Re: J&K Union Territory-2019
Posted: 20 Aug 2019 04:58
Maharaja Ranjit Singh, after the Dogra general Zorawar Singh's conquest, is said to have wanted reconversion of KM but the KP were against the idea.
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Sweden? - They must have a death wish in reference to their Gripen for our MRCA program.Rony wrote:Remember these anti-Indian countries who supported Pakis
China
UK
Turkey
Malaysia
Bosnia
Sweden
yep. Jinnah's ancestors were rejected by Kashmiri punditssanjaykumar wrote:Maharaja Ranjit Singh, after the Dogra general Zorawar Singh's conquest, is said to have wanted reconversion of KM but the KP were against the idea.
Nothing to do with Djinna though the stories are not dissimilar. Djinna's grandfather was booted out of the Thakkar clan in Gujarat after he started a fishing business; he was a reluctant convert. KPs as a group were never good news - KMs (whether under Maharaja Ranjit Singh's advice or otherwise) wanted to ghar wapsi but this was rejected by KPs. KPs also were opposed to joining India back in 1947, or giving rights to partition migrants from Punjab.vijayk wrote:yep. Jinnah's ancestors were rejected by Kashmiri punditssanjaykumar wrote:Maharaja Ranjit Singh, after the Dogra general Zorawar Singh's conquest, is said to have wanted reconversion of KM but the KP were against the idea.
It's ok. Their guns are giving us what we need at the LoC these days. Malaysia is ok with us, only Mahathir has a huge chip on his shoulder being from Indian parentage. Bosnia is immaterial. China and UK are predictable. Latest news is that China's gambit is to deflate our claims for a permanent UNSC membership and shouldn't be viewed in the limited context of Kashmir/Ladakh/Aksai Chin.Luxtor wrote:Sweden? - They must have a death wish in reference to their Gripen for our MRCA program.Rony wrote:Remember these anti-Indian countries who supported Pakis
China
UK
Turkey
Malaysia
Bosnia
Sweden
Gulf States Shrug as India Seizes Kashmir
New Delhi is a major trading partner and powerful friend in a dangerous region.
Mangolian saar, Prof. Suvir Kaul's name always goes with Prof. Ania Loomba's - both at UPenn after a stint at UIUC. The former got a $3000 award as the foremost authority on Shakespear. That is the only award he got. He was supposed to be coming out with the bheshtesht book on sheikhu peeru. I am still waiting for that tome to appear in print or even as an eBook.UlanBatori wrote:I have a feeling that types such as Suvir Kaul represent the true ass of the KP. Evil 6th coujin thrice removed, reports extreme temptation to launch missiles.
This is why unlike ABVP, modi's reluctance to put someone serious at mhrd is a strategic mistake. First was Irani. Then Javdekar (I mean ) ABVP had MM Joshi. Compare & contrast - 5 marks.UlanBatori wrote:The rot is very deep. Even smart desi ishtudantz have been totally brainwashed by INC propaganda. Demo was imposed in a hurry to make 1000-rupee notes disappear because NaMo's name appeared in black money found in home of Sahara boss. Go-hatya cases are all bogus, cooked up by arr-ess-ess. Pragvi is a self-declared bomber. J&K actions are illegal, crooked, done only to create trouble where before (2013, come 2 think of it) it was totally safe for yindoos to travel. Paki Jarnails and yindootva share common objective of stirring up trouble onlee. Amith Shah has murder cases pending against him.
This is the deep-running narrative. And these are very smart people. According to them, Indian democracy is the butt of contempt now. Trampled underfoot.
(s)laughter of Democracy But seriously, Bee Jay Pee has its work cut out if the Other Side is THIS effective with their propagandoos.
Before the next elections, the powers that be will make sure that much dirt is raked up about most of the politically active local families and their shady doings for decades including the acquisition of huge properties when they have no visible means of support/can not show the source of their ill gotten wealth.Yagnasri wrote:After almost 2 weeks, other than BIF and their but boys (and girls) of MSM there is no one else has supported the 370 provision. Even those MSM entities which have take some hard opposition to NM on this now started publishing supporting articles. As per some reports new and young politicos of J&K realised that there is no going back and it would be better to join regularly political ideas of the nation and take part in elections.
In the next elections, PDP and NC will be in a catch 22 situation. If they take part then it amounts to support the removal of 370 etc, if they dont take part some one else including people form their own party may take part and get power and they will be sidelined forever. No slogans like special status etc etc is going to be heard by people as almost every one knows there is a rats ass that is going to happen.
BJP is going to have a good number of votes and seats. After delimitation and regular residents becoming voters will result in 100% polling in favor BJP. PDP or NC can not promise anything. They can not take part in the elections or have to accept voting rights to people. Lot of fun.
LONDON: The UK did not back China or Pakistan at the closed-door United Nations Security Council (UNSC) meeting about Kashmir on Friday, British diplomatic sources have revealed.
Senior UK diplomatic sources told TOI on Monday: “I can confirm we did not take sides in the debate and did not side with China against India. As you know, our longstanding position is that it is for India and Pakistan to find a lasting political solution on Kashmir. China called for the meeting. We had no involvement in calling for it. China wanted to say that unilateral action by India to revoke Article 370 was destabilising.”
Neither India nor Pakistan were present.
“There was no formal statement issued at the end of the meeting and no further action determined. This is the first time in 50 or 60 years that the UNSC has talked about Kashmir. The UK has always been of the view that Kashmir is a matter for Pakistan and India to resolve,” the source said.
Over the weekend several journalists in India said on social media that two countries at the meeting had asked for a public statement and China had circulated a draft statement critical of India. The journalists said China was supported by the UK and that India's biggest support came from France and the US. The UK foreign office has refused to comment on the UNSC meeting as it was held in private.
Indian twitterati went ballistic upon reading that the UK had backed Pakistan, with one tweeting: “Indian corporates should exit Britain and open offices in Europe.”
Another tweeted: “Has there been any recent noise about Ireland? How about Falklands? How about British overseas territories? Why is the permanent five members of the UNSC are China, France, the Russian Federation, the UK, and the US. it still holding on to it (sic). Time to ask these questions.”
“I request @FinMinIndia @CimGOI to not sign any FTA with UK (sic),” another wrote.
One Indian journalist tweeted: “One million Kashmiris in Britain. UK’s support for Pakistan in UNSC evidence of early elections in Britain?”
But UK diplomatic sources on Monday said: “We don’t know where this line came from that the UK backed a draft statement by China or backed China. It is not true. It must have come from one of the other members, as it did not come from the UK. There was no draft statement. There was talk of publishing a statement afterwards and the UK position was if there was an agreed position we will consider it, but there was no agreed position, so no statement to draft. It was just a debate.”
UK diplomatic sources said that France and the US had not backed New Delhi and instead had “taken a similar neutral position”. “China had backed Pakistan,” the source said. “China at the UN always tends to take Pakistan’s side.”
The source did not clarify what position Russia took. However, the first deputy permanent representative of Russia to the UN, Dmitry Polyanskiy, tweeted on Friday: “We hope that existing divergences around #Kashmir will be settled bilaterally by political and diplomatic means only.”
^Have hope. The muslims themselves will be absorbed into the Sanatana dharma eventually (next 50-75 years being instrumental). The days of oil money making arabs and by extension muslims a power to reckon with is passing faster than one could have imagined. The plans for rechargeable battery manufacturing in India alone puts this in perspective (with the likes of an otherwise tarrif-averse Elon Musk salivating at the possibility). The world (and the USA/China/India in particular) have decided to make oil irrelevant and the arabs with it. Being a resident of Kerala, I know that the main reason local muslims hold arabs and their intolerant creed in such high esteem is their affluence (and percieved sophistication, even if skin deep). Once they are reduced to penury that has been their fate for most of human history, having to rely on peddling mecca tourism, these very same muslims (with their maulavis not getting bakshish form gelf) will wonder where to cast their lot, with the rising and prosperous Bharatvarsh or the sinking stinkhole of strife and poverty that will be the middle-east. I know they will not be as stupid as their arab coreligionists, after all, if porkistan had been an arab nation, it would have been a nulcear wasteland by now.Vikas wrote:KP's are no different from rest of the Hindus when it comes to 'Never Forgive Never Forget'. They were happily living and smoking peace pipe when Sikh/Dogra rulers threw away the yoke of Islamic persecution but instead of securing themselves better future, They just continued to drift along the history till 1990 struck. We had Nehru and Indira and MK Dhar and many others ever after 1947 but look where it landed them.
There still are few jokers which I come across during weddings or other social occasions who still think that Islamists would not harm them once they go back and things will go back to being normal.
I too have heard the stories about KP's not allowing Ghar-Wapasi and I am willing to accept them though there are no official proofs. Sad but reality of life.
Anyways as per my back of the envelope calculations, KP community will get subsumed in next 50-75 years and then only Kashmiri we will have is mostly treacherous Sunni Muslims.
Event the Britshits have cried uncle, porkistan is looking evermore lonesome. Maybe they can be satisfied having some pork flied lice.Ashokk wrote:UK did not back Pak at UNSC: British diplomatic sourcesLONDON: The UK did not back China or Pakistan at the closed-door United Nations Security Council (UNSC) meeting about Kashmir on Friday, British diplomatic sources have revealed.......”
yensoy wrote:Nothing to do with Djinna though the stories are not dissimilar. Djinna's grandfather was booted out of the Thakkar clan in Gujarat after he started a fishing business; he was a reluctant convert. KPs as a group were never good news - KMs (whether under Maharaja Ranjit Singh's advice or otherwise) wanted to ghar wapsi but this was rejected by KPs. KPs also were opposed to joining India back in 1947, or giving rights to partition migrants from Punjab.vijayk wrote: yep. Jinnah's ancestors were rejected by Kashmiri pundits
Allama Iqbal was from a KP family. His father was caught pilfering from the treasury and was given two choices - convert or be imprisoned, his choice made history.
Yet, the KP stick is an easy one to beat Pakis with, so we will use it whenever we can.
Ever since Home Minister Amit Shah threw a massive surprise by introducing the “J&K Reorganisation Bill,” taking away the ‘special status’ of Jammu and Kashmir (J&K), bifurcating it into two Union Territories and abrogating Article 370, suddenly the curiosity meter of the world seems to be on high alert.
People who, until now, were clueless, unattached and least bothered about this draconian article, suddenly seem to have woken up from their deep slumber to issue sermons about how the government is wrong in snatching away the rights of the Kashmiri people. Mind it, their definition of J&K and Kashmiri people confines to the people of the valley. In a bid to express solidarity with the Kashmiris, all such people conveniently chose to ignore the fact that J&K comprises multiple ethnic groups including Kashmiri Pandits, who have been at the receiving end of the philosophies of ‘Kashmiriyat’ and ‘Jamuriyat.’
Article 370, the hot political topic is a perfect opportunity for such people to score brownie points. Now, India being the world’s democracy allows everyone to voice their thoughts. Alas! The freedom of speech and expression is often taken for granted and used as a tool to thwart the sincere efforts of the Government of India (GoI). Abrogation of Article 370 has been one bold move wherein the GoI unexpectedly checkmated its detractors. This move is a clear interpretation of the government’s intention and priority to infuse a new ray of peace, hope, and development in J&K, which finds a prominent place in the party manifesto.
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While the government is stepping up its efforts to revive J&K from the mayhem, some people are hell-bent on derailing these efforts. A total of 64-signatories including Kashmiri Pandits, Dogras and Sikhs have signed a petition calling out the government. It worries me because the media is projecting the ‘personal opinions’ of people like Air Vice Marshal (Retd) Kapil Kak, and cardiologist Dr Upendra Kaul as the voice of the community, which is not true. These people may have their own reasoning but the media should play a fair game and not misrepresent the facts to deceive the public.
This was just a fanatasy by opponents of Kashmiris.Maharaja Ranjit Singh could have tried converting PM's first. But did he or could he ?sanjaykumar wrote:Maharaja Ranjit Singh, after the Dogra general Zorawar Singh's conquest, is said to have wanted reconversion of KM but the KP were against the idea.
Salman Nizami @SalmanNizami_
Some stone pelters & separatists wre arrested. Thz is common in Kashmir whenevr thre is violence like situation. I hve confirmed from locals & journalists no such incident of Army torturing youth in open to terrorise the people. Kindly don't spread fake news for political gains!
To be frank as of today -and my only samples being from social media- the average Kerala Muslim is showing every sign of a Kashmiri Muslim. Sense of entitlement, a feeling that they (and also KL state) are a different species all together and absolute loathing for Naarth India are the common points. Such feelings are also actively encouraged by the two communist outfits as well as the main stream media in KL. A feeling of alienation is steadily being built up is what I could make out. Given an opportunity I have also seen non-Muslims (especially those who do not work in the Arab sheikh-doms) time and again remind the peacefools that their favourite Arabs are a big zero when it comes to education, scientific temper and producing any new thing which helps the society in general. All they have is oil money using which they get other smart people to build their airports, run them, build metros & run them and even build tall buildings. Looks like many Kerala people still believe that all these stuff are designed & built by Arab themselves .Sandrokottos wrote:Being a resident of Kerala, I know that the main reason local muslims hold arabs and their intolerant creed in such high esteem is their affluence (and percieved sophistication, even if skin deep)
Wasnt this rabidly anti Modi and Anti India and making fun of Pakistani shelling once destroyed some IA trucks, even they cant stand JNU Vitrol against India?pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/SalmanNizami_/statu ... 3919129600Salman Nizami @SalmanNizami_
Some stone pelters & separatists wre arrested. Thz is common in Kashmir whenevr thre is violence like situation. I hve confirmed from locals & journalists no such incident of Army torturing youth in open to terrorise the people. Kindly don't spread fake news for political gains!
Archie @archu243
Even Pakistan Parliamentarians don’t spare Bhikari Imran Khan
Is it fair that we Indians mock & call him #RotluPMPakKa ?
Regardless of pissfuls and assorted sickulars and commies doing whatever they can, there are more than enough RSS/BJP and patriotic locals who love their "Naarth Indian" brothers as much as their fellow mallus. There is an attempt to portray mallus in the Tamil separatist fashion, ready for a separate Dravidian homeland. I can tell you with all honesty that mallus (other than gelf obsessed pissfuls who thinks arabs will pay for their livelihood perpetually) have no illusions about a separate mallu land without "Naarth India." As for solidarity with Tamil separatists, one look at the Mullaiperiyar dam is enough to dissuade even the commies of any such notion. Even the uber liber cosmopolitan mallu knows he is better off with the "Naarth Indians" than not. All this Kerala is different nonsense is originating from the Khan market gang and local journos who take their cues from them. Mallus may think they are better than "Naarth Indians" because of their "education" and "development," but anyone who has been to any metro in India knows how backward mallu cities are and no mallu who go out of state think mallu land is heaven (when it comes to jobs and prospects for prosperity). So, rest assured, once the oil money runs out, even the pissfull mallus will become patriotic.Sachin wrote:To be frank as of today -and my only samples being from social media- the average Kerala Muslim is showing every sign of a Kashmiri Muslim. Sense of entitlement, a feeling that they (and also KL state) are a different species all together and absolute loathing for Naarth India are the common points. Such feelings are also actively encouraged by the two communist outfits as well as the main stream media in KL. A feeling of alienation is steadily being built up is what I could make out. Given an opportunity I have also seen non-Muslims (especially those who do not work in the Arab sheikh-doms) time and again remind the peacefools that their favourite Arabs are a big zero when it comes to education, scientific temper and producing any new thing which helps the society in general. All they have is oil money using which they get other smart people to build their airports, run them, build metros & run them and even build tall buildings. Looks like many Kerala people still believe that all these stuff are designed & built by Arab themselves .
But with India in general learning lessons from the Kashmir problem and with much advance in technology and governments with a different mind set coming in; chances of Kerala becoming another Kashmir is a bit less. But yes sooner or later there may be some minor show downs, by which the Arab lovers and their communist partners would be shown their right places.
After watching, madam suhasini says:pankajs wrote:The people who follow Foreign policy know reality of the baki "victory" at the UNSC.
Starting @ 1:09 ... There was no consensus at the UNSC meet nor is it clear what the next step of the UNSC will be. The real deal is that it {UNSC} is unwilling to re-look/think/evaluate what India has done." The rest is a lament of how helpless Modi/India has rendered the bakis.
Everyone seems to be placing their last hope on the valley Kashmiri revolting.
She first time noticed this language from Pakis in her life ... She heard it from respected sources tooSuhasini Haidar
@suhasinih
Quite outrageous for anyone in Pakistan to speak of "armed resistance", given the misery wreaked on Kashmiris for 3 decades. Hearing this from respected diplomats, even more shocking.
Same here. Up-E-nn needs a good influx of thinking people to attend these sorts of events and put some sense into them. And record the process and post it.Rudradev wrote:CRamS ji. I, at least, am on your side (and India's).
Frogistanis, who else? Hilarious. They are really feeling it up their pompous selves.It is not true. ! It must have come from one of the other members, as it did not come from the UK.