Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

[Ashokk]

https://twitter.com/sidhant/status/1753401619818148269

Indian Navy warship INS Sharada foils yet another piracy attempt, this time as seven pirates take hostages on the Iranian-flagged vessel FV Omari. The INS Sharada successfully rescues 11 Iranian and 8 Pakistani nationals.

[SBajwa]

How many navy ships are out there ? Every other day a new target is intercepted by INS.

[Aditya G]

How many navy ships are out there ? Every other day a new target is intercepted by INS.

12 IN ships are deployed.
250 vessels have been investigated
40 boarded


Ref discussion on previous page-

It is a full fledged naval deployment on at the moment with capital warships, MQ-9Bs and Neptunes in sky. IFC-IOR pulling in all the intel centrally in Gurgaon. IN ships can pull fast at 25 knots+ to answer any call, use sensors to search and intercept the pirates and hijacked vessels. Where necessary apply kinetics to kill.

Can ICG pull off such an operation? that too outside it's area? people see pictures of MARCOS boarding ships in sunny waters and think "that looks easy", forgetting that USN recently lost 2 SEALs during boarding ops.

More importantly, "should" ICG be tasked for this operation? The most important contribution the service can do is to secure the Indian EEZ.

I am interested in this debate and would like to hear what others think.

[drnayar]

How many navy ships are out there ? Every other day a new target is intercepted by INS.

12 IN ships are deployed.
250 vessels have been investigated
40 boarded


Ref discussion on previous page-

It is a full fledged naval deployment on at the moment with capital warships, MQ-9Bs and Neptunes in sky. IFC-IOR pulling in all the intel centrally in Gurgaon. IN ships can pull fast at 25 knots+ to answer any call, use sensors to search and intercept the pirates and hijacked vessels. Where necessary apply kinetics to kill.

Can ICG pull off such an operation? that too outside it's area? people see pictures of MARCOS boarding ships in sunny waters and think "that looks easy", forgetting that USN recently lost 2 SEALs during boarding ops.

More importantly, "should" ICG be tasked for this operation? The most important contribution the service can do is to secure the Indian EEZ.

I am interested in this debate and would like to hear what others think.

No reason to think ICG can't but they would need support from IN in the form of sensors and drones but again short legged ships and no mandate to go that far.Come to think of it the Gurgaon center is connected to ICG as well. Also good to think of future ICG vessels as bigger more capable ones like the ones the Chinese have been building

[srai]

^^^
Read this article

55-60 ships ensure security every day: Coast Guard DG

Jan 31, 2024

The Indian Coast Guard is actively addressing the recent surge in piracy incidents by intensifying patrolling and leveraging advanced surveillance techniques, director general Rakesh Pal told ET, adding that on any given day, 55-60 surface assets are deployed at sea to ensure the safety of traffic.

Speaking ahead of the Coast Guard Day, the senior officer said suspicious vessels transiting the Indian exclusive economic zone (EEZ) are routinely boarded and searched, and coast guard ships have been deployed at a distance of 100-150 nautical miles along the coast for a swift response to any incident.

"We have to ensure that the ships and mariners passing through the Indian EEZ are convinced that the routes are absolutely safe and sound. Ships transiting our east-west corridor know that in case of any eventuality, there will be a swift response," the officer said.

He added that besides 55-60 ships at sea everyday, the coast guard also operates 10-12 aircraft and works in close coordination with the Indian Navy and other maritime agencies. "We have our eyes and ears everywhere and when we spot any suspicious vessel, we ensure it is boarded and checked," he said.

The director general said that several new platforms are being added to the coast guard to enhance its surveillance and interception capabilities and modern technologies like artificial intelligence-based predictive maintenance is being integrated.

He said most platforms and equipment being procured are from indigenous sources and a contract was signed recently for Rs 1,614 crore for the procurement of six next-generation offshore patrol vessels (NGOPVs) equipped with AI capabilities.

A contract for construction of 14 fast patrol vessels will be signed with Mazagaon Dockyard shortly and we are planning to induct two pollution control vessels and eight fast patrol vessels in the coming two years," he said.

The coast guard is also finalising the procurement of nine additional advanced light helicopters (ALH) and eight Dornier aircraft.

ICG is already very busy in the EEZ.

[Pratyush]

This ICG and IN discussion is misplaced because they are 2 different organisations with very different training, equipment and mandates.

They are both doing what they are supposed to do doing and at the moment, they are doing a great job. But as the challanges grow. With the present force levels, their ability to perform the same job will be compromised.

To me it's not either or, but both. The cost guard grew in size post 26/11. But the Navy needs to grow in size as well. Both in quantity and quality.

I am happy to note that the Navy has some great new designs on order. The quantity of the ships has to now increase.

[Manish_P]

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To me it's not either or, but both. The cost guard grew in size post 26/11. But the Navy needs to grow in size as well. Both in quantity and quality.
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+1

With a separate focus on USVs (optionally manned) - including larger size ones capable of long endurance.

And we need to expand access, facilities and assets at the naval base of Duqm in Oman

[MeshaVishwas]

All credits to the SL Navy on X/:--> https://twitter.com/srilanka_navy

The legends of the depth, for a reason :

PNS SAIF of the @PakistanNavy concluded her formal visit to #SriLanka & departed the island after a successful #PASSEX with SLNS Samudura of @srilanka_navy off Colombo 01 Feb.

INS Karanj – a submarine belonging to the @indiannavy arrived at the port of Colombo on a formal visit 03 February.

PNS Tippu Sultan of the @PakistanNavy departed the island after a successful #PASSEX with SLNS Gajabahu of @srilanka_navy 20 June.

Concluding the official visit, INS Vagir of the @indiannavy departed the island 22 June. @srilanka_navy bade customary farewell to the departing submarine at the port of Colombo.

[Rakesh]

All credits to the SL Navy on X/:--> https://twitter.com/srilanka_navy

Can you please put links to the images you post? Common Courtesy.

I have edited your post to include the link.

[Rakesh]

India's Handling of Red Sea Crisis Shows It Will Neither Stand Aside nor Take Sides
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/2024 ... fafcf50000
05 Feb 2024

[Rakesh]

Wanted: Act West 2.0
https://www.news9live.com/world/wanted- ... -0-2429512
05 Feb 2024

The polycrisis world and the current oceanic turmoil challenge India’s energy supplies and commerce to the world’s fastest-growing major economy.

[Shameek]

25T Bollard Pull (BP) Tug "Mahabali" delivered to #IndianNavy, #02Feb 24, in presence of RAdm Subir Mukherjee, ASY(Kochi).
Constructed by M/s Shoft Shipyard Pvt Ltd, an #MSME, the Tug is a proud flag bearer of @makeinindia initiative of GoI.

Link

[vonkabra]

Finally some news on the torpedo front:
Sources said the proposal to acquire Heavy Weight Torpedoes (HWT) is set to be discussed at the ministry shortly, with 48 of the weapons to be procured directly and an indigenous development path for a significantly higher quantity being discussed.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

[Rakesh]

Finally some news on the torpedo front:
Sources said the proposal to acquire Heavy Weight Torpedoes (HWT) is set to be discussed at the ministry shortly, with 48 of the weapons to be procured directly and an indigenous development path for a significantly higher quantity being discussed.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

About time! How long does it take to acquire torpedoes!!! Above link is behind a paywall, so here is another link.

Indian Navy looking to equip Kalvari submarines with torpedoes through indigenous, global routes
https://aninews.in/news/national/genera ... 208223405/
08 Feb 2024

[drnayar]

https://interestingengineering.com/in ... l-flooded

Australia’s school-bus sized 'smart' underwater war-drones 'will travel completely flooded'

These AUVs will have the ability to carry out operations on the ocean floor up to a depth of 6000 meters.

Wonder these technologies seem quite suited to Indian naval operations

[putnanja]

Defence ministry signs Rs 2,269-crore deal with Bharat Electronics Limited for the procurement of 11 Shakti warfare systems

"The Ministry of Defence has signed a contract with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), Hyderabad on February 13 for procurement of 11 Shakti Electronic Warfare Systems along with associated equipment/accessories for Indian Navy under Buy (Indian-IDDM) category at a total cost of Rs 2,269.54," the ministry said in a statement.

[NRao]

Kurta-pyjama to enter Navy messes as services shed 'vestiges of colonial era'

The Navy has issued orders to all its commands and establishments to allow officers and sailors to wear the “ethnic” attire of kurta-pyjamas, with sleeveless jackets and closed formal shoes or sandals, in officers’ messes and sailors’ institutes.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1757 ... 91128?s=20 ---> MoD and AWEIL (Advanced Weapons & Equipment India Limited) Kanpur signed a production and delivery contract for 463 “meticulously assembled” 12.7mm Stabilised Remote Control Guns (SRCG) designated for deployment by the Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard, encompassing a comprehensive expenditure of ₹1,752.13 crores.

https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1757717443349500222?s=20 ---> MoD signs ₹1,752 crore deal with AWEIL for 463 Stabilised Remote Control Guns for Indian Navy & Indian Coast Guard. The systems will have 85%+ indigenous content.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1757758041028767838?s=20 ---> Defence Minister Rajnath Singh to inaugurate a naval base at INS Jatayu (Minicoy Islands) in Lakshadweep around March 4 to 5, 2024.

[srai]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1757 ... 91128?s=20 ---> MoD and AWEIL (Advanced Weapons & Equipment India Limited) Kanpur signed a production and delivery contract for 463 “meticulously assembled” 12.7mm Stabilised Remote Control Guns (SRCG) designated for deployment by the Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard, encompassing a comprehensive expenditure of ₹1,752.13 crores.

https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1757717443349500222?s=20 ---> MoD signs ₹1,752 crore deal with AWEIL for 463 Stabilised Remote Control Guns for Indian Navy & Indian Coast Guard. The systems will have 85%+ indigenous content.

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Given how many Russian Black Sea fleet ships Ukraine has damaged and sunk using swarm of sea drone boats, Indian Navy and Coast Guard need plenty of these SRCG installed for close-in hard-kill protection.

Look at how defenseless a Russian missile ship was when the drones got in close. The ship was armed with 30mm CIWS but was not effective.

[srin]

^^^ Not sure how a 12.5mm gun would help if a 30mm cannon with proximity fused shells isn't able to. I have nothing against ships have 12.5mm guns, but they need to have multiple large calibre (30-35mm) CIWS to combat saturation attacks from air and sea. And may be some ATGMs too ....

Btw, as per Wiki, the ship Caesar Kunikov doesn't seem to be equipped with 30mm instead with 57mm guns. And the water impacts seemed like HMG instead of a 30mm.

[srai]

^^^
Once really close, you need these. For whatever reasons the 30mm CIWS didn’t work up close.

Ukrainian’s tend to use 7 sea drones as a group. Maybe some got destroyed but others got through. Two destroyed the engines and two rammed in the middle of the ship.

The above video is an attack on Tarantul class missile-corvette Ivanovets

[Yogi_G]

Kurta-pyjama to enter Navy messes as services shed 'vestiges of colonial era'

The Navy has issued orders to all its commands and establishments to allow officers and sailors to wear the “ethnic” attire of kurta-pyjamas, with sleeveless jackets and closed formal shoes or sandals, in officers’ messes and sailors’ institutes.

The Pyjama has central Asian/Turushka origins, the Kurta can be argued to be found in Bharath from much earlier even though at a later stage it returned to Bharath through the Turushkas, why is this BJP govt pushing down mongrel natured items in the name of Indianisation on us? Dhoti is common across Bharath, whats wrong with that?

[Manish_P]

^^^
Once really close, you need these. For whatever reasons the 30mm CIWS didn’t work up close.

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It's likely that it was not the caliber that was the problem.

It's the ability to detect early, track precisely and engage accurately in time that makes the difference.

Some take the pure volume of fire route (rotary CIWS), some opt for the spread (Rheinmetal 35 mm AHEAD rounds)

[srai]

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It's the ability to detect early, track precisely and engage accurately in time that makes the difference.
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Exactly!

Stabilised Remote Control Guns (SRCG) with sophisticated optics (night vision, IR, thermal, magnification, etc) operated manually remotely provides a good last ditch defense. Smaller caliber tend to work better at closer ranges.

Hastily mounted HMGs without any stabilization and night optics don’t provide the same accuracy that is required for last seconds defense. You can see in the video they had a chance to destroy a drone but missed a few times.

[Kersi]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1757 ... 91128?s=20 ---> MoD and AWEIL (Advanced Weapons & Equipment India Limited) Kanpur signed a production and delivery contract for 463 “meticulously assembled” 12.7mm Stabilised Remote Control Guns (SRCG) designated for deployment by the Indian Navy and the Indian Coast Guard, encompassing a comprehensive expenditure of ₹1,752.13 crores.

https://x.com/NewsIADN/status/1757717443349500222?s=20 ---> MoD signs ₹1,752 crore deal with AWEIL for 463 Stabilised Remote Control Guns for Indian Navy & Indian Coast Guard. The systems will have 85%+ indigenous content.

Looks like an typical anti-material gun

[prashantsharma]

Basically a 50mm Browning

[Manish_P]

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Hastily mounted HMGs without any stabilization and night optics don’t provide the same accuracy that is required for last seconds defense. You can see in the video they had a chance to destroy a drone but missed a few times.

Higher caliber doesn't necessarily mean that they cannot be stabilized. It requires more power & stronger mounts as they tend to be heavier. 120mm guns of MBTs like the Abrams, Leopard are also stabilized.

Stabilization & tracking being equal, a multi-barrel rotary canon able to spew 3000 rounds a minute will be more effective than a single barrel gun restricted to around 1500 rpm.

[prashantsharma]

Basically a 50mm Browning

Sorry, meant 0.5 inch Browning

[Rakesh]

Indian Navy’s DSRV Locates Long-Lost Pakistani Submarine Ghazi Off Vizag Coast
https://bharatshakti.in/indian-navys-ds ... zag-coast/
21 Feb 2024

[bala]

Indian Navy all set to buy 220 BrahMos extended-range missiles

The Cabinet Committee on Security has cleared Indian Navy’s proposals to buy 220 BrahMos extended-range missiles for its warships. The contract will be signed on March 05 and 220 BrahMos will be worth around Rs 20,000 crore. The extended-range BrahMos is speculated to have an extended range of around 800 km. This would be a major ‘Make in India’ success for the missile system built with Russia’s partnership. India’s BrahMos is a universal long-range supersonic cruise missile system that can be launched from land, sea, and air.

Feb 21, 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1TeoPHyiA

[Pratyush]

The approximate cost of the missiles is 90 crores a piece.

I was hoping for the costs to have started coming down as a result of mass production of the system.

[Rakesh]

Some more info on the Lanza 3D radar being fitted on Indian Navy surface vessels.

Indra installs the naval version of its Lanza 3D radar on one of the strategic ships of the Indian Navy
https://www.indracompany.com/es/noticia ... mada-india
17 May 2023

https://twitter.com/JamesBondMI6GB/stat ... 68193?s=20 ---> Lanza 3D L-band DADR installation on INS Nilgiri commences. Is capable of tracking tactical ballistic missiles.

Indra’s Lanza 3D radar passes NATO’s Tactical Ballistic Missile detection and tracking tests
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/indras-lanza ... king-tests
03 January 2022

https://twitter.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1 ... 29568?s=20 ---> Indra LANZA-N radar is *likely* being equipped on P15B ship Imphal (under trials) or INS Mysore (MLU), the only "destroyer ship" options. Either would be interesting given their sister ships have other newly installed ASRs. Tata will make most of these radars with ToT, more here:

Indian Navy Destroyer Fitted With Lanza-N 3D Radar
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -3d-radar/
19 May 2023

[titash]

Some more info on the Lanza 3D radar being fitted on Indian Navy surface vessels.

Indra installs the naval version of its Lanza 3D radar on one of the strategic ships of the Indian Navy
https://www.indracompany.com/es/noticia ... mada-india
17 May 2023

They're being installed on the Nilgiri Class frigates (which are of "destroyer" size anyways). The CGIs for the Nilgiri class show a planar array air search radar. The 3+4 Kolkata class will probably get them during their MLUs.

[Rakesh]

INS Mysore has reportedly got a Lanza radar installed. Saw a photo on twitter today, but I cannot seem to find the tweet any longer.

[drnayar]

Some more info on the Lanza 3D radar being fitted on Indian Navy surface vessels.

Indra installs the naval version of its Lanza 3D radar on one of the strategic ships of the Indian Navy
https://www.indracompany.com/es/noticia ... mada-india
17 May 2023

They're being installed on the Nilgiri Class frigates (which are of "destroyer" size anyways). The CGIs for the Nilgiri class show a planar array air search radar. The 3+4 Kolkata class will probably get them during their MLUs.

interesting, i would have thought the Visakhapatnam-class destroyers would have them as these are rumoured to have anti-ballistic missile capabilities with a LEO anti-satellite capability

[titash]

They're being installed on the Nilgiri Class frigates (which are of "destroyer" size anyways). The CGIs for the Nilgiri class show a planar array air search radar. The 3+4 Kolkata class will probably get them during their MLUs.

interesting, i would have thought the Visakhapatnam-class destroyers would have them as these are rumoured to have anti-ballistic missile capabilities with a LEO anti-satellite capability

Not possible.

The Standard SM-3 is ~ 1500 Kg and performs mid-course intercepts. The Barak-8 is a ESSM class lightweight 300 Kg missile. The ELTA STAR is also significantly smaller and lighter than the SPY-1

And given the current Pak-China threat perception, there's no need for a sea based ASBM. All incoming shots will be overland, and interceptions will be terminal-phase. Hence land-based ASBM.

[titash]

INS Mysore has reportedly got a Lanza radar installed. Saw a photo on twitter today, but I cannot seem to find the tweet any longer.

I saw the tweet had vanished. Please share if the pic reappears.

Doesn't make much sense to put the new radars on the Delhi Class MLUs...they aren't even upgrading the Fregat/Shtil combo. I guess (1) the ships were refurbished, (2) Uran was replaced by Brahmos, (3) AK100 & Radar was replaced by OTO 76mm & BEL Lynx. It's even hard to tell if the Half-Plate/SA-N-7 (older version Fregat-Shtil combo) was updated to the Top-Plate/SA-N-12 as on Talwar/Shivalik

I don't see a detailed press statement talking about HUMSA-NG/ACTAS installations etc. Best to assume these are now considered second-rate ships.

[chetak]

INS Mysore has reportedly got a Lanza radar installed. Saw a photo on twitter today, but I cannot seem to find the tweet any longer.

I saw the tweet had vanished. Please share if the pic reappears.

Doesn't make much sense to put the new radars on the Delhi Class MLUs...they aren't even upgrading the Fregat/Shtil combo. I guess (1) the ships were refurbished, (2) Uran was replaced by Brahmos, (3) AK100 & Radar was replaced by OTO 76mm & BEL Lynx. It's even hard to tell if the Half-Plate/SA-N-7 (older version Fregat-Shtil combo) was updated to the Top-Plate/SA-N-12 as on Talwar/Shivalik

I don't see a detailed press statement talking about HUMSA-NG/ACTAS installations etc. Best to assume these are now considered second-rate ships.

Titash ji,

you may have to wait awhile.

All links are here https://twitter.com/search?q=Lanza%20ra ... head_click

It looks like their attentions may be engaged elsewhere



but still, and since you asked......, here you go titash ji, ..... enjoy.....

#TATA & #INDRA has installed the first Lanza-3D naval radar on an #IndianNavy warship.

Lanza-3D has a range of around 450 km. A total of 23 such radars will be installed on the surface combatants of the Indian Navy.



TATA Power SED to make 23 Long Range Air Surveillance Radars for Indian Navy under 'Buy-and-Make' category. Radars are from INDRA Sistemas of Spain; most likely Medium Range Radar (MRR) from 3D LANZA Radar family. Seen here on Juan Carlos-1 Landing Helicopter Dock of Spanish Navy



TATA-Indra Sistemas Manufactured LANZA 3D C/D Air Surveillance Radars (#ASR)

- 50% indigenisation content manufacturing by value.
The LANZA 3D Air Surveillance Radar is a multi-scenario, multi-threat adaptive radar that combines major advances in planar array, solid-state

[chetak]

X posted from the Indian interests thread

The GoI is augmenting India's strategic naval assets and building critical resources to safeguard her maritime interests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uExmKS3tacM

China Does NOT Like What India is Doing Here..!



Jan 26, 2024

INS Baaz, INS Kohasa, INS Jarawa, and INS Utkrosh are among the 7 Indian Military bases on the Andaman and Nicobar islands operated by India. The country is currently upgrading these facilities to deal with India-China tensions in Indian Ocean region.

India's plan to possible blockade China's maritime trade routes passing through the Malacca Strait in the Andaman Sea in case of a war. This gives India a significant advantage to project its geopolitical power in the South East Asian Region. This strategy has become significantly important after the recent India Maldives Controversy, Maldives news have been doing rounds on the media.