J&K Union Territory-2019

[bala]

Article 370 Judgement Reaction by Media, Liberals, Pakistan, Panchmakkars. Jaipur Dialogues with Vijay Sardana, Vibhuti Jha and Sanjay Dixit.



// all the britshit shenanigans are disappearing under Modi Raj. Kashmore is no more, since it is now squarely part of Bharat. Where in the world would you see muslims (J&K Barelvis) singing in their masjids.
// next in line is Gilgit Baltistan and Baluchistan, Sindh to join Bharat and return to Sanatan Dharma.

An actual J&K resident talks about abrogation of 370 and upheld in SC. Col Ajay Raina. Jammu is celebrating and Ladakh is indeed very happy. Kashmir people are very intelligent and know the benefits of free unfettered life with Bharat which is on the rise (they notice the shambles next door).

[A_Gupta]

Cashmeres have to behave before they get their own state.

It is not the Kashmiris as such, it is the Abdullahs and Muftis, and their hangers-on.

[Sachin]

The restoration of statehood is a sour note. I think a Delhi style statehood would ensure that law and order apparatus within state isn't subverted by jihadi loving politicians

This should not be a major problem. Because there are provisions like Article 356 which can be used on a state government to behave themselves. With J&K becoming a state, minus Ladakh - the Jehadis will not be able to try their tricks in the Buddhist areas. J&K police would be restricted to policing only Jammu and the Kashmir valley. And all agencies under GoI can now operate in full swing in J&K territory.

What needs to be seen is the distribution of the MLA constituencies in the J&K state once it is formed. In the olden days, the valley Jehadis had the maximum number of MLAs.

[disha]

Cashmeres have to behave before they get their own state.

It is not the Kashmiris as such, it is the Abdullahs and Muftis, and their hangers-on.

There is a distinction between Cashmeres and Kashmiris. The ordinary gujjar folk for example, who are peaceful and carry on with their own lives without any virus of Jehad etc are Kashmiris. Cashmeres are the assorted gangs and their leaders like Abdullahs and Muftis, their pawns like the stone pelters, the hijabi's like duktharan-e-millat and their 72 male-hoors in colleges like NITs or Cashmere Univ. or their supporters across the world like Arfas and DMKs and all the strange bedfellows from marxist JNUs to Katari pimps. They are merely using Indians as canon fodder for their own private agendas driven by Cash.

So yes, until Cashmeres behave, there is no point in giving statehood to Kashmir.

[disha]

What needs to be seen is the distribution of the MLA constituencies in the J&K state once it is formed. In the olden days, the valley Jehadis had the maximum number of MLAs.

That is why, separate Jammu as a state and the erstwhile areas of PoK viz the arc from Poonch-Rawalkot-Bhurban-Naushera can be part of Jammu State and the Neelam Valley will be part of the Cashmere UT. Gilgit-Skardu will be part of Ladakh UT. POK integration starts from Gilgit-Skardu, then Neelam Valley and then the "upper mirpur", the rest can be had by the moth-eaten state of bakistan. Once Balochistand and Sindh separate, the rump of Bakistan can fend for itself against Afghanistan. The "lower mirpuris" can go and provide them with 72 houris.

Landlocking the valley jehadis for 2-3 generation is the only option. And hopefully the pandemic of Jehad is contained by that time.

[Cyrano]

I'm expecting trouble from CCP/PLA on the Himalayan borders. Last time 370 was repealed, they started mobilising and Galwan happened few months later. They think our SC is as pliable to power as their systems are. They will feel G219 and Sakshgam are next targets of GoI. Only this time we are more than prepared.

If such stuff happens, unkil will let it playout hoping it will only push India more into US "arms".

[Deans]

I'm expecting trouble from CCP/PLA on the Himalayan borders. Last time 370 was repealed, they started mobilising and Galwan happened few months later. They think our SC is as pliable to power as their systems are. They will feel G219 and Sakshgam are next targets of GoI. Only this time we are more than prepared.

If such stuff happens, unkil will let it playout hoping it will only push India more into US "arms".

That is possible, but not in the short term. It is winter now and the PLA will find it difficult to conduct any major troop movements. Also, Taiwan's elections are in Jan. The party predicted to win is anti China and if they make noises about independence, China may have to intervene.

[Cyrano]

A hit piece in France24/AFP, courtesy Mukhtar Khan, Indian photo journalist.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacifi ... s-autonomy

This is meltdown or frustration or hatred or all of these...

[vijayk]

https://indianexpress.com/article/opini ... r-9064035/

[Cyrano]

^^^Good stuff. If possible, our EAM should also pen similar articles in international press debunking the narrative prevalent in the western media (the FP link I posted above is a good ex). He has done it in many interviews in the past, but more is needed to counter this age old anti-Bharat propaganda.

[Ashokk]

Slain J&K terrorists buried at encounter sites now: Amit Shah

NEW DELHI: As part of its "zero terror" plan for Jammu & Kashmir, service rules in the UT have been changed to ensure the dismissal of a government employee if anyone from his family is found involved in terror activities.
Stating this, home minister Amit Shah said the rule applies to those whose relatives may be promoting terror while based in Pakistan, adding that the administration has been using denial of passports and debarment from government jobs and contracts as means to curb terror.
Speaking after SC endorsed Modi government's decision to scrap J&K's special status on Monday, Shah made it clear that the government's hardline approach towards terror, which involves "area domination" by armed forces, was working, with its success best manifested by the dramatic drop in cases of stone-pelting after the application of President's rule.
"I want to state that for reasons of security, we have taken stern measures. Before 2014, you could see crowds joining the funeral processions of slain terrorists. Have you seen any such thing happening after the removal of Article 370? This has happened because we have decided that terrorists (who get killed in encounters) will be buried at the same place in full accordance with religious rituals," Shah said.
While the quiet burial of terrorists, aimed at preventing graves from being turned into objects of veneration and rallying point for hardliners, has been going on for some time, what stood out was the forthrightness with which Shah disclosed it to be a policy decision. "Why do you think this happened? We put out ads saying that those with even a single case of stone-pelting registered against them will not be considered for public employment," he added.
While Shah listed in details measures taken by the government post scrapping of special status, he dismissed counsel from the opposition benches to show sensitivity. "We are sensitive towards youth but our concept of being sensitive stops at that. I am sorry but we can never be sensitive towards terrorists."

[bala]

I think this YT is a good overview of Article 370, its prior history and legalize by J. Sai Deepak, a constitutional lawyer who works in Supreme Court of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAH07nQxiE

Summary:
On Sept 17, 1956 J&Kashmir Constitution was created and 370 was a bridge until then. The moment the constitution was created 370 is gone. J&K is Bound by Article 1 and 2 and Instrument of succession. There is no scope for succession of J&K.

J. Sai Deepak says that in the 1971 war settlement, when India has 90K+ Puki soldiers, India should have settled J&K thoroughly, asking Pukis to leave the occupied areas. I agree.

BTW China is in violation of UN resolution passed in 1948 by occupying Shakshgam valley since both India and Pukis agreed with the resolution. Furthermore the Pukis are required to vacate all occupied areas of J&K.

[Cyrano]

Is this a recent lecture or a re upload? Seems that it was delivered a few years ago...

Given the repeal of 370 and 35A, and the recent SC judgement upholding it, the Constituion of J&K ceases to exist ie becomes null and void - doesn't it?

[chetak]

I think this YT is a good overview of Article 370, its prior history and legalize by J. Sai Deepak, a constitutional lawyer who works in Supreme Court of India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqAH07nQxiE

Summary:
On Sept 17, 1956 J&Kashmir Constitution was created and 370 was a bridge until then. The moment the constitution was created 370 is gone. J&K is Bound by Article 1 and 2 and Instrument of succession. There is no scope for succession of J&K.

J. Sai Deepak says that in the 1971 war settlement, when India has 90K+ Puki soldiers, India should have settled J&K thoroughly, asking Pukis to leave the occupied areas. I agree.

BTW China is in violation of UN resolution passed in 1948 by occupying Shakshgam valley since both India and Pukis agreed with the resolution. Furthermore the Pukis are required to vacate all occupied areas of J&K.

bala saar,

we should have also sorted out the vital chicken neck issue and taken some considerable area of beedi land to widen the chicken neck area, either on long lease (long lease 999 years) or even outright purchase


we seem to have missed the bus there.


the Indian leadership was clueless, both at shimla, and the vison for negotiating a geopolitical agreements with the beedis that would have been advantageous to us

now, on the backfoot, we have reached a state of open appeasement with these jokers

[bala]

we should have also sorted out the vital chicken neck issue and taken some considerable area of beedi land to widen the chicken neck area, either on long lease (long lease 999 years) or even outright purchase

we seem to have missed the bus there.

the Indian leadership was clueless, both at shimla, and the vison for negotiating a geopolitical agreements with the beedis that would have been advantageous to us

now, on the backfoot, we have reached a state of open appeasement with these jokers

Chetak saar, I would go one step further on BD besides the chicken neck area. India should have kept Chittagong port for the Indian Navy. BD should have been made an Indian protectorate i.e. they can be independent but no military for them, just a police would suffice. Why do they need military, India is not going to attack them, they have no immediate neighbor that can threaten them. India also should have insisted on free right of way through the nation, with no hindrance of any kind.

The above model can be used for breakaway parts of Pukes - Sindh, Baluchistan, NWFP, etc. India provides defence of their regions (for a fee) but they govern themselves. Anybody who threatens them militarily has to deal with India, so they will back off. India also gets free right of way through the nation states, with no hindrance of any kind.