J&K Union Territory-2019

[saip]

Sorry, could you please translate that into English?

[Rana]

The last part was
"You were left with no option but throwing stones, we removed 370"
It rhymes and is fantastic in the original Hindi

[saip]

Thanks.

[sanman]

what's going on?

[g.sarkar]

कारगिल युद्ध की अनसुनी कहानी | Sensational Podcast With Vikram Jit Singh, Journalist
In this episode of Mor Talks, Watch Mr. Vikram Jit Singh, a Kargil War correspondent who witnessed the war firsthand. Vikram shares his experiences of the war, from the planning and execution of the Indian military's operations to the personal stories of the soldiers who fought and died. He also talks about the challenges of being a war correspondent and the importance of telling the stories of these forgotten heroes.
Vikram Jit Singh served two postings in Srinagar as a journalist: 1997-1999 with The Indian Express and 2004 with India TV.
This is a must-listen episode for anyone who wants to learn more about the Kargil War. Vikram's insights and stories are both harrowing and inspiring, and they offer a unique perspective on one of the most important events in Indian history.

Gautam

[rahulm]

कारगिल युद्ध की अनसुनी कहानी | Sensational Podcast With Vikram Jit Singh, Journalist
In this episode of Mor Talks, Watch Mr. Vikram Jit Singh, a Kargil War correspondent who witnessed the war firsthand. Vikram shares his experiences of the war, from the planning and execution of the Indian military's operations to the personal stories of the soldiers who fought and died. He also talks about the challenges of being a war correspondent and the importance of telling the stories of these forgotten heroes.
Vikram Jit Singh served two postings in Srinagar as a journalist: 1997-1999 with The Indian Express and 2004 with India TV.
This is a must-listen episode for anyone who wants to learn more about the Kargil War. Vikram's insights and stories are both harrowing and inspiring, and they offer a unique perspective on one of the most important events in Indian history.
Gautam

I produced a transcript of the key points in this superb vdo for the ex NDA group I am a member and posting it here. I have not proof read it due to time constraints and is surely full of errors.

[I have edited some obvious errors and cleaned up and although many errors remain and the English grammar and construction is all over the place. I think its fit enough for purpose and will leave it there]

15 Corps standing orders were to hold Bajrang post (Pt 5299) during winter which, against orders was vacated in April.

14/15 May 4 JAT is missing “no radio contact”, after which 32 man platoon under Capt Amit Bharadwaj ordered to investigate.

While climbing to Pt 5299, Capt Bharadwaj’s 4 JAT comes under heavy fire. Capt Bharadwaj and his (Havildar?) Rajbir KIA. Many are wounded. Balance of Capt Bharadwaj’s party retreated

Capt Bharadwaj and his (Havildar?) Rajbir could only be retrieved on 13 July . ~ 2 months later - such was enemy fire control of the area.

Army informed Sunita, Capt Bharadwaj’s sister in Jaipur that Army is not able to recover Capt Bharajwaj body fearing additional losses during recovery. Sunita agreed no additional men should lose their lives in attempting to recover her brothers body and did not inform her parents. Capt Haneefuddin’s single mother responded similarly when she lost her son. What women!


Ladakh is a large area facing 2 antagonists - Pak and China post successful Op Meghdoot (Siachen) in 1984.

In 1985/86 under Maj Gen R K Kaul 28 Inf Div which was raised in Kupwara and then moved to western Ladakh (currently 8 Mountain Div AOR). Eastern Ladakh had 3 Inf Div already stationed. Thus, Ladakh had 2 Inf Div’s (3 and 28) post Op Meghdoot and this was the status unit 1991.

When Kashmir terrorism started in early 90’s. 28 Inf Division was pulled out from Ladakh and stationed in Kupwara assigned to CI ops. Now entire Ladakh (western and Eastern) was fronted by 3 Inf Div. This meant from Zoji-La to Turtuk/Chor batla which was previously addressed by an Inf Div, was now AOR of 1 Independent Inf Brigade. After these redeployments and thinning out, Ladakh had no reserves. In 1997 70 Brigade (@ Khalsi) which was a reserve Brigade for Eastern Ladakh was moved by 15 Corps Commander Lt Gen G S Dhillon from Ladakh to Kashmir.

Consequently when Kargil war started there were no reserves in Ladakh. This meant 56 Mountain Brigade HQ Wusan deployed for CI was re-deployed overnight to Drass.

70 Inf Brigade, a brigade HQ with no combat units was tasked to take Batalik without combat units. The first combat ready equipped battalions to attach to 70 Inf Brigade were 1/11 GR (Col Lalit Rai, VC, Capt Manoj Pandey PVC posthumous, Hav Bhim Bahadur Dewan and Lance Naik Gyanendra Rai VC. The battalion also entered the exclusive club of those rarest of the rare units of the Indian Army to have won both the ‘Param Vir Chakra’ and the ‘Ashok Chakra 'The Bravest of the Brave' ) and 12 JKLI (being de-inducted from Siachen at 1/3 strength )

IA posts in the Kargil, Batalik, Drass, Mushkosh are spaced far apart (40 kms).

There were deficiencies in winter patrolling.

*From Pakistan side:*

Post India- Pak nuclear tests, Pakistan thought a full blown war is not possible but limited conflicts are possible.

Gen Musharraf become COAS in 1998

FCNA Commander Maj Gen Javed Hassan was an aggressive, ambitious Commander. He had been the Defence attaché in the US for 4 years and got along well with the Americans. He favoured crossing the LC.

Maj Gen Javed Hassan’s boss, GOC 10 Corps (Rawalpindi) Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmed had similar aims like Maj Gen Javed Hassan.

Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmed’s boss, Chief of General Staff , Lt Gen Aziz Khan was similar.

Gen Jehangir Karmat (Musharraf’s predecessor was against violating the LC having learnt his lesson in failed Op Gibraltar (1965).

Lt Gen Mahmud Ahmed’s predecessor, GOC 10 Corps Lt Gen Salim Haider was also against crossing the LC.

By October 1998 Maj Gen Javed Hassan had commenced recce including personally. (Violations of LOC which went unchallenged by IA).

By December 1998 teams of 6 NLI and 12 NLI had already infiltrated.

In a rwist of fate, snow melted earlier that year opening up Zoji-La for IA movement - an event Pak had not anticipated.

FCNA Commander Maj Gen Javed Hassan visited 12 NLI posts on 13 March 1999 by helicopter.

26 March 1999 FCNA Commander Maj Gen Javed Hassan visited their Brig Arty Commander 80 Brigade Mahmud Aslam with 3-4 officers.

CO Col A S Cheema, 12 MAHAR fighting in Mushkoh found a diary belonging to 12 NLI officer Capt Hussain Ahmed with an entry “on 28 March 1999 Gen Musharraf visited his post 11 kms inside Indian territory and stayed the night” @ Pt 125 Zakaria post)

29 March 1999 Chief of General Staff Gen, Aziz Khan visits 80 Brigade Mahmud Aslam.

When eventually the Pakis started retreating, 12 MAHAR found 83 cans of aviation fuel.

All of this went unchallenged by the IA.

Paki POW, Inayat Ali (Batalik) of 5 NLI captured at Pt 4812 by 12 JKLI

Op Safed Sagar launched on 26 May 1999.

Until then there had been no orientation/training for IA + IAF for high altitude offensive operations.

1/11 GR redeployed from Siachen to Kokarthan in May 1999 to vacate a “rag tag motley group of intruders”. 1/11 GR was under strength and under equipped with no infantry support weapons and no arty support.

15 Corps HQ had ordered an attack on night of 17/18 May 1999. Major Manoj Pandey and his CO (officiating) Lt Col Amul Asthana create a tizzy by telling CO 70 Brigade, Brigade Major Indra Balan who had forward deployed into the battle field at Yaldor on 17/05/1999 that the order to attack was suicidal and all 30 men would be picked out as sitting ducks ascending the cliff face.

Major Manoj Pandey and his CO (officiating) Lt Col Amul Asthana didn’t refuse to carry out orders, just pointed out the one way nature of the mission with a zero % chance of success. They recommend waiting for arty support and equipment. 1/11 GR at the time of 15 Corps order to attack on night of 17/18 May 1999 had only 3 mortar shells.

Senior officers were upset at the feedback from Major Manoj Pandey and his CO (officiating) Lt Col Amul Asthana. The former couldn’t understand the reluctance of 1/11 GR to vacate a “rag tag motley group of intruders”

CO 17 Inf Brigade, Brig Devinder Singh takes responsibility to call off 1/11 GR attack on night of 17/18 May 1999 and to inform Corps HQ and GOC 3 Inf Div Gen Budhwar accordingly. Shows moral courage to do the right thing under pressure. But there were repercussions for this :-(

*This showed the disconnect between the Senior officers (Corps Commander, Army Commander, Gen Khanna) sitting away from the battle and the men in facing fire contact with the enemy who said this is not a “rag tag motley group of intruders: but a “company defended location complete with machine gun, arty and logistics support). We are facing targeted fire.*

80% of IA casualties were due to Arty fire.

IA did not have high altitude firing tables. In Batalik sector, IA arty shells had a possibility of blue on blue casualties.

IA was never trained for Kargil type of conflict. No battle field manual existed.

13 JKLI had already reached their peace station when they were immediately recalled and deployed. Rifleman Sanjay Kumar 13 JKLI VC recounts they had no maps and no routes to climb. They were simply ordered to attack. After climbing under cover of darkness, when they looked down at what they had climbed in the dark they were horrified.

Vikram Jit Singh went with 18 Gharwal rifles up Tololing to Kala Pathar on 01/07/1999 with Major Sharma, Regimental Commissioned Officer, with 15 men. He saw the Mi26 wreckage that was downed by a Stinger missile. They came under fire from air burst arty for 45 mins. They were on their way to meet up with the CO Col S K Charavorthy. Vikram Jit Singh comes down - unable to continue due to mountain sickness.

0n 7/07/1999 BGS, Brig Chopra invites Vikram Jit Singh to Batalik in a helicopter and then climb to Pt 4812 to witness the burial of bodies of Pak men that Pak was refusing to claim. He witnessed the burial of 5 NLI men with full Islamic rites conducted buy the regimental Maulvi. Ironically, 5 NLI tools were used to dig their graves.

They had to cross a vertical cliff face with enough space for 1 shoe at a time to camp for the night. Subedar Karan Singh, 12 JKLI Signal Subedar of CO 12 JKLI Col Balotia was assigned to Vikram Jit Singh had a wicked sense of humour. The Subedar said, when we are fired upon while crossing, save your head. If you lose a limb we can still save you and give you a new limb but if you lose your head, we cant do anything.

Durg Narayan Shrestha of 1/11/ GR was tasked with carrying the MMG tripod was wounded and fell climbing in the dark. Next day his paltan couldn’t find hi, After the war, they went back looking for him but couldn’t find the body. The GOI game his widow (Nepali) Rs 60 lakh in Nepali currency as compensation. She refused saying she cant believe that Durg Narayan Shrestha was dead. By now Col Amul Asthana was CO of 1/11 GR and he visited the widow and her 2 kids 2001 in Nepal with his wife and kids. She still refused the money. In 2001 1 BIHAR located a skeleton with boots on. The issue number on the boots matched the issue to Durg Narayan Shrestha, his pistol and MMG tripod also matched. The widow was contacted and she asked for the last rites to be performed where he was found. She then accepted the compensation after 2 years.

The families of the men are also equally brave and courageous as well as how the whole country stood with the forces.

He speaks about the wonderful work by the RMO’s.

It is unfair to only name certain units and people. Many more units and names should have received awards, Young officers and jawan’s had the passion against impossible odds to win a high altitude battle unprecedented in the history of war. It’s a singular example of courage against all odds at those heights, at such a long frontier, in such a sustained manner, against a well entrenched enemy with well planned defences.

The role and support of the locals in supporting the IA and in the absence of maps, using locals for route finding to the heights was critical. Role of porters ti supply and maintain the posts was also critical. Local mules (NuNu’s) were also worth their weight in gold for supply.

In an instance, in Batalik sector a complete village reached Brig HQ to offer porter services gratis. These included Bank managers, teachers etc.

[g.sarkar]

RahulMji,
Thanks for the translation into English, as I am sure there are many members who do not understand Hindi. To your translated stuff may I add: As India moved troops from Ladakh to fight the jihadis in J&K, there was a general thinning out, Pakistan was watching this and loving it. When they came in to occupy posts vacated for winter, they found no presence of Indian army, and occupied many many more posts than originally planned.
Gautam

[Cyrano]

What a récit! Thank you Rahul ji. Namans to our shoor veers ! We have to be a nation worthy of their sacrifices.

[Jay]

I produced a transcript of the key points in this superb vdo for the ex NDA group I am a member and posting it here. I have not proof read it due to time constraints and is surely full of errors.

Thank you for this work, Rahul ji.

[VinodTK]

The sad part is not a single senior officer was held responsible or reprimanded for the lapses commited, as usual the grunts fight and die.

[g.sarkar]

Vinodji,
while that sad part is true, senior officers turned into babus when excrement hit the fan, there is still a redeeming side. My heart fills up with great pride at the actions of our younger officers and men who fought with no questions asked. When Paltan's Izzat is in question, these men fought beyond what was expected. If you read Pakistani sources you will see that such tenacity and ferociousness was not expected by Pakistani officers and planners, who lead superbly from the rear. I am sure China was watching this unfolding too.
Gautam

[sanman]

[vijayk]

Is anyone following the 370 hearings?

I went thru the videos. Could not follow

Can someone summarize the hearings? I am hearing from ZERO SIBAL and Judges but not Govt side.

[krithivas]

Crescent Moon is seeeding treasonous ideas by asking (or rather suggesting) -

‘Can Article 370 be made permanent by Assembly?’: SC

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ca ... d5cf5&ei=5

[Pratyush]

My take of the hearings is that the judiciary is letting Zero Loss hang himself.

From Friday to Monday. Zero Loss has completely reversed his position.

The governments position is going to be very simple. If by a presidential order a claus can be inserted in the constitution. Then by a presidential order same clause can be removed/ nullified as well.

The CJI is following a certain judicial logic.

I will be shocked if the judgement goes against the government

[chetak]

This step has a very calculated background

the tr@!t0r0u$ roles played by the @bdu!!@h$ and the muft!$ in the cashmeri p@nd!t gen0c!de needs to be probed and exposed

for far too long have these gaddars lived off the fat of the Indian land

Aditya Raj Kaul@AdityaRajKaul

BIG BREAKING NEWS FROM KASHMIR

Government of India in a historic step decides to reopen cases of Kashmiri Hindu genocide from 1989-90 after 34 years.

First case to reopen is the case of Justice Neelkanth Ganjoo who was killed in 1989 by JKLF terrorists of Yasin Malik. Justice Ganjoo had sentenced JKLF terrorist Maqbool Butt. Maqbool Butt was hanged by India in response to killing of Indian Diplomat Ravindra Mahtre in UK.

Thank you PM @narendramodi and HM @AmitShah.

SIA seeks public help to investigate Neelkanth Ganjoo murder case

SRINAGAR, AUGUST 07: In order to unearth the larger criminal conspiracy behind murder of Retired Judge, Neelkanth Ganjoo three decades ago, the State Investigation Agency (SIA), through a communique, has appealed all persons familiar with facts or circumstances of this murder case to come forward and share any account of events which has direct or indirect bearing on the investigation of the instant case.

The communique further adds that the identity of all such persons shall be kept completely hidden and protected besides all useful and relevant information shall be suitably rewarded. The public has been asked to contact on 8899004976 or on email sspsia-kmr@jkpolice.gov.infor having any information related to this murder case.

[skumar]

Is anyone following the 370 hearings?

I went thru the videos. Could not follow

Can someone summarize the hearings? I am hearing from ZERO SIBAL and Judges but not Govt side.

I have been trying to follow the proceedings. Since many petitions challenged Gov Order 272 diluting A370, SC has clubbed together all the petitions. Hence as of EOD 09-Aug (Day 4), petitioner' lawyers have been arguing the case - Kapil Sibal, Gopal Subramanium and Zafar Shah, lawyer for Kashmir Bar Association.

Zero Loss Sibal's argument has been that 370 was never intended to be a temporary provision and it was put under PART XXI (TEMPORARY, TRANSITIONAL AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS) of the Indian Constitution only because the J&K state constitution was yet to be drafted.But this does not answer why it continued to be there for 75+ years after 1957 which was the year that J&K constituion was drafted, esp during early years when the original framers of the Indian constitution were still alive. ZLS has been talking for 3 days.
ZLS says that Kashmir is a special state in the sense that MO for merger with India for all other states was the Merger Agreement but for J&K, it was the Instrument of Accession which left the decision to a J&K Constituent Assembly (JKCA). JKCA decided to remain with India in 1957 but subject to 370.

Mr Gopal S says Indian constitution and J&K constitution "talk to each other and complement each other". This is absurd since there is clear disconnect on the ground. The Indian constitution ignores J&K constitution post 1957. Subramanium reiterates similar points as ZLS but highlights federalism, consent and constitutional propriety (which basically means if you rule against me, you are bad boys).

Zafar Shah brings in the UN in his arguments and also says that some sovereignty was retained by JKCA. He says that J&K has only "shaken hands with India but has not embraced India". His arguments are all about how J&K is special - don't treat me like other states. Basically he wants to continue being a "damaad".

I guess that the government will begin its arguments tomorrow if Zafar Shah finishes early and there are no other petitioners.

We are still dealing with the mess left by Chacha.

[Sachin]

Zero Loss has completely reversed his position.

Can you explain a bit more in detail about how Zero Loss became a Kejriwal U-turn wallah?

The CJI is following a certain judicial logic.

Don't know if legal doctrines like Doctrine of Election also gets played out here. Basically it says that, no person can pick and choose parts which favour him as part of an agreement. An agreement gets accepted in full, or rejected in full.

I will be shocked if the judgement goes against the government

I am expecting a Demonetization style verdict. The decision of GoI will get upheld with some caveats etc, which will not have much legal value. The "seculars" can then use these to claim "moral victory".

[sanman]

Sibal continues to crookedly push for reimposition of Article 370:

[Cyrano]

The most disingenuous argument I heard Zero Logic Sibal make is to ask for a referendum in J&K and cite Brexit. The false parallel he tries to draw between India and EU is a continuation of "India is a union of states" which as no basis in fact. India as we know from 1947 is the result of an irrevocable fusion of British usurped (doctrine of lapse etc) and British controlled areas (Madras Presidency etc) and independent kingdoms (what are princely states? this term assumes subjugation to British crown) that signed a one way instrument of accession. Whereas the EU started as a trade and commerce agreement (treaty of Maastricht) between sovereign countries that fought 2 world wars in a span of 3 decades, as an attempt to prevent future wars by creating interdependencies and facilitate people movement across the Zone. That is why even today we call it EU Zone and not EU country, and never EU nation.

fron wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

"Title I, Common Provisions, establishes the European Union (EU) on the foundation of the three, already partially merged, European Communities: the European Economic Community (EEC), the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom)."

EU treaties are not one way, that is why Brexit was possible.

Indian states we have today were formed out of that independent, sovereign, indivisible nation formed in 1947 for administrative ease of the vast Indian subcontinent,and to preserve the cultural, linguistic diversity of its different peoples who were invaded, divided, colonised, exploited and looted for centuries by islamic and European invasions.

It confirms among its objectives are "the introduction of a citizenship of the Union" common to the nationals of the Member States; "economic and monetary union, ultimately including a single currency"; and "a common foreign and security policy including the eventual framing of a common defence

That India and EU are following opposite paths is clear as day. Instead of correcting the aberration of Indias post independence fusion and reinforcing its unity and integration by removing art 370 & 35A, Sibbal & Pappu, Cong & leftist cabals and BIFs want us to swallow their absurd seditious narrative by equating the two - which is a blatant attempt to create future arguments and Ram forbid, predecents to break up Bharat. I wish our SC judges had the ba$$s to suo moto call this out and jail these zero logic Sibbals and their ilk for sedition.

[chetak]

The most disingenuous argument I heard Zero Logic Sibal make is to ask for a referendum in J&K and cite Brexit. The false parallel he tries to draw between India and EU is a continuation of "India is a union of states" which as no basis in fact. India as we know from 1947 is the result of an irrevocable fusion of British usurped (doctrine of lapse etc) and British controlled areas (Madras Presidency etc) and independent kingdoms (what are princely states? this term assumes subjugation to British crown) that signed a one way instrument of accession. Whereas the EU started as a trade and commerce agreement (treaty of Maastricht) between sovereign countries that fought 2 world wars in a span of 3 decades, as an attempt to prevent future wars by creating interdependencies and facilitate people movement across the Zone. That is why even today we call it EU Zone and not EU country, and never EU nation.

fron wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

"Title I, Common Provisions, establishes the European Union (EU) on the foundation of the three, already partially merged, European Communities: the European Economic Community (EEC), the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom)."

EU treaties are not one way, that is why Brexit was possible.

Indian states we have today were formed out of that independent, sovereign, indivisible nation formed in 1947 for administrative ease of the vast Indian subcontinent,and to preserve the cultural, linguistic diversity of its different peoples who were invaded, divided, colonised, exploited and looted for centuries by islamic and European invasions.

It confirms among its objectives are "the introduction of a citizenship of the Union" common to the nationals of the Member States; "economic and monetary union, ultimately including a single currency"; and "a common foreign and security policy including the eventual framing of a common defence

That India and EU are following opposite paths is clear as day. Instead of correcting the aberration of Indias post independence fusion and reinforcing its unity and integration by removing art 370 & 35A, Sibbal & Pappu, Cong & leftist cabals and BIFs want us to swallow their absurd seditious narrative by equating the two - which is a blatant attempt to create future arguments and Ram forbid, predecents to break up Bharat. I wish our SC judges had the ba$$s to suo moto call this out and jail these zero logic Sibbals and their ilk for sedition.

Cyrano ji,

one has been watching this guy and listening to his arguments for sometime now..

he is not a constitutional expert by any stretch of imagination. A cart horse cannot compete with a thorough bred race horse and be expected to win.

So, if he is not here to win, then what is the purpose to his being in court and who wanted him there, and the answers to some of these questions may give an indication as to why such fallacious arguments are being made. Someone is hoping to benefit from the irrelevant and out of context arguments that are being made

zero loss is maliciously, and methodically setting the narrative so that the discussion can be taken forward in off shore think tanks and other international fora, claiming that the Modi controlled judges deliberately ensured that a free and fair hearing on art 370 and the legal status of cashmere was not possible.

zero loss's arguments are beyond venomous, and he seeks to give a global voice to anti India agents paid for by the BIF

zero loss will immediately be touted as a famous and fearless legal luminary whose profound knowledge of the law cannot ever be be doubted and hence his arguments were all valid and the jihadis in cashmere were defrauded of their land, human rights, and freedom, and a legal genocide was committed by a known expansionist and hegemonic Hindu state.

They will portray that the it is the illegal Indian state, which is merely a union of states, the very same states, which were all coerced to come together to join an illegal union which has muddied the legal waters and is using smoke and mirrors, to pull wool over everyone's eyes.

pappu could not have come up with the "union of states" arguments, all by himself, so who has shoved that idea into his bone head..... and some elected dravidiya DMK minister has very recently said "India" does not exist in the south (see Quote)

So who knew in advance that this case would come up at this time in the court....(4 long years down the line) and isn't it too much of a coincidence that this very timely idee fixe of the "union of states" was brought into play.

BTW, no one in the mafia famiglia has ever called India a "union of states", so why did this little dried out and rotting little twig from the mafia famiglia tree make this play

and the only support this "union of states" idea has received is from the separatist naxals and the dravidiyas, both of whom rely very heavily on the BIF for funds and other "support", and now the paki sponsored cashmeri jihadis will enter this "union of states" arena to buttress their arguments, including the very points raised by uncle zero in the court

A well planned attention diversion plan, Tamil Nadu Public Works Minister EV Velu denouncing India and calling it “some place in North India”. The viral video was shared on social media by Tamil Nadu BJP president K Annamalai on August 7, exposing the minister’s divisive remarks.......

In the video, DMK Minister EV Velu can be heard saying, “What is the state today? The word India never had any impact on us. When has India had an impact on us? I’m making an open statement. There wasn’t any such impact on us. I’m talking about some time ago. Where did we have an impact? There was no impact. India is someplace in North India. We belong to Tamil Nadu. If possible, we have to create a Dravida Nadu. Our thought process was going in that direction.”

https://organiser.org/2023/08/10/189093 ... es-at-him/

They have already defamed the Indian state as a mere union that has cunningly, craftily, and knavishly, defrauded the simple, peaceful, and hapless, (and very very greedy) jihadis of cashmere

zero is being wilfully aided and abetted by the usual suspects who have a vested interest in ensuring that such a false and malicious narrative is given wide currency, especially on the international stage. The pakis will never accept the verdict of the Indian courts

This draconian drama does not pass the smell test, in that, it is being widely publicized by the presstitute media on a daily basis giving undue publicity to zero loss while he makes his patently stupid and simpleton arguments to build a specific narrative.

[sanman]

[Cyrano]

What high profile lawyers we have ! LoL !!

[vijayk]

I was reading argumnts of Mr. Dave ... How terrible are these scums?

Are we going to hear any counter arguments from Govt. side? I haven't see anything till now

[venkat_kv]

Another set of news from J&K,
Terror/ist sympathizer and J&K Bank chief Manager Sajad Ahmed Bazaz citing threat to security of the state.
He is said to have been planted by ISI in 1990 in the bank and his employment to the higher post itself raises questions. He was initially a clerk cum cashier in the bank and then in 2003 end an editor post was created where it was specified for cashier/clerk. The written test rule was waived and after interviewing 4 employees he was selected from the four.

This fellow was also penning columns in local papers under the pen name "Sajad Ahmed" and was full of sympathy for the terrorists and espousing Pakistani points that India need to talk to Pakistan and there has to be an UN intervention. He has recently called for US intervention in Kashmir also.

He has also raised the bogey of a million billion Indian army men in Kashmir and committing human right abuses. One of the tactic he has used often is to cite an unnamed grave and write about a mass burial there without any proof. His tripe was published under the "Whats up" and "off the record" headline.

He has used his position as the editor of the J&K bank to give advertisement money to certain newspapers and propagate his/pakistani agenda. He is said to have operated about 68 bank accounts in the said bank.

https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/jk-bank- ... ror-asset/
https://www.opindia.com/2023/08/jammu-k ... acked-isi/

[Aditya_V]

All this to me looks like to keep India weak, some elite politicos click, their supporting network, from beauracts to media, military men are in bed with Pakis and other foreign powers. The ecosystem is well linked

[ramana]

The abrogation of Art 370 is the will of the legislative branch to legislate in all parts of the Union of India
secondly by all measures except eh deluded Abdullas and Muftis life has improved for average Kashmiris: terrorism is down, economic activity is up, and tourism is up.

I would like to see which court will rule it otherwise.
Bastille Day will be a picnic compared.

[Pratyush]

The questions the judges are asking show that they are not satisfied with the arguments being presented by the opponents of the abrogation of the articles.

[Yagnasri]

The problem with the lawyers appearing for BIF only argued that it can not be done after the so-called constitutional assembly of J&K is no longer there so 370 is permanent in nature. But not much on the process etc under which 370 was made ineffective. They could have tried for some argument along those lines. Major mistake.

[bala]

Jamnu Kashmir Reality Check.. Kashmir and Bharat, What can we expect going forward in Jammu Kashmir?
Col Ajay Raina discusses the pros and cons. Gilgit/Baltistan were originally Buddhist, then became orthodox Shia.

[sanman]

[sanman]

Supreme Court doesn't believe in Article 3 of Indian Constitution anymore??

Parliament has the power to create new states or union territories. Why doesn't the Supreme Court accept this?

[sanman]

So I still want to raise this issue of the Supreme Court's argument for "restoring statehood to J&K", which I find to be a pack of rubbish.

Let's just take the name out of it for a moment: Suppose you have a state called Alpha, and it's spit into 2 new union territories called Beta and Gamma. So what makes Beta or Gamma the equivalent of Alpha, and somehow deserving the status that Alpha had? And what would make Beta be any more or less deserving than Gamma of this status Alpha previously had?

So, in other words, why is it that the new union territory of J&K is somehow automatically equivalent to the old state of J&K? It is not. The new J&K has neither the same identical population as the old J&K nor the same identical territory. The new J&K is not the same as the old J&K, and therefore does not automatically deserve the same status. Otherwise, by SC's logic, then why shouldn't Ladakh also equally deserve to be "restored to statehood"? Are we saying that the name "Jammu&Kashmir" is what particularly gives that current union territory the special right to have the same status as the previously existing state of J&K? Why would Ladakh have any less right to that same statehood? Why the hell is Supreme Court dumb enough to not even consider that in their babbling reply? Mediocre minds on that Supreme Court, to be sure.

Sometimes I even think that all border states should be converted to Union Territories, to avoid the kinds of troubles that invariably emerge from local politics, and which end up endangering national survival.

[hgupta]

Supreme Court needs to be taken down a peg.

[g.sarkar]

Soul Searching Trip to Mystical Sharda Peeth at LOC in Teethwal Karnah
Yana Mir

Please read the comments.
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Gautam

[krithivas]

An Army colonel, a major and a deputy superintendent were killed by Islamic terrorists in J&K UT

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 639988.cms

[g.sarkar]

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/jk-a ... 230913.htm
2 Army officers, jawan and Dy SP killed in J-K gunfight, soldier missing
Hemant Waje, September 13, 2023
An Army colonel commanding a battalion, a major and a Jammu and Kashmir deputy superintendent of police were killed in a gunfight with terrorists in the higher reaches of Kokorenag area in the valley while one soldier was missing, officials said on Wednesday.
Colonel Manpreet Singh, commanding officer of 19 Rashtriya Rifles, Major Ashish Dhonack, and Deputy Superintendent Humayun Bhat were critically injured in the gunfight with terrorists that ensued in the Garol area of Anantnag district in the morning hours of Wednesday.
The officers succumbed to their injuries during the treatment, the officials said, adding that the jawan also died.
The whereabouts of the other soldier was not immediately known and it is feared that he might have been seriously wounded.
Bhat, father of a two-month-old daughter and son of retired inspector general of Jammu and Kashmir police Ghulam Hasan Bhat, died due to heavy blood loss, they added.
The banned Resistance Front, believed to be a shadow group of Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Tayiba, has claimed responsibility for the attack.
Officials believe that it is the same set of terrorists who had carried out the attack on army personnel on August 4 killing three jawans in the higher reaches of the Halan forest area of Kulgam district.
The operation against the terrorists began on Tuesday evening in Garol area but was called off during the night.
This morning, the hunt for the terrorists resumed after information started trickling that they were spotted at a hideout, the officials said.
Colonel Singh, leading his team from the front, attacked the terrorists. However, he was critically injured in the bullets fired by the terrorists.
Singh, who belonged to 12th Sikh LI, was a recipient of Sena medal. Dhonack belonged to 15th Sikh LI.
Dhonack and Bhat were also hit by bullets, resulting in critical injuries, the officials said.
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Gautam

[madhu]

Soul Searching Trip to Mystical Sharda Peeth at LOC in Teethwal Karnah
Yana Mir
Please read the comments.
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Gautam

Most of the videos by Yana is good. Always India oriented. Initially for education or job she was in Bombay where she realized that she has to go back to J&K and change the perception of Indians towards J&K. Last video she had posted was close to border where army has hoisted largest flag. in the video she made kids to sing national anthem. she always make sure to show good side of Kashmir.

But my view when I was toured Kashmir was a bit different. people no doubt are welcoming, but they always wish to be a separate country. Almost every one told me "what can we do joining Pakistan, they themself are begging". i use to tease them saying that Kasmiris are biggest fan of Modi coz everyone for every item starts with 2000 rs note....

With the help of a locality I went to old town. Other than main road where most of the traffic moves, if we step just a road after, we see Graffitee scolding India, army, Hindus. Since my wife and kids were there we did not go further took few photos of them but most of the people started staring us. we left the place without further probing.

my wife's friend had come in jeans with a big long Iyer style kunkm on forehead and we were standing and taking photos clearly any one can make out we not localities. when we went back and sat in the car, two boys (may be 18 to 20 yrs) on byke came close intentionally spit on us and drew fast.

Even the locality who was helping me to plan and go around the city, his uncle's wife is a brahmin from Andhra Pradesh grown in bangle where she fell in love and converted to Islam and moved to Kashmir. Her language was also anti-India and hate towards Hindus. Though very settle but we can make out.

The boathouse women told all her relatives are in Australia and she is in Kashmir just to take care of property. She was more pro-Australia then India.

[R Charan]

Why Pakistan-backed The Resistance Front has become biggest headache of security forces in Kashmir


The Resistance Front (TRF) was formed online after the abrogation of Article 370 in 2019. A front for the Lashkar-e-Taiba, TRF has become the most active outfit in the Kashmir valley and has the support of the Pakistani state machinery. Wednesday’s Anantnag gunfight is just another example.

The Resistance Front (TRF) came into existence in 2019 and was banned under the stringent UAPA by India only this year

On February 26, Sanjay Sharma was headed for the local market in Kashmir’s Pulwama with his wife when terrorists fired at him. Sharma, who worked as a security guard, was rushed to hospital but succumbed to the bullet injuries. The terrorists behind Sharma’s killing belonged to The Resistance Front (TRF).

The only reason TRF chose to kill Sharma was because he was a Kashmiri Pandit.

https://www.defencenews.in/2023/09/why- ... n-kashmir/

[chetak]

This ought to light some fires under the jihadi butts for more than one reason, and the cheen don't have any reasons to rejoice either


UAE Deputy PM Saif bin Zayed posts India pic with full J&K in map. This move has brought embarrassment for Pakistan.