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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 30 Jun 2020 00:44

darshan wrote:Can the police have been set up based on the past behavior?


there is a background to this drama.

the accused police officer is known to be very tough against EJs and south TN is a dangerous place to go against the EJs.

the two "businessmen" were primarily pastors/preachers

and finally, make no mistake – black lives matter (and its India specific derivatives) is a newly launched and rabidly radical neo-marxist political movement that these guys are trying to take global.

desperate to appear woke and support what they hope will soon become a vociferous clamor, local celebrities are queuing up to endorse this movement that the BIF are keen to begin in India.

recall the failed attempts to import the arab spring to India and what they tried to do with it here.

This is a trial balloon sent up to gage the response and to try to instigate and ignite a minnesota like conflagration using local voices and inflammable regional memes

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby SRoy » 30 Jun 2020 01:02

darshan wrote:Can the police have been set up based on the past behavior?


Please.

It's this kind of police behavior that had set off the whole Naxal movement in the first place in the 60s.
Then the ba$t@rd$ followed up with encountering even innocent people at their whims and fancies.

This is how they behave. No matter which state they belong to.

A colonial style uniformed force structured to oppress population without any oversight and repercussions is the perfect handle for the BIFs to exploit.

We even have a thread on Police Reform here on BRF. The thread is there with a reason.

They are the part of the problem, when it comes to national security.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby SRoy » 30 Jun 2020 01:03

WTF is woke?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby darshan » 30 Jun 2020 01:05

Sorry I don't believe and also know that it's not black and white like that. At least as far as speaking of GJ. I know of many examples within GJ of police being set up and that eventually resulted in keep off zones and mini pakistans as police started taking pause about what's acceptable and headaches that came with arrests.


Chinese virus also has presented many examples of good police work.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby SRoy » 30 Jun 2020 01:18

darshan wrote:Sorry I don't believe and also know that it's not black and white like that. At least as far as speaking of GJ.

You mean you don't believe the recorded history of the Naxal violence outbreak and police's role in it?
I believe you man.
After all, Gujarat and Bengal are almost a continent apart, sewed together in an artificial federal structure (as per BIF understanding of the republic).
See, even BIF forces would agree with you.

darshan wrote:I know of many examples within GJ of police being set up and that eventually resulted in keep off zones and mini pakistans as police started taking pause about what's acceptable and headaches that came with arrests.

You mean the khaki guys that were extorting the poor vegetable sellers during the lock down? My PG facility in Navarangpura (yeah I'm in Ahmadabad) ran out of veggie stock because the uniformed extortion gangs made sure that none of poor veggie seller was ready to venture out. Dismiss this as an one off anecdote if you like. BTW, these uniformed extortion gang looks the other way when your beloved GJ drowns itself in bootlegged liquor.

So, sir nothing praiseworthy.

darshan wrote:Chinese virus also has presented many examples of good police work.

Sign of times when you have to applaud people when they are finally forced to do what they are paid to do with taxpayers money.

Reform the police.

For long term survival of SD this ranks high up there with Mandir Control, repeal RTE, reform of bureaucracy.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Sachin » 30 Jun 2020 15:27

SRoy wrote:You mean you don't believe the recorded history of the Naxal violence outbreak and police's role in it?

I don't have much knowledge on West Bengal history. But Naxalism was also a problem in Kerala in late 1960s to 1970s. They spoke of about 'lofty ideals', but ultimately was just another group who belived in their own version of victims, oppresors and justice. KL had seen at least two murders in which the dead men were killed because they fit the naxal definition of 'evil land lord'. Whereas these folks just happen to be from a once land owner community, who has long lost any political relevance. It is only because of very strong police action which reduced the spread of this dangerous ideology and even more dangerous and trigger happy believers. There was also strong political backing. Thanks to the police action atheist naxals became pastors and Sai Baba devotees :lol:. Yes, there has been 1-2 cases of police high-handedness (and some police men had a tough time at courts); but today no sensible person in KL would want to be a naxalite :).

Reform the police.

I have been repeating this again and again. Reformation of police will happen when the society is reformed. Example; a more disciplined & well behaved society like Japan gets a more 'pleasent' police force. A society like ours; where corruption and high handedness (through various factors) are high cannot have a police force which behaves like the stereo-type "Brtish bobby". By the way it would nice if you stop using certain words to abuse an entire group of people just because they are part of one profession. This would be like labelling every Bengali Bhadralok a Chinese stooge or male members assisting in the world's oldest profession etc ;).

chetak wrote:the accused police officer is known to be very tough against EJs and south TN is a dangerous place to go against the EJs.

As per another report I read two SSIs in the accused list was also accused of bashing up two pastors some time back. So this is now being arrayed as not just custodial death but one with a religious motive. The EJs would for sure use this to browbeat any one who is now opposing their 'soul harvesting' schemes. But that being said, what we hear is only media reports. There has to be an investigation and proof that the said individuals died when in police custody and due to the accused police men harming them. But from a pure EJ perspective the investigation, trial and prosecution may not matter; they have got their 'martyrs'.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby nandakumar » 30 Jun 2020 15:49

chetak wrote:
SRoy wrote:End of the day two ordinary people died in police custody.

They were Christians. OK. EJ network will exploit the situation. Got it.

But how does the above makes the police behavior acceptable to you? How do people die in police custody?


judicial custody

There seems to be a misconception about judicial custody. Under the custody of the court doesn't mean that there is a separate lockup room within the Court building. They are simply taken to a jail just the same as convicted prisoners. The only difference is that the jail warden is holding a person on behalf of a judicial officer as opposed to holding a convict on behalf of the people (law). The warden, in the case of judicial custody, is subject to such other orders of the court may specify. But otherwise they are treated on par with convicted inmates as far as facilities go. In contrast in the case of police custody the person is kept in a room within the police station. In both cases the people are entitled to be protected against physical abuse. That these are observed more in breach than in convention goes without saying.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby suryag » 30 Jun 2020 19:32

SRoy sir I have deleted your useless post and have also banned you for a week for writing non sense.

Here the general point is there is more to the story than what is being reported.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Sachin » 30 Jun 2020 20:05

nandakumar wrote:They are simply taken to a jail just the same as convicted prisoners....
But otherwise they are treated on par with convicted inmates as far as facilities go..

There are subtle differences here as well.
#1 When a court sends some on to judicial remand/custody, they are essentially taken to sub-jails (generally smaller prisons) which may be part off a bigger jail or located at a different place.
#2 The people in judicial remand generally do not have to wear prison uniforms and also not asked to do any labour (which convicts may have to do).
#3 People in judicial custody/remand are NOT housed in barracks/cells holding convicts. Both are kept separate.

In the specific case which happened in TN, has it been proven that the two people had been taken into custody by the police? From what I know the police said they had picked up the men as they violated the lock down conditions and also caused a ruckus. Looks like the "ruckus creation" part does not hold good as there is CCTV cameras which have video the father getting inside the police vehicle and the son following it on a two wheeler.

I cannot 100% rely on the media when it comes to neutral/factual reporting on the case due to the vested interests (EJs etc. at play). So has it been confirmed that the two had been kept in illegal custody? And that they were beaten up there? Were they taken to any medical facility right after the incident?

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby chetak » 30 Jun 2020 21:42

there seems to be heavy involvement of EJs and it looks like a black lives matter type of attempt to hype up the case is being made by people who missed out at shaheen bagh.

local going vocal seems to be the name of the age old game.


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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby nandakumar » 30 Jun 2020 21:51

Sachin wrote:
nandakumar wrote:They are simply taken to a jail just the same as convicted prisoners....
But otherwise they are treated on par with convicted inmates as far as facilities go..

There are subtle differences here as well.
#1 When a court sends some on to judicial remand/custody, they are essentially taken to sub-jails (generally smaller prisons) which may be part off a bigger jail or located at a different place.
#2 The people in judicial remand generally do not have to wear prison uniforms and also not asked to do any labour (which convicts may have to do).
#3 People in judicial custody/remand are NOT housed in barracks/cells holding convicts. Both are kept separate.

In the specific case which happened in TN, has it been proven that the two people had been taken into custody by the police? From what I know the police said they had picked up the men as they violated the lock down conditions and also caused a ruckus. Looks like the "ruckus creation" part does not hold good as there is CCTV cameras which have video the father getting inside the police vehicle and the son following it on a two wheeler.

I cannot 100% rely on the media when it comes to neutral/factual reporting on the case due to the vested interests (EJs etc. at play). So has it been confirmed that the two had been kept in illegal custody? And that they were beaten up there? Were they taken to any medical facility right after the incident?

Thanks for those insights. I stand corrected with regard to the distinction (remand prisoner and convict). But in the instant case I am really perplexed. I dare say, the police are known to use strong arm tactics. But for a lockdown violation? That seems a bit of a stretch.

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Re: Kerala, Andhra and Tamil Nadu - news and strategy thread

Postby Sachin » 01 Jul 2020 21:09

nandakumar wrote:I dare say, the police are known to use strong arm tactics. But for a lockdown violation? That seems a bit of a stretch.

From what I have noticed; it is actually very rare for police officials to literally beat some one to death these days. Many of the police men actually are keen on keeping their jobs safe. A recent case of actual torture & custodial death happened in Kerala. Here a man was actually kept in illegal custody for nearly 2-3 days. This man was suspected to have embezzled funds to a shady (illegal?) chit fund company. These illegal financiers also had 'encouraged' the police to go for strong arm tactics. And the police men who actually tortured him also did it after getting support from their immediate supervisors. Again their intention was not to kill the man, but ultimately that was what happened :(.

Don't know more on the death of two people in Tamil Nadu. Was it a similar case like what happened in Kerala? There are also cases where individuals have died and the relatives and friends alleging that the death was due to police torture which kind of happened months back. But looks like today EJs have gained an upper hand, at least in this case.

chetak wrote:there seems to be heavy involvement of EJs and it looks like a black lives matter type of attempt to hype up the case

The link you gave even though in favour of EJs actually gives some more insight to the case. Note the line - "“Raja Singh is crucial to our case because he was in the same jail as Jayaraj and Bennix,”". So did the two individuals die in a sub-jail? Sub-Jails are not manned by police officers from the local police. Secondly an individual is sent to a sub jail based on the orders of a magistrate. To send a person to sub-jail (judicial custody) the police men has to produce him in front of a magistrate who will check the 'remand report' and then give an order to send the person to judicial custody. At this juncture the arrested man also gets a chance to say that he was tortured in custody. Or in very severe cases the magistrate would be able to see the health of the people.

Also note the clubbing of another case of murder. The two individuals who are being supported by EJs are involved in the murder of another person Jayakumar. And also note how the death of Mahendran which happened much later being clubbed with police torture which happened a month back.

Timeline of custodial deaths of Jayaraj and Bennix Felix in Tamil Nadu
The above report has the time line of events.
1. The two men are taken to the PS at 0819PM on 19June. Looks like they were detained in the police lockup.
2. On 20 June the police then taken both of them for a medical fitness test (at what time?) and also produces them in front of the judicial magistrate. Here the police has followed the process in the correct way. The report is silent on what the magistrate ordered. Were they let off on bail? Sent back into police custody? Or were they remanded to judicial custody?
3. On 22 June (i.e three days after spending the night in the PS) the individuals admitted to the hospital die. Where were they during these three days? The hospital is said to be 100km away from the homes of the dead men.

There would be lots of paper audit trails about the whole case. Right from the FIR, station general dairy, medical fitness report and the magistrate's orders. But the EJs have built their own narrative.

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Kerala Communist Government Caught In A Row Over E-Mobility Project, Selection Of Consultant; Swiss E-Bus Maker Questioned

by M R Subramani-Jul 3, 2020 08:59 PM

The Left Democratic Front (LDF) in Kerala led by the Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPM) is caught in another controversy again - the third in recent times over engaging Pricewaterhouse Coopers (PwC) and selecting a Swiss firm for its e-mobility projects.

As part of its e-mobility plans, the Kerala government will purchase 3,000 electric buses that will be manufactured through a joint venture between Kerala Automobiles Ltd and Switzerland-based bus manufacturer HESS AG. The project will cost between Rs 4,500 and Rs 6,000 crore.
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The controversy stems from the Pinarayi Vijayan government's decision to select HESS to manufacture the buses and appoint global consultancy firm PwC to prepare a detailed project report on manufacturing electric vehicles in Kerala.

The order to appoint PwC to prepare the project report was issued on 7 November last year by Kerala Transport Secretary K R Jyothilal.

In the current situation, the Opposition parties led by the Congress have accused the Vijayan government of appointing PwC without floating any tender. The Kerala chief minister has, however, denied the charges saying all procedures had been followed in appointing the consultancy firm.

The controversy over HESS selection has resulted in leader of the Opposition in Kerala Assembly Ramesh Chennithala meeting the media at least thrice in the last five days questioning the process. He alleged that Kerala Government and HESS AG had signed an agreement to manufacture electric buses on 29 July last year, while the LDF has denied it.

The Opposition is up in arms mainly since Kerala’s Chief Secretary had in January 2018 objected to the selection of HESS, questioning how the selection was made and what procedures had been followed.

In addition, the State Finance Secretary objected to the agreement with HESS in August last year, saying that such a large number of buses cannot be procured without floating tenders.
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Congress Lok Sabha member from Chalakudy in Kerala’s Thrissur district Benny Behanan has alleged that one of PwC directors Jaik Balakumar is associated with Exalogic Solutions, owned by Vijayan’s daughter.

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https://swarajyamag.com/politics/kerala-communist-government-caught-in-a-row-over-e-mobility-project-selection-of-consultant-swiss-e-bus-maker-questioned

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Postby darshan » 04 Jul 2020 18:19

YSRCP seeks disqualification of its own Lok Sabha MP Raghurama Krishna Raju who exposed mass conversions to Christianity in Andhra Pradesh
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/ysrcp-d ... a-pradesh/
On Friday, a delegation of Members of Parliament (MPs) from YSRCP had reportedly met Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla and demanded the disqualification of the party member and MP, Raghurama Krishna Raju. He was elected from the Lok Sabha constituency of Narsapuram in Andhra Pradesh and had been a vocal critic of the current political dispensation in the State in recent times.

The delegation was led by Rajya Sabha MP V Vijaysai Reddy who alleged that Raju had used unparliamentary language against fellow party members and Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister YS Jaganmohan Reddy. He further claimed that the outspoken MP had ‘colluded’ with opposition party members against his own party. V Vijaysai Reddy is the Chief Secretary of YSRCP.

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Postby darshan » 04 Jul 2020 18:47

DMK leader Devendran absconding after sexually harassing and murdering a young woman
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/dmk-lea ... ung-woman/
Reportedly, the DMK leader along with his brother Purushotthaman had secretly filmed her and then used it to blackmail her stating that he would share on social media if she did not fulfil their sexual desires.

However, the brave young girl Sasikala refused to budge and had warned them of informing her parents. Angered by this, the DMK office-bearer allegedly killed her and made it look like she committed suicide by hanging herself, the complainant said.

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Postby darshan » 06 Jul 2020 17:50

30kg gold in ‘diplomatic’ bag
A smuggling syndicate is suspected to have used the name of a person who enjoys diplomatic immunity
http://www.telegraphindia.com/amp/india ... id/1785433
“We are investigating some scamsters who seem to have misused the name of this person. We have nabbed some of them and an investigation is on,” he said.

Kumar said the person with diplomatic immunity to whom the consignment was addressed was cooperating with the probe.

Last year, more than 550kg of smuggled gold was seized in Kerala, setting a national record, Kumar said.

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Postby darshan » 07 Jul 2020 00:48

Kerala: Centre directs State to take disciplinary action against one Asif for forging caste certificate in UPSC exam
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/modi-go ... upsc-exam/
On Thursday, the Union Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions wrote a letter to the Chief Secretary of Kerala and recommended that the status of ‘IAS’ to not be conferred to sub-collector of Thalassery, Asif K Yusuf for reportedly producing a fake caste certificate in his UPSC exam.

Reportedly, the wrongdoing on the part of Asif was established in a detailed inquiry by the Ernakulam District Collector S Suhas. The latter had submitted his report on the same in November last year. As per the report, Asif had forged his caste certificate to claim benefits of the reservation during UPSC exams meant for people belonging to the non-creamy layer of Other Backward Caste (OBC).

How Asif exploited the system?
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Postby chetak » 07 Jul 2020 15:05

Smuggling Gold in UAE Consulate’s Diplomatic Baggage:

Former staffer Swapna hiding and Customs picks former PRO Sarith. Top IAS officer’s link to be probed https://pgurus.com/smuggling-gold-in-uae-consulates-diplomatic-baggage-former-staffer-swapna-hiding-and-customs-picks-former-pro-sarith-top-ias-officers-link-to-be-probed/ via @PGurus1

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Postby darshan » 07 Jul 2020 18:12

CMO’s link with gold smuggling racket? Kerala CM’s Vijayan’s principal secretary removed after his name comes up in the scandal
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/m-sivas ... iplomatic/
On Tuesday, the Kerala government had removed M Sivasankar as the Principal Secretary to the Chief Minister after his name surfaced in a high-profile gold smuggling case related to the UAE embassy in the capital of Kerala. He has now been replaced by IAS Mir Mohammad Ali. As per reports, Sivasankar was also removed as the IT secretary.

As per reports, Sivasankar is accused of making calls to the customs department to get clearance for a ‘diplomatic package’ that was smuggling 30-kg of gold. He has also been accused, by both the Congress and the BJP, for protecting one of the kingpins of the gold smuggling syndicate, namely, Swapna Suresh. Swapna Suresh’s diplomatic baggage with smuggled gold was held at the Thiruvananthapuram airport.

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Postby chetak » 07 Jul 2020 19:50

chetak wrote:
Smuggling Gold in UAE Consulate’s Diplomatic Baggage:

Former staffer Swapna hiding and Customs picks up former PRO Sarith. Top IAS officer’s link to be probed https://pgurus.com/smuggling-gold-in-uae-consulates-diplomatic-baggage-former-staffer-swapna-hiding-and-customs-picks-former-pro-sarith-top-ias-officers-link-to-be-probed/ via @PGurus1



What's with kerala and these scammy deals with silk smitha like women allegedly involved with CMs

First solar saritha and now gold swapna.

the former PRO in custody confesses that he and swapna got Rs.25 lakh per operation.
So 30kg gold bars for whom
How many such operations by gold swapna when in service and when out of service
kerala media quoting his confession admitting to around 10 such operations.

M Sivasankar, IAS removed as Principal Secretary to Chief Minister of Kerala. This is in light of allegations that M Sivasankar has links with swapna suresh who was allegedly part of Gold Smuggling racket using the diplomatic channel. @DDNewslive

Given the slick professionalism, swapna suresh just can't be a first time smuggler. Nothing short of @NIA_India probe will bring out the truth.

there are allegations that the commies are directly involved in this and it goes right to the very top

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Postby darshan » 07 Jul 2020 21:07

Kerala Electric Bus Deal With Swiss Firm: Communist Government Spurns Centre’s Directive, Project Advisor Jhunjhunwala’s View
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/kera ... walas-view

Kerala government’s decision to sign an agreement with HESS AG to produce electric buses is also against a directive from the Union government.

The Centre instructed the Pinarayi Vijayan government that only the public sector firm, Kerala Automobiles Ltd, should sign the agreement with the Swiss firm and not the State government, Malayalam daily Malayala Manorama reported.

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Postby darshan » 08 Jul 2020 18:58

Extortion Threat Gone Wrong: How Customs Got Wind Of Gold Smuggling Racket That Now Threatens Kerala's Communist Government
https://swarajyamag.com/politics/extort ... government

When Kerala police arrested eight persons of a 12-member impostor gang last week for attempting to take hostage actor-cum-model Shamna Kasim, there was little indication of a storm ahead for the Left Democratic Front (LDF) government in the State.

The gang had collected the actor’s family details from others in the film industry. It then came to light that there were a number of cases filed against the gang by various others.

Media reports said that the gang had extorted money from eight other models this year using similar methods.

The gang would threaten these actors that it would shame them publicly by publishing their photos or clips or videos online that had content damaging their reputation.

It was during this investigation that actor Dharmarajan Bolgatty revealed that he was approached by a gold smuggling gang. He said the gang had approached him seeking the contact numbers of Shamna as well as leading actor Miya George.

Bolgatty told the media that the extortion gang had contacted him claiming to be gold smugglers.

Police initially gave the impression that it refused to believe the gold smuggling reference, but it began to pursue that angle seriously.

Investigations by police led to the gang members explaining details of how actors were used to smuggle gold and how a “deal woman" helped them.

What police stumbled upon while probing the gang was that there was a well-entrenched racked that smuggled gold into the country through actors, who were taken to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for stage shows.

However, Opposition parties such as the Congress and Bharatiya Janata Party are demanding a detailed investigation into the whole issue of gold smuggling, possibly by the Central Bureau of Investigation.

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are the fires burning too close to the commie home


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Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Jul 2020 04:04

chetak wrote:are the fires burning too close to the commie home


If so, why are they clamoring for complete investigation? I don't get that.

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Postby Vivasvat » 09 Jul 2020 04:06

Vayutuvan wrote:
chetak wrote:are the fires burning too close to the commie home


If so, why are they clamoring for complete investigation? I don't get that.

Smoke and mirrors, perhaps?

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Postby chetak » 09 Jul 2020 04:27

Vayutuvan wrote:
chetak wrote:are the fires burning too close to the commie home


If so, why are they clamoring for complete investigation? I don't get that.


either the evidence is buried and/or minions in the chain already taken out.

that gold swapna lady is not yet traced.

will she surface dead or alive :mrgreen:


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