Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 03 Oct 2019 04:31

UNGA fallout: Turkish Company could be out of the FSS project for Indian Navy.

The Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL)’s collaboration with M/s Anadolu Shipyard, Turkey for the FSS project estimated to cost of $ 2.3 billion is expected to be put on a hold.

Without citing any reason, speaking to Financial Express Online on condition of anonymity, a senior official confirmed that “The contract for the 45,000-ton fleet support ships (FSS) for the Indian Navy with the Turkish Company could be delayed.”

“It could be a fall out of Turkey cosying up to Pakistan and raising Kashmir issue at the recently concluded 74th United Nations General Assembly (UNGA),” said the officer.

It may be recalled that the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had raised the Kashmir issue and had criticised the international community for not paying attention to the situation. On the sidelines of the UNGA, Prime Minister Narendra Modi met with leaders of Turkey’s strong rivals and close neighbours –Cyprus, Armenia and Greece.

The Turkish Shipyard was L1 and had technically qualified for the FSS project for the Indian Navy from among three other global companies who were in the race for the construction of five ships. Seven global players had initially responded to the Request for Proposal — the German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS), Fincantieri of Italy, Navantia from Spain, Rosboronexports (ROE) from Russia and Turkey’s Anadolu Shipyard. At the end of the scrutiny only three companies including TKMS, ROE and the Turkish Shipyard was shortlisted.

Though no contract has been inked yet as the analysis of the technical and financial assessment is going on, the Turkish shipyard as part of negotiations is expected to provide ship design, supply key machinery equipment (KME) and provide technical assistance.

On the completion of the evaluation, the second round of negotiations related to the price is on the agenda. This was the first time ever that a Turkish shipyard which is part of TAIS industrial group, participated in any defence contract in India.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby SSridhar » 03 Oct 2019 04:55

We should drop the Turks.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby maz » 03 Oct 2019 10:18

This deal was likely to suffer from political fallout such as this.

Why does the IN and MoD simply not build larger/longer versions of the two Deepak class AORs with the appropriate mods ? Is that too much of a ask from the naval design bureau? Designs can also be purchased. As it is, Fincantieri already provides modular building tech know how to MDL & GRSE. So why can't this tech knowledge be utilized to modernize the HSL infrastructure and evolve an appropriate build strategy in country? Hard to understand the misplaced fascination with importing new designs and tech knowhow!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 03 Oct 2019 11:27

kit wrote:Why exactly are the LPD tenders being cancelled..? .. what difference will it make if a new tender is put ..the shipyards are the same and only possibility is that a foreign tender more likely. Quite weird !


I think it has little to do with shipyards. It was always supposed to be a desi yard in partnership with an experience phoren firm.

The Navy refused to open the offers to start the process. I think it is because they wanted to rephrase the type and specs.

I recalled the project always called for "LPDs" but most of the offers were for LHD-type ships. The latter are more expensive and require a large fleet of helos to boot especially when we are talking four of them. I think the IN wants something more akin to the INS Jalashwa since they have experience with the type.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 03 Oct 2019 14:55

I seriously don't understand the GoI process of handing orders to shipyards which are already overflowing with orders. Atleast the support ship can be build by L&T. It is not even a H&D ship like carriers and DDG.

MoD won't give a single vendor order and there is no private shipyard other than L&T left in any shape compete, because of lack of order.

We could have been a major warship building country, if not for nonsense that is done by MoD.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 03 Oct 2019 16:35

too many ex-navy commanders in domestic shipyards !! .. dont know if that is good or bad !

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Aditya_V » 03 Oct 2019 16:43

I think its good to have the Naval eco system in place.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby srai » 05 Oct 2019 09:36

Good point! There seems to be lack of continuation of acquired “ToT” and “know-hows” from one import to the next. When these “know-hows” will be applied to indigenous efforts remains muddled up.

maz wrote:This deal was likely to suffer from political fallout such as this.

Why does the IN and MoD simply not build larger/longer versions of the two Deepak class AORs with the appropriate mods ? Is that too much of a ask from the naval design bureau? Designs can also be purchased. As it is, Fincantieri already provides modular building tech know how to MDL & GRSE. So why can't this tech knowledge be utilized to modernize the HSL infrastructure and evolve an appropriate build strategy in country? Hard to understand the misplaced fascination with importing new designs and tech knowhow!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby chola » 06 Oct 2019 16:23

Nilgiri launch. First of the P17A. Less than two years after keel was laid down!

This for a near 7K tons ship. It looks massive and magnificent.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby RKumar » 06 Oct 2019 17:02

Congratulations to all the involved, indeed very good finish and people seems proud of it. Keep it up!!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Karthik S » 06 Oct 2019 17:54

chola wrote:Nilgiri launch. First of the P17A. Less than two years after keel was laid down! This for a near 7K tons ship.


It's the same timeline for P 15B. But we take lot more time from launching to inducting.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 06 Oct 2019 18:40

^ They are expecting it to be commissioned 3 years after launch compared with 6 years for P-15b.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby sudeepj » 06 Oct 2019 21:08

To my untrained eyes, more of the super structure appears complete for Nilgiri than for earlier launches. Hopefully, it will lead to a faster commissioning.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Oct 2019 07:45

'Looking forward to govt decision on 3rd aircraft carrier'
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 438859.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby JayS » 10 Oct 2019 23:56

Image

What is that thinggy, protruding slightly above the deck, called, the one which is seen here right above the wing..? Is that the control room for the Arrested Recovery wire system..?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby gpurewal » 11 Oct 2019 00:11

JayS wrote:What is that thinggy, protruding slightly above the deck, called, the one which is seen here right above the wing..? Is that the control room for the Arrested Recovery wire system..?

That could be the LSO Platform. https://english.cdn.zeenews.com/sites/default/files/2017/12/04/643798-ins-vikramaditya.jpg

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 11 Oct 2019 00:18

Not easy to get a proper side view of the Nilgiri .. finally here is one. The flush deck in all it's glory.

We need to get some Integrated mast with and enclosed boat, it will become one of the gorgeous boat to sail the sea.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby nam » 11 Oct 2019 00:21

Bonus: P15B!


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Cybaru » 11 Oct 2019 00:26

what is the sub in the end? at 0:20?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby John » 11 Oct 2019 06:55

Cybaru wrote:what is the sub in the end? at 0:20?

Are you referring to Kalvari ?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Kartik » 22 Oct 2019 04:57

They had better cancel this deal and re-tender it without including any Turkish shipyards. They should pay for their proximity to Pakis and Erdogan's statement at the UN. Absolutely no need to give such a big deal to them.

Indian MoD defers venture project between Indian and Turkish shipyards


India’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) has deferred concluding a collaborative venture with a consortium of Turkish shipbuilders to indigenously design and build five 45,000-tonne fleet support vessels (FSVs) for the Indian Navy (IN).

Official sources told Jane’s on condition of anonymity that postponing the signing of the INR160 billion (USD2.24 billion) FSV contract, which was originally scheduled to be signed in June between India’s state-owned Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) and TAIS – a group of five Turkish shipyards – comes amid fears of the latter’s close links with the Pakistan Navy (PN).

Indian security officials had expressed concern over some of TAIS’ associates being involved in on-going warship building projects for the PN and said that the issue was “under discussion” in the MoD before any future course of action is decided upon, according to the sources.


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