Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

[vishvak]

More alarming is how a cure isn't yet made available, or discovered first. No clue about exact max time forward for virus to come out of dormant state. Not to mention exact place of origin or leak. Not all this is clear yet security is not max at places around the world. The most striking aspect here is how Chinese can flaunt bio weapons and get away with accident.

[John]

What I find interesting fake news about cure caused market to spin higher ( Sky and Reuters were behind the two fake news) but WHO came forward to deny all this and no one seems to care. Markets have maintained the gains and no one even reports on that or barely any retweets, interesting market manipulation underway.

[chola]

More alarming is how a cure isn't yet made available, or discovered first. No clue about exact max time forward for virus to come out of dormant state. Not to mention exact place of origin or leak. Not all this is clear yet security is not max at places around the world. The most striking aspect here is how Chinese can flaunt bio weapons and get away with accident.

Stop this chini is superman getting away with chit nonsense. The country is practically isolated now with no flights. Its economy is shot. Probably down to 2% growth if not outright recession. They are not getting away with anything. The supply chains will move out even faster with this disruption.

If it is a bio-weapon then it is more likely someone had dropped it on them. The death total outside Cheen is 2 out of 200 infected. That's 200 out of 25000 infects. So for all practical purposes, the disease is quarantined in Cheen.

This is the perfect weapon to have used if someone were to design one. Cheen being crushed with little contagion in the outside world, drop in trade and travel and mass redirecting of the global supply chains away from Cheen.

Don't worry, just sit back and enjoy the spectacle. lol

[Arun.prabhu]

To strike fear in our hearts...

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Those numbers would lead to people dying on the streets...

[Arun.prabhu]

Did I make any reference Remdesivir? It’s a new drug with limited stock. I was referring to chloroquine, which is cheap, there is a large stock today - because malaria - and the doses tested in the lab are attainable in our bodies with a 500mg tab.

Well, maybe it’s not the end of the world after all...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0

2019-nCoV is responding to chloroquine in the lab. The anti-malaria drug is mass produced and available in enough quantities that we can shut this thing down. So, best or middling case is most likely at this point. If this works as advertised, the worst case i outlined is now pretty much eliminated.

FYI this news was tweeted multiple times from shady sources, China and Pharma company Gilead have cautioned this is preliminary and against false statements that this can stop the virus before more testing.

Also news broke that a cure has been developed by Chinese media by Reuters. This caused the futures to spike (Dow 30k here we come), Chinese media deny and WHO had to come forward there is no such thing and this is fake. Looks like big institutions and hedge funds in US are spreading fake news trying to push the markets higher so they can short it for 2x profit. Expect this to happen over next months as big money tries to cash in on market volatility. Wow pushing fake news to create false hope and misery so you can make $$ greed knows no limits.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/coronav ... dates.html

Stock futures turned higher in overnight trading after Reuters said a Chinese TV media outlet had reported that a research team at Zhejiang University had found an effective drug to treat people with the new coronavirus. The news agency, citing traders, suggested this was a reason for the move higher in stocks.

7:50 pm: WHO spokesperson reportedly says there are ‘no known’ effective drug treatments against coronavirus

[UlanBatori]

I hear the point about flu being "seasonal". But the flu season is Winter-Spring, and this is Winter-Spring, so that point means nothing.
SARS may have hit in summer I don't remember, but H1N1 hit probably same time: winter-Spring.

Now let us consider the point that this is an attack. I deliberately use the term "ATTACK" not "leak".
a) If it is an attack, the attackers will follow up with propagandoos. Otherwise what's the point? (Check: propaganda in full flow, fake videos of Dead in The Streets and all)
b) Stock market only blipped the first day and recovered, so they had to slap it down with a huge propaganda blitz. (Check)
c) If ppl are falling dead in the streets, who was out there playing pocket billiards and taking videos? The **ONLY** viable answer is "PLA". So they took the video and posted it on the Internet? If it was not authorized, what is the life expectancy of the videographer and web-uploader? (Check: 100 years because they would be kept alive to suffer the longest in Gobi Le-Education Centel).
d) The videos of dead in the streets, are probably of Hong Kong Sprittists.

[UlanBatori]

Oh! And just in time..

H5N8: Saudi Arabia reports outbreak of HIGHLY pathogenic bird flu virus

See the Sheikh standing around with no mask giving orders? Must be immune.

Earlier on Tuesday, a similar alarming report about a bird flu outbreak came from Vietnam, where another highly pathogenic virus strain — H5N6 — led to the deaths of 2,200 birds in a village in the country’s north.
On February 1, China, which has already been gripped with a novel coronavirus originated from the city of Wuhan, reported that an outbreak of the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus was detected in its central Hunan province.
While it hasn’t occupied the news spotlight lately, H5N1 is said to be an even deadlier virus to those who contract it. Nearly 60 percent of H5N1 patients die after contracting the sickness, compared to two percent of Wuhan coronavirus (2019 nCoV) patients thus far.

[UlanBatori]

US stock market is zooming. Since it follows Asian market closings, it clearly discounts Woohan rumors. Even Boeing and GE are up. Someone made big $$ in past week. Unfortunately I do not believe it was I. Then again, I feel that the scare tactic may have boomeranged.

[John]

Did I make any reference Remdesivir? It’s a new drug with limited stock. I was referring to chloroquine, which is cheap, there is a large stock today - because malaria - and the doses tested in the lab are attainable in our bodies with a 500mg tab.

FYI this news was tweeted multiple times from shady sources, China and Pharma company Gilead have cautioned this is preliminary and against false statements that this can stop the virus before more testing.

Also news broke that a cure has been developed by Chinese media by Reuters. This caused the futures to spike (Dow 30k here we come), Chinese media deny and WHO had to come forward there is no such thing and this is fake. Looks like big institutions and hedge funds in US are spreading fake news trying to push the markets higher so they can short it for 2x profit. Expect this to happen over next months as big money tries to cash in on market volatility. Wow pushing fake news to create false hope and misery so you can make $$ greed knows no limits.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/coronav ... dates.html

I know I was just noting a lot of it’s been cured news popped up in media almost as concentrated effort to prop up the markets and WHO had to come out and had to deny them.

Just saw some financial strategist come out in CNBC claiming we have reached peak and everything should be good. When did financial analysts become experts in Coronavirus?

[UlanBatori]

Joy! From Wikipedia:

An estimated five million people left the city before the lockdown began, prompting anger and criticism of the government's late quarantine of the city.[34][35]

Many of those barred houses may be of people who left. To hinder thieves. And so... there are 5 million potential CV-carriers all over cheen and some other nations. Elite of Wuhan city might have caught international flights early in the game with the New Year holiday coming up and all.
Given this, the concentration of the virus inside Wuhan says that it is a pretty localized thing. Maybe there is an active SOURCE there still? Or was, for a long period?

[Arun.prabhu]

Epidemiologists in Hong Kong believe peak will be in late April or early May. The official daily infected count increase delta is just now starting To take off and they think we have reached peak. Peak, my ass!

Did I make any reference Remdesivir? It’s a new drug with limited stock. I was referring to chloroquine, which is cheap, there is a large stock today - because malaria - and the doses tested in the lab are attainable in our bodies with a 500mg tab.

I know I was just noting a lot of it’s been cured news popped up in media almost as concentrated effort to prop up the markets and WHO had to come out and had to deny them.

Just saw some financial strategist come out in CNBC claiming we have reached peak and everything should be good. When did financial analysts become experts in Coronavirus?

[UlanBatori]

Now comes the money part: $675M program for "preparedness".
Also: 24,000 infected, per WaPo.

[Arun.prabhu]

Even better. They suppressed news and forbade proper control procedures because there was a party meet. They had a forty thousand family potluck in Wuhan in early jan, handed out 100000 free tickets to fairs and had a generally good time while giving the virus the perfect breeding ground. Chernobyl levels of stupidity and incompetence. If the rumors about the scope of this are even halfway true, we can look forward to severe political purge of xi’s opponents as soon as this is controlled or Xi having an unfortunate accident and untimely death or widespread unrest and sown seeds of rebellion and civil war. This type of catastrophe counts as loss of Mandate of Heaven to the superstitious Chinese and that means interesting times for the powers that be. On a positive note, if there isn’t a pandemic and India doesn’t get hosed by the disease, China is going to be too busy putting out internal fires to worry about extending their reach around the world for the next decade.

Joy! From Wikipedia:

An estimated five million people left the city before the lockdown began, prompting anger and criticism of the government's late quarantine of the city.[34][35]

Many of those barred houses may be of people who left. To hinder thieves. And so... there are 5 million potential CV-carriers all over cheen and some other nations. Elite of Wuhan city might have caught international flights early in the game with the New Year holiday coming up and all.
Given this, the concentration of the virus inside Wuhan says that it is a pretty localized thing. Maybe there is an active SOURCE there still? Or was, for a long period?

[John]

Epidemiologists in Hong Kong believe peak will be in late April or early May. The official daily infected count increase delta is just now starting To take off and they think we have reached peak. Peak, my ass!

I know I was just noting a lot of it’s been cured news popped up in media almost as concentrated effort to prop up the markets and WHO had to come out and had to deny them.

Just saw some financial strategist come out in CNBC claiming we have reached peak and everything should be good. When did financial analysts become experts in Coronavirus?

Right now in CNBC for past few hrs all I have seen is talk about how we have reached the peak, Trump speech removes Fear about virus spreading in US, Some talking head was talking about how Flu kills thousands so its much more deadlier Coronavirus. It seems almost to be coordinated campaign to down play it..

[madhu]

To strike fear in our hearts...

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Those numbers would lead to people dying on the streets...

How about checking traffic near hospital and funeral ground from google maps? Does google maps works and update traffic?

[UlanBatori]

I just "drove" from Wuhan International Airport to the city center to the Wuhan Combined and Traditional Hospital. The last segment, 28km inside city, in 31 minutes. No yellow or red traffic indications anywhere.
(U think Emperor Eleven and his gang are **THAT** stupid? They would have kindly informed Googre of the opening of new Gobi Rest and Relaxation Facility.)

As for funeral ground, do Chinese ppl bury or cremate? From the post about crematorium operations etc it sound like the latter, esp with the virus. Does the virus survive heat or thrive on it like the Andromeda Strain?

[UlanBatori]

Clear racist element to hysteria over new coronavirus – Slavoj Zizek

Some of us, including myself, would secretly love to be in China’s Wuhan right now, experiencing a real-life, post-apocalyptic movie set. The city’s empty streets provide the image of a non-consumerist world at ease with itself.
Coronavirus is all over the news, and I don’t pretend to be a medical specialist, but there is a question I’d like to raise: Where do facts end and where does ideology begin? The first obvious enigma: There are far worse epidemics taking place, so why is there such an obsession with this one when thousands die daily from other infectious diseases?
Of course, an extreme case was the 1918-1920 influenza pandemic, known as Spanish flu, when the death toll is estimated to have been at least 50 million. Around this time, influenza has infected 15 million Americans: at least 140,000 people have been hospitalized and more than 8,200 people killed this season alone. It seems racist paranoia is obviously at work here – remember all the fantasies about the Chinese women in Wuhan skinning live snakes and slurping bat soup. Whereas, in reality, a big Chinese city is probably one of the safest places in the world.
But there is a deeper paradox at work: The more our world is connected, the more a local disaster can trigger global fear and eventually a catastrophe. In the spring of 2010, a cloud from a minor volcanic eruption in Iceland brought to a standstill air traffic over most of Europe – a reminder of how, regardless of all its ability to transform nature, humankind remains just another living species on the planet Earth.
The catastrophic socio-economic impact of such a minor event is due to our technological development (air travel). A century ago, such an eruption would have passed unnoticed. Technological development makes us more independent from nature and at the same time, at a different level, more dependent on nature’s whims. And the same holds for the spread of coronavirus – if it happened before Deng Xiaoping’s reforms, we probably wouldn’t have even heard about it.

Taking up cudgels
So how are we to fight the virus when it just multiplies as a weird invisible form of parasitic life and its precise mechanism remains basically unknown? It is this lack of knowledge which causes panic. What if the virus mutates in an unpredictable way and triggers a true global catastrophe?
This is my private paranoia: Is the reason why the authorities are displaying panic because they know (or suspect, at least) something about possible mutations that they don’t want to render public in order to avoid public confusion and unrest? Because the actual effects, up to now, have been now relatively modest. One thing is sure: Isolation, and further quarantines, will not do the job.

Full unconditional solidarity and a globally coordinated response is needed, a new form of what was once called communism. If we don’t orient our efforts in this direction, then Wuhan today is maybe the image of the city of our future.
Many dystopias already imagined a similar fate. We mostly stay at home, work on our computers, communicate through videoconferences, work out on a machine in the corner of our home office, occasionally masturbate in front of a screen displaying hardcore sex, and get food by delivery.

Holiday in Wuhan
There is, however, an unexpected emancipatory prospect hidden in this nightmarish vision. I must admit that during the last few days, I have found myself dreaming of visiting Wuhan.
Do half-abandoned streets in a megalopolis – the usually bustling urban centers looking like a ghost town, stores with open doors and no customers, just a lone walker or car here and there, individuals with white masks – not provide the image of a non-consumerist world at ease with itself?
The melancholic beauty of the empty avenues of Shanghai or Hong Kong remind me of some old post-apocalyptic movies like ‘On the Beach,’ which show a city with most of the population wiped out – no big spectacular destruction, just the world out there no longer ready-at-hand, awaiting us, looking at us and for us.
Even the white masks worn by the few people walking around provide a welcome anonymity and liberation from social pressure for recognition.
Many of us remember the famous conclusion of the students’ situationist manifesto from 1966: “Vivre sans temps mort, jouir sans entraves” – to live without dead time, to enjoy without obstacles.
If Freud and Lacan taught us anything, it is that this formula – the supreme case of a superego injunction since, as Lacan aptly demonstrated, superego is at its most basic a positive injunction to enjoy, not a negative act of prohibiting something – is a recipe for disaster. The urge to fill in every moment of the time allotted to us with intense engagement unavoidably ends up in a suffocating monotony.
Dead time – moments of withdrawal, of what old mystics called Gelassenheit, releasement – are crucial for the revitalization of our life experience. And, perhaps, one can hope that an unintended consequence of the coronavirus quarantines in Chinese cities will be that some people at least will use their dead time to be released from hectic activity and think about the (non)sense of their predicament.
I am fully aware of the danger I am courting in making public these thoughts of mine – am I not engaging in a new version of attributing to the suffering of victims some deeper authentic insight from my safe external position and thus cynically legitimizing their suffering?

Racist undertones
When a masked citizen of Wuhan walks around searching for medicine or food, there are definitely no anti-consumerist thoughts on his or her mind – just panic, anger and fear. My plea is just that even horrible events can have unpredictable positive consequences.
Carlo Ginzburg proposed the notion that being ashamed of one’s country, not love of it, may be the true mark of belonging to it.
Maybe some Israelis will gather the courage to feel shame apropos Netanyahu and Trump politics done on their behalf – not, of course, in the sense of shame of being Jewish. On the contrary, feeling shame for what actions in the West Bank are doing to the most precious legacy of Judaism itself.
Perhaps some Brits should also be honest enough to feel shame about the ideological dream that brought them Brexit. But for the people of Wuhan, it’s not the time to feel ashamed and stigmatized but the time to gather courage and patiently persist in their struggle.
If there were people in China who attempted to downplay epidemics, they should be ashamed just as those Soviet functionaries around Chernobyl who publicly claimed there was no danger while immediately evacuating their own families should. Or as those top managers who publicly deny global warming but are already buying houses in New Zealand or building survival bunkers in the Rocky Mountains should.

Maybe the public outrage against such alleged double behavior (which is already compelling the authorities to promise transparency) will give birth to another unintended positive political development in China.
But those who should be truly ashamed are all of us around the world thinking just about how to quarantine the Chinese.

[nachiket]

Calvinji, South American diet is very heavily meat-based, and they eat practically all species. I think the answer is that zillions of virus strains come out and bite ppl in the Amazon regions and Andes and the Pampas every year. Thousands of people die of infection. But CNN/WaPo aren't there to hype it.
Gotta have some empathy for the cheen in this, as much as I may take pleasure in poking them on other things.
They have high density of population in urban PRC, and their people are hard-working and productive, so they are missed if they lose days due to illness. This is why they react fast to these things - and the Usual Quarters go to town sneering at them.

Ebola struck the poorest parts of Africa and was far less contagious. There was practically zero chance of an American contracting it unless they were a health worker serving in affected regions. Yet it made headlines for months.

So this being some sort of CNN/WaPo anti-Cheen conspiracy to hype Coronavirus more than necessary does not compute. If there was an outbreak like this in South America or anywhere else, it would make just as much news.

[chola]

^^^ Quarantining the Chinese is prudent. But let's not be exaggerating the danger which would create an economic contagion for everyone else.

I don't give a chit about how many deaths Cheen is covering up in China. A thousand? A million? Who cares?

The key is whether people with the disease is dying at a high rate outside Cheen. They are not. There are 191 cases outside Cheen and only one death.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51389490

The virus has spread overseas, with 25 nations confirming a total of 191 cases, although there has so far been only one death, in the Philippines.

[UlanBatori]

Ebola cases & deaths: Wiki Post:

As of 8 May 2016, the World Health Organization (WHO) and respective governments reported a total of 28,646 suspected cases and 11,323 deaths[23] (39.5%), though the WHO believes that this substantially understates the magnitude of the outbreak.[24][25]

3 Americans died, incl US citjen living in Liberia.
50% death rate does get the attention. But here it is 2% or less.
For Americans, the West Nile was worse:

About 2,000 people have died of West Nile virus in the United States since it was first detected in New York City in 1999.Jun 10, 2019

So again, note that no blanket quarantine was imposed on Yoo Ess despite 2000 deaths.

[Amber G.]

Per few news sources: Lawrence Livermore Lab researchers are exploring the basic building blocks of the coronavirus in hopes of blocking and treating it.


One link: https://t.co/pWYHDSAm5H?amp=1

LIVERMORE, Calif. (KGO) -- Deep inside the heavily protected Lawrence Livermore Lab complex scientists are trying to build a 3D model of the proteins that make up the structure of the coronovirus.

They hope doing that will provide researchers with a starting point for finding out what makes the virus tick and how to fight it.

Today, the Lab showed us the model they've come up with, colored in vivid red, green and blue. Part DNA double helix, part abstract sculpture.

"The new Coronavirus is not very well understood yet. The structure of the key protein we want to target is not yet known" says Daniel Faissol, part of the research team at Lawrence Livermore.

Thankfully, the team didn't have to start from scratch. The new Coronavirus' protein structure is a close cousin of the SARS virus that killed close to 800 people in the early 2000's. The structure of SARS is well known, so they're using that as a starting point.

They know it's not identical and refinements will have to be made. They're making those refinements using the Lab's own Sierra Supercomputer, the second most powerful in the world - capable of doing more calculations in 1 second than a human could do in 31 billion years.

[John]

Ebola cases & deaths: Wiki Post:

As of 8 May 2016, the World Health Organization (WHO) and respective governments reported a total of 28,646 suspected cases and 11,323 deaths[23] (39.5%), though the WHO believes that this substantially understates the magnitude of the outbreak.[24][25]

3 Americans died, incl US citjen living in Liberia.
50% death rate does get the attention. But here it is 2% or less.
For Americans, the West Nile was worse:

About 2,000 people have died of West Nile virus in the United States since it was first detected in New York City in 1999.Jun 10, 2019

So again, note that no blanket quarantine was imposed on Yoo Ess despite 2000 deaths.

Are you just trolling are seriously asking those questions? West Nile Virus is spread by mosquitoes what the heck is quarantine gonna do Do you have any idea how many people malaria kills a year.

[g.sarkar]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/04/pa ... belt-road/
Why Pakistan Is Resuming Flights to and From China
The cost of a so-called all-weather friendship.
BY RAVI AGRAWAL, KATHRYN SALAM | FEBRUARY 4, 2020.
Trade Together, Sneeze Together?
China and Pakistan have long described their close diplomatic and economic relationship in poetic terms. In 2010, former Pakistani Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani described the relationship as “higher than mountains, deeper than the ocean, stronger than steel, and sweeter than honey.” And Beijing has called Islamabad its “irreplaceable, all-weather friend.”
But Pakistan’s decision on Monday to resume flights to and from China—just three days after suspending them in response to the 2019-nCoV outbreak that originated in the central Chinese city of Wuhan—has drawn criticism. “We don’t have any facility to properly test suspected cases,” a medical expert in Islamabad told the South China Morning Post, questioning the wisdom of the move to reopen flights. Meanwhile, Pakistani authorities are confident their airport screening system is adequate.
The price of friendship. Pakistan’s decision highlights the different ways that countries are dealing with the coronavirus. The divergence may be linked to Beijing’s ability to put pressure on some countries and not others, as the New York Times reports. China called a U.S. entry ban “not in keeping with the facts” or “in keeping with friendship.” One can imagine why it would be difficult for Pakistan to continue to ban flights to and from its biggest arms supplier and investor.
Pakistan is also facing criticism over its decision not to evacuate its citizens from Wuhan. Once again, a Pakistani spokesman used a strange choice of words. “We stand by China in full solidarity,” said Zafar Mirza, a health official in Prime Minister Imran Khan’s government. “If we act irresponsibly and start evacuating people from there, this epidemic will spread all over the world like wildfire.”
Khan’s calculations. At the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, last month, FP editor in chief Jonathan Tepperman interviewed the Pakistani prime minister. Their exchange shed light on how Khan is constrained by China’s largesse:
JT: You’ve been very vocal about criticizing India’s treatment of its Muslims and the oppression of Muslims around the world, with one notable exception: China. Why have you been so quiet about the persecution of China’s Muslims in Xinjiang and elsewhere?
IK: Well, two reasons. One main reason is that the scale of what is going on in China—and frankly, I don’t know much about it, I just occasionally read about it—is nothing compared to what is happening in Kashmir.
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https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/sino-pa ... -epidemic/
Sino-Pakistan Relations Amid the Coronavirus Epidemic
The coronavirus outbreak revealed the weakest link in China-Pakistan relations: people-to-people ties.
By Eram Ashraf, February 04, 2020
The creation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), under which China plans to invest around $62 billion dollars in Pakistan, represents a “qualitative shift” in Sino-Pakistan relations, already touted officially as being “higher than the Himalayas…and sweeter than honey.” Alongside Chinese investments, the two countries have also seen an increase in the movement of people between them. These include Chinese workers linked to CPEC projects moving to Pakistan as well as students and entrepreneurs from Pakistan moving to China. It is this side of Sino-Pakistan relations, which involves citizens from both countries, that has come under great stress in recent days.
The global crisis created by the emergence of the novel Coronavirus 2019-nCoV in Wuhan city, capital of the central province of Hubei, China, has affected citizens from both countries along with the rest of the world. According to the latest data, in China so far 17,491 cases have been confirmed and 361 deaths reported (these figures are constantly changing).
Adding to worries over the outbreak, Wuhan, which has an approximate population of 11 million, hosts international students from various countries, including Pakistan. In Hubei province, where the virus originated, 21,371 international students have been registered.
China’s Ministry of Education (MOE) in 2018 reported a total of 492,185 international students in China from 196 countries who were pursuing studies in 1,004 higher education institutions. Out of these, 28,023 students were from Pakistan, the third-highest total of any country.
As the number of confirmed cases and death toll grew, the central government in China decided to take drastic steps to control the disease’s spread and put Wuhan under quarantine. What started out as restrictions on the movements of 11 million people soon progressed to the quarantine of at least 50 million to prevent the spread of the virus.
In light of the emerging situation, the United States arranged for its citizens to be flown out of Wuhan despite China’s efforts to contain the spread of the disease through quarantine. The United States was soon followed by other countries such as Japan, the United Kingdom, India, Bangladesh, and others.
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Gautam

[UlanBatori]

Mr. John: I assume that your resort to the word "trolling" refers to when I hold a mirror to the blatant bias of your posts.

Yes, malaria kills (i have not checked how many). The flu kills 12000 to 61000 per year. The West Nile virus killed 2000 in 2 years in the US. None of these have been used as rationalizations to impose boycotts, flight quarantines etc. All of these are based on something called Data. Facts.

So I asked why impose all these blockades when there is some passing bout that kills 300, or even 600 - just because it is in China or India. If you have logical answers, I am interested to see those, because the bias disturbs me as a human who thinks. May not apply to you.

[John]

Mr. John: I assume that the word "trolling" refers to when I hold a mirror to the blatant bias of your posts.
Yes, malaria kills (i have no checked how many). The flu kills 12000 to 61000 per year. The West killed 2000 in 2 years. None of these have been used as rationalizations to impose boycotts flight quarantines etc.
So I ask why do it when there is some passing bout that kills 300, or even 600 - just because it is in China or India.
This is blatant racist bias. You may not be able to see that, because the bias agrees with your views. Racists are usually blind their own racism, that is not surprising. Thanks.

BRF has an "ignore" feature. Please use it to avoid having your unquestionable brilliance polluted by my ignorant posts.
You want to state your points, do it. Try not to step on your own mijjile again please with your accusations of "trolling" whatever that is and your whining to admins to have me banned for disrupting your "flow".

Once again for hundredth time if there was no quarantine of Coronavirus this will kill hundreds of thousands with tens of million hospitalized and high chance it can mutate and become as lethal as SARS which could mean millions dead.

All signs are death toll are currently much higher than China is reporting. Stop going off on tangent with these random posts.

[UlanBatori]

Maybe you would like to put me in quarantine so that I don't pollute the purity of your convictions with questions, Massa?
Viruses no doubt are things that only travel on jet planes? Didn't exist before, say, 1990? How many virus attacks killed millions in the decades before that I wonder. Or is it permitted to wonder, instead of blindly following CNN?

[John]

Maybe you would like to put me in quarantine so that I don't pollute the purity of your convictions with questions, Massa?

I will be doing world a great favor

[UlanBatori]

Great to be able to amuse the easily-amused.

[John]

Maybe you would like to put me in quarantine so that I don't pollute the purity of your convictions with questions, Massa?
Viruses no doubt are things that only travel on jet planes? Didn't exist before, say, 1990? How many virus attacks killed millions in the decades before that I wonder. Or is it permitted to wonder, instead of blindly following CNN?

The media is rarely covering Coronavirus and buisness news channels are filled with analysts who are calling that it peaked, flu is more deadlier and we are all good. So it seems like you are the one blindly following them.

[UlanBatori]

And the feeding at the trough kicks into high gear:

House members pressed the briefers on what the government was doing to contain the outbreak, asking whether additional funding was needed.
The Department of Health and Human Services has notified lawmakers that it may need to transfer up to $136 million to help support the response, but it remains unclear how the money will be used and where the money would be transferred from.
“It raised all kinds of questions,” said Representative Nita M. Lowey, Democrat of New York and chairwoman of the House Appropriations Committee. “But from the people who briefed us, I think they’re on it, and I look forward to additional information.”
Other lawmakers sounded more skeptical.
“Bottom line: they aren’t taking this seriously enough,” Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, said on Twitter after leaving the briefing. “Notably, no request for ANY emergency funding, which is a big mistake. Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now.”

Its a virus right? How come it hasn't been blamed on KGB hackers I wonder.

[UlanBatori]

NYT:

His days are long, 12 hours crisscrossing the city and ferrying local residents to buy groceries, get medicine and go to the hospital. And the roads he travels are mostly empty with the city sealed off, public transportation shut down and private vehicles mostly banned in an effort to contain the coronavirus.
In his blue and white car, Zhang Lei is the rare sight on the streets of Wuhan.
During normal times, Mr. Zhang, 32, is a taxi driver in this Chinese city of 11 million at the epicenter of the outbreak. But after the local government abruptly locked down the city late last month, Mr. Zhang became one of the thousands of people who have volunteered to help ease transportation woes.
Mr. Zhang, who wears a powder blue protective suit, face mask and goggles when driving, is not permitted to transport residents suspected of having the virus. Ambulances are supposed to handle that. Most of his passengers are poor, older residents who don’t have children or whose families ares outside Wuhan and can’t come home because of the quarantine.
“It’s heartbreaking,” he says. “There is no one to take care of them.”
The free rides are arranged by neighborhood committees, which typically serve as a go-between for residents and the local government.
Mr. Zhang makes no effort to conceal the mixed motivations behind his altruism.
“Boredom!” he exclaimed on a recent afternoon, when asked why he decided to volunteer for the job, then quickly added: “Second, to serve the people. Everyone is cooped up at home all day, so I may as well do something to contribute to society.”
What’s it like to be trapped on a cruise

[g.sarkar]

Message for Johnji and UlanBatoriji:
ॐ द्यौः शान्तिरन्तरिक्षं शान्तिः
पृथिवी शान्तिरापः शान्तिरोषधयः शान्तिः ।
वनस्पतयः शान्तिर्विश्वेदेवाः शान्तिर्ब्रह्म शान्तिः
सर्वं शान्तिः शान्तिरेव शान्तिः सा मा शान्तिरेधि ॥
ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥
Brothers, let there be peace everywhere.
Gautam

[SRajesh]

Message for Johnji and UlanBatoriji:
ॐ द्यौः शान्तिरन्तरिक्षं शान्तिः
पृथिवी शान्तिरापः शान्तिरोषधयः शान्तिः ।
Brothers
Gautam

Hari Om! Hari Om!

[chetak]

[Bart S]

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/sino-pa ... -epidemic/
Sino-Pakistan Relations Amid the Coronavirus Epidemic
The coronavirus outbreak revealed the weakest link in China-Pakistan relations: people-to-people ties.
By Eram Ashraf, February 04, 2020
The creation of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)

China Porkistan Epidemic Corridor?

[Manish_P]

Doesn't matter that their forefathers nearly wiped out native populations in the Americas, Australias, .... since they were only bringing the Lord to the heathens unlike the Godless Chinese.

[madhu]

The media is rarely covering Coronavirus and buisness news channels are filled with analysts who are calling that it peaked, flu is more deadlier and we are all good. So it seems like you are the one blindly following them.

i dont think that we have hit peak. there is a very good paper that tells that the peak is expected to be around April. As per paper(which uses SIER), reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. (official fig 6000 )The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). transmissibility, the Wuhan epidemic would peak around April, 2020

on the other hand one question i have is, that the paper telling "75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020". these numbers look much closer to Tencent leaked data(154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths as on Feb 1). is my understanding correct?

[John]

The media is rarely covering Coronavirus and buisness news channels are filled with analysts who are calling that it peaked, flu is more deadlier and we are all good. So it seems like you are the one blindly following them.

i dont think that we have hit peak. there is a very good paper that tells that the peak is expected to be around April. As per paper(which uses SIER), reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. (official fig 6000 )The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). transmissibility, the Wuhan epidemic would peak around April, 2020

on the other hand one question i have is, that the paper telling "75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020". these numbers look much closer to Tencent leaked data(154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths as on Feb 1). is my understanding correct?

Yes makes sense but if there is coverup i doubt US or other West countries would come out and expose it, it serves in their interest to keep this thing deescalated so Wall Street bull run continues. China is even hiding financial data on the impact from this and telling firms not to publish any estimates. By the time companies ready to publish their Q1 i bet it would have hit its peak and start slowing down and some vaccine or medicine to effectively combat it is announced and Wall Street will forget about terrible financials and declare all is well & bull run will keep going We have saw similar patterns before remember 2008 when markets kept rallying inspite of people warning about the housing defaults (they almost got away with it too by they underestimated the impact of mortage backed securities).

Heck Reuters basically reported fake news about a major breakthru in China and there was a drug to combat this (the news likely planted by Hedge funds) and WHO made statement saying there is no such thing. No one cared about WHO announcement and people kept reporting the former and markets went up because of that including Shanghai composite.

[chola]

^^^ The market is going up because the external infection and death rate is miniscule.

If there were 750000 infected and 25000 deaths in Cheen and only 200 infected and one dead in the rest of the world then the disease had effectively been stopped at the borders of China. Only 0.0002% of the infection happened outside of Cheen and only 0.0004% of the deaths. The chances of people dying from this thing outside of Cheen is practically non-existent.

If Cheen is hiding even greater amounts of deaths in China then those percentages go even lower for the rest of the world. This disease has no real health impact on anyone except for Cheen. I hope they are covering up millions of infections and deaths in Cheen. But that would be too good to be true. lol

[UlanBatori]

Just some perspective amidst the mob frenzy pls?
1.Cheen has ~1.4B ppl. not counting the Pakis there because they seem to diss them too. That is 1400,000,000.
2. For a quick estimate using UBCN's famed "GUESS" estimation methods, let us assume that pop is uniformly distributed among the 8 decadal intervals between 0 and 80. And that all live until they fall off the edge of the 80 interval. So that means that in every ten years, 1/8 of the population dies.
3. That means 175 million die in 10 years, which means 17.5M die in 1 year. Let's say 18M.
4. That means 1.6M per month.
5. So in January, 1,600,000 cheen died.
6. Of whom 560 are SAID to have died from CV. Let us for a moment permit the 24,989 figure thrown around by the Lumol Mongels.
7. We read a report that the cheen govt is "covering up" CV deaths as being due to "heart failure, other organ failure, etc etc".
8. OK, but it could equally be the opposite: They smoke, drink the water and rooh-afza-ul-cheen, and they breathe Woohan air! They shop in the wonderfully clean and hygeinic markets, eat snakes and uncooked bats as delicacies, and this IS the Year Of The Party Chief Rat, so there may be special rat-feasts.
9. So if one were to take even a tiny fraction of the USUAL death rate due to flu, pneumonia, lung cancer, TB, food poisoning, cirhossis of the liver... and call them CV, you get a monstrous death toll. 25K is only 1.5% of the monthly toll!
10. Consider that our uniform distribution model does not account for the fact that more ppl may die in winter, esp. Jan-Feb. So if you take the Jan. deaths and subtract the Monthly Average based on annual deaths the difference can be easily sold to the easily-convinced that it is all CV! Confirmation bias.
11. IOW, January Death Toll in cheen may be 1,624,989.
12 A simple question: Per respected US Lawmakers who are of course perfectly informed, ppl dont' really know WHAT CV is , WHERE it came from, HOW it spreads, and WHAT kills it. All they know is that ppl are coming in with flu and cough, which deteriorate to severe lung problems, and then ppl die. Or get better slowly. Could fit any of the many other causes of death in January/February.

Last Jan I travelled on a US carrier which is by definition US territory and full of 400% pucca USDA-approved hot air. Next morning after arriving, woke up at 4:30AM realizing that I wasn't going to get up at 5AM and drive to work as planned: 102F fever. Despite the fastest imaginable intervention - on antibiotics b4 noon!!! (where I live, seeing a doc at such short notice is a miracle, forget getting home with medicines) the fever stayed that high for 2 or 3 days before eventually decreasing b4 I died. Left severe issues, not fully gone yet, maybe permanent effects. So WTH was that? I had all my regular shots including flu shot and taken all precautions. It was surely SOME virus. If that had happened this Jan I would be dead in quarantine.

Laugh all you want. It's only a matter of time b4 the same embargos are slapped on India. And the same giddy mob panic amplified by pompous idiots drives Indian economy down and puts half of us in quarantine camps.
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, etc.