Modi Appoints Chief of Defence Staff (CDS): News and Discussions

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Postby Supratik » 11 Jan 2020 23:45

Should there be an Indian military service? Instead of pulling in people from other services. They would have core competency. Can be recruited similar to IAS, IFS, etc.

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Postby ramana » 12 Jan 2020 01:26

No
That will babufy the military.

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Postby Vips » 12 Jan 2020 05:42

MoD approves Rules of Business for the new CDS Gen. Bipin Rawat.

The Training Policy, all training setups including the National Defence Academy (NDA), the Indian Military Academy (IMA), the Officers Training Academy (OTA) and the Defence Services Staff College (DSSC) would also be under the CDS. The cadre management of the Junior Commissioned Officers (JCO) and other ranks will be looked after by the new CDS.

Also, as part of the government’s `Neighbourhood First Policy’ – military diplomacy with the countries in the neighbourhood will be managed by Rawat.

During his tenure as the Indian Army Chief, a couple of studies related to the review of officers and JCOs and ORs were carried out. And are now awaiting the approvals from the government before being implemented.

As has been reported earlier, on December 30, the DMA was created after the government’s announcement and the CDS as a Secretary in the MoD. The DMA which is the fifth department in the MoD has been mandated to promote jointness in procurement.

It is also expected to take care of the training and staffing for the Services. This will be done through both joint planning and through the integration of the requirements of the forces.

It is also going to be involved in the restructure Military Commands. This will help in the optimal utilisation of resources as it will bring in jointness in operations. And this will be through the establishment of joint/theatre commands, using indigenous equipment.

The three services are now under the ambit of the DMA along with the Territorial Army. Also, all works relating to the three Services and except capital acquisitions all other procurement exclusive to the services will be made.

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Postby ramana » 13 Jan 2020 18:08

Reports say JS (Army) will report to New DMA.

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Postby ramana » 21 Jan 2020 21:09

GOI has transferred the two JS Army and Land Systems to CDS, Secy of DMA.
Very good move.

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Postby PratikDas » 04 Feb 2020 12:59

Re-posting from the ABM/Missile Defence thread with permission.

PratikDas wrote:Russia Begins Production of S-400 Air Defence Systems for India

I've often wondered why Indian defense deals come with so many notifications, as if begging for opposition. For example:

2014 Missile Monitor, Russian Air Force: India interested in S-400
2015 Dawn: India to buy 5 units of S-400
2016 The Diplomat: India signs deal to buy S-400
2018 The Diplomat: India actually signs for S-400
2019 ToI: India transfers 15% of funds for S-400
2020 Sputnik News: Russia *begins* production of S-400
2025: Russia will complete deliveries

Is the idea to give the enemy ample time to realize that they might as well attack sooner rather than later?

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Re: Modi Appoints Chief of Defence Staff (CDS): News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 04 Feb 2020 13:58

Eleven years to complete the acquisition for a clearly needed defence system. What's wrong here?


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Postby LakshmanPST » 05 Feb 2020 10:39



Quotes from the article

India's first Chief of Defence Staff, General Bipin Rawat said it was his goal to "develop the services as an armed force," integrating capabilities, logistics and manpower within the new Military Commands. The goal is to bring down expenses, rationalise manpower and ensure that the armed forces fight as a cohesive unit.

While the number of commands has not been finalised, the Chief of Defence Staff is looking at the creation of proposals which would result in the creation of a Western Theatre Command, and at least one Northern Theatre Command. An Eastern Theatre Command would likely cover the border areas along the China frontier. The exact number of these Theatre Commands has still not been decided.

In addition to Commands which cover the land frontier against Pakistan and China, India would also have a Peninsula Command , an Air Defence Command and Space Command and a multi-service Logistics Command and Training Command.

Each Theatre Command would have an integral Air Force element and depending on the nature of the requirement, additional aircraft could be deployed.


Unified Logistics Command is a welcome move and will go a long way in saving costs... I think this command should also be under IAF like Air Defence Command...

Wondering how they will distribute Air assets to various commands given the low no. of fighter aircraft... I guess we would need upwards of 50 squadrons if we have to distribute them dedicatedly to various commands...
One more reason to order 2-3 squadrons of Rafale & cancel MMRCA deal and order more Tejas Mk1As and Speed up indigenous MWF & AMCA programs...
One possibility I feel may be implemented in short term is to distribute few dedicated Air assets to Northern, Eastern & Western Commands and create a Central command with reserve Air assets and assign them to North, East or West as and when required...
Anyways, it is too early to comment on this topic without any concrete details of their plans...

Significant cost cutting in each Command would be achieved through common stores management, shared bases, maintenance stocks and through the utilisation of similar weapons. "In co-located stations, there is tremendous scope for the management of resources," General Rawat said.

Preliminary discussions have been held between the Chief of Defence Staff and the three service chiefs with the CDS making it clear that it was his intention to begin the process of setting up the Commands within a finite period of time.


Colocation of stations is an important step... They can also look into the possibility of leasing land/buildings which might be vacated, if feasible... It will be additional source of revenue...

High-value military acquisitions, such as a proposed third aircraft carrier for Navy, "depends on how the economy progresses," said General Rawat as this costly acquisition would have "an impact on the other services." The Navy has fought for years for the government to sanction a third made-in-India carrier which would supplement INS Vikramaditya which is in service and INS Vikrant which enters trials soon before being inducted.


Safe to say that we won't be seeing any movement on INS Vishal (and Naval MMRCA) project for a few years...

Similarly, for the Indian Air Force, the Chief of Defence Staff felt it is important to stagger the purchases of expensive fighter aircraft to ensure higher serviceability. India is looking closely at a deal to acquire 114 fighter aircraft for which a global tender is now under way. "Look at the maintenance cycle," said General Rawat explaining that several newly acquired aircraft would need to be simultaneously serviced if they were acquired within a short period of time. This would mean that many of these assets would be simultaneously out of commission for a period of time. Instead, a system of staggered acquisitions for the Air Force would mean that at least some key operational platforms such as fighters, helicopters and drones would be available while others were being serviced.

Another cost cutting measure would be the indigenous manufacture of ammunition to a very high standard. "If ammunition has a shelf life of ten years, must you stock ammunition for twenty years?" asked the General, pointing out that it was "important to develop surge capacity" in quickly manufacturing ammunition if there was a crisis.


One of the most far reaching proposals, directly linked to the need to cut down on the whopping Rs 1.33 lakh crore pension budget of the Indian Armed forces would be to enable non-officer ranks to be employed till the age of 58. "One third of the Army, I believe, can work till the age of 58," explained General Rawat. At the moment, soldiers in the armed forces are retired between the ages of 37 and 38 as opposed to officers who usually retire at 58. "The pension budget is huge. Is this sustainable?" said the Chief of Defence Staff.


These pension costs will continue to increase... It may take 20 years for it to stabilize... Extending the employment of soldiers for non-combat roles within the Army or transferring them to PMF may also be explored
Indian Army must also cut down the size in the long term...

Summing up his immediate priorities, the Chief of Defence Staff said he would try to "minimise wastages", "prevent overstocking" supplies and if possible begin a possibility of "nil stocking" of supplies such as generators and auto components which are immediately available from commercial vendors. "Surplus and deficiencies need to be better managed. Jointmanship and optimisation is the need of the hour," he said.

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Postby Vidur » 08 Feb 2020 20:34

The best article written on the CDS. Accurate and authentic. Concluding Part of 2 Part series. This series covers all problems with defence, evolution of CDS, problems with CDS and recommended solutions. Short, accurate and topical.

https://www.yuddhaneeti.com/post/cds-a- ... ual-part-2

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Feb 2020 01:15

Theater command system under CDS faces teething problems
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 746703.ece
06 Feb 2020

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Postby ManuJ » 10 Feb 2020 03:52

I'm generally happy with the CDS reform, but there are a few issues that they need to address sooner than later.

First, the CDS is now the "principal military advisor to the government".
And yet, the Defence Secretary is still the "principal defence advisor" and "responsible for the defence of India".
How is that supposed to work? In wartime, who will the politicians listen to and get their advice from, the top military man or the civil servant?

Two, CDS has no command, so who are the theater commanders going to report to?
If they continue to report to their current service boss, what happens to jointness?

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Postby JayS » 10 Feb 2020 19:10

Vidur wrote:The best article written on the CDS. Accurate and authentic. Concluding Part of 2 Part series. This series covers all problems with defence, evolution of CDS, problems with CDS and recommended solutions. Short, accurate and topical.

https://www.yuddhaneeti.com/post/cds-a- ... ual-part-2

Quoting it in full here. The article is by our own Akshay saar. A must read.
CDS – A shining future for Indian defence or business as usual ? Part 2
Updated: 4 days ago




In Part 1 of this two part series on the CDS, we looked at the problems with Indian Defence and identified that 80% of the problem is civil service control of defence, and 20% is jointness. We examined the CDS mandate on jointness and concluded that the objective was clear, time bound, had adequate support and that there was a high probability of success.


In Part 2 we will look at the CDS’s mandate as Ex Officio Secretary, Department of Military Affairs and analyse if it can make a dent in addressing the big chunk 80% defence problems.


Revolutionary idea but there is a ‘but’


The creation of a Department of Military Affairs (DMA) is the most revolutionary aspect of the CDS. It has been carved out of the Department of Defence (DOD) and will be the fifth department in the MOD. The idea behind it is to have a military vertical that exclusively looks after all military matters including promotions, transfers, cadre management to the armed force. Some functions of the DOD have been transferred to the DMA including control over all the service headquarters, Integrated HQ MOD ,Revenue Procurement and works (construction works for armed forces).


However the DOD headed by the Defence Secretary is still responsible for ‘Defence of India’, and to that has been added ‘Defence Policy’. Much will depend upon the definition of ‘Defence Policy’ and how it is interpreted by the RM, CDS and Def Secy. If a matter is classified as policy it will have to go through the Def Secy. The author has spoken to a senior bureaucrat in Ministry of Defence and was told that the IAS lobby wanted to ensure that Def Secy is still the ‘King of Defence’.


As of the time of writing the MOD website still shows the old structure even though the gazette notification for creation of DMA was issued many weeks ago. In addition, the author has learnt that many staff of DOD who have been transferred to DMA have refused to work under a military officer heading the DMA.


These facts demonstrate that there is significant resistance to relinquishing power by the bureaucracy and that it will not be easy for either the government or the CDS to overcome this.


Will the CDS have a team he can trust at the DMA


In the current/old structure the DOD is divided into 3 wings each headed by an Additional Secretary (AS):


1. AS 1 handles all affairs related to armed forces assisted by a Joint Secretary (JS) each for Army Navy, Air Force.

2. AS 2 handles training, coordination, medical services, establishment and works (construction of buildings for Armed Forces). He is supported by 4 JS for each of these verticals.

3. DG Acquisition is the third AS and handles procurement for the armed forces and is assisted by a JS each for Army Navy and Air Force.


All the functions of AS 1 and more than half of the functions of AS 2 have moved to the DMA. So, the DMA should be authorised at least 2 AS level officers and at least 5 JS level officers. Conversely the DOD should lose these vacancies. For the knowledge of reader, AS is equivalent to a Lt Gen, and a JS to a Major General.


However only 2 JS have been authorised to the DMA as of now and no AS. The optimists would say that this is because the other 3 JS and 2 AS needed will be military officers deputed from service HQs. I am sorry to be a party pooper but I can confirm that Def Secy is saying this is not possible because apparently under DOPT rules Armed Forces officers cannot be posted to Govt of India posts. So, not only will the CDS will not have enough senior officers, he will also not have a team that is aligned to spirit and vision of the CDS. And as we all know, every top leader needs a team he can trust without which he cannot deliver.


Have the CDS and Service Chiefs been downgraded compared to the Def Secy


This is a very important issue that has not been adequately covered in the media. The current equivalence is as follows :

Cabinet Secretary is at number 11 in Warrant of Precedence (WOP) and COAS/CNS/CAS are a notch below on 12. VCAS/VCNS/VCAS and Army Cdrs are equivalent to Secretary Govt of India at 23. Lt Gens at 24 are below Secretaries but above Additional Secretaries who are at 25. Within the MOD the Def Secretary is senior to Secretaries of the other 3 Departments. So if the CDS is now just Secretary of DMA he is in effect doing a job which is a several notches downgrade.

The logical conclusion is that since he is first amongst equals to COAS/CNS/CAS they are also downgraded. This is quite an important issue and will have ramifications in day to day functioning.


We can fix these problems if we have the will


We have highlighted important issues that will hinder the functioning of the CDS but these can be fixed.


The first step is to address the issues of equivalence and downgradation. Major Generals should be equivalent to Additional Secretaries, Lt Gens should be equivalent to Secretaries Govt of India (23), Vice Chiefs and Army Cdrs should be equivalent to Cabinet Secretary (11), and Service Chiefs and CDS should be equivalent to junior ministers (10). This will also ensure that when theatre commands are formed these issues have already been ironed out.


The next step is to appoint a Lt Gen equivalent, ideally a Naval or Air Officer, as Deputy CDS and Secretary DMA. Govt should also appoint 2 Major Gens as Additional Secretaries and ensure that 70 % of Director of staff at DMA are military. This will allow the DMA to function effectively and to provide adequate support to the CDS. It will also address the problems of bureaucratic control of defence we looked at in the previous article. It will also bypass the bureaucratic resistance we have highlighted in this article and lead to true integration of armed forces into the defence ministry.


Delegate to Service HQs and Leverage HQIDS


The CDS can bypass bureaucratic resistance by delegating maximum powers to Service HQs, especially in fields of revenue procurement and works (construction works of armed forces). The DMA should act as conduit of power to the armed forces rather than an overseeing and decision-making department. All major decision making should be done either at Service HQs or at COSC.


The COSC is the right forum for overseeing military and armed forces policy.All military policy matters including long term perspective plans, budget needs etc should be discussed and agreed at the COSC. Head Quarters Integrated Defence Staff should be entrusted with coming up not only with jointness, perspective plans, budgetary and tri services proposals; but also with all cadre management, promotion, pay and allowances proposals. These can then be discussed and made into policy at the COSC.


One important issue highlighted in Part 1 was the disconnect between Long Term Perspective Plans, 5 Year Plans and allocations in annual budget. As we have seen in the past years and even in the recent budget, annual budgetary allocations bear no relation to cabinet approved long term perspective plans and 5 year plans. The fundamental problem is that of low budgetary allocations to defence but that can be the topic of a separate article. However a properly function CDS can certainly create more realistic perspective plans based on clear communication of threats to political leadership and their/national appetite for security.


Conclusion


We have looked at the problems plaguing national defence and concluded that 20% was jointness and 80% was bureaucratic control of defence. We have seen that creation of CDS, and especially the DMA, is a revolutionary step in addressing these problems, but there are some important lacunae. We have given recommendations to address these problems.


Whether the CDS leads to a shining future for national defence or just remains business as usual depends upon whether these recommendations are followed.


You can follow the author on twitter: https://twitter.com/Akshay5985965

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Postby JayS » 10 Feb 2020 19:20

As I was saying to raman saar elsewhere, I was disappointed at only 2 JS in DMA. I was expecting much larger number, given how much is being said to be moved in the DMA.

I think the only way is for Modi-RS duo to lean heavily on the Bureaucracy using their political weight to make them fall in line. The natural progress would be just too slow. We need DeMo kind of shock therapy in MoD. It will disrupt things for a while but it will create a better base for the future. I have been disappointed in 2014 as well for missing on the opportunity to shake up the Acquicision system.

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Postby ramana » 15 Feb 2020 20:46

Manu, Defence Secy is administration.
CDS is military.
That's the modus vivendi.

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Postby dinesha » 17 Feb 2020 01:13

As per the recommendations, there will be a DMA Secretariat, which will then consist of a Defence Advisor who will report directly to the Chief of Defence Staff. The Secretariat will essentially have three Deputy Defence Advisors, who will have several key roles.

The Secretariat will be entrusted with the responsibility to look after the promotion and postings of all brigadier-rank officers and above for all three services.

The DMA will also have two secretaries – Secretary DMA and Secretary (Transformation and Coordination).
The DMA Secretary will be the Chief of Defence Staff, while the Secretary (Transformation and Coordination) will be the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff, who will also be known as the Vice CDS.

The organisation will further have five joint secretaries; one each from the Army, Navy and Air Force, and two from the Indian bureaucracy. Each Joint Secretary will entail their own Deputy Secretaries and Assistant Secretaries.

Postings and promotions of all Brigadier-level officers and above in armed forces to be decided by CDS: Report | India News - https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... ort/553767

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Postby dinesha » 17 Feb 2020 01:19

The department has sought the government’s approval for the appointment of one secretary who will be responsible for transformation and coordination, one three-star ranked secretary and three joint secretaries to execute its wide-ranging mandate, said Major General Mukesh Aggarwal, defence advisor to General Rawat.




Aggarwal said an interim set up has already been created in the DMA to take forward its mandate with a secretary (transformation and coordination), three additional secretaries and five joint secretaries. The head of the Integrated Defence Staff (an officer of the rank of commander-in-chief) is currently “dual hatting” as secretary (transformation and coordination).

“A lot of discussions have taken place (on the new appointments). While in-principle agreement is there, approvals will take some time,” Aggarwal said.

HT reported on Thursday that the defence ministry has sent the names of three two-star ranked officers from the army, air force and navy to the government for appointment as joint secretaries in department of military affairs. These officers will be appointed as joint secretaries handling army, air force and Navy.

The two IAS officers already posted to the DMA have been assigned their duties --- Thakur has been appointed joint secretary (legal, vigilance and establishment) while Shantanu has been given charge of joint secretary (works and coordination).

The department’s officials will be able to exercise financial powers after the government clears the other appointments.

Rawat’s secretariat consists of a defence advisor, three deputy defence advisers and two aides-de-camp. The deputy defence advisors from the three services will look after promotions and posting of officers of the rank of major general and above, Aggarwal said.


Structure of CDS-led military affairs department taking shape - india news - Hindustan Times - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 9nrrK.html

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Postby ManuJ » 17 Feb 2020 02:12

ramana wrote:Manu, Defence Secy is administration.
CDS is military.
That's the modus vivendi.


Ramana, that is all well, but then why is the Defence Secretary responsible for 'the defence of the country'?
It should be the DM's job, no, based on both military and administrative inputs?

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Postby ManuJ » 17 Feb 2020 02:25

Good article providing detailed make-up of the DMA and a further explanation (and expansion?) of DMA responsibilities and powers.

Bipin Rawat headed-DMA will give preference to domain experts like DRDO and ISRO

The present structure of the DMA has the secretary at the helm. Under him, there is a secretary (transformation and coordination), a position currently held by Vice Admiral R. Hari Kumar, who is also the current Chief of Integrated Defence Staff (CISC).

There will be an additional secretary who will be a military personnel and five joint secretaries.

Of the five joint secretaries, three will be military personnel from the Army, Navy and Indian Air Force. The remaining two joint secretaries have been appointed and are from the Indian Administrative Services (IAS) — Rajeev Singh Thakur, a 1995-batch of the Rajasthan cadre and Shantanu, a 1997-batch officer of Tripura cadre.

The Army joint secretary will be responsible for the Army and the Territorial Army, the Navy joint secretary will be responsible for Defence Staff and IAF joint secretary will be responsible for staff duty.

The other two joint secretaries will be responsible for works, coordination and legal and vigilance and establishment, respectively.

The Army will also have 10 directors/deputy secretaries under it, while the Navy and the IAF will have five-six directors/deputy secretaries under it. There will also be two independent directors, including director (statutory complaints and complaints) and director (personnel). The independent directors will report to the additional secretary.


The DMA secretariat will have the CDS, a Defence Advisor with three deputies and two aides-de-camp (ADC) among other staff.

The DMA will review for the selection board on matters of promotions of Brigadiers to Major Generals and equivalents. Earlier, it used to go to the Department of Defence (DoD) for review. But now all armed forces have been moved under DMA. Similarly, all statutory complaints, promotions and postings of senior armed forces officers will go to the DMA.

The DMA will also be in charge of revenue procurement and will have a say in the prioritisation of capital procurement. Cases prioritised by the CDS will go to the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC).

The DMA will also oversee supply of arms and ammunition to friendly neighbouring countries such as Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives and monitor developments in the Indian Ocean region, Afghanistan, West Asia and SouthEast Asia.

The DMA will be responsible for key matters relating to India’s neighbouring countries including border disputes and incidents, development of infrastructure in forward areas and deployment of forces.

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Postby Nikhil T » 17 Feb 2020 13:59

Bipin Rawat latest on Theatre Commands

1. Navy’s Eastern and Western Commands to be merged under a Peninsular Command (ETA end 2021]
2. A new Theatre Command solely for Jammu and Kashmir (including IB)
3. IAF to helm Air Defence Command (ETA early 2021) - includes all long range missiles in addition to AD assets

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Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Feb 2020 15:24

^^
ramana wrote:Rawat is hitting a six every week.

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please quote the tweet too..
irrespectively, he's a man for a mission...and he's on to it..
we are in slog overs now.....may be i am daydreaming..but i see history being created right in front of my eyes...everything is like a nail in the coffin of this 72 year old monster pakistan..could it be 2022-23 period

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Postby ks_sachin » 17 Feb 2020 17:35

He may be going too fast...There could be blow back. If change is not done in a sustainable manner then.....It is not just about rules....
There are enough examples of such failures in the armed forces....

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Postby srin » 17 Feb 2020 20:37

Nikhil T wrote:Bipin Rawat latest on Theatre Commands

1. Navy’s Eastern and Western Commands to be merged under a Peninsular Command (ETA end 2021]
2. A new Theatre Command solely for Jammu and Kashmir (including IB)
3. IAF to helm Air Defence Command (ETA early 2021) - includes all long range missiles in addition to AD assets


I don't understand the first one. What's common between them ? And what happens to the tri-service command in A&N ?
The others make too much sense.

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Postby LakshmanPST » 17 Feb 2020 22:41

srin wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Bipin Rawat latest on Theatre Commands

1. Navy’s Eastern and Western Commands to be merged under a Peninsular Command (ETA end 2021]
2. A new Theatre Command solely for Jammu and Kashmir (including IB)
3. IAF to helm Air Defence Command (ETA early 2021) - includes all long range missiles in addition to AD assets


I don't understand the first one. What's common between them ? And what happens to the tri-service command in A&N ?
The others make too much sense.


I guess the Peninsular Command will be a full-fledged theater command with all three forces working directly under a Naval officer...
IAF's opposition to theater commands is mainly due to not having enough assets... Since peninsular India do not need many fighter jets, it won't be a problem...

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Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Feb 2020 23:23

could be from a long term think too...Penisular India has not been attacked..but was colonized from seas...

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Postby JayS » 18 Feb 2020 00:38

ManuJ wrote:Good article providing detailed make-up of the DMA and a further explanation (and expansion?) of DMA responsibilities and powers.

Bipin Rawat headed-DMA will give preference to domain experts like DRDO and ISRO

The present structure of the DMA has the secretary at the helm. Under him, there is a secretary (transformation and coordination), a position currently held by Vice Admiral R. Hari Kumar, who is also the current Chief of Integrated Defence Staff (CISC).

There will be an additional secretary who will be a military personnel and five joint secretaries.

Of the five joint secretaries, three will be military personnel from the Army, Navy and Indian Air Force. The remaining two joint secretaries have been appointed and are from the Indian Administrative Services (IAS) — Rajeev Singh Thakur, a 1995-batch of the Rajasthan cadre and Shantanu, a 1997-batch officer of Tripura cadre.

The Army joint secretary will be responsible for the Army and the Territorial Army, the Navy joint secretary will be responsible for Defence Staff and IAF joint secretary will be responsible for staff duty.

The other two joint secretaries will be responsible for works, coordination and legal and vigilance and establishment, respectively.

The Army will also have 10 directors/deputy secretaries under it, while the Navy and the IAF will have five-six directors/deputy secretaries under it. There will also be two independent directors, including director (statutory complaints and complaints) and director (personnel). The independent directors will report to the additional secretary.


The DMA secretariat will have the CDS, a Defence Advisor with three deputies and two aides-de-camp (ADC) among other staff.

The DMA will review for the selection board on matters of promotions of Brigadiers to Major Generals and equivalents. Earlier, it used to go to the Department of Defence (DoD) for review. But now all armed forces have been moved under DMA. Similarly, all statutory complaints, promotions and postings of senior armed forces officers will go to the DMA.

The DMA will also be in charge of revenue procurement and will have a say in the prioritisation of capital procurement. Cases prioritised by the CDS will go to the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC).

The DMA will also oversee supply of arms and ammunition to friendly neighbouring countries such as Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives and monitor developments in the Indian Ocean region, Afghanistan, West Asia and SouthEast Asia.

The DMA will be responsible for key matters relating to India’s neighbouring countries including border disputes and incidents, development of infrastructure in forward areas and deployment of forces.


Thats explains a lot. Why only 2 JS were appointed earlier. As expected, there are many more JS. only that the additional ones are from the Mil. Really great to hear that.

Overall, seems like a lot was already decided and creation of CDS formally started rolling out the changes one by one. So many and such big changes could not be rolled out in such short span without years of background work.

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Postby Philip » 18 Feb 2020 04:57

The Peninsula Command coming under an IN admiral is an excellent proposal.You may remember my views for aeons on the
IN taking over more of the maritime air defence of the south and ANC from the IAF ,releasing valuable MKIs for the Chin and Pak fronts.
Naval aircraft operating from land bases could assist carrier fighters in sanitising the EEZ and IOR region.If we push the pedal and acquire a number of Backfires, equipped with SS BMos and later HS ASMs, we would be increasing the range,reach and lethality of the same. Even NLCAs would have their worth operating from land bases. However,the current fleet dispositions should not be tampered with too much,it will lead to confusion. A restructuring should start at GHQ .Let's wait for further details.

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Postby srin » 18 Feb 2020 06:50

The issue with the peninsular command to me is wrt Navy. While the peninsula can be a single theatre, the bay of Bengal and Arabian sea are different theatres (think 1971 war) having their own fleets.

They each have their own requirements.
Arabian sea is where many naval engagements are going to be in case of hostilities with PN.
BoB is of special interest because that is presumably where our SSBNs are going to conduct deterrence patrols, so they need special protection.

Secondly, it'd have been better to have the A&N command as the BoB command.

So ok with the peninsular command as far as AF and Army and air defence are concerned but wrt Navy, not sure about the rationale.

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Postby ramana » 18 Feb 2020 09:51

I think Gen Rawat has to be compared to Lord Kitchener in his transforming the forces.

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Postby ramana » 18 Feb 2020 09:51

srin wrote:The issue with the peninsular command to me is wrt Navy. While the peninsula can be a single theatre, the bay of Bengal and Arabian sea are different theatres (think 1971 war) having their own fleets.

They each have their own requirements.
Arabian sea is where many naval engagements are going to be in case of hostilities with PN.
BoB is of special interest because that is presumably where our SSBNs are going to conduct deterrence patrols, so they need special protection.

Secondly, it'd have been better to have the A&N command as the BoB command.

So ok with the peninsular command as far as AF and Army and air defence are concerned but wrt Navy, not sure about the rationale.



Command can have different theaters.

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Postby LakshmanPST » 18 Feb 2020 13:24

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 183766.cms

Rawat said the peninsular command, with air assets and Army’s support, will be under a Navy commander. “The security of Indian Ocean Region has to be dealt with by one commander and he will not be required to get approval from Delhi for operational matters,” said Rawat.


So, Peninsula Command will be a full-fledged Theater Command under a Navy Officer...

India will have two to five theatre commands along the borders with Pakistan and China, Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat said on Monday..
On the Pakistan front, the CDS said there was a plan to have a separate command for J&K. The other could be on the border south of Jammu.


How they'll organize Northern Frontiers need to be seen... Lack of enough Aerial assets will be an issue...
They can create 3 Commands for Army, one each for International Pak Border, J&K (Can include Ladakh & Uttarakhad Chinese Borders in this) and Eastern Chinese Frontier... And can create a common Air Force Command for the entire Northern India...

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Postby LakshmanPST » 18 Feb 2020 13:45

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/c ... 05461.html

The Peninsular Command, Gen Rawat said, would come under the Navy Chief while the Andaman and Nicobar Command would continue with its separate identity.

This answers A&N question...
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Postby Kanson » 18 Feb 2020 19:02

How this new J&K Th Com could enhace the security setup from the existing one?

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Postby dinesha » 18 Feb 2020 20:26

CDS Gen. Rawat doing the right things first
https://bharatkarnad.com/2020/02/18/cds ... ngs-first/
18 Feb 2020

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Postby ArjunPandit » 18 Feb 2020 20:40

dinesha wrote:CDS Gen. Rawat doing the right things first
https://bharatkarnad.com/2020/02/18/cds ... ngs-first/

i like the mandatory service part for some years..giving few years to the country will be a great experience unmatched by anything...

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Postby ramana » 19 Feb 2020 11:20

JayS, You should be happy about the two JS also!

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Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2020 02:08

https://twitter.com/invincibleidea/stat ... 5148289026 ----> Ministry of Defence to take over South Block at Raisina Hill after creation of Department of Military Affairs. Indian Army, the Navy and the Indian Air Force to be shifted out Raisana Hill.


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