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Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 24 Feb 2019 04:52

Tejas Mk1 & Mk1A

Last Page of Previous Thread ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7630&start=3880

Mods: Please update info below, as and when a new milestone is reached. Thank You.

Thanks to BRF Members --> Ashish Raval, Kartik, Fanne, SaiK, Kakarat and Prasad for all their help.

Info below (but not all) can be counter referenced here ---> http://www.tejas.gov.in/first_flights.html

Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) webpage on Tejas Mk1 ---> https://www.ada.gov.in/images/mk1.htm

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Tracking The Tejas: The Design Evolution Of An Indian Fighter
http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/02/2 ... er-part-i/
By Indranil Roy and Nilesh Rane

Tracking The Tejas: How The Tejas Mk2 Design Became The Medium Weight Fighter
http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/02/2 ... t-fighter/
By Indranil Roy and Nilesh Rane

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HAL's Top Scientists Explain LCA Mk 1A Cockpit



India's First Supersonic Trainer Aircraft (SPORT)



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Design Specifications
Length: 13.2 metres
Height: 4.4 metres
Wingspan: 8.2 metres
Wing Area: 38.4 square metres
Empty Weight: 7,040 kg
Take-Off Clean Weight: 10,300 kg
Internal Fuel: 2,400 kg
Maximum Take Off Weight: 13,500 kg
Maximum Payload Capacity: 3,910 kg
Engine: General Electric F404-IN20 turbofan
Hard Points: 7 + 1

Performance Specifications
Service Ceiling: 50,000 feet
G Limits: +8g / -3.5g
Maximum Speed: Mach 1.6
Maximum Thrust: 84 kN
Ferry Range: 1,750 km

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Mk 1 Initial Operational Clearance
IOC-I: 10 January 2011
IOC-II: 20 December 2013

Mk 1 Final Operational Clearance
FOC: 20 February 2019

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Acronyms:
TD: Technology Demonstrator
PV: Prototype Vehicle
LSP: Limited Series Production
SP: Series Production

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Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• TD-1 ... KH2001 ... 04-Jan-01 ... Wing Commander Rajiv Kothiyal
• TD-2 ... KH2002 ... 06-Jun-02 ... Wing Commander Tarun Banerjee

• PV-1 ... KH2003 ... 25-Nov-03 ... Squadron Leader Suneet Krishna
• PV-2 ... KH2004 ... 01-Dec-05 ... Wing Commander Vikram Singh
• PV-3 ... KH2005 ... 01-Dec-06 ... Group Captain Harish Nayani
• PV-5 ... KH-T2009 ... 26-Nov-09 ... Group Captain Ritu Raj Tyagi and Air Commodore Rohit Verma
• PV-6 ... KH-T2010 ... 08-Nov-14 ... Group Captain Vivart Singh and Group Captain Anoop Kabadwal

• LSP-1 ... KH2011 ... 25-Apr-07 ... Group Captain Aditya Prakash Singh
• LSP-2 ... KH2012 ... 16-Jun-08 ... Wing Commander Narmdeshwar Tiwari
• LSP-3 ... KH2013 ... 23-Apr-10 ... Wing Commander George Thomas
• LSP-4 ... KH2014 ... 02-Jun-10 ... Group Captain Suneet Krishna
• LSP-5 ... KH2015 ... 19-Nov-10 ... Lieutenant Commander Ankur Jain (IN)
• LSP-7 ... KH2017 ... 09-Mar-12 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal
• LSP-8 ... KH2018 ... 31-Mar-13 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)

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No 45 Flying Daggers Squadron - Squadron Re-Raised on 01 July 2016
Raising CO - Group Captain Madhav Rangachari
Present CO - Group Captain Samrath Dhankhar

Production Line ... Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• Line 1 ... SP-01 ... LA-5001 ... 01-Oct-14 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-02 ... LA-5002 ... 22-Mar-16 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-03 ... LA-5003 ... 28-Sep-16 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-04 ... LA-5004 ... 03-Mar-17 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-05 ... LA-5005 ... 08-Feb-18 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-06 ... LA-5006 ... 30-Jun-17 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-07 ... LA-5007 ... 12-Dec-17 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-08 ... LA-5008 ... 13-Mar-18 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-09 ... LA-5009 ... 24-Mar-18 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-10 ... LA-5010 ... 26-Jul-18 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-11 ... LA-5011 ... 10-Oct-18 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-12 ... LA-5012 ... 28-Nov-18 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-13 ... LA-5013 ... 30-Jan-19 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-14 ... LA-5014 ... 18-Jan-19 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 2 ... SP-15 ... LA-5015 ... 23-Mar-19 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-16 ... LA-5016 ... 11-Mar-19 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-17 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line 1 ... SP-18 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line 1 ... SP-19 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line 1 ... SP-20 ... KH-T-20XX

No 18 Flying Bullets Squadron - Squadron Re-Raised on dd/mm/yyyy
Raising CO < Rank > < Name >
Present CO < Rank > < Name >

Production Line ... Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• Line X ... SP-21 ... LA-5021
• Line X ... SP-22 ... LA-5022
• Line X ... SP-23 ... LA-5023
• Line X ... SP-24 ... LA-5024
• Line X ... SP-25 ... LA-5025
• Line X ... SP-26 ... LA-5026
• Line X ... SP-27 ... LA-5027
• Line X ... SP-28 ... LA-5028
• Line X ... SP-29 ... LA-5029
• Line X ... SP-30 ... LA-5030
• Line X ... SP-31 ... LA-5031
• Line X ... SP-32 ... LA-5032
• Line X ... SP-33 ... LA-5033
• Line X ... SP-34 ... LA-5034
• Line X ... SP-35 ... LA-5035
• Line X ... SP-36 ... LA-5036
• Line X ... SP-37 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line X ... SP-38 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line X ... SP-39 ... KH-T-20XX
• Line X ... SP-40 ... KH-T-20XX

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Future Milestones Planned in 2019 and 2020

• SP-21 (FOC variant) - Assembly of sets of air fame have already started. Expected to have a first flight in October 2019.
• SP-22 (FOC variant) - Assembly of sets of air fame have already started.
• SP-23 (FOC variant) - Parts will be up by the first week of December 2018. Unknown.
• SP-24 (FOC variant) - Parts will be up by the first week of December 2018. Unknown.

• For Fiscal Year 2019-20 --> 16 Tejas aircraft are planned for manufacture
• For Fiscal Year 2020-21 --> 24 Tejas aircraft are planned for manufacture

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Year-Over-Year Tejas Production

• 2015-16: One
• 2016: Two
• 2017: Three
• 2018: Six
• 2019: Eight [Projected]
• 2020: Sixteen [Vision]

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Abhibhushan wrote:To celebrate completion of 65 years of commissioned service and 50 years since assuming my first command of an operational unit, visited the Flying Daggers for tea and crew room Gup.

The boys are all experienced pilots.

Boys come from varied backgrounds. M2K, Jaguar, MiG-29, MiG-27 are all represented. Soon there will be boys from Su-30MKI as well. The boys were all very upbeat about their present mount.

Some snippets from crew room chatter.

the Mk1 is better than Unupgraded M2K
talk about difficulties with maintenance exaggerated
intensive operations tried out successfully
lots of scope to increase its might.
if it is compared with all other fighters in the IAF for all-round ability, it will easily be within the top third of the list.

A very happy day for me.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby chola » 24 Feb 2019 05:55

A new era has begun.

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Postby Rakesh » 24 Feb 2019 20:10

X-Post from the Kaveri thread....

India can now quickly build bigger jets, says DRDO chief
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 33937.html

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Postby gaurav.p » 24 Feb 2019 22:27

Rakesh wrote:X-Post from the Kaveri thread....

India can now quickly build bigger jets, says DRDO chief
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 33937.html


OT Used a super hornet image talking about desi work. :P

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Postby gaurav.p » 25 Feb 2019 14:36



The mk1 evolves into a LIFT! :D

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Postby chola » 25 Feb 2019 14:49

gaurav.p wrote:
Rakesh wrote:X-Post from the Kaveri thread....

India can now quickly build bigger jets, says DRDO chief
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/natio ... 33937.html


OT Used a super hornet image talking about desi work. :P


SHornet uses two F414s. We can scale up the MWF for a Desi Super Hornet. We can navalize it and have it fly from the Vikrant. Twin F414s will provide excess power.

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Postby Karan M » 25 Feb 2019 15:35

gaurav.p wrote:

The mk1 evolves into a LIFT! :D


Not just a LIFT, this is a completely new variant with a brand new display, repositioned controller, allowing for much better visualization of the sensors, new strike capabilities including 2x new munitions, a cruise missile, and swarm drones (with a range of around 220km) at 24 per LCA with the rear seater as the WSO for the drones.

This is incredible stuff. So HAL is doing this out of its own funds, bypassing the entire Mk1A IAF-ADA thingy and wants to position it as LIFT for the entire fighter fleet and ALSO, as a comprehensive strike platform.

Brilliant! If and thats a big IF, they develop the drones and associated controls, it will be a game changer for the AF.

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Postby Karan M » 25 Feb 2019 15:41

They are basically adding the same capabilities to both the Jaguar MAX and the LCA. Good stuff from HAL. Rather than waiting around endlessly for MOD to give them license builds, here they are showing initiative.
JAG MAX shows weapons carriage as the drones, new Cruise Missile, SAAW, SPICE 2000, NG-LGB Griffin, new AShM (not Harpoon), ASRAAM and Astra.

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Postby Kakarat » 25 Feb 2019 16:14

The cockpit looks good, will this be available on MkIA? It is good HAL is thinking of new variants of Tejas
I was little bit hoping for wingtip pylons on the MkIA, but from the IR & JayS article it seems ruled out

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Postby Karan M » 25 Feb 2019 19:20

I think MK1A cockpit will be same as Mk1 with some additional tweaks, but if this comes it will be super interesting. On a con side, its an imported set for sure, the ELBIT one here most likely.
http://elbitsystems.com/media/Panoramic_HD.pdf

That's the one problem I have with HAL and BEL. In the quest for quick solutions, they supplant locally developed units made with a lot of effort with quick imports.
Having said that, HAL claims it has its own wide area display in development and displayed it at AI.

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Postby Cain Marko » 25 Feb 2019 20:02

chola wrote:
gaurav.p wrote:
OT Used a super hornet image talking about desi work. :P


SHornet uses two F414s. We can scale up the MWF for a Desi Super Hornet. We can navalize it and have it fly from the Vikrant. Twin F414s will provide excess power.

THIS. I've been saying it forever.... It will be a perfect interim fighter until the AMCA comes along. And should work for the Navy as well. Not at all sure the MWF will work for naval ops. They might even be able to do a twin engined bird with kaveris instead of the 414.

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Postby John » 25 Feb 2019 20:50

Cain Marko wrote:THIS. I've been saying it forever.... It will be a perfect interim fighter until the AMCA comes along. And should work for the Navy as well. Not at all sure the MWF will work for naval ops. They might even be able to do a twin engined bird with kaveris instead of the 414.


IAF wants single engine fighters to reduce maintenance costs otherwise we would simply bought more Su-30mki. Scaling up LCA to be twin engine bird is lot more complicated and is simply easier to start with fresh design (AMCA) and focus on that.

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Postby JayS » 25 Feb 2019 21:33

John wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:THIS. I've been saying it forever.... It will be a perfect interim fighter until the AMCA comes along. And should work for the Navy as well. Not at all sure the MWF will work for naval ops. They might even be able to do a twin engined bird with kaveris instead of the 414.


IAF wants single engine fighters to reduce maintenance costs otherwise we would simply bought more Su-30mki. Scaling up LCA to be twin engine bird is lot more complicated and is simply easier to start with fresh design (AMCA) and focus on that.


The issue is overall operating cost (including maintenance) and number of pilots. IAF couldn't care less if a TE comes with advantage on these two parameters compared to an SE fighter.

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Postby Rakesh » 25 Feb 2019 21:36

Karan M wrote:Not just a LIFT, this is a completely new variant with a brand new display, repositioned controller, allowing for much better visualization of the sensors, new strike capabilities including 2x new munitions, a cruise missile, and swarm drones (with a range of around 220km) at 24 per LCA with the rear seater as the WSO for the drones.

This is incredible stuff. So HAL is doing this out of its own funds, bypassing the entire Mk1A IAF-ADA thingy and wants to position it as LIFT for the entire fighter fleet and ALSO, as a comprehensive strike platform.

Brilliant! If and thats a big IF, they develop the drones and associated controls, it will be a game changer for the AF.

Preach on brother! Preach on! I just saw this video in the other Tejas thread. WoW! That is all I can say right now!

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Postby nachiket » 26 Feb 2019 04:02

Cain Marko wrote:
chola wrote:
SHornet uses two F414s. We can scale up the MWF for a Desi Super Hornet. We can navalize it and have it fly from the Vikrant. Twin F414s will provide excess power.

THIS. I've been saying it forever.... It will be a perfect interim fighter until the AMCA comes along. And should work for the Navy as well. Not at all sure the MWF will work for naval ops. They might even be able to do a twin engined bird with kaveris instead of the 414.

What exactly does "scaling up" mean according to you guys? Your scaled up fighter would need a new fuselage with enough space for 2 engines, new wings and control surfaces and a new FCS and thousands of hours of testing to go along with it. It would basically be a brand new fighter. We already have one in the works, the AMCA. ADA does not have the resources or manpower to work on yet another fighter project.

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Postby Cain Marko » 26 Feb 2019 13:27

^ frankly I'd rather see 300 odd mk1As ordered and the mwf become a stealthy single engined follow on for circa 2050+. It's not as though the current MWF has minute changes... This will take time too.

MWF should be twin engined ...mota, wide and fat : twin engined. Like mirage 4k. Emphasizing local engine, even if it puts out only 8 tons of thrust.Will work for iaf and Navy. At least thrust issues will be resolved.

MWF should then be followed by AMCA circa 2040.

Jmtp of course

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Postby nachiket » 27 Feb 2019 03:29

Cain Marko wrote:^ frankly I'd rather see 300 odd mk1As ordered and the mwf become a stealthy single engined follow on for circa 2050+. It's not as though the current MWF has minute changes... This will take time too.

Saar they've finalized the design, completed WT testing and are starting with metal cutting for the first prototype. A completely new twin-engined jet like the one you and chola want will not see the light of day for another 10 years. And more importantly it will draw away valuable resources from the AMCA project which itself isn't exactly swimming in $$$ anyway.

MWF should be twin engined ...mota, wide and fat : twin engined. Like mirage 4k. Emphasizing local engine, even if it puts out only 8 tons of thrust.Will work for iaf and Navy. At least thrust issues will be resolved.

IAF classifies the M2k as medium weight. That is what they originally wanted for the MMRCA too till the baboos and politicians played spoilsport. The Gripen NG was also part of the MMRCA tender. The Tejas MWF will have similar performance to the Gripen NG and will be better than the M2k in many respects. There is no rule anywhere saying MWF has to be twin engined. The Tejas Mk2 will help fill the IAF's original need of an M2k class fighter - decent payload, range and good avionics fit, versatile mission profiles with a varierty of weapons integrated, yet not extremely expensive to operate like the MKI.

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Postby Pratyush » 27 Feb 2019 03:43

Some times reading the posts on some of the threads. I am reminded of the famous saying attributed to Stalin. That there comes a time in the life of a project that it becomes necessary to kill all the engineers and build the damn thing.

I just wish to turn it around. Sometimes it is necessary for Brfites to let our mouths shut so that the damn thing can be built. Or by making demands we give ideas to import lobby to delay the product finalisation.

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Postby sivab » 28 Feb 2019 09:24

@Rakesh

http://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/7626728690.pdf

ADA Chief: The main bottleneck with the trainer aircraft production drawing release was incorporation of Air-to-Air refuelling because it was a follow on from the fighter. Now that the Air-to-Air refuelling capability is completely proven in the fighter, it is being incorporated in the trainer. But the probe is not identical to the single seater probe and the design modifications are in progress. Production standard drawings for the trainer will also be released before June 2019. The trainer production can also begin after that.

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Postby JTull » 05 Mar 2019 17:09

Checkout from 1:05:45 onwards Tejas display at Sulur after 5 BRD received president's colours.

https://youtu.be/bEadUgTwcMU?t=3943

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Postby ashishvikas » 05 Mar 2019 19:35

As per ADA Flight status, LSP 2 made a test flight by 25Feb which is fitted with UTTAM. :)

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2019 19:54

Wow

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Postby ashishvikas » 05 Mar 2019 20:29

Aditya_V wrote:Wow

Wow = अतिउत्तम

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Postby JTull » 05 Mar 2019 20:48

That's great!

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2019 20:50

Saar can you provide the link please

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Postby JTull » 05 Mar 2019 20:55

Aditya_V wrote:Saar can you provide the link please


https://www.ada.gov.in/

2 flights in Feb. These are first flights in over an year.

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Postby Aditya_V » 05 Mar 2019 21:01

Well I had check theier website all its says LSP7 flew in 2019 under achivements/ flight news 2019

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Postby JTull » 05 Mar 2019 22:45

Tejas - LCA fb grp admin says that UTTAM testing is yet to commence. Carriage and Integration flights will happen before that.

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Postby Cain Marko » 05 Mar 2019 23:39

Pratyush wrote:I just wish to turn it around. Sometimes it is necessary for Brfites to let our mouths shut so that the damn thing can be built. Or by making demands we give ideas to import lobby to delay the product finalisation.

Really? You think br jingoes putting forth ideas actually prevents the damn thing from being built?. First time I'm hearing of this..... Maybe brfites should simply stop posting so that such damn things can be built in super quick time. And here I thought delays were caused by other pressing factors...

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Postby Cain Marko » 05 Mar 2019 23:45

nachiket wrote:
Cain Marko wrote:^ frankly I'd rather see 300 odd mk1As ordered and the mwf become a stealthy single engined follow on for circa 2050+. It's not as though the current MWF has minute changes... This will take time too.

Saar they've finalized the design, completed WT testing and are starting with metal cutting for the first prototype. A completely new twin-engined jet like the one you and chola want will not see the light of day for another 10 years. And more importantly it will draw away valuable resources from the AMCA project which itself isn't exactly swimming in $$$ anyway.

MWF should be twin engined ...mota, wide and fat : twin engined. Like mirage 4k. Emphasizing local engine, even if it puts out only 8 tons of thrust.Will work for iaf and Navy. At least thrust issues will be resolved.

IAF classifies the M2k as medium weight. That is what they originally wanted for the MMRCA too till the baboos and politicians played spoilsport. The Gripen NG was also part of the MMRCA tender. The Tejas MWF will have similar performance to the Gripen NG and will be better than the M2k in many respects. There is no rule anywhere saying MWF has to be twin engined. The Tejas Mk2 will help fill the IAF's original need of an M2k class fighter - decent payload, range and good avionics fit, versatile mission profiles with a varierty of weapons integrated, yet not extremely expensive to operate like the MKI.

These are good points Natchiket, but I'm not expecting the mk2 to come through anytime soon. If gripen e timelines are anything to go by...I don't see the mk2 ready for production anytime before 2030. Maybe even 35.

And I dearly hope I'm wrong. But this mk2 idea of fitting a thousand things into small spaces seems a lot more challenging than opening it up to a twin engine design, esp. If even the engines could be local and the design would be more suitable for a naval version.

My dream of seeing of a frontline local fighter without an Achilles heel in the form of a sanction prone engine has been shot....

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Postby Indranil » 05 Mar 2019 23:48

CM, MWF will be here much faster than that. 2025-2027 is reasonable. The design team knows the ins and outs of this aircraft now. All changes are incremental only. No big surprises are expected.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Cain Marko » 05 Mar 2019 23:50

^ I hope you right Indranil.... Now my tears won't be that profuse...

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 06 Mar 2019 00:01

Light Combat Aircraft, Tejas : What It's Like To Fly India's Own Fighter Jet


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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Rakesh » 06 Mar 2019 00:02

^^^^ Tweet related to above video....

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/11 ... 5210606592 ---> Full video broadcast of my flight in an LCA Tejas fighter, where I meet with pilots testing the jet and getting it ready to replace the IAF’s MiG-21.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 06 Mar 2019 01:46

I know one that which fighter is better than another one are not very encouraged on BRF, but with the mig21 shoot, I can't hold from comparing the two. I wish in the coming years we do get to see the detailed comparisons of the two as they are being flown by same AF so training etc should be fairly consistent.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ks_sachin » 06 Mar 2019 08:00

What do you mean by detailed comparison Mr Pandit?
Data points for comparison are already there in terms of the numbers.
Data points for a more qualitative assessment are also there - There is a post on LCA squadron service by someone very respected here.
Beyond that I hope that we never have to do a detailed comparative assessment - as that would mean that the Bison has continued to serve for longer than necessary.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Atmavik » 06 Mar 2019 09:12

ArjunPandit wrote:I know one that which fighter is better than another one are not very encouraged on BRF, but with the mig21 shoot, I can't hold from comparing the two. I wish in the coming years we do get to see the detailed comparisons of the two as they are being flown by same AF so training etc should be fairly consistent.


Pandit ji,

IAF will conduct exercises that pits different types of aircraft against each other. watch out for exercise wit Singapore AF. utill then read this terrific post.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7630&hilit=Abhibhushan&start=800#p2262642

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ArjunPandit » 06 Mar 2019 11:02

sir, i have read this post many times, it has been almost an year since this post. So that is why was fishing for more.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby Indranil » 06 Mar 2019 11:50

On paper, the Mig21 is no match for the LCA. Don’t trust me. Listen to the people who have flown Mig21s, Mirage 2000, MiG 27s, Su-30s and LCA.

But, that can’t determine the outcome of an aerial duel on a particular day.

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Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A: News & Discussions: 23 February 2019

Postby ks_sachin » 06 Mar 2019 13:13

Indranil wrote:On paper, the Mig21 is no match for the LCA. Don’t trust me. Listen to the people who have flown Mig21s, Mirage 2000, MiG 27s, Su-30s and LCA.

But, that can’t determine the outcome of an aerial duel on a particular day.

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