Sri Lanka - News and Discussion- Post PM appointment crisis

saip · Post by **saip** » 21 Mar 2022 22:13

Sri Lanka Secures Indian Lifeline
What is this about?

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 21 Mar 2022 22:34

Who is proposing a forced takeover and associated confusion? I am proposing a mutual agreed merger.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2022 23:02

V_Raman wrote:Who is proposing a forced takeover and associated confusion? I am proposing a mutual agreed merger.

The sinhala will not agree and neither will the dravidians in TN.

They are both daggers drawn and sworn enemies with a lot of bad history

the idea is still born. The only option is a forced merger/referendum, requiring the generation of traction and copious expenditure of political capital.

The center couldn't care less and they will not piss off the dravidians needlessly. For us, the sinhala are politically expendable, just like the tamils are politically expendable for them

Indian does not favour either option (forced merger/referendum) because it will open a nasty can of worms at home

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 21 Mar 2022 23:07

Then SL is screwed economically. India does not have that much money to throw at them for a continuous lifeline. It is going to get ugly for them.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2022 23:12

V_Raman wrote:Then SL is screwed economically. India does not have that much money to throw at them for a continuous lifeline. It is going to get ugly for them.

India will have to stop this tomfoolery quite soon.

the taliban are next in line, waiting eagerly for India to take their bait, closely followed by the beedis, maldivians and the nepalis

SL is screwed themselves economically.

there are no free lunches and always a price to be paid for betting on the wrong horse

V_Raman · Post by **V_Raman** » 21 Mar 2022 23:42

Agreed. But Srilanka is a fellow dharmic ccountry like Nepal. SL should at least sign a defense agreement like Nepal and Bhutan with us. That could be the price to be paid by them. Otherwise India does not have any incentive to keep supporting them. They dont have any money. Why spend money on military of all things now that they have internal peace?! That is a defacto merger.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2022 00:03

V_Raman wrote:Agreed. But Srilanka is a fellow dharmic ccountry like Nepal. SL should at least sign a defense agreement like Nepal and Bhutan with us. That could be the price to be paid by them. Otherwise India does not have any incentive to keep supporting them. They dont have any money. Why spend money on military of all things now that they have internal peace?! That is a defacto merger.

SL is neither dharmic nor Hindu.

the cheeni are bound to react rather adversely if India now ventures into SL with a defence agreement in hand

Modi is practical and cautious and he will do right by India.

the SLs made their bed (financially) of their own free will, so let them lie upon it.

Lets wait and watch.

Finally, this is a pointless discussion leading us nowhere. What you are advocating will never happen

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 Mar 2022 07:58

A photo in Dawn about the fuel crisis in Sri Lanka... note the number of burkhas.. if it was not for the board with sinhala script it would like a photo of bangladesh..

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 22 Mar 2022 09:30

Da Booda is clearly not Smiling.

Let these fellows starve for a while. They should change their national motto to "Bhikshaam sharanam gachhami..."

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 22 Mar 2022 10:13

I don't think that India should involve itself in Sri Lankan economic mess.

We have to be disinterested party.

Or else Sri Lanka will use India against PRC and vice versa.

Not in our interests.

Nation's need to learn that actions have consequences. They have to learn to live within their own means. Or else it's very easy to lose economic & political independence.

Indian intervention prevents them from learning that lesson.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 22 Mar 2022 14:04

There are other ways to integrate Sri Lanka into India without actual union. Just like European Union, they can adopt Indian rupee and get into a defence pact as well. I think this is right time to act on it, because China wouldn't want to pick a fight far away from home with all the Ukraine things going on. India needs to be assertive now. This opportunity won't come again to secure our southern side.

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Mar 2022 14:16

I would propose a Bhutan model, we take care of security interests while they can govern themselves

Agree this *might* be a good time but needs to wait and see how far they would go.. they had dug a nice big hole for themselves and now find there is no ladder!

kit · Post by **kit** » 22 Mar 2022 14:21

As I said in a,previous post in the coming years all small countries need a big brother to survive, no two ways about it

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 22 Mar 2022 14:56

Sri Lanka ight be realising they have been ripped off by the cheeni big brother and the Hindu big brother is keeping it barely alive on life support with a line of credit now and then. The global energy and food crises on the back of pandemic induced downturn and continued tourism loss would be debilitating for Lankans. The state machinery will be very weak and guess what type of vermin proliferates in such conditions and becomes a big nuisance to the nearest big brother ?

Like it or not, SL is like that dishonest recalcitrant cousin whom you can neither ignore nor reform but threatens family peace every now and then. With all thats going on, MEA would be stretched pretty thin to focus adequately on SL. No easy steps in sight to rectify the situation I'm afraid. India can be reactive at the most until the Ukraine situation is resolved.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2022 18:23

Pratyush wrote:I don't think that India should involve itself in Sri Lankan economic mess.

We have to be disinterested party.

Or else Sri Lanka will use India against PRC and vice versa.

Not in our interests.

Nation's need to learn that actions have consequences. They have to learn to live within their own means. Or else it's very easy to lose economic & political independence.

Indian intervention prevents them from learning that lesson.

isn't that what they are doing right now

their default mode is kick India when convenient

kiss India only when the cheeni are crawling up their sinhala colons

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 22 Mar 2022 18:59

There are no permanent friends (forget about permanent interests), but long term munnas. Different ways to maintain munnas. We need to find our way. All this is part of the process to identify the right fit for sri lanka to be our munna.

Goes without saying, we do need more (qualified) people in MEA.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Mar 2022 19:30

GShankar wrote:There are no permanent friends (forget about permanent interests), but long term munnas. Different ways to maintain munnas. We need to find our way. All this is part of the process to identify the right fit for sri lanka to be our munna.

Goes without saying, we do need more (qualified) people in MEA.

the many previously planted woke, commie, and naxal manchurian candidates in the MEA have become very quiet and receded into the woodwork biding their time.

but however, their masters are getting taken out one by one.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 26 Mar 2022 18:44

There's news of increasing number of Srilankan migrants, especially from northern lanka entering India. This number is expected to rise significantly in the coming days as Srilanka grapples with hyperinflation( a litre of milk in some parts of Srilanka is now selling for over Rs 1000 ! ) and a collapsing currency. While there are many vested interests in TN and KL who would want to settle lankan economic migrants in their states with the hopes of restarting the eelam moment, GoI and Navy must ensure they are not allowed to enter Indian waters.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2022 19:48

Ambar wrote:There's news of increasing number of Srilankan migrants, especially from northern lanka entering India. This number is expected to rise significantly in the coming days as Srilanka grapples with hyperinflation( a litre of milk in some parts of Srilanka is now selling for over Rs 1000 ! ) and a collapsing currency. While there are many vested interests in TN and KL who would want to settle lankan economic migrants in their states with the hopes of restarting the eelam moment, GoI and Navy must ensure they are not allowed to enter Indian waters.

these tamil "refugees" are of the dravidian persuasion and are being deliberately encouraged.

There is no revolution or genocide in SL that presupposes this needless invasion

these guys are doing exactly what the beedis did and will be used by the dravidians to change the demographics.

there is a well oiled network in coastal TN since 1985 to move people clandestinely between TN and SL, especially the tamil areas. This is also the reliable conduit for arms, drugs and human trafficking. Is it any wonder that so many Indian "tamil fishermen" are so regularly caught by the SL navy while deep in SL waters.

The "capture" of the TN coastline and the almost complete exclusion of other communities, covering almost the entire length of TN coast by white robed dravidians is not merely a coincidence but a deliberate strategy to keep prying eyes away from nefarious activities.

the eelamists are alive and well

Practically speaking, SL should impose a moratorium of cheeni debt repayment for a period of time until the situation eases.

This has to be done unilaterally by declaring an emergency and freezing all cheeni debt servicing until further notice

The sinhala dug their own grave, so let them make the effort to un-dig themselves

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 26 Mar 2022 19:57

Let them to realise the mess they are in. Get as many as lankans in India. They push for referendum in Lanka for accession to Indian Union.MEA will be happy to do it. Carrot........pay all Lankan debt.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 26 Mar 2022 20:07

I did not realize Sri Lanka was in such dire straits that they have to resort to borrowing money from Bangladesh. Very comprehensive article on their economic woes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/worl ... Position=1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2022 20:08

rsingh wrote:Let them to realise the mess they are in. Get as many as lankans in India. They push for referendum in Lanka for accession to Indian Union.MEA will be happy to do it. Carrot........pay all Lankan debt.

eh lo ji, back to the same funeral dirge once again

why open another front against the cheeni.

we are already besieged by the cheeni in SL, nepal, bhutan, beediland, myanmar, pukistan, iran and soon in afghanistan.

why tighten the noose any further

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2022 20:09

Jay wrote:I did not realize Sri Lanka was in such dire straits that they have to resort to borrowing money from Bangladesh. Very comprehensive article on their economic woes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/worl ... Position=1

It is cheeni money coming via the beedis to counter India and SL knows it very well.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 26 Mar 2022 20:58

chetak wrote:
rsingh wrote:Let them to realise the mess they are in. Get as many as lankans in India. They push for referendum in Lanka for accession to Indian Union.MEA will be happy to do it. Carrot........pay all Lankan debt.
eh lo ji, back to the same funeral dirge once again

why open another front against the cheeni.

we are already besieged by the cheeni in SL, nepal, bhutan, beediland, myanmar, pukistan, iran and soon in afghanistan.

why tighten the noose any further

But,But,But....we can do a la Sikkim and get rid of lizard.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2022 22:23

rsingh wrote:
chetak wrote:
eh lo ji, back to the same funeral dirge once again

why open another front against the cheeni.

we are already besieged by the cheeni in SL, nepal, bhutan, beediland, myanmar, pukistan, iran and soon in afghanistan.

why tighten the noose any further
But,But,But....we can do a la Sikkim and get rid of lizard.

Even if anyone paid off the loans, the cheenis will not return hambantotha port to SL and they will keep on extending the terms as well as the date.

right now they have a "99 years legal lease" on hambantotha port and per terms, all disputes will be settled in cheeni courts onlee

If anyone goes to war against the cheeni in SL, the sinhala will iron the shirt and pant of both sides, do maram patti and regularly collect money from both sides and the norwegians will mediate

Vips · Post by **Vips** » 29 Mar 2022 01:48

Crisis-hit Sri Lanka in talks with India for another $1.5 bln credit line.

Are all the credit lines free credits or are being given against IOU's? We may not exercise the IOU's so long as the monkey behaves.

There is no doubt that they will forget everything and be to their usual antics goaded by the chinese.

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 29 Mar 2022 02:45

They have also asked 2.5B and more from the Chinese in parallel. Seems like Imran gave some useful tips and tricks during his visit last year.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Mar 2022 03:47

Cyrano wrote:They have also asked 2.5B and more from the Chinese in parallel. Seems like Imran gave some useful tips and tricks during his visit last year.

hope that strict conditions are being enforced that no cheeni loans to be paid off with Indian money

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Mar 2022 07:45

Line of Credit is Indian materials supplied from India, no cash. But we should make sure we get leverage.

Kanoji · Post by **Kanoji** » 30 Mar 2022 11:12

SriLanka should sign the Instrument of accession https://tfipost.com/2022/03/567578/

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 30 Mar 2022 11:41

Sri Lanka’s media clarification reveals two recent defence pacts with India

A media clarification issued by Sri Lanka’s Ministry of Defence has brought to light two recent defence pacts it has signed with India that neither side officially announced.

“The recently signed maritime security pacts with the Government of India will not result in hindrance or threat to the national security of Sri Lanka,” said a media statement issued by the Ministry on Tuesday. It referred to the “the receipt of Floating Dock Facility from the Government of India at no cost” and the provision of “Dornier Reconnaissance Aircraft” by India to Sri Lanka “free of charge”.

The apparent secrecy around the development until now comes even as some in Sri Lanka’s political opposition flagged the agreements as “threats” to Sri Lanka’s national security and sovereignty. Sri Lanka “has sold its air space”, alleged Harin Fernando, a vocal MP from the main opposition party Samagi Jana Balavegaya (SJB).

“Sri Lanka runs the risk of getting involved in a regional war owing to these agreements as India will get the opportunity of controlling Sri Lankan waters and skies, while China controls the port in Hambantota,” Mr. Fernando told Parliament. The Janatha Vimukthi Peramuna (JVP), also in opposition, has accused the government of signing key defence agreements with India in return for the $1 billion assistance extended recently.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Mar 2022 13:04

Kanoji wrote:SriLanka should sign the Instrument of accession https://tfipost.com/2022/03/567578/

all they are asking is for a few bucks.

and someone needs accession as quid pro quo

even the cheeni don't do that

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 30 Mar 2022 14:12

Agree. It is not few bucks. It will be a chronic problem. What are the possibilities of breakin 99 years lease? What if country that signed the lease ceases to exist.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 Mar 2022 14:49

This is exactly what I feared when I was advocating keeping out of Sri Lanka. The opposition is already making alligations against the deal between India and Sri Lanka.

It gives an easy out to PRC. Which was to have been avoided.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Mar 2022 15:09

The global happiness index places srilanka above India.

one is very sure that the SLs are all overjoyed and ecstatic right now

so ecstatic in fact, that some of these happy happy SLs have already run away to a very unhappy India and landed up in TN, to share in our sorrows

do we really deserve the company of these happy happy SLs

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Mar 2022 16:16

rsingh wrote:Agree. It is not few bucks. It will be a chronic problem. What are the possibilities of breakin 99 years lease? What if country that signed the lease ceases to exist.

no one is putting a gun to our head. we can decide when to stop but we should also be mentally prepared to write off these "loans"

they are like freeloading afghanistan and nepal, they will never pay back anything. Once again, we have simply ended up by easing the situation for the cheenis

as a civilization, we are afraid of being disliked and our parasite moocher "neighbours" have got us pegged right

the cheeni will not let go of hambantotha unless the SLs have the b@!!$ to nationalize it and even then the cheeni may exercise military options to safeguard their property

we are opening up another beediland for no rhyme or reason

don't get taken in by the smiling buddha touristy keepsakes

a lot of the buddhists are militant and entitled as we already know from experience in India.

so what happens if the next (woke) govt decides to extend a $10 billion "line of credit" to the pakis, are we willing to go there........ and ask for paki instrument of accession too and worst nightmare, what if the pakis agree to sign

alien cultures are already causing us a huge problem

There is, at present, a strong and coordinated dravidian secessionist movement brewing with white robed presence and backers in SL and TN.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Mar 2022 17:41

Kanoji wrote:SriLanka should sign the Instrument of accession https://tfipost.com/2022/03/567578/

what will we do with their war criminals' infested and racist SL army

what of their parliament and social structures

their political, cultural and social ethe/ethea are very different

best to let sleeping dogs lie in the hope that in the fullness of time, they will die in their sleep

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 30 Mar 2022 17:54

If I were cynical, I'd say, when we can't control Mamatas and Khujlis, what do we hope to do with a Lankan headache?

There is a BIMSTEC summit going on in SL right now. India is doing the good pro bono work with a long term view. Lankans have to come out of their mess mostly on their own.

It would be great if India had excellent bureau-technocrats who could be dispatched as a crack team to help them come out of their organic agriculture mess. Food will become more important than petrol in a few months.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Mar 2022 18:09

Cyrano wrote:If I were cynical, I'd say, when we can't control Mamatas and Khujlis, what do we hope to do with a Lankan headache?

There is a BIMSTEC summit going on in SL right now. India is doing the good pro bono work with a long term view. Lankans have to come out of their mess mostly on their own.

It would be great if India had excellent bureau-technocrats who could be dispatched as a crack team to help them come out of their organic agriculture mess. Food will become more important than petrol in a few months.

one saw how during the IPKF time, the SL politicos ran rings around the Indian politicos who proved no match for them

the sucked in the foolish ghandhy, effortlessly and so deceptively

then as now, the center's hand is tied because of dravidian politics

the sinhala have played the cheeni card very effectively once again and India is up the creek without a paddle.

best to limit the $$$ exposure and contain the damage before we go in too deep

the cheeni haven't contributed in any meaningful way in SL, nepal and afghanistan, even though they have major BRI stakes and will benefit majorly from any external "humanitarian aid" that comes in, from whatever source

India has babooze who are not loyal to India but only to themselves. They are always looking for "opportunities" to set up for themselves, in retirement sinecures with well funded perks and pay.

So many of our retired baboozes are "swalpa adjust maadi" compromised because of lack of nationalist ethics during their serving years

just look at the sorry line up of such amoral bloated egos in so many second rated think tanks in the US or US/UK/EU/Cheeni/paki funded institutions in India

Kanoji · Post by **Kanoji** » 30 Mar 2022 18:15

chetak wrote:
Kanoji wrote:SriLanka should sign the Instrument of accession https://tfipost.com/2022/03/567578/
what will we do with their war criminals' infested and racist SL army

what of their parliament and social structures

their political, cultural and social ethe/ethea are very different

best to let sleeping dogs lie in the hope that in the fullness of time, they will die in their sleep

I agree with the issues you have posted. I do not agree with the article - just posted it as an FYI.

But I am concerned with the situation India finds itself in. If we do not do anything we run the risk of pushing the SriLankans further into the embrace of the Chinese. If we do help them there is no guarantee the money will be used for pulling up the SL economy. There is no way to prevent one of the RajaPaksa family from coming up with another one of their "environmentally sound" schemes on a whim. It appears that we find ourself between a rock and a hard place.