Terroristan - October 8, 2018

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby mmasand » 30 Apr 2019 00:49

Jr Bhutto just took on the Military in his presser about an hour back. This is BIG, Benazir didn't stand up to Mush when he ousted Mian Saheb.

Seems the Jarnails are preparing for an overhaul of the 18th amendment and want a presidential system to drive their policy and stay relevant. I can't fathom if ADGPI or IAF MCC or Navy Spokesperson held a press conference and started lecturing on ministries and their responsibilities and political interference by warning Manzoor Pashteen.

I see this as a sign of desperation by Bajwa and co to get a grip before hell breaks loose when Musharraf returns in a couple of days.

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 30 Apr 2019 20:56

X Posted on the Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat Thread

Listing of Masood Azhar as global terrorist by UN will be ‘properly resolved’: China - Express Web Desk

Last month, China had placed a technical hold on a fresh proposal to impose a ban on the head of Pakistan-based JeM which claimed responsibility for the deadly Pulwama terror attack. It was for the fourth time, China blocked Azhar's listing as a global terrorist by the UN.

Days after Chinese President Xi Jinping met Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan, Beijing Tuesday said that the contentious issue of designating Jaish-e-Mohammed chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist by the UN will be “properly resolved”. However, it did not give any timeline on the issue.

“I can only say that I believe that this will be properly resolved,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a media briefing in Beijing, PTI reported. He was responding to queries on the media reports that China has purportedly consented to lift its technical hold on a fresh proposal moved by France, the UK and the US to list Azhar under the 1267 Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council.

Last month, China had placed a technical hold on a fresh proposal to impose a ban on the head of Pakistan-based JeM which claimed responsibility for the deadly Pulwama terror attack. It was for the fourth time, China blocked Azhar’s listing as a global terrorist by the UN.

According to reports, the US, the UK and France this time have stepped up pressure on Beijing by taking the issue directly to the powerful UN Security Council (UNSC).

Beijing’s opposition to the issue be taken to the apex UN body stems from the fact that it would have to publically explain its stand on its reservations to list Azhar, whose group JeM has already been designated as terror outfit by UN, before exercising its veto power as a permanent member of the UNSC.

China has accused the US of scuttling progress to resolve the issue by taking it to the UNSC and insisted that it should be resolved at the 1267 Committee whose proceedings are not publicised.

“Regarding the listing issue in the 1267 Committee, we have expressed our position many times and I just want to stress two points,” Geng said answering a number of questions on Azhar’s issue. “First, we support the listing issue being settled within the 1267 committee through dialogue and consultation and I believe this is the consensus of most members. Second, the relevant consultations are going on within the committee and has achieved some progress. Third, I believe, with the joint efforts of all parties, this issue can be properly resolved,” he said.

On reports that China would lift its technical hold on May 1, he said, “on the listing issue, China is still working with the relevant parties and we are in contact with all relevant parties within the 1267 Committee and I believe with the joint efforts of all parties, this will be properly resolved.”

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Prem » 01 May 2019 01:30

Failure, collapse , Money words creeping in now

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 01 May 2019 03:54

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Positive progress made’: China on listing Masood Azhar as global terrorist – Sutirtho Patranobis and Rezaul H Laskar

China put a technical hold in March on a fresh proposal to impose a ban on the head of Pakistan-based JeM which claimed responsibility for the deadly Pulwama terror attack. It was for the fourth time, China blocked Azhar’s listing as a global terrorist by the UN.

China on Tuesday said there has been “positive progress” in consultations on the listing of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) chief Masood Azhar as a global terrorist and the matter will be “properly resolved”, an apparent indication Beijing is close to lifting its hold on the sanctioning of the Pakistan-based terrorist.

Soon after the February 14 attack in Pulwama by a JeM suicide bomber that killed 40 Indian troopers, France, with the backing of the US and the UK, moved a proposal at the UN’s 1267 Sanctions Committee to blacklist Azhar. At the end of a 10-day period to consider the proposal, China placed a hold on the proposal on March 13, saying more time was needed to discuss the issue.

In response to a flurry of questions about China lifting its hold on Azhar’s listing, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang told a regular news briefing in Beijing: “I want to emphasise that, first, China supports the issue of listing being resolved through political consultations within the framework of the 1267 Committee. I think that is also the consensus of the overwhelming majority of the members of the [UN Security] Council.

“Second, the relevant consultations are currently underway within the framework of the 1267 Committee, and positive progress has been made. Third, we believe that with the joint efforts of all parties, this problem can be properly solved,” said Geng, who spoke in Mandarin.

Hindustan Times first reported on Tuesday that China is expected to lift its hold on blacklisting Azhar at the UN’s Islamic State and al-Qaeda Sanctions Committee, also known as the 1267 Sanctions Committee, on May 1. A global terror tag on Azhar would be a major diplomatic victory for the Narendra Modi government.

There was no formal response from the external affairs ministry to the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson’s remarks. However, Indian officials who asked not to be named said they were waiting and watching for Beijing to act.

“In a matter as sensitive as this, one can’t say anything until it finally happens,” said an official.

China has so far blocked four attempts to list Azhar at the 1267 Sanctions Committee – a move interpreted as a sign of its “all-weather” relationship with Pakistan. However, the latest block resulted in international criticism of China for providing an escape route to Azhar, especially after Beijing signed off on a UN Security Council statement condemning the Pulwama attack that named JeM.

The development also angered the US and its allies, which circulated a draft resolution on listing Azhar among the UN Security Council’s members to force China’s hand.

People familiar with developments noted that the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson’s remarks about the issue being resolved “within the framework of the 1267 Committee” were an indication that Beijing didn’t want the matter to be taken to the UN Security Council.


There have been other signs that the issue of Azhar’s listing has been inching towards a resolution. The US principal deputy assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia, Alice Wells, told her Indian interlocutors during a visit to New Delhi last week that Washington was looking for action against Azhar “in the near term, people familiar with developments said.

The UK high commissioner, Dominic Asquith, too told reporters last week that his country was optimistic about Azhar’s listing.

Spokesperson Geng did not hint at a timeline for withdrawing the hold against Azhar’s listing but said: “China is in contact with all relevant parties on this issue and we will continue to engage in the discussion and review of this issue in a constructive manner. I believe with the joint efforts of [all] parties, this issue can be properly resolved.”

Before responding to questions on Azhar at the news briefing, Geng answered in some detail about the close ties between China and Pakistan in the backdrop of Prime Minister Imran Khan’s recent visit to Beijing to attend the second Belt and Road Forum.

Geng made it a point to praise Pakistan’s counter-terrorism efforts. “We commend the Pakistani government’s and people’s efforts in fighting terrorism and extremism and their great endeavours and sacrifices to this end. We call on the international community to fairly and justly see Pakistan’s endeavours and contributions in counter-terrorism and step up dialogue and cooperation with the country,” he said.

“I would like to stress that Pakistan is China’s ‘all-weather strategic cooperative partner’. To borrow Prime Minister Imran Khan’s words, our two countries are iron brothers,” he added.


“We firmly support each other on issues concerning our core interests. Pakistan is always one of China’s diplomatic priorities. No matter how the international and regional situation may evolve, we firmly support Pakistan in safeguarding its sovereignty and dignity, independently choosing its development path based on its own conditions, securing a sound external environment and playing a constructive role in international and regional affairs,” Geng said.

However, people familiar with developments in New Delhi and Beijing said China had been quietly messaging Pakistan about the need to do more against terrorism despite some concerns in Beijing about possible repercussions for the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) in the event of the listing of Azhar. China is worried about possible blowback from JeM against CPEC and Chinese nationals working in Pakistan, the people added.

The issue of Azhar’s listing had also figured in discussions when foreign secretary Vijay Gokhale visited Beijing last week, Indian officials said. External affairs ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said in a statement last week that Gokhale had “shared with China all evidences of terrorist activities of Jaish-e-Mohammed and its leader Masood Azhar”.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby chetak » 01 May 2019 19:14

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China compelled to lift hold on #MasoodAzhar, now listed as global terrorist by UN. Win for quiet but firm Indian diplomacy with all P-5 members of UNSC. Real challenge though lies ahead. #JaisheMohammed already designated as terrorist group, but that hasn’t cramped its finances

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 01 May 2019 19:48

Masood Azhar designated as global terrorist by UN.

In a major diplomatic victory for India, Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar was on May 1 listed as a "designated" global terrorist by the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) 1267 Al-Qaeda Sanctions Committee.

JeM had claimed responsibility for the deadly Pulwama terror attack that had martyred 40 of India's security personnel.

The listing comes after China lifted its technical hold, placed on March 13, on the move sponsored by the United States, United Kingdom and France.

A UNSC designation will subject Azhar to an assets freeze, travel ban and an arms embargo.

The US, the UK and France had, this time around, stepped up pressure on Beijing by taking the issue directly to the UNSC. Though China can exercise its veto power as a permanent member of the UNSC, Beijing had staunchly opposed the issue to be taken to the apex UN body as it had to publically explain its stand on its reservations to list Azhar, whose group JeM has already been designated as terror outfit by UN, before exercising its veto.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 01 May 2019 20:10

The paki tradition of claiming victory in defeat continues... :rotfl: ]

Senior politician and geo-strategic analyst Jan Achakzai shared reports received through diplomatic channels that indicate that Pakistan is “on the verge of a big diplomatic breathtaking” against Indian narrative of Pakistan’s refusal to eliminate extremist groups and the listing of Masood Azhar.


Diplomat and political adviser Achakzai revealed, in a series of tweets that, the issue of Maulana Masood Azhar is “almost resolved”. He indicated that a “compromise has been reached” and this compromise is “unprecedented”.

Mr. Achakzai went onto reveal that Islamabad has agreed to place Masood Azhar on the terrorist list as per the UN Committee terrorist listing in its “bid to prevent going to the UNSC”. He added that while Pakistan has agreed to this listing, it has chosen its own “timing.” Achakzai stated, “Pakistan is only suggesting appropriate time. It (Islamabad) says he should be put on the list after Indian Elections so PM Modi does not take advantage politically”.

It appears that Islamabad has agreed to designate Masood Azhar as a global terrorist; however, the timing must be such that it does not provide PM Modi the political advantage of scoring a win in the ongoing election (So much for your sense of timing, The UN showed pakistan the middle finger and designated Masood as a Global Terrorist immediately). Jan Achakzai added that the US and European Union is consulting Pakistan on the time it needs to see this listing through, and the proposed dates have been until mid-May or end of May when the Indian elections have ended. He explained, “Islamabad is looking at the issue post-Indian elections. (US and EU consulting pakistan? Guy is desperately trying to save his non existant and tattered H&D, US and EU gave an ultimatum to China and made the declaration immediately)

Achakzai observed that once a consensus has been reached (What concensus? Pakistan had no leverage on this china had to agree in face of overwheling eveidence of pakistan's involovement in global terrorism), the issue of Masood Azhar’s listing will not be transferred to the UN Security Council. Achakzai deduced that Islamabad’s decision would also “save China the embarrassment” of having to put a hold on Azhar’s listing through its influential position in the UNSC. (What pakistan decision is this 'anal' yst alluding to? He is desperately trying to give the impression that it was Pakistan that had control on declaring its citizen a terrorist and did so, fact is China ditched pakistan to save on embarrassing itselff) He further added Islamabad’s decision will also help “prevent setting precedent at the UNSC for future (use or misuse) by the US”. (On the contrary anytime China will now try to pakistani side in the UN on technicalities , it will be publically called out by US, UK and France to give reasons of it supporting pakistan before the UN security council)

Jan Achakzai stressed that Pakistan is not “obliging to Indian demands” and Islamabad does not want to be seen to agreeing to list Masood Azhar as a terrorist due to any kind of international pressure, least of all New Delhi’s (It does not matter if pakistan agrees to list or not, UN will simply declare the pakistani as a global terrrorist).


Desperate terrorist pakistanis :rotfl:

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 01 May 2019 20:33

Nidhi Razdan on her report on (RU)ND TV also mentioning needlessly that that Modi will get benefit of this timing for declaring Masood a Global Terrorist.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby khatvaanga » 01 May 2019 20:51

Xi saying Modi will win this elections is the only thing I read of this announcement.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Anujan » 01 May 2019 20:55

I wish they had not blacklisted Masood Azhar

US wants India to stop importing Iranian oil. India wants US help with FATF matters. By lifting the hold, China has now enabled listing Masood Azhar and Pakis will use this to cover up their Echandee to put him under "house arrest" and use that to argue to not be put in FATF blacklist.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 01 May 2019 21:25

This can easily be negated by showing how the other globally designated terrorist Hafiz Saeed is easily able to raise money in Pakistan for exporting terrorism all over the world.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vinod Ji » 01 May 2019 21:31

Anujan wrote:I wish they had not blacklisted Masood Azhar

I tweeted with the same gist. I don't think it is victory

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I am hot blooded patroit as any one else here but think!!! Victory is it? Please think hard..

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby mmasand » 01 May 2019 21:42

So the PM in his rally at Jaipur casually speaks about sane 'voices' of a certain tribe (read: PTM) inside TSP demanding the end of terrorism for some time. If I'm not mistaken, this is an excerpt from Kao's doctrine.

Ghafoora was raising a stink only a couple of days ago about how PTM got its funding from NDS and R&AW.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby venug » 01 May 2019 21:48

Hope TSP shows Pakistaniyat and not act on Masood Azhar and his financiers. When is next FATF meeting?

Also seems like Immy had a successful China visit.

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Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Peregrine » 01 May 2019 23:40

venug wrote:Hope TSP shows Pakistaniyat and not act on Masood Azhar and his financiers. When is next FATF meeting?

Also seems like Immy had a successful China visit.
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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Anujan » 02 May 2019 01:53

Meanwhile Pakis on Twitter are celebrating their great Diplomatic victory that JK or Pulwama was not mentioned in Masood Azhar listing. Apparently a big loss for India.

Like how Mushy bragged "We might have retreated in Kargil but the whole world took notice!!!!!" (Always confused about that. Took notice of Northern Flight Infantry retreating?)

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby Vips » 02 May 2019 02:14

No hoors at 72? AK Phyrr. IB4TL Onlee.

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Re: Terroristan - October 8, 2018

Postby nachiket » 02 May 2019 02:17

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