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Javee wrote:

habal wrote:Suhasini Raj, 46?y/o, New York Times delhi reporter and investigative journalist, native of lucknow has started the 5 km trek from pampa to temple. Police team is following her at safe distance so that no guerilla attacks are attempted on her person by 'pious' devotees.

Looks like this will be the first touchdown. She is accompanied by her male colleague who looks like Jeffrey Gettleman, delhi bureau chief of NYT.

She will most likely reach sannidhanam at 8:30 am IST.

Supposedly a Lucknowali, but calls Hanuman a monkey god. There goes her true reporter self.

https://twitter.com/suhasiniraj/status/ ... 46528?s=19

Javee wrote:Now, Surya a.ka Rehana's life is in real danger, if she has really converted from Islam to Hinduism.

Javee wrote:Now, Surya a.ka Rehana's life is in real danger, if she has really converted from Islam to Hinduism.

habal wrote:So if her new id showed her new name 'Surya', police can claim innocence.

Tantri now threatened to leave the kshetram and lock the kshetram and hand over keys to pandalam royal family if the girls make it anywhere near 18 steps.

habal wrote:highly unprofessional of the state police and state media to reveal names of the women to public. Surya's aka Rehana Fatima house has been vandalized and her identity and workplace compromised. Poor all-round performance by those who were allowed to leak her info to media. It seems there is no firewalling to secure names from hostile forces.

Since all willing women pigrims have been threatened to compliance, is it a victory ??

Rangarajan chilkur @csranga

SC judgement Sabarimala case ignored view of nine judge bench State Trading Corporation Ltd v Comm Tax Officer that "all persons" in Art 25(1) includes juristic person & wrongly concluded Sabarimala Deity has no right under Art 25(1) to practice his Naishtika Brahmacharya vratam

ANI Verified account @ANI 48 minutes ago

We had brought them ((journalist Kavitha Jakkal&woman activist Rehana Fatima) till temple premises but tantri&priest refused to open temple for them. While we were waiting, tantri informed me that if we attempt to take the women ahead they would close the temple: Kerala IG (1/2)

ANI Verified account @ANI 51 minutes ago

It's a ritualistic disaster. We took them up to temple & gave them protection but 'darshan' is something which can be done with consent of priest. We will give them (journalist Kavitha Jakkal&woman activist Rehana Fatima) whatever protection they want: Kerala IG S Sreejith (2/2)

Sachin wrote:

habal wrote:highly unprofessional of the state police and state media to reveal names of the women to public. Surya's aka Rehana Fatima house has been vandalized and her identity and workplace compromised. Poor all-round performance by those who were allowed to leak her info to media. It seems there is no firewalling to secure names from hostile forces.

It was highly "unprofessional" for "activists" to deliberately cause social unrest in Kerala.

Since all willing women pigrims have been threatened to compliance, is it a victory ??

How can a peaceful Satyagraha style protest become a threat?? This is not a question of victory, but for Hindus to believe in their own God in their own way. As I write this there is another X'ian female Mary Sweety, who is now trying to seek entry after becoming an "Ayyappa devotee" over night. How many X'ian womens have became Ayyappa devotees all these while?

chetak wrote:

This is Rehana Fatima, the "Aiyappa Devotee". Very secular, indeed.

Karthik S wrote:

chetak wrote:

This is Rehana Fatima, the "Aiyappa Devotee". Very secular, indeed.

Sir please don't post such pics, these are NSFW. You might land others in trouble at their work place. Please post a link and mention it's NSFW if you want to share.

Sabarimala day 3: Head priest’s ultimatum forces 2 women to return without entering temple


Large number of devotees blocked the way of the two women attempting to enter the temple. In a first, the priests stopped their rituals and joined the protest.
Oct 19, 2018
Ramesh Babu Thiruvananthapuram


Amid high drama, two women – a journalist and an activist – were forced to return from within 500 metres of the Sabarimala temple Friday after its chief priest threatened to shut it down if they entered the shrine dedicated to Lord Ayyappa. (Follow live updates here)

Prayer services in the temple were disrupted for the first time with priests boycotting rituals in protest.

“It is a most painful day. I told everyone if women enter the holy steps. I will close temple and I will go back to my house. I am with devotees. I can’t be a part to violation of temple rituals,” Tantri (chief priest) Rajeevaru Kandarau told HT. There are 18 steps that lead to the temple’s sanctum sanctorum.

After the threat of temple closure, police said the two women would be escorted back.

“We have told the female devotees about the situation, they will now be going back. So we are pulling pack. They have decided to return,” inspector general of police S Sreejith

“I have been forced to go back,” said Rehana Fathima, one of the two women.

This is the second successive day that women were denied entry into the temple despite Supreme Court order after two other women including New York Times reporter Suhasini Raj were stopped on Thursday.

As the situation turned grave with devotees and police locked in a tense standoff outside the temple at Sabarimala, protests also erupted in Kochi and Calicut.

The two women – Kavitha Jakkal of Hyderabad based Mojo TV and Rehana Fatima – were stopped a short distance away from the Sabarimala temple. The government had earlier insisted that it would do all that is needed to ensure that women are allowed to offer prayers in line with a Supreme Court order.

The government tried to allay fears of a crackdown against devotees opposing the entry of women saying it would not use force.

Temple affairs minister Kadakampally Surendran also said devotees won’t be forcibly evicted and told the police to avert a showdown.

“Police will not create any issue in Sabarimala and we don’t want a confrontation with you devotees. We are only following the law. I will be discussing with the higher authorities and brief them on the situation,” ANI quoted IGP Sreejith telling devotees.

Police had landed in a quandary after activist Rehana Fathima refused to budge. She insisted that she undertook a 41-day fast and wanted to enter Sabarimala after the Supreme Court verdict of September 28 allowing women of all ages to enter the temple.

Surendran pulled up the police for allowing Fathima to head for the temple which he said was a lapse.

“People of all ages will be allowed to go there. But at the same time we won’t allow it to be a place where activists can come and showcase their power. It can’t be a place where they prove certain points of theirs,’’ Surendran said according to ANI.

Tension soared in the morning with the erstwhile royal family of Pandalam, who are the custodians of the Sabarimala temple, asking the Tantri to close the doors of the shrine as two women headed for the temple under police protection. Protesters squatted on the path leading to the hilltop temple.

The opposition Congress said the government was playing with fire. “The government is giving enough fuel to the Sangh Parivar,” said opposition leader Ramesh Chennithala. “It is committed to protect interest of devotees.”

The state unit of the BJP which is backing the devotees also waded into the imbroglio, seeking action against police officials who “enacted a drama hurting religious feelings of devotees which led to disruption of temple rituals”.

By noon, the day’s event took a communal turn over Fathima’s faith. K Surendran, general secretary of the BJP’s Kerala unit asked the Muslim community to desist from such moves.

“It is a move against Hindus,” said Surendran.

He also demanded action against the IGP after one of the two women was seen in police riot gear.

“How was a woman was given police uniform? It is a violation of the Police Act. The government should take action IGP Sreejith for enacting a dirty drama,” Surendran said.

Earlier, Kavitha and Fathima started their journey at 6.50 am amid heavy rain under police protection from Pambha, the base of the hilltop temple, police said.

“The highest court has given the green signal. My trip is to uphold women’s rights” she said.

But for Kaviitha and Fathima, Sabarimala remained a temple too far.

First Published: Oct 19, 2018

chetak wrote:

Rangarajan chilkur @csranga

SC judgement Sabarimala case ignored view of nine judge bench State Trading Corporation Ltd v Comm Tax Officer that "all persons" in Art 25(1) includes juristic person & wrongly concluded Sabarimala Deity has no right under Art 25(1) to practice his Naishtika Brahmacharya vratam

chetak wrote: I see your point, saar but these pictures and many more even graphic ones of this "Aiyappa devotee" are available from newspaper and magazine sources. things can't be more public than that, no??


All these non Hindu devotees, clamouring to gain entry into the Aiyappa Temple after the "SC judgement" are part and parcel of the BIF tukde tukde gang.

habal wrote:Before 91 women used to enter sabarimala without much issues. At that time only 5000-10000 people would have visited the shrine each year. So if Lord Ayyappan had to run away, he would have done so long ago.

habal wrote:

chetak wrote: I see your point, saar but these pictures and many more even graphic ones of this "Aiyappa devotee" are available from newspaper and magazine sources. things can't be more public than that, no??


All these non Hindu devotees, clamouring to gain entry into the Aiyappa Temple after the "SC judgement" are part and parcel of the BIF tukde tukde gang.

chetak, who are we to judge ?

She may be freespirited and freewheeling and that is why she converted to hindu faith. Now if people insist on calling her rehana fatima, she is getting no support from her new co-religionists.

You have a problem with women entering sabarimala, but do not dilute your original argument by making character attacks. Who are we to sit in judgement of someone's character ? Hope you take a minute to think it out before typing your response.

habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.

habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.

habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited.

Now imagine film actress Rekha, who is above 50. Will any man not stumble at least once if you come across her in full makeup ??

Or let's say Monica Belluci 53, Salma Hayek 51 convert to hinduism and proceed to sabarimala wearing black (making them even hotter), deity rakshak checks id and finds both above 50. Now what ??

These rules are all made up by humans, who wish to keep control in their hands at any cost. And have brainwashed a large number of people to surrender their freedom and act similarly narrow-minded. And women who used to skip a visit did so due to their own devotion. Forcing them to skip the pilgrimage is abuse and degradation. And as you have seen, it is not as if lakhs of women are waiting to visit anyway. At most a hundred odd may visit each season.

chetak wrote: The royal family has vehemently denied this canard.

habal wrote:

chetak wrote: The royal family has vehemently denied this canard.

ofcourse they will.

chetak wrote: Where exactly is the sanctioned or approved or accepted religious process to convert to Hinduism??

There is none because Hinduism does not proselytize and has no such process.

habal wrote:

chetak wrote: Where exactly is the sanctioned or approved or accepted religious process to convert to Hinduism??

There is none because Hinduism does not proselytize and has no such process.

Not proslytize, but they approach you. Will you refuse ?

Aditya_V wrote:
Next these will land at Mecca- > oops non muslims enterign within 90km of Mecca are beheaded.

keelhauler wrote:

Sachin wrote: It was highly "unprofessional" for "activists" to deliberately cause social unrest in Kerala.


How can a peaceful Satyagraha style protest become a threat?? This is not a question of victory, but for Hindus to believe in their own God in their own way. As I write this there is another X'ian female Mary Sweety, who is now trying to seek entry after becoming an "Ayyappa devotee" over night. How many X'ian womens have became Ayyappa devotees all these while?

Disingenuous arguments. The SC granted the liberty to worship. Activists acted upon that grant of liberty.
Second, a devotee may not meet your discerning criteria. Does that make them less of one ?

habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited. .

keelhauler wrote:Disingenuous arguments. The SC granted the liberty to worship. Activists acted upon that grant of liberty.
Second, a devotee may not meet your discerning criteria. Does that make them less of one ?

Javee wrote:

habal wrote:Maharaja & Maharani of travancore accompanied by their divan visited the temple in 1940. Imagine a queen in all her royal splendor and trappings. Wonder what Lord Ayyappan thought about that. Similarly there would have been many instances when similarly powerful people with women would have visited. .

Do you have any proof of this or just trolling?

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Contrary to the claims of supporters of the ban on women’s entry at Sabarimala, former top bureaucrat T K A Nair on Thursday revealed that his mother had visited the hill shrine sometime in 1940.Nair, former principal secretary to the then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, said his family visited the temple as advised by the head of the Pandalam royal family. “I was only a few months old then. My parents took me to the shrine to perform my ‘choroonu’ (a baby’s first rice eating ceremony).

I was later told that the group comprised my parents, maternal uncle and a Kani tribesman,” Nair told Express. Nair was born in November 1939 and the visit was sometime before next November as per the custom. He said his mother was in her youths during the visit. At present, entry of women in the 10-50 age group is banned at the shrine.

First three children born to Nair’s parents had died as infants. “During that time people used to visit the royal family chief for spiritual advise. The chief advised my father to perform my ‘choroonu’ ritual at the shrine for my healthy life,” Nair said.His parents christened him T K Ayyappankutty Nair, in benevolence to Lord Ayyappa, presiding deity of the Sabarimala temple. 78-year-old Nair said he does not know the details of the visit. “Perhaps my mother entered the temple through the Malikappuram gate, avoiding the holy 18 steps reserved for those who observe the 41-day abstinence,” he says.

S. Chandrika, former Devaswom Commissioner, Travancore Devaswom Board, had in the same case told the court that the restriction is there only during Mandalam, Makaravilakku and Vishu. The court was also told that even while the old customs prevailed, women used to visit the temple though very rarely. The Maharaja of Travancore accompanied by the Maharani and the Divan had visited the temple in 1940.