India - Canada - News and Discussion. (2018)

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 06:43

Cyrano wrote: ↑23 Dec 2023 23:08 If anything our image has improved, no one really cares what NYT or wapos or CNN scream about except few Indian msms.

We need to muster a response in our own defense. We should not be in denial about the injuries inflicted on us.
Until and unless we recognize these problems, we'll just stay stuck in lethargy and apathy.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 24 Dec 2023 10:48

I got flak earlier for saying this, but given the official pro-terrorist policy in Canada, the issuance of OCI to Canadians or Canadian dual citizens needs to be reconsidered. OCI allows Canadians to maintain property ownership of ancestral land, which works to the detriment of Indian residents as seen in the farmer protests.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 24 Dec 2023 15:02

There are a lot of Indian origin people in Canada who don't subscribe to Khalistani ideology. As with most situations, quieter majority who suffers. Maybe that's the objective of the louder ones.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 15:58

vera_k wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 10:48 I got flak earlier for saying this, but given the official pro-terrorist policy in Canada, the issuance of OCI to Canadians or Canadian dual citizens needs to be reconsidered. OCI allows Canadians to maintain property ownership of ancestral land, which works to the detriment of Indian residents as seen in the farmer protests.

I think Indian govt is already going after OCI

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 24 Dec 2023 16:57

JTull wrote: ↑24 Dec 2023 15:02 There are a lot of Indian origin people in Canada who don't subscribe to Khalistani ideology. As with most situations, quieter majority who suffers. Maybe that's the objective of the louder ones.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 24 Dec 2023 17:57

There's lot of resistance in Indian bureaucracy giving citizenship rights to 5-10 crore PIOs living overseas. OCI scheme was pushed through but the bureaucracy introduced crazy renewal rules that have taken 15 years to iron out. There's still no way for OCI holders to get Aadhar easily. I don't think I'll see dual citizenship in my lifetime. And, I don't feel the need for one as I don't travel to vote, I don't want to stand for elections or own farmland. I just wish Aadhar was possible with overseas address.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 24 Dec 2023 18:59

Aadhar has residency requirements and afaik, does not depend on Indian citizenship. NRIs can get one without residency status.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Dec 2023 08:34

One can't get Aadhar without living in India. If one spends months in India, then yes, anyone can get Aadhar without regard for residency or citizenship.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 25 Dec 2023 09:29

That’s not true if you are an NRI. Check https://uidai.gov.in/en/contact-support ... dhaar.html and https://uidai.gov.in/images/resource/NR ... 092019.pdf

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 25 Dec 2023 09:31

The second link clearly states “on arrival”

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Dec 2023 19:30

Trudeau drones on about how his misgovernance is good governance, and how he's been standing up against foreign interference:

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Dec 2023 19:32

Trudeau is a pawn, a puppet used by Aristocratic élite and powers to play their game - Vivek Ramaswamy nails Justin Trudeau

WATCH VIDEO

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 25 Dec 2023 22:16

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 25 Dec 2023 22:34

pravula wrote: ↑25 Dec 2023 09:29 That’s not true if you are an NRI. Check https://uidai.gov.in/en/contact-support ... dhaar.html and https://uidai.gov.in/images/resource/NR ... 092019.pdf

Looks like a good development if you hold an Indian passport. Not if you hold a foreign passport since this link now mentions a 182 day residency requirement. Would be a good idea to have enrollment centers at the airports since that is where non-residents will be concentrated.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 26 Dec 2023 08:55

Yes. The residency requirement has been waived only for Indian passport holders. It will still take 20+ days for approval and ID allocation afaik.

morem · Post by **morem** » 26 Dec 2023 19:58

I got an Aadhar for my 7 year old in July this year. Indian passport , US resident. Fairly smooth process. But did take 1.5 months for the card to arrive.

Mukhi · Post by **Mukhi** » 26 Dec 2023 20:49

Took my Mother in Law visiting from abroad to the collector’s office for Aadhar. Was told, As of September month, for Any foreign passport holder, regardless of OCI, one must stay 182 days before applying Aadhar.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 27 Dec 2023 09:42

Mukhi wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023 20:49 Took my Mother in Law visiting from abroad to the collector’s office for Aadhar. Was told, As of September month, for Any foreign passport holder, regardless of OCI, one must stay 182 days before applying Aadhar.

That’s correct. It’s only for NRI (Indian passport holder), not OCI.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 28 Dec 2023 12:33

Canadian authorities announce they've found the men who shot Nijjar and are preparing to arrest them:

I'm assuming the US helped tip them off.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 28 Dec 2023 13:15

I'm pretty sure Canada is being backed by the USA as part of a new game:

Let's see if Sonia, pappu and the rest of Congress Party join in that game.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Dec 2023 13:59

What is the sanctity of any claims made by the Canadians at this point in time.

Trudeau had vitiated the case by his parliamentary statement.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 28 Dec 2023 14:22

Trudeau looking to distract the headlines away from his bad governance

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 28 Dec 2023 14:23

Surprising that they are leaking news that they will arrest the perpetrators shortly. Who does that if they are seriously going to do that? They will keep everything under wraps to prevent the suspects from escaping.

Looks like they are deliberately releasing this news so that the people they are suspecting but dont have sufficient proof will panic and resort to do something which will give them some proof. All of this looks stage managed to me

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 28 Dec 2023 15:47

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... s-slaying/

RCMP Expected to Make Arrests Soon in Sikh Leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar’s Slaying
ROBERT FIFEOTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF
STEVEN CHASESENIOR PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER
OTTAWA

PUBLISHED YESTERDAY
UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attends a news conference after the closing session of the G20 summit in New Delhi on Sept. 10.

Two men who investigators believe fatally shot a prominent Sikh separatist leader in British Columbia are under police surveillance and are expected to be arrested by the RCMP in a matter of weeks, sources say.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar, 45, was leaving a Sikh temple in Surrey on June 18 when he was shot multiple times in a gangland-style slaying. He had been reportedly warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that his life was in danger.

In September, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused the government of India of being behind the brazen shooting of Mr. Nijjar, a Canadian citizen – an allegation strongly denied by the Indian government that led to a deterioration in bilateral relations.

New Delhi had accused Mr. Nijjar of being a terrorist during his campaign for a Sikh homeland in the northern Indian state of Punjab that Sikh separatists refer to as Khalistan. A 2020 statement by the Indian government alleged he was “actively involved in operationalising, networking, training and financing” members of the militant group Khalistan Tiger Force.

Three sources told The Globe and Mail that the suspected killers never left Canada after Mr. Nijjar’s slaying and have been under police surveillance for months. Two of the sources said the RCMP are expected to make arrests and lay charges in the coming weeks.

The sources said police will explain the alleged assassins’ involvement and that of the Indian government when charges are laid against the two men. The Globe is not identifying the sources because they were not authorized to discuss national-security and police matters.

It is not known whether the RCMP are expected to arrest any suspected accomplices in the slaying. The Washington Post reported in September, citing video footage and witness accounts, that at least six men and two vehicles were involved in the killing of Mr. Nijjar.

The RCMP did not respond to questions from The Globe about the investigation and whether charges were imminent.

Mr. Trudeau has said that Canadian intelligence had identified “credible allegations” of a link between Mr. Nijjar’s death and agents of the Indian state. He made the announcement in the House of Commons on Sept. 18, after the Prime Minister’s Office learned that The Globe planned to publish the story based on national-security sources. The Globe story was published shortly before Mr. Trudeau rose in the Commons.

Mr. Trudeau had already raised the allegations with his Indian counterpart at the G20 summit in New Delhi in September. CSIS director David Vigneault and the Prime Minister’s national-security adviser Jody Thomas also travelled to India to present the findings, government officials have told The Globe.

However, New Delhi has denied any involvement in Mr. Nijjar’s death, insisting that Canada has not shared credible evidence to show Indian agents were behind the slaying.

The accusation had an immediate impact on Indo-Canadian relations. Ottawa shelved free-trade talks and a business trade mission to India, while New Delhi stripped 41 Canadian diplomats of their diplomatic protections in the South Asian country.

Canada’s allegations were buttressed after U.S. authorities announced in November that they had foiled a plan to kill a Canadian-American Sikh activist in New York and uncovered apparent links to the slaying of Mr. Nijar and threats to three other Canadian Sikhs.

A criminal indictment unsealed in New York said that Nikhil Gupta, an Indian national who was arrested in the Czech Republic in June, allegedly arranged the murder for hire of the U.S.-based Sikh activist Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, general counsel for the New York-based Sikhs for Justice.

Mr. Gupta allegedly told an undercover officer less than two weeks before Mr. Nijjar’s death that there was a “big target” in Canada. Mr. Gupta was allegedly recruited by an Indian government employee to “orchestrate the assassination” of Mr. Pannun. The Indian agent described himself as a “senior field officer” who previously served in the country’s Central Reserve Police Force, the indictment said, “and had responsibilities in “security management” and “intelligence.”

The Indian agent agreed to pay US$100,000 to a purported hitman, who was an undercover police officer, to kill Mr. Pannun in a deal brokered by Mr. Gupta, U.S. prosecutors allege.

A few days before Mr. Nijjar’s death in June, Mr. Gupta told an undercover officer – whom he thought was a criminal – that “we will be needing one good team in Canada” to carry out another assassination, according to the indictment. He also allegedly told the police officer that the plotters in India would be directing slayings in both countries.

Mr. Gupta allegedly later told the undercover officer that Mr. Nijjar was No. 4 or No. 3 among assassination targets in Canada and the United States.

Mr. Gupta has been charged with murder for hire as well as conspiracy to commit murder for hire. Both charges carry a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Dec 2023 08:30

putnanja wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023 14:23 Surprising that they are leaking news that they will arrest the perpetrators shortly. Who does that if they are seriously going to do that? They will keep everything under wraps to prevent the suspects from escaping.

Looks like they are deliberately releasing this news so that the people they are suspecting but dont have sufficient proof will panic and resort to do something which will give them some proof. All of this looks stage managed to me

Exactly!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Dec 2023 10:37

This is a Santa/Banta leak.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 29 Dec 2023 12:12

Well, it says a lot about the competence of the Canadian law enforcement authorities and the 'blind' eye of the 5i's. It has been months and they have not been able to arrest the shooter, despite Justinder making claims of credible 'allegations' of the folks responsible for the killing.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 29 Dec 2023 13:15

A_Gupta wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023 10:37 This is a Santa/Banta leak.

hadn't heard about that in years.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 30 Dec 2023 23:38

Posting the meaningful part of the Intercept article:

“We strongly assert that such reports are fake and completely fabricated,” Indian spokesperson Shri Arindam Bagchi wrote. “This is part of a sustained disinformation campaign against India,” the spokesperson continued, also questioning The Intercept’s previous reporting: “The outlet in question is known for propagating fake narratives peddled by Pakistani intelligence. The posts of the authors confirm this linkage. Those who amplify such fake news only do so at the cost of their own credibility.”

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/10/ind ... us-canada/

SECRET INDIAN MEMO ORDERED “CONCRETE MEASURES” AGAINST HARDEEP SINGH NIJJAR TWO MONTHS BEFORE HIS ASSASSINATION IN CANADA

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 31 Dec 2023 00:39

pravula wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023 09:42
Mukhi wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023 20:49 Took my Mother in Law visiting from abroad to the collector’s office for Aadhar. Was told, As of September month, for Any foreign passport holder, regardless of OCI, one must stay 182 days before applying Aadhar.
That’s correct. It’s only for NRI (Indian passport holder), not OCI.

How can an OCI get a mobile phone (SIM card) in India? That is my only requirement for now. Dual citizenship US-India would be welcome ofc.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 31 Dec 2023 01:48

You request a friend to get one for you. Alternatively, use international roaming on your number, and Whatsapp to call everyone.

For spending, credit cards issued outside India work sporadically depending on the merchant and how paranoid they are about requesting OTP/CVV multiple times. Carrying a largish amount of cash in various denominations is the best bet to ensure your work isn't blocked. But one has to round up many times because locals don't carry change as they use UPI. One pleasant side-effect is you get thanked profusely when you do something like hand the local INR 500 when the charge is INR 336 and say keep the change.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 31 Dec 2023 02:04

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023 00:39
pravula wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023 09:42

That’s correct. It’s only for NRI (Indian passport holder), not OCI.
How can an OCI get a mobile phone (SIM card) in India? That is my only requirement for now. Dual citizenship US-India would be welcome ofc.

You can use your passport and address proof to get a SIM card at any phone provider store.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 31 Dec 2023 02:22

If you try that, carry a passport sized photo too.

drnayar · Post by **drnayar** » 31 Dec 2023 02:35

sanman wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023 15:47 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... s-slaying/

RCMP Expected to Make Arrests Soon in Sikh Leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar’s Slaying
ROBERT FIFEOTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF
STEVEN CHASESENIOR PARLIAMENTARY REPORTER
OTTAWA

PUBLISHED YESTERDAY
UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attends a news conference after the closing session of the G20 summit in New Delhi on Sept. 10.

Two men who investigators believe fatally shot a prominent Sikh separatist leader in British Columbia are under police surveillance and are expected to be arrested by the RCMP in a matter of weeks, sources say.

Mr. Gupta allegedly later told the undercover officer that Mr. Nijjar was No. 4 or No. 3 among assassination targets in Canada and the United States.

Mr. Gupta has been charged with murder for hire as well as conspiracy to commit murder for hire. Both charges carry a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison.

What wierdos .. Hardeep Singh Nijjar was under surveillance for "protection" by the "Mounties" even before he was killed. does this not make them accessories to murder?!! . it does in quite a few countries. Maybe they just wanted to see who bumps him off !

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 31 Dec 2023 03:15

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023 00:39
pravula wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023 09:42

That’s correct. It’s only for NRI (Indian passport holder), not OCI.
How can an OCI get a mobile phone (SIM card) in India? That is my only requirement for now. Dual citizenship US-India would be welcome ofc.

Vayutuvanji,

The easiest option is to get an esim. An overview is

https://www.techradar.com/pro/best-esim ... nal-travel

I have used airhub and airalo without issues. Assuming your phone is newish, it should support esims. Activation was painless and hassle free.

I used to ask relatives for getting a sim, but with this is truly helpful. Its a bit more expensive though…

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 31 Dec 2023 08:24

Dr. Nair,

The cold hard fact is that the RCMP is also an accessory to the bombing of Kanishka.

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 31 Dec 2023 11:00

RCase wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023 02:04
Vayutuvan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023 00:39

How can an OCI get a mobile phone (SIM card) in India? That is my only requirement for now. Dual citizenship US-India would be welcome ofc.
You can use your passport and address proof to get a SIM card at any phone provider store.

It didn’t work for me. There is a DOT circular that says it’s allowed, and so does Jio on their website. The challenge is, even Reliance Digital corp stores use eKYC, which requires an aadhar card.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 31 Dec 2023 19:33

Cyrano wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023 08:30
putnanja wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023 14:23 Surprising that they are leaking news that they will arrest the perpetrators shortly. Who does that if they are seriously going to do that? They will keep everything under wraps to prevent the suspects from escaping.

Looks like they are deliberately releasing this news so that the people they are suspecting but dont have sufficient proof will panic and resort to do something which will give them some proof. All of this looks stage managed to me
Exactly!

For those who need a visualisation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyUezj9cks

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 01 Jan 2024 06:23

RCase wrote: ↑29 Dec 2023 12:12 Well, it says a lot about the competence of the Canadian law enforcement authorities and the 'blind' eye of the 5i's. It has been months and they have not been able to arrest the shooter, despite Justinder making claims of credible 'allegations' of the folks responsible for the killing.

This is how canadas investigation and eventual public sharing of info feels like...

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPBBwl ... /giphy.gif

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 01 Jan 2024 23:20

Tanaji, vera_k, RCase ji, thanks.