India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020 - Part 2

[bala]

Arunachal Pradesh : why is China interested in this area. Tribes who live in Arunchal pradesh are tagin, nyishi and galo. These tribes have deep connection to those in lhasa, tibet. The Chinese are flanking Bhutan on the east and have G204 highway that passes near Doklam and reaches Batang La. Close by is Doka la and Gamochen where Indian army are stationed. There is a railway line being built from Sichuan province (chengdu is located in province) to Lhasa. The PLA will be using the railways.



Arunachal pradesh is strategic for India. Missiles placed there can target mainland china. If China takes Arunachal, then Bhutan is flanked on both sides. The Chicken Neck corridor of Siliguri is exposed and Nepal/BD are not exactly aligned with India. China will gain access to the North east (Nagaland and Manipur via Myanamar). BTW this area was used by the Brits for Poppy cultivation to flood the chinese with drugs.

On Siliguri & BD: 1971 war India & Indira made some strategic blunders post war. Siliguri area should have been widened and northern BD truncated. Also BD should have been given to the ruling dispensation with the caveat that they have no military or allow other nations military. Chittagong should have been made Indian Naval base. The high ranking officers of PA should have been detained and Kashmir settled once and for all. These are mistakes made post war.

[bala]

Understanding Eastern Arunachal Pradesh by Major General Rajiv Narayanan

watch from 19:00 onwards if you want to skip G20 discussion.

[Haresh]

Arunachal Pradesh : why is China interested in this area. Tribes who live in Arunchal pradesh are tagin, nyishi and galo. These tribes have deep connection to those in lhasa, tibet.

Tagin people

"Recent years have seen mass conversions among members of the local community into Christianity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagin_people

Nyishi people
"Christian missionaries began operating in Arunachal Pradesh in the 1950s"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyishi_people

The Galo tribe
"Though some of the Galos have converted to Christianity"
Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/features/l ... 31929.html

[Anoop]

No Way Taiwan Will Accept Reunification with China: General Naravane

[R Charan]

Tunnel Warfare Is Army’s Solution To Match China’s Defence

There has been a quantum jump in infrastructure development along our northern borders under the Narendra Modi government, particularly road communications and airfield upgrades. While the initial plan to improve border roads to achieve parity with China was conceived by the Congress-led UPA government in 2007, since 2014 the present government allocated a bigger budget and displayed tremendous drive in execution to extend these roads all the way to the Line of Actual Control. Chinese intrusions in April-May 2020 and the subsequent large-scale deployment of troops made it a compulsion.

https://www.defencenews.in/2023/09/tunn ... s-defence/

[Ashokk]

Unseen clip of a scuffle with the chinese.

https://twitter.com/OsintTV/status/1702529630803001847

[Rakesh]

India moves to secure key flashpoint at LAC
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 38706.html
29 September 2023

[fanne]

Kudus to Rohit Vats!! He had clearly delineated this approach in his various video. Finally getting done after 75 years of independence and I guess 60 years on congress non-rule!!

[Rakesh]

India & China to cut LAC troops in Ladakh for winter, aim not to bring back troops in summer
https://theprint.in/defence/india-china ... r/1800069/
12 Oct 2023

[Pratyush]

While i understand that wintering on the LAC is a difficult process.

How can we trust the PLA to uphold there end of the Bargain.

Or we are going to be faced with the sorry spectacle of Indian army trying to dislodge the PLA again next summer, right in the middle of our election season.

[Roop]

I don't know how credible this is, but I post it here FWIW:

Chinese Military Tells Xi Cant Fight I Xi Jinping and Rocket Force I Maj Gen Rajiv Narayanan I Aadi

[Pratyush]

The point is not if, PLA can fight.

The point is the absolutely massive 5th column within India led by one Rahul Gandhi. That will start jumping up and down, about PLA, being on the outskirts of Delhi.

Whereas in actual fact, the Indian army would have slaughtered the lot of PLA.

[mody]

India to build a new 55 Km road from Changchenmo to Tsogtsalu.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/pa ... 3f42&ei=12

Some of the more knowledgeable members can comment on the significance of this new road. Within the next 4-5 years the infrastructure on the Indian side, will almost be as good as the one on the Chinese side. Besides, the improvement in the infrastructure on the Indian side since 2019 will be quantum jump over what existed before 2019.
Plus given that the distance from our interiors and staging areas to the border is much shorter as compared to the Chinese, we will completely negate the infrastructure advantage that the Chinese have historically enjoyed.

[Y I Patel]

Taogatsalu is on the way to Kongka La and Karan Singh post. To PP 17 in other words. Seems like a new project that avoids Marsimik La. Huge development, but quite the norm nowadays for India! Bravo! Expect a glitzy video from @rvats now

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/172147 ... 51022?s=20 ---> The BRO achieves another milestone! The Border Roads personnel have completed the formidable task and created history with first set of vehicles reaching the holy Amarnath cave. The BRO, in recent years, has been aggressively building infrastructure to counter China. This one is an important step towards ensuring competitive national security.

[VinodTK]

How are Indian troops preparing for fourth consecutive winter at LAC amid standoff with China?
Hindustan Times

The Eastern Ladakh LAC stretches from Karakoram Pass to Chumar and temperatures can go down to -40 degrees celsius. If the temperatures don't kill you, the winds will. The wind chill situation is so bad is that the tank barrels freeze, ammunition doesn't work and equipment does not function. It is a very horrible workplace as far as the Indian Army is concerned.

It is the fourth year when the Indian Army is stationed to counter the Chinese transgression that started in May 2020. The Indian Army is prepared for it but there is a need for de-escalation. The Chinese are still not willing to come to those terms.

The Indian Army, the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) and the Indian Air Force have really upgraded the entire military infrastructure along the LAC. Initially, the Indian forces were pushed into countering the Chinese in May 2020. They are now prepared all along the 1597 km LAC, in Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh as well as the Barahouti plains and Uttarakhand

The Indian Army are in positions over Pangong Tso and positions dominating the Demchok and Chumar sectors, something which has never happened before. Twenty years ago, there was a situation when the Indian Army said we need to build roads. That situation has completely changed now. We have built roads, ammunition dumps, deployed troops at dominant positions along the LAC. Barring the weather and isolation of the place, the Indian Army is prepared to counter the PLA aggression which started four years ago.

How is India approaching the Bhutan-China border talks?
Bhutan and China have been in dialogue for some time to address the border issue. It intersects the Indian security concerns on the India-Bhutan-China tri-junction, which essentially means the Doklam plateau. The Doklam plateau overlooks the Siliguri corridor which is very sensitive to India. The Chinese have been intruding into the Bhutanese territory, particularly along the Amuchu which is the river that becomes Teesta when it comes to India.

The intrusions are going to create a lot of problems for India. Bhutan being a small happy kingdom does not have the force to handle China because of the latter being a superlative military power. China has told Bhutan that it is willing to concede the border in northern Bhutan. It has asked for eastern Bhutan border in turn. If that happens, the Indian Army positions will become vulnerable. This tussle is going on between Bhutan and China.

[R Charan]

Enhanced Intelligence Deployment Along China Frontier to Safeguard Against Transgressions
https://defence.in/threads/enhanced-int ... sions.379/
17 Nov 2023

In response to the escalating tensions and frequent border skirmishes, the Indian government is contemplating the deployment of intelligence officials along the China frontier in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim. The strategic move aims to provide timely alerts regarding potential transgression attempts by Chinese forces, according to sources from the Union home ministry.

[williams]

Enhanced Intelligence Deployment Along China Frontier to Safeguard Against Transgressions
https://defence.in/threads/enhanced-int ... sions.379/
17 Nov 2023

In response to the escalating tensions and frequent border skirmishes, the Indian government is contemplating the deployment of intelligence officials along the China frontier in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim. The strategic move aims to provide timely alerts regarding potential transgression attempts by Chinese forces, according to sources from the Union home ministry.

DDM? Why would they publicly announce such a thing and do this after 3 years?

[Ashokk]

https://twitter.com/_consecutive/status ... 5284546905

IA Western Command gallantry award ceremony has disclosed multiple ops on LAC which was not disclosed before.

Details from this public vid - https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXfV6CXDXmQ

Collating all in a (keeping the juiciest one for last)

1/6

On 7th Jan 2022, multiple PLA soldiers attacked IA post Shankar Tekri (probably in Tawang, A.P), manned by 8th Sikh LI.
Sep. Raman Singh in a hand-to-hand combat greviously injured 4 Chinese soldiers & snatched their rifles.

2/6

On 27th Nov 2022, ~50 PLA soldiers were trying to cross LAC & capture Atari Post. Nk. Sub. Baldev Singh led the charge against PLA, and while being greviously injured, managed to single-handedly injure ~15 Chinese soldiers, this foiling PLA's plan to capture the post.

3/6

[Date & Ops Details Hidden] Lt. Col. Pushmeet Singh (19 J&K Rifles) carried out patrol along LAC resulting in foiling plans of PLA, which led to a major standoff. Col. reinforced own positions & de-escalated situation after 2 days negotiation with local PLA commander.

4/6

On 16th Sep 2022, [Ops Details Hidden] Lt. Col. Yogesh Kumar Sati (31 Armoured Division) as part of Op. Snow Leopard, was tasked with a special mission at high altitute. Col. avoided detection by enemy & completed the mission successfully.

5/6 (This's one's Juicy)

During Op. Dorji (secret), Maj. Sourav Kumar (15 Btn Kumaon Regt) carried out multiple covert missions deep inside enemy (Chinese) territory. Covert patrol team occupied uncharted territory & establish covert surveillance post. for security of ...

5/6
Siliguri corridor (Chicken's neck). Maj. successfully executed Op. Dorji, stayed in enemy territory & passed crucial information.

[VinodTK]

StratNewsGlobal: India's Infra Thrust To Ladakh: Countering China & Pakistan
Cross Posting from the Roads thread
Hats off to the people working on the project; just looking at the roads & mountains makes your head spin.

[VinodTK]

Watch: Unverified Video Shows Indian Shepherds Pushing Back Chinese Soldiers At Ladakh Border
In an incident last week, Ladakhi shepherds exhibited extraordinary resilience in fending off Chinese soldiers attempting an illegal incursion into Indian territory in eastern Ladakh along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). The trespassing Chinese troops, accompanied by military vehicles, including a Dongfeng Mengshi light-armoured vehicle equipped with a remote-controlled weapon system (although unarmed), were spotted in an unconfirmed location.


In an incident last week, Ladakhi shepherds exhibited extraordinary resilience in fending off Chinese soldiers attempting an illegal incursion into Indian territory in eastern Ladakh along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). The trespassing Chinese troops, accompanied by military vehicles, including a Dongfeng Mengshi light-armoured vehicle equipped with a remote-controlled weapon system (although unarmed), were spotted in an unconfirmed location.

[Pratyush]

Hmmm, the question is why were the PLA movement not mirrored by the Indian army?

Personally, I am all for India, using shepherds to encroach on an unsettled frontier. So that a custom of grazing can be established. For claiming that land during any future settlement.

[NRao]

Highly sensetive video:

Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj lives on.

https://twitter.com/ImtiazMadmood/statu ... 7802220911

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1760489427267469315?s=20 ---> Defence Secretary Giridhar Aramane describes China as a “bully” against whom Indian forces are standing firm all along the frontier, while no breakthrough yet again in defusing the major troop face-offs at Depsang and Demchok in eastern Ladakh in latest round of military talks.

https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1760508551813030310?s=20 ---> Latest assessment shows China continues to forward deploy 50,000 - 60,000 troops with heavy weaponry in western (Ladakh) & central sectors (Uttarakhand, Himachal) of LAC as well as 90,000 soldiers in the eastern one (Sikkim, Arunachal).

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/rahulsinghx/status/1779722435535007914 ---> India to complete 2.7-km runway at the Nyoma airbase by Oct, a milestone in one of the most important projects near the contested border with China that will give the country’s forward infra push a shot in the arm, BRO chief Lt Gen Raghu Srinivasan said.

[Rakesh]

Click on link below for pictures...

https://x.com/NatureDesai/status/1782016953567330461 ---> In a significant development, Chinese road has breached the border at Aghil Pass (4805 meter) and entered the lower Shaksgam valley of Kashmir, India with the road-head now less than 30 miles from Siachen. This permanently answers the question of Shaksgam for India.

https://x.com/NatureDesai/status/1782016957430350230 ---> Aghil Pass served as the northern frontier of Kashmir and Sinkiang in bygone times. Here is the approach to Aghil Pass and recent imagery showing the Chinese road at the Aghil Pass. The change in the status quo in Tans-Karakoram is almost impossible to reverse.

https://x.com/NatureDesai/status/1782016961343541464 ---> Time-lapse showing Chinese road approaching Aghil Pass. It all started last summer and the basic trail was completed in early autumn. They have resumed further construction this month with construction approaching areas immediately north of India held Siachen Glacier.

https://x.com/NatureDesai/status/1782016964971700703 ---> Overview of the Shaksgam Valley relative to all important strategic areas in the North. As our neighbour approaches the Siachen glacier from the north while changing the status quo of the disputed Shaksgam valley, it's pragmatic to re-evaluate our strategic response.

[Ankit Desai]

Looks like India still holds few heights/territories after occupying them post Galwan !

from 33:20



-Ankit