Indian tourists in Europe, excepting perhaps Switzerland and London. Now a days, any European country, even smaller ones like Estonia or Croatia are choc a bloc with Indian tourists. Simply because there is an affluent class and relatives of diaspora in India that outnumbers the entire Canadian population. Travel advisories will hurt more than any ditched trade agreements with EU & CA type countries.

Major imports from Canada include fertilisers and energy products such as coal, coke and briquettes while India exports consumer goods, garments, engineering products such as auto parts, aircraft equipment and electronic items.

Sounds like developing world vs developed world doesnt it

If Canadian dollar and petro dollar tank on the world markets, then Canada will fall into a fierce competition with Russia, ME, Australia etc to dig up its soil and sell its resources. All this global warming gaya tel leney

I would think Canada also gets a good number of Indian tourists from the US, a few from Europe. Don't know the stats. If they dont shutdown all that anti-Hindu hate speech, that too will dry up.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 16:35

https://espionage.substack.com/p/how-ca ... dium=email

With India and Canada sparring once more over Canadian support for Khalistani terrorists acting against Indian interests, it is important to remember that the Canadian state has been callous to Indian security interests on Canadian soil for more than four decades now. This is a story of the worst airline terrorist attack before 9/11.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Sep 2023 16:36

MEA Briefing going on

India has sought reduction in Canadian diplomatic strength. Yes, we've informed the Govt of Canada that there should be parity in strength in our mutual diplomatic presence. Their number is very much higher than ours in Canada... I assume there will be a reduction from the Canadian side

If you're talking about reputational issues and reputational damage, if there's any country that needs to look at this, I think it is Canada and its growing reputation as a place, as a safe haven for terrorists, for extremists, and for organized crime. And I think that's a country that needs to worry about its international reputation.

We are willing to look at any specific information that is provided to us, but so far we have received no specific information from Canada. From our side, specific evidence about criminal activities by individuals based on the Canadian soil has been shared with Canada but not acted upon.

You are aware of the security threats being faced by our High Commission and Consulates in Canada. This has disrupted their normal functioning. Accordingly, our High Commission and Consulates are temporarily unable to process visa applications. We will be reviewing the situation on a regular basis.

Canada's allegations of Indian government agencies' involvement in the killing of Khalistani activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar are prejudiced and politically driven

All categories of visas are suspended. The issue is not about travel to India but the issue is incitement of violence and inaction by the Canadian government. Those who have valid visas and OCI cards can travel freely

E-visas are temporarily suspended.

Valid document holders can still travel to India.

Accusations of Canadian diplomats interfering in India's internal affairs

Addressing the issue of violence in cases like Sukhdool's killing, Bagchi attributes it to organised crime.

Expectations for Canadian authorities to take better measures regarding terrorism and anti-India activities.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 16:53

Cyrano wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 16:09 Yes Gautam ji,

Major imports from Canada include fertilisers and energy products such as coal, coke and briquettes while India exports consumer goods, garments, engineering products such as auto parts, aircraft equipment and electronic items.
Sounds like developing world vs developed world doesnt it
If Canadian dollar and petro dollar tank on the world markets, then Canada will fall into a fierce competition with Russia, ME, Australia etc to dig up its soil and sell its resources. All this global warming gaya tel leney

I would think Canada also gets a good number of Indian tourists from the US, a few from Europe. Don't know the stats. If they dont shutdown all that anti-Hindu hate speech, that too will dry up.

Its not just Canada., UK,NZ,Australia most of Europe have some "pockets of high tech areas" niche ones., if you look at the rest , it does look like third world farming and agricultural produce, mining etc !

Finance plays an over sized role.. good guess as to where they come from

And even those niche areas are fast eroding and losing their competitiveness. It would be easy to catalogue all the high tech companies in one page.

only the US has full spectrum of tech capability followed by Germany/Japan to a lesser extent.

srin · Post by **srin** » 21 Sep 2023 17:23

OCI travel needs to be temporarily suspended pending investigation into anti-India activities.
Banks shouldn't give new student loans for students going to study in Canada. Need to hit them at a soft place.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 21 Sep 2023 17:43

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 17:51

Opening the kartarpur corridor was the mistake helping the ISI radicalise the Sikhs. We all had reservations.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Sep 2023 18:04

^^Sirji
Amen to that
Wonder whether that was outreach to sikhs given that NaMo had broken up with SAD

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 21 Sep 2023 18:12

Someone asked our MEA spokesperson when faced with terror safe heavens in Pakistan we did surgical strikes, what does GoB plan to do with Canada. He laughed but didn't answer

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 21 Sep 2023 18:14

From a haram site, Al Jazeera,

"“Over the past number of weeks,” Trudeau said, “Canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of a potential link between agents of the government of India and the killing of a Canadian citizen, Hardeep Singh Nijjar.”

Can you spot the three glaring “weasel” words the prime minister used not by accident but by careful design?

That’s right: “potential,” “link,” and “pursuing”.

Potential is a long, long way from Canada’s spies and cops having established a connection tying, unequivocally, India’s “agents” to the assassination of Nijjar, a Sikh separatist.

Any journalist with a smidgen of appreciation for the lovely usefulness of “link” knows that the word allows reporters and government officials, including, apparently, prime ministers, to imply that something is true, without proving that it is true.

Finally, by his own admission, Trudeau has acknowledged that Canada’s spies and cops are still “pursuing” the aforementioned proof.

No wonder."

Rana · Post by **Rana** » 21 Sep 2023 18:24

Shouldn't we create a pack of 52 cards with Khalistani terrorist faces, as was done after 9/11, and focus attention on them in present day Khandahar, also called Vancouveristan?

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 21 Sep 2023 18:27

^^^Wonder why Madam Jolly has not rung up the world fmous ISI for help!! Hainji

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 21 Sep 2023 18:47

Another Khalistani has been killed - this time in Winnipeg:

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 21 Sep 2023 19:09

India suspends visa processing services

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 21 Sep 2023 19:15

This thread moves fast!

I see the US as winning in this spat. The day may not be far off when Hindus take their education and wealth and apply for refugee status in the US. That ain’t even funny but there are shades of Uganda developing.

I also think this is the moment when India has chosen to burnish its credentials as a big power. Trudeau may have miscalculated.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 19:37

The Western media is full of India's democracy is in danger, the chance of a genocide is high, Modi is cracking down on dissent, and all such kinds of rubbish. Trudeau is using that, and the class of liberals that hid their anti-India feelings behind smiles are coming out of the woodwork, taking it as a fact that the case against India is already proven, and merely by the Canadian PM's "credible allegations of potential link". "See", they say, "this is Modi overreaching and trying to crush political opposition and dissent abroad". All based on zero evidence because it fits their prejudices. Not for them to withhold judgment till the evidence is produced.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 19:47

as if gobar times wasn't enough

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 21 Sep 2023 19:47

A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 10:30 This is probably a dumb question - if India felt the need to assassinate someone in an ostensibly friendly western democracy, would Nijjar be the most-valued target, or is there anyone else?

One thing about the khalistanis is their extreme sense of self-importance. Another thing is their inflated caste-pride.

In their eyes, each of them—a jattha who made good in kanedda and is now as good as white people, is more than the peer of the entire GoI which represents bhooka-nanga blackie-blacks, led by a low caste gujarati.

When nijjar was killed, this mindset made the Khalistanis jump to the conclusion: “of course India did it!” Nijjar’s lawyer has the ear of Trudeau, who is already convinced that Mudi is a Hindu fascist.

I suspect that the “credible allegations” would have come from a khalistani source that Canadian intelligence and Trudeau considered credible (Maybe he spoke good english or whatever).

“Credible allegations” reported by intelligence community have a very low standard of proof and won’t look convincing to public which is used to court-of-law standard.

In any case, Canada is not in a position to share the intelligence with a now-hostile Indian security apparatus. Because it will reveal too much about methods etc., and also because Indians could just leak it and show how thin it really looks. (It’s just one guy’s claim, I’m sure.)

Which means all India has to say to Biden, Sunak et al when they come applying pressure is, “sorry we can’t act unless we see it for ourselves, can’t take your word for it, all due respect blah blah.”

For the public face, things don’t change much even if somehow Canada shared the intelligence with India. There is no public evidence, and no Indian (which is what matters) will buy the “It’s true because gora sahib said so” line.

So, India can just sit back, occasionally play tit-for-tat, freeze out Canada, and just watch the tamasha.

I don’t think the Canadians have thought things through before going public like this.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 19:48

sanjaykumar wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 19:15 This thread moves fast!

I see the US as winning in this spat. The day may not be far off when Hindus take their education and wealth and apply for refugee status in the US. That ain’t even funny but there are shades of Uganda developing.

I also think this is the moment when India has chosen to burnish its credentials as a big power. Trudeau may have miscalculated.

true both .. some had foreseen this long back ! US and Bharat would more interlinked than ever before

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 21 Sep 2023 19:53

I love this new India. The one with a spine!
FYI, here in the US, there has been 0 coverage on CNN tv. The only vague mention I saw was on their website and some milque toast article by another Indian (white on the inside) American calling into question the change from India to Bharat--essentially implying fascism.

Canada is in for a world of hurt and it is about time the roaches saw the light. There are souls in the Irish sea who want justice; who did nothing wrong and were blown to smithereens by these a*****. As far as I am concerned, a dead Khalistani is something to celebrate.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 21 Sep 2023 19:53

drnayar wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 11:19 The whole premise boils down to because Falsdu said it in parliament he must have "hard evidence ", now it's on india to prove there is not. Cockwomble sounds just right.

What a joke !

If he had hard evidence he would have said so.

There is a lot of talk in media about the statement in Canadian parliament, but not much about expelling the Indian diplomat. That’s a kind of diplomatic shots-fired move, and a serious provocation. Proof that Canadians just didn’t think the matter through.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 21 Sep 2023 19:54

Tuan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 19:38 Politics is in play, as Trudeau is in trouble because his popularity has decreased dramatically, so he is inducing the diaspora masses as political leverage to vote for him, including the Sikhs. On the other hand, Modi, who is a lunatic, is also in trouble due to internal strife and the election approaching. But I still didn't understand why India would assassinate a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil (although he is a terrorist in the eyes of India and a wanted man in that country). The key takeaway from this situation is that you can kill a man. Still, you cannot kill an idea because the uproar in Canada led to the Babbar Khalsa International movements getting greater legitimacy from Trudeau's liberal government, a previously proscribed terrorist entity.

I strongly object to your description of Prime Minister Modi. Irrespective of your views about the man, his position should be respected by all
forum members,

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Sep 2023 20:07

There is still no news in the Winnipeg or any other Canadian press about the shooting of Sukhdool Singh alias Sukha Dunuke.

It may turn out to be like the false news in July that Gurpatwant Singh Pannun was killed in a road accident in the US.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2023 20:08

A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 11:59 ^^^^ Haha, all we need are credible allegations of a potential link of Trudeau’s plane and narcotics.

Apparently, hard drugs are legal in Canada.

So this is not going to cause any incident.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 20:09

Besides reputational damage, Canada crossed a huge diplomatic line which I have not seen even countries that are bitter enemies do.

Canada named the Indian diplomat publicly before expelling him on spying charge and thus endangering the life of that diplomat and his family for rest of his life.

No serious country does this.

This is shocking and Canada will never be forgiven for this by India.

SidSom · Post by **SidSom** » 21 Sep 2023 20:11

Tuan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 19:38 Politics is in play, as Trudeau is in trouble because his popularity has decreased dramatically, so he is inducing the diaspora masses as political leverage to vote for him, including the Sikhs. On the other hand, Modi, who is a lunatic, is also in trouble due to internal strife and the election approaching. But I still didn't understand why India would assassinate a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil (although he is a terrorist in the eyes of India and a wanted man in that country). The key takeaway from this situation is that you can kill a man. Still, you cannot kill an idea because the uproar in Canada led to the Babbar Khalsa International movements getting greater legitimacy from Trudeau's liberal government, a previously proscribed terrorist entity.

what a horrible post. Requests Admins to review this.

But I still didn't understand why India would assassinate a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil (although he is a terrorist in the eyes of India and a wanted man in that country). The key takeaway from this situation is that you can kill a man

In which crystal ball did you see this event..... Or did Trudeau personally share the proof with you and you vetted it that it was India that did this. Please share a shred of evidence other than " ohhh but who else could have done it.... Cui bono!!". This is Cattle excrete.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 21 Sep 2023 20:12

Tuan wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 19:38 Politics is in play, as Trudeau is in trouble because his popularity has decreased dramatically, so he is inducing the diaspora masses as political leverage to vote for him, including the Sikhs. On the other hand, Modi, who is a lunatic, is also in trouble due to internal strife and the election approaching. But I still didn't understand why India would assassinate a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil (although he is a terrorist in the eyes of India and a wanted man in that country). The key takeaway from this situation is that you can kill a man. Still, you cannot kill an idea because the uproar in Canada led to the Babbar Khalsa International movements getting greater legitimacy from Trudeau's liberal government, a previously proscribed terrorist entity.

So you are saying Modi killed Nijjar to win the ‘24 election? Because he is a lunatic?

Always knew that if I stuck around long enough on BRF, I’ll find that elusive nugget of brilliance that has been missing from my life.

SidSom · Post by **SidSom** » 21 Sep 2023 20:17

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/india/ca ... r-AA1h3hXZ

Notably, the red-corner notice is issued by Interpol. After the notice, a country has to arrest the concerned individual and deport his/her back to homeland/ However, in Nijjar's case, Canada failed to do so

The first RCN was issued after a case was registered against Nijjar at the Kotwali police station in Patiala and the second RCN was issued after an FIR was lodged at the Nurpur police station in Roopnagar in 2016, reported The Tribune.

Why is the narrative not " Canada agreed in parliment that they have been harboring a Interpol recoginised terrorist/Criminal against whom 2 RCN were issued. Canada needs to explain why he was not deported as per international law and what steps it took to follow Interpol."

We still have some way to go before setting narratives.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 21 Sep 2023 20:37

^^ This is exactly my sentiment too. The narrative should be that a Canadian terrorist carried out attacks on Indian soil and was issued an Interpol red alert. Canada refused to comply with the notice. Canada is a state sponsor of terror and must come clean. India does not have allegations she has hard facts.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Sep 2023 20:42

Tuan, You don't fit our membership profile. You are way above.
Regularly you attack India in the Sri Lanka threads. Now in Canada thread.

You get a permanent ban.
Adios.
Ramana

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 20:50

KLNMurthy wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 19:47
A_Gupta wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 10:30 This is probably a dumb question - if India felt the need to assassinate someone in an ostensibly friendly western democracy, would Nijjar be the most-valued target, or is there anyone else?
So, India can just sit back, occasionally play tit-for-tat, freeze out Canada, and just watch the tamasha.

I don’t think the Canadians have thought things through before going public like this.

i think this will be increasingly evident in coming days.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 20:50

The canucks are talking about reducing their consular and allied staff in India

They were informed in advance by the MEA that they would have to do so.

The numbers of the canadian consular and allied staff in India is much more than the numbers of similar staff that India has in canada.

The MEA said that the canadians would have to restore the parity in numbers and hence the MEA was giving them advance intimation of an announcement that India would be putting out two days hence

the sly and slimy canadians preempted the MEA announcement and made it appear as though THEY were unilaterally reducing their staff in India because of security considerations.

time for the gloves to come off, and enough of niceties

some swift kicks in their testimonials would be very much in order

hope that, at least, this time around, their burg and decrepit plane does not take two extra days to start up and get airborne

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 21 Sep 2023 20:56

NaMo and team will hit them where it hurts the most.. just waiting for it

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 21:03

drnayar wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 20:56 NaMo and team will hit them where it hurts the most.. just waiting for it

drnayar ji,

Besides reputational damage, Canada crossed a huge diplomatic line which we have not seen even countries that are bitter enemies do.

Canada named the Indian diplomat publicly before expelling him on spying charge and thus endangering the life of that diplomat and his family for rest of his life.

No serious country does this.

This is shocking and Canada will never be forgiven for this by India.

this lack of consular protocols and non application of mind by canada is what is fuelling the GoI's responses and their rather rough handling of the canadians

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Sep 2023 21:03

India suspends visas for Canadian nationals as diplomatic spat deepens
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/india/in ... index.html
21 Sept 2023

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Sep 2023 21:08

Rakesh wrote: ↑21 Sep 2023 21:03 India suspends visas for Canadian nationals as diplomatic spat deepens
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/india/in ... index.html
21 Sept 2023

Rakesh saab,

They cannot even go to another country and apply for an Indian visa.

The GoI has even blocked off that route

OCI cards and PIO status will also be reviewed and may be reissued only to the deserving after detailed scrutiny......

the khalistani blacklists of yore may be brought back with a vengeance

Over a thousand raids have taken place in punjab yesterday to identify khalistani owned properties and all of them will be seized by the GoI. They are also using these raids to look for gangster goldy brar and his associates, the killers of moosewala