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Article 370 Judgement Reaction by Media, Liberals, Pakistan, Panchmakkars. Jaipur Dialogues with Vijay Sardana, Vibhuti Jha and Sanjay Dixit.



// all the britshit shenanigans are disappearing under Modi Raj. Kashmore is no more, since it is now squarely part of Bharat. Where in the world would you see muslims (J&K Barelvis) singing in their masjids.
// next in line is Gilgit Baltistan and Baluchistan, Sindh to join Bharat and return to Sanatan Dharma.

An actual J&K resident talks about abrogation of 370 and upheld in SC. Col Ajay Raina. Jammu is celebrating and Ladakh is indeed very happy. Kashmir people are very intelligent and know the benefits of free unfettered life with Bharat which is on the rise (they notice the shambles next door).

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disha wrote: 11 Dec 2023 23:24 Cashmeres have to behave before they get their own state.
It is not the Kashmiris as such, it is the Abdullahs and Muftis, and their hangers-on.
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srin wrote: 11 Dec 2023 11:55 The restoration of statehood is a sour note. I think a Delhi style statehood would ensure that law and order apparatus within state isn't subverted by jihadi loving politicians
This should not be a major problem. Because there are provisions like Article 356 which can be used on a state government to behave themselves. With J&K becoming a state, minus Ladakh - the Jehadis will not be able to try their tricks in the Buddhist areas. J&K police would be restricted to policing only Jammu and the Kashmir valley. And all agencies under GoI can now operate in full swing in J&K territory.

What needs to be seen is the distribution of the MLA constituencies in the J&K state once it is formed. In the olden days, the valley Jehadis had the maximum number of MLAs.
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A_Gupta wrote: 12 Dec 2023 01:45
disha wrote: 11 Dec 2023 23:24 Cashmeres have to behave before they get their own state.
It is not the Kashmiris as such, it is the Abdullahs and Muftis, and their hangers-on.
There is a distinction between Cashmeres and Kashmiris. The ordinary gujjar folk for example, who are peaceful and carry on with their own lives without any virus of Jehad etc are Kashmiris. Cashmeres are the assorted gangs and their leaders like Abdullahs and Muftis, their pawns like the stone pelters, the hijabi's like duktharan-e-millat and their 72 male-hoors in colleges like NITs or Cashmere Univ. or their supporters across the world like Arfas and DMKs and all the strange bedfellows from marxist JNUs to Katari pimps. They are merely using Indians as canon fodder for their own private agendas driven by Cash.

So yes, until Cashmeres behave, there is no point in giving statehood to Kashmir.
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Sachin wrote: 12 Dec 2023 10:50
What needs to be seen is the distribution of the MLA constituencies in the J&K state once it is formed. In the olden days, the valley Jehadis had the maximum number of MLAs.
That is why, separate Jammu as a state and the erstwhile areas of PoK viz the arc from Poonch-Rawalkot-Bhurban-Naushera can be part of Jammu State and the Neelam Valley will be part of the Cashmere UT. Gilgit-Skardu will be part of Ladakh UT. POK integration starts from Gilgit-Skardu, then Neelam Valley and then the "upper mirpur", the rest can be had by the moth-eaten state of bakistan. Once Balochistand and Sindh separate, the rump of Bakistan can fend for itself against Afghanistan. The "lower mirpuris" can go and provide them with 72 houris.

Landlocking the valley jehadis for 2-3 generation is the only option. And hopefully the pandemic of Jehad is contained by that time.
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I'm expecting trouble from CCP/PLA on the Himalayan borders. Last time 370 was repealed, they started mobilising and Galwan happened few months later. They think our SC is as pliable to power as their systems are. They will feel G219 and Sakshgam are next targets of GoI. Only this time we are more than prepared.

If such stuff happens, unkil will let it playout hoping it will only push India more into US "arms".
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Cyrano wrote: 12 Dec 2023 14:29 I'm expecting trouble from CCP/PLA on the Himalayan borders. Last time 370 was repealed, they started mobilising and Galwan happened few months later. They think our SC is as pliable to power as their systems are. They will feel G219 and Sakshgam are next targets of GoI. Only this time we are more than prepared.

If such stuff happens, unkil will let it playout hoping it will only push India more into US "arms".
That is possible, but not in the short term. It is winter now and the PLA will find it difficult to conduct any major troop movements. Also, Taiwan's elections are in Jan. The party predicted to win is anti China and if they make noises about independence, China may have to intervene.
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A hit piece in France24/AFP, courtesy Mukhtar Khan, Indian photo journalist.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi ... s-autonomy

This is meltdown or frustration or hatred or all of these...
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^^^Good stuff. If possible, our EAM should also pen similar articles in international press debunking the narrative prevalent in the western media (the FP link I posted above is a good ex). He has done it in many interviews in the past, but more is needed to counter this age old anti-Bharat propaganda.
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Slain J&K terrorists buried at encounter sites now: Amit Shah
NEW DELHI: As part of its "zero terror" plan for Jammu & Kashmir, service rules in the UT have been changed to ensure the dismissal of a government employee if anyone from his family is found involved in terror activities.
Stating this, home minister Amit Shah said the rule applies to those whose relatives may be promoting terror while based in Pakistan, adding that the administration has been using denial of passports and debarment from government jobs and contracts as means to curb terror.
Speaking after SC endorsed Modi government's decision to scrap J&K's special status on Monday, Shah made it clear that the government's hardline approach towards terror, which involves "area domination" by armed forces, was working, with its success best manifested by the dramatic drop in cases of stone-pelting after the application of President's rule.
"I want to state that for reasons of security, we have taken stern measures. Before 2014, you could see crowds joining the funeral processions of slain terrorists. Have you seen any such thing happening after the removal of Article 370? This has happened because we have decided that terrorists (who get killed in encounters) will be buried at the same place in full accordance with religious rituals," Shah said.
While the quiet burial of terrorists, aimed at preventing graves from being turned into objects of veneration and rallying point for hardliners, has been going on for some time, what stood out was the forthrightness with which Shah disclosed it to be a policy decision. "Why do you think this happened? We put out ads saying that those with even a single case of stone-pelting registered against them will not be considered for public employment," he added.
While Shah listed in details measures taken by the government post scrapping of special status, he dismissed counsel from the opposition benches to show sensitivity. "We are sensitive towards youth but our concept of being sensitive stops at that. I am sorry but we can never be sensitive towards terrorists."
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I think this YT is a good overview of Article 370, its prior history and legalize by J. Sai Deepak, a constitutional lawyer who works in Supreme Court of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAH07nQxiE

Summary:
On Sept 17, 1956 J&Kashmir Constitution was created and 370 was a bridge until then. The moment the constitution was created 370 is gone. J&K is Bound by Article 1 and 2 and Instrument of succession. There is no scope for succession of J&K.

J. Sai Deepak says that in the 1971 war settlement, when India has 90K+ Puki soldiers, India should have settled J&K thoroughly, asking Pukis to leave the occupied areas. I agree.

BTW China is in violation of UN resolution passed in 1948 by occupying Shakshgam valley since both India and Pukis agreed with the resolution. Furthermore the Pukis are required to vacate all occupied areas of J&K.
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Is this a recent lecture or a re upload? Seems that it was delivered a few years ago...

Given the repeal of 370 and 35A, and the recent SC judgement upholding it, the Constituion of J&K ceases to exist ie becomes null and void - doesn't it?
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bala wrote: 15 Dec 2023 01:52 I think this YT is a good overview of Article 370, its prior history and legalize by J. Sai Deepak, a constitutional lawyer who works in Supreme Court of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAH07nQxiE

Summary:
On Sept 17, 1956 J&Kashmir Constitution was created and 370 was a bridge until then. The moment the constitution was created 370 is gone. J&K is Bound by Article 1 and 2 and Instrument of succession. There is no scope for succession of J&K.

J. Sai Deepak says that in the 1971 war settlement, when India has 90K+ Puki soldiers, India should have settled J&K thoroughly, asking Pukis to leave the occupied areas. I agree.

BTW China is in violation of UN resolution passed in 1948 by occupying Shakshgam valley since both India and Pukis agreed with the resolution. Furthermore the Pukis are required to vacate all occupied areas of J&K.

bala saar,

we should have also sorted out the vital chicken neck issue and taken some considerable area of beedi land to widen the chicken neck area, either on long lease (long lease 999 years) or even outright purchase


we seem to have missed the bus there.


the Indian leadership was clueless, both at shimla, and the vison for negotiating a geopolitical agreements with the beedis that would have been advantageous to us

now, on the backfoot, we have reached a state of open appeasement with these jokers
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chetak wrote: 15 Dec 2023 23:19 we should have also sorted out the vital chicken neck issue and taken some considerable area of beedi land to widen the chicken neck area, either on long lease (long lease 999 years) or even outright purchase

we seem to have missed the bus there.

the Indian leadership was clueless, both at shimla, and the vison for negotiating a geopolitical agreements with the beedis that would have been advantageous to us

now, on the backfoot, we have reached a state of open appeasement with these jokers
Chetak saar, I would go one step further on BD besides the chicken neck area. India should have kept Chittagong port for the Indian Navy. BD should have been made an Indian protectorate i.e. they can be independent but no military for them, just a police would suffice. Why do they need military, India is not going to attack them, they have no immediate neighbor that can threaten them. India also should have insisted on free right of way through the nation, with no hindrance of any kind.

The above model can be used for breakaway parts of Pukes - Sindh, Baluchistan, NWFP, etc. India provides defence of their regions (for a fee) but they govern themselves. Anybody who threatens them militarily has to deal with India, so they will back off. India also gets free right of way through the nation states, with no hindrance of any kind.
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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/iaf-warr ... -involved/

IAF Warrior martyred in Poonch terror attack, 5 injured; 3 terrorists involved
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terrorists ambushed a convoy of the Indian Army Force (IAF) at Bakrabal Mohalla near Sanai in Surankote tehsil of Poonch district this evening in which an IAF Warrior was martyred while five other soldiers were injured.
The attack resembled to December 21, 2023 ambush by the terrorists at Dera Ki Gali in Bufliaz area of Surankote in which four Army soldiers were martyred while three civilians were later killed under mysterious circumstances.

Reports said the terrorists, whose exact number couldn’t be ascertained immediately but it was believed to be three, had taken positions atop a hill and rained bullets on the IAF convoy when it reached Bakrabal Mohalla near Sanai in Surankote tehsil, which was almost isolated area, around 6.15 pm today.
Alert troops fired back and engaged the terrorists in gun battle but they managed to escape towards mountainous area.
Six IAF personnel sustained injuries in the attack, one of whom later attained martyrdom.
The martyr has been identified as Vicky Pahade and the injured as Basit, BL Singh, AK Mishra, Sham Lal and Dabhi SH.
“Five IAF personnel received bullet injuries and were evacuated to the nearest military hospital for immediate medical attention. One Air Warrior succumbed to his injuries later. Further operations are on by the local security forces,” a Defence spokesperson said in a post on X tonight.
The convoy was reportedly on way to Shastar from Jaran Wali.
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https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/j-k/t ... ics-618343

Terrorists using steel bullets to ambush forces in Jammu and Kashmir, taking to ‘hit-&-run’ tactics
18 persons killed so far this year

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May 4, 2024: 1 IAF man killed in ambush in Surankote, Poonch

Dec 21, 2023: Four soldiers killed by terrorists in Surankote

Nov 22-23: Two officers among 5 killed in Kalakote encounter

Sept 13: One soldier killed in encounter in Rajouri’s Narla area

May 5: 5 Army commandos killed in IED blast in Rajouri’s Kandi

April 20: 5 soldiers killed in ambush at Bhatta Dhurian, Poonch

Lethal ammo


Security forces concerned about steel bullets used by terrorists to ambush military vehicles
Such bullets made of hardened steel can pierce armoured vehicles and cause major damage
Even bulletproof vests become vulnerable if steel bullet fired from close range
Most of the ambushes on vehicles in both districts along the Line of Control (LoC) took place where the roads meander in deep forest areas. All attacks were coordinated and pre-planned with terrorists taking at least three different positions to attack military pre-planned with terrorists taking at least three different positions to attack military convoys. On Saturday, when an IAF convoy was on its way to Sanai Top in the Surankote area in Poonch, it came under heavy fire near the Shahsitar area. Five IAF men were injured in the attack, of whom one succumbed to his injuries.

Sources in the Army intelligence said in all recent attacks, the ultras were likely aware of the movement of military vehicles. “They spray steel-coated bullets on trucks, which makes it nearly impossible to escape unhurt. The terrorists are well trained in ambushes. They know the positions they have to take during the attack. Even in Saturday’s attack, bullets were fired from at least three different directions,” said a source.

The strategy of “hit and run” by terrorists where they open indiscriminate firing on military vehicles and escape into deep forest area before the reinforcements come has turned the attention of Army commanders towards this new technique. However, despite multiple ambushes in the past one year, the forces have not been able to devise a strategy to prevent these. The incidents have also raised questions on the security scenario in the region and failure of intelligence. After last year’s April 20 ambush near Bhimber Gali, five Army commandos lost their lives in the Rajouri’s Kandi area on May 5 when terrorists triggered an explosion as the soldiers reached near them.
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^^ Time to start doing the same thing in POK. Give them a taste of their own medicine
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sanjayc wrote: 06 May 2024 18:46 ^^ Time to start doing the same thing in POK. Give them a taste of their own medicine
That's not how it works. You have to obliterate them, AkhandBharat should not just be a slogan or a map. What and all ways are used to achieve it, is it through Salami slicing or any other means should come from the leadership. We have to go as far as it takes and demands. Until then we have to keep the small hopes alive of retaliation as you mentioned with the hands tied Gandhian ways.
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https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/pak-army-not-qabalis/

Pak Army, not qabalis, by Maj Gen G S Jamwal (Retd)
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The Government of that time, Nehru and Abdullah did not listen to us because their only aim at that time was Maharaja Hari Singh’s removal. We have also been saying that it were not the qabalis who raided Kashmir but Pak Army just as they did in Kargil war. But Pakistan told world and their own countrymen that it were mujahideen, and not Pak army which attacked India. Pakistan took the name of Mujahideen by meeting outside forces and talking to outside countries. Similarly in 1947, they took the name of Qabalis. Rather, we know that Mountbatten was left at the helm of affairs only for the reason that he would give Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan and for this, he colluded with then the Supreme Commander Auchinleck. They expected that more and more parts of Jammu and Kashmir go to Pakistan. If possible, at not the whole of Jammu and Kashmir, but at least the whole of Kashmir, Gilgit, Baltistan and Ladakh.
Maharaja Hari Singh and his Dogra soldiers did not allow all this to happen. The Dogra forces who fought under Brigadier Rajendra Singh, were in fact fighting in Jammu since August 15, from Kathua, Hiranagar to Poonch all this was the plan of the British and even if the Government of India knew, the British were sitting there to implement it. Similarly we still say that the attack carried out by Pakistan on Jammu and Kashmir is in our records. Our book “History of J&K Operations” by Ministry of Defence was released in June 1987, everything is written in it but it has never been circulated, no one knows it in the universities, even the people of Jammu do not know about this and I have written it in my book, ‘Valour and Betrayal’. But there are very few people who read; and as Malik Sahib has raised this very point, we should tell the whole public, the press and the world about it. Is similarly the British should tell the truth about the betrayal done to us in the 1947 war.
Brigadier Rajendra Singh and his 100 Dogra soldiers who saved Srinagar Airport and J&K are not mentioned anywhere. If Col Narayan Singh had not stopped them at Muzaffarabad on the 22nd, there was no one on the entire road from Muzaffarabad to Srinagar to stop them on that day.
By the time Pakistani Column reached Garhi on 23 Oct Brig Rajinder Singh and his 60 men under Capt Prithi Singh and Sub Dhuni Chand were ready to make Garhi Pakistanis Waterloo. Brig Rajinder Singh with 60 Dogra of J&K Infantry now known as JAK Rifles made it a world-class battle about which VP Menon wrote in his book ‘The Story of Integration of Indian States’ that it was not less than the Battles of Thermopylae in Greece in 480 BCE. They held them till 4 O’clock. The delay that Mountbatten imposed in sending the Army by one day resulted in ransacking of Baramulla. This was a conspiracy of the British against the Indian army by colluding with Pakistan and it is now coming out
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The guy that threatened India "Pakistan ne choodiyan nahi pehni hain" should be replied by declaring Gilgit and Baltistan as two new separate UTs of Indian republic under one Governor.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ma ... 7d1b&ei=17

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Massive protests broke out in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) on Friday over rising prices and unjust taxes even as the Pakistani administration tried to crush the protests by deploying additional troops of Pakistan Rangers and Frontier Corps.
Seventy activists have been detained by police to prevent a 'long march' announced by the Jammu Kashmir Joint Awami Action Committee, reported The Dawn.

The Committee had planned a general strike and transport strike on Friday to press the Pakistani government to comply with an agreement reached between the two in February this year.
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Post by wig » 10 May 2024 18:22

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ma ... 7d1b&ei=17

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Massive protests broke out in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) on Friday over rising prices and unjust taxes even as the Pakistani administration tried to crush the protests by deploying additional troops of Pakistan Rangers and Frontier Corps.
Seventy activists have been detained by police to prevent a 'long march' announced by the Jammu Kashmir Joint Awami Action Committee, reported The Dawn.

The Committee had planned a general strike and transport strike on Friday to press the Pakistani government to comply with an agreement reached between the two in February this year.
Here India should give Moral, Monitory and Political support to POK Kashmiris
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