The next war in the Persian Gulf

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Rudradev » 15 Jun 2019 02:33

Quite frankly, I'm not perturbed by the sabre-rattling at all. In fact, I dearly hope that it escalates eventually to hot war between the US and Iran, with lots of ordinance flying around. Hopefully, Iran is nuked first, and massively.

Reasons:

1) The mass deaths of Muslims, specifically Muslims of child-bearing age, is a valuable outcome for our civilization. Indeed, for all human civilization. We need these vermin depopulated, no matter what the cost. Hopefully Trump will nuke them. If subjected to enough radioactivity, the remainder will not be able to have children for several decades hence... hopefully, for as long as they are reproductively viable.

2) Of all Muslims in the world, Iranian Muslims in Western Media are the most likely to have been subjected to a Western "education", and hence, likely to have been the mouthpieces of Western Liberal poison-wells against Dharma and Hindu civilization.

Exhibit A: Reza Aslan. In the Queens' English, he created "Among the Believers", a CNN TV series presented as a critique of global religion in general. Yet (by sheer coincidence) its first target was the Aghori Babas, whom Aslan decided to present as repsonsible for ALL Hinduism, identifying the entire religion with dwelling naked in the forest and engaging in cannibalism. Clearly the objective was to present the following message: "As bad as Radical Islam may have been for concocting 9/11, it is at least 'civilized'... look at these filthy Hindoo animals still out there."

Exhibit B: A lot more refined and subtle, but consider https://warontherocks.com/2019/06/the-n ... ar-powers/

This is written by an Iranian Muslim piece of garbage named T Negeen Pegahi. Look carefully at what it says (with respect to US liberals, I don't want to make presumptions about its gender, even as it makes presuppositions about the rights of Hindus to breathe oxygen).

It declares that Pakistan has always been a "Revisionist State" because it wanted to change the LOC in its favour, gaining an international border that reflected the Islamist idea that all of J&K is Islamic territory.

It says that India, by comparison has always been a "Status Quo State" because it was willing to accept the LOC as the international border, AND, importantly: because it was inclined to accept LOC as IB, in Congress govt times ; AND because it was willing to "absorb" Islamic terrorism, rooted in Pakistan, against ALL its civilians and security forces personnel, as a price of its intransigence to simply give up land to Islam.

In other words: the very fact of Modi ordering a Surgical Strike in response to the Uri provocation, and ordering the Balakot Airstrike in response to the Pulwama Provocation, makes India EQUALLY AS ANTI-STATUS-QUO, equally as much a threat to World Peace and Nuclear Non-Proliferation, as Pakistan running a 30-Year Terrorist Campaign against India and Hindus with the goal of redrawing the border.

To see the air and missile and (hopefully) nuclear weapons power of the United States geared and driven towards Depopulating Muslims, these days, is a rare and valuable opportunity for any group of genuinely civilized people. We know, without a doubt, that we can never coexist with these animals. (Indeed, I love animals, and have more affection and respect for almost any species of animal with a notochord than I have for Muslims).

It would be a fine thing, a good thing, in multiple ways if the Trump administration declares all-out war against Iran and utterly destroys it at a truly enormous cost in Muslim lives. The fewer Muslims survive (between ages 12-46) the less of them there will be for civilized human beings to contend with in future. That alone is good enough reason for India to wholeheartedly support the relentless, continuous, aerial bombardment (hopefully nuclear) and outright extermination of the entire population of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Manu » 15 Jun 2019 02:44

If this does happen:
(1) It will lead to massive spike in Antisemitism in the US and Europe (it is already rising at an alarming rate). "Fighting Israel's wars/Zio controlled Media " etc.
(2) It will make Pakistan, KSA and Turkey Stronger and destroy any balancing factor that Shia Islam has (including in India).
(3) I do not believe that the Iranians are 'foaming at the mouth violent Pigs' like Pakis or Turks/Arabs. They have this notion of 'Persian Supremacy', but that is a hallmark of any insecure culture who's better days are behind it.
(4) This will not be a war that will be easy to win. In fact, I wager it will be the mother of all quagmires and will literally bankrupt the US (not to mention effect on Morale after Iraq and Afghanistan examples).

What folks write in the Western Media about us is much worse when you see what Brit/American Anglos (and even Jews) write, much more frequently (and virulently).

I literally do not see a single upside from this needless war for India or for the world (including Israel).

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Rudradev » 15 Jun 2019 02:52

No, Manu ji. It will make Sunni Islam the *sole and only* opponent of the Christian West. Once Shias are gone, then what? The Sunnis are going to regroup and threaten Judeo-Christian civilization (it is their very nature). For us, this is an excellent outcome.

At that point, with (a) massive production of fossil fuels in the West and (b) an increased investment into alternative energy sources in the West and (c) peak oil approaching, there will be progressively less incentive for the Judeo-Christian West to tolerate the Sunnis.

What India should recognize is that in this Abrahamic dog-eat-dog, every inter-Abrahamic tussle that occurs is an opportunity for Dharmic civilization to arm and armour herself for the eventual, inevitable, hard confrontation we will have against the Judeo-Christians. These conflicts are, however gentle their proclamation, however virtuous their justification, wars of extermination.

Let the Iranian Muslims die. In huge numbers. Their fate was sealed the very day their proud Sassanid ancestors gave way to the filthy, subhuman doctrine of the Quran. Once they have accepted this vicious, solipsistic worldview that is Islam: the only way out for them is death. And the more of them get killed by the Americans, the fewer we will have to kill with our own ordinance when our time comes.

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Manu » 15 Jun 2019 03:04

I hear you, and we dont have to agree. However, it will not pan out this way, in my opinion. US Public opinion will not support any armed conflict now (they had spent $2.4 Tr on this by 2017). I am almost 100% sure of it. To commit to a Persian Gulf Adventure will seal Trump's fate (he's already taking a beating on the issue of the Wall).

The real malignancy rising in the US is massive insecurity of becoming a majority minority state (not to mention the opioid crisis and that 45% of children are born to Single Mothers - all of these are very damaging indicators to the well being of a nation state) for which almost everyone unfairly blames the favorite villain- the Jews.

They are going to be looking inwards, not outwards (save for a cosmetic China trade War).

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Rudradev » 15 Jun 2019 03:12

No, Manu ji, we don't have to agree at all. However, President Trump is facing a 42% level of support in public opinion, with almost every Democratic candidate (Biden, Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg) beating him in recent speculative polls. There is exactly one route available to him, in order to dominate public opinion: the exact same one that George W Bush was able to leverage vis-a-vis 9/11, a civilizational threat of Islamic terrorism that must be contended with in the harshest manner possible.

If the recent hullabaloo about potentially initiating an "impeachment" inquiry has any weight to it at all, that's even more initiative for President Trump to follow the GWB route. Nothing like jingoistic nationalism to bring a majority of the Murican People on-side.

I dearly, dearly hope that whatever Mr. Trump does in response to his poll numbers, it will result in the deaths of hundreds-of-thousands, or hopefully millions, of Iranian Muslims. This would, sheerly and unarguably, prove a gift to Dharmic civilization. An entirely fortuitous gift, and one we need to embrace with open arms. Especially if the surviving Muslims are incapable of reproducing as a result of residual radioactive poisoning.
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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Rudradev » 15 Jun 2019 04:15

The best-ever kind of Holocaust is one in which we ourselves never have to bear the costs or the blame, but after which we (and other human civilizations) can benefit from the inadvertent fruits.

So yes, President Donald Trump, go at Iran with *no* holds barred. Lead with your W88s, your W76s. All the fallout will accumulate in Pakistan. Fantastic!
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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby VKumar » 15 Jun 2019 04:16

:rotfl: Nostradamus prediction of WW3 in Middle East comes to mind.

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby Rudradev » 15 Jun 2019 05:13

Dear Vkumar ji, I'm sure you intended your joke to be profound. What remains to be understood, in rational terms, is that M. Nostradamus is named after the Cathedral Notre Dame, which itself was recently desecrated (and almost destroyed through arson) by Muslim arsonists.

There is only one way to deal with these vermin, which is to kill them in vast numbers, and incapacitate the rest from ever having any offspring. If President Donald Trump can achieve that, if he truly has any will to accomplish that... it will be a treasured gift to all of humanity.

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby A_Gupta » 15 Jun 2019 06:13

^^^ Normally, your words are more measured. What straw broke the camel's back?

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby fanne » 15 Jun 2019 06:42

ya wondering sir?

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Jun 2019 07:02

Very interesting discussion, on par with "Night Of The Living Dead", and "4th of July, Independence Day".

UBCN analysis of the war drums is that this is a show. DT needs to Look Tough and I think USN babus have told him that a bissing contest around Splatry Islands is not a good idea. So this one is: please the YY vote bank and the fundoo vote bank in one stroke, assuming of course that US does not come out of this like Carter in the Iranian Desert Rescue SNAFU. At the same time. NutNYahoo needs a war to keep the Corruption Polis off his back, and stay out of jail. So yes, I think some "hot flashes" are on.

Iranians are going to die. Unfortunately the ones that are going to die are the ones who struggled hard to learn engineering etc, and became technical officers and soldiers/sailors. Brave men. The yahoos are largely going to be left unscathed. Given that there have to be flashes, the job is reduced to expending the largest number of ALCMs, SLCMS, AAMs, HARMs, JDAAMs, and replacement fighter engines. Dang! forgot to check stock prices of Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed etc. Not that I have any money to invest. Oil prices MAY spike.

Now these attacks on the tankers begin to make sense. Someone is testing out attacks on large moving ships with nearly untraceable launch platforms. One effect may be to convince the US fleet to move out of the Gelf death-trap.

To really get things towards the exciting levels mentioned by RDji, there would have to be a sinking. Of a carrier. Done with total covert op, so that it can be blamed on the Iranians.

Otherwise, this round does not offer much. There may be a joint YY air attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, maybe also on oil facilities. Also on the Navy and Air Fauj. Maybe on the Revolutionary Guards as revenge for the humiliation in Syria. But with what desired end result? No regime in Iran is going to come out pro-Jewish or pro-Sunni.

IOW, the time is not ripe for a really effective war along the lines dreamt by RDji. The YY have already gamed this long ago, when they decided how to split the "unity" of the MooMoo world against the YY. They hit the main fault-line: the Shia-Sunni love. IOW, they aligned with the Sunni, promising help to ruin their Shia enemies. Iraq, Syria, Libya done in. Now only Iran is left.

But the YY know that they have created a monster by allowing the Sunnis to have Da Bum. If Iran is totally defeated, the Sunnis will be free to focus on the YY as enemies. So a total defeat of Iran is ****NOT***** in the interests of the YY. On the contrary, the desirable outcome is an all-out Shia-Sunni exchange of love using nukes, that uses up the entire arsenal of both WMD and missiles of KSA AND Iran. This can only happen after Iran actually acquires a set of nukes. Probably from China or Russia. That's still about 5 years down the line.

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Re: The next war in the Persian Gulf

Postby UlanBatori » 15 Jun 2019 07:06

Continuing the speculation. Whoever did the tanker attacks can now try out the Real Thing: sink an American carrier. In one shot, it will achieve the highest death toll, exceeding 9/11/2001. Plus a GIANT blow to Great Satatnic H&D. So the "retaliation" against Iran will have to achieve a body count of at least 30,000. Massive bombing campaign using B-52s and B-2s.


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