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Terroristan - April 15, 2021
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Yessir, used to be an open secret when our former former former US military strategists were using the uniformed jihadis to arm the Mujahideen against them godless Soviets. Now that we need the Injuns against them godless Chinese we can say it openly. 
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anupmisra wrote:Paki deaf and dumb foras are saying it's a JF-17B. Two chutes were seen.Aditya_V wrote:Looks like JF-17B variant inducted last year
Second doosra banda
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Typical Baki style bragging
Yawn - US eases travel restrictions for Pakistan
Yawn - US eases travel restrictions for Pakistan
The US State Department has revised its travel advisory for Pakistan, upgrading it from "no travel" to "avoid unnecessary travel"
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Fun on in paki media. Some claiming their guy missed out on a medal because he fouled up his last throw (as if he could have thrown a record throw otherwise), while some claiming a share of the glory since a fellow 'punjabi' won.
And of course the usual suspects who are happily proclaiming it as a win for South Asia.
And of course the usual suspects who are happily proclaiming it as a win for South Asia.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Why are they celebrating Indian wins? Shouldn't they be celebrating Chinese wins? They are on top of the world, and SDRE India is nothing!
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Same reason they call their restaurants as Indian restaurants instead of Chinese, When you ask them why call Indian? they will shamelessly comeup with a connection like oh my nani was from India or by grandpa went to AMU for studies, Any small figment like my plane flew over India once and that make me Indian kind of argument. They day Paki land folds up they will pull out old documents with Indian connection and come begging at bordersudarshan wrote:Why are they celebrating Indian wins? Shouldn't they be celebrating Chinese wins? They are on top of the world, and SDRE India is nothing!
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Pakistan railways put an excess charge of 10% on non vaccinated Abduls travelling from Sep1. Railways employees not vaccinated will not be paid salary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G85JrxNpe-Q
Harami link for reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G85JrxNpe-Q
Harami link for reference.
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don't they know the difference between a punjabi and a pakjabiManish_P wrote:Fun on in paki media. Some claiming their guy missed out on a medal because he fouled up his last throw (as if he could have thrown a record throw otherwise), while some claiming a share of the glory since a fellow 'punjabi' won.
And of course the usual suspects who are happily proclaiming it as a win for South Asia.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Maybe we should let the pakis know that Neeraj is a sanghi, then they'll also disown him (Punjabi or not - wonder how the Sindhis and Baluchis feel about that BTW). After that, we can enjoy his victory all to ourselvesBrad Goodman wrote: Same reason they call their restaurants as Indian restaurants instead of Chinese, When you ask them why call Indian? they will shamelessly comeup with a connection like oh my nani was from India or by grandpa went to AMU for studies, Any small figment like my plane flew over India once and that make me Indian kind of argument. They day Paki land folds up they will pull out old documents with Indian connection and come begging at border
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Reminiscent of the pakis disowning their nobel-winning Ahmediya nuclear physicist, I guess.chetak wrote:and the woke SM reactions to chopra
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Some Pakistanis are celebrating a win for a Panjabi, as are some Indians.
I would like a Tamil Hindu to claim this a win for the Hindu quom. Then lets see the accusations of atavistic tribalism.
Rule of thumb: Muslims and Sikhs of Panjab can be tribal, never the Hindu.
I would like a Tamil Hindu to claim this a win for the Hindu quom. Then lets see the accusations of atavistic tribalism.
Rule of thumb: Muslims and Sikhs of Panjab can be tribal, never the Hindu.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... ghanistan/
Order from Chaos
An uneasy limbo for US-Pakistan relations amidst the withdrawal from Afghanistan
Madiha Afzal Friday, August 6, 2021
Six months into the Biden administration, amid the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and increasing violence on the ground there, the U.S.-Pakistan relationship stands in uneasy limbo. Pakistan has indicated repeatedly that it wants the relationship to be defined more broadly than with regard to Afghanistan — especially based on “geo-economics,” its favored current catch-all for trade, investment, and connectivity — and has insisted that it doesn’t want failures in Afghanistan to be blamed on Pakistan. At the same time the U.S. has made it clear that it expects Pakistan to “do more” on Afghanistan in terms of pushing the Taliban toward a peace agreement with the Afghan government. Pakistan responds that it has exhausted its leverage over the Taliban. The result is a relationship with the Biden administration that has been defined by Pakistan’s western neighbor, as has been the case for U.S.-Pakistan relations for much of the last 40 years. And the situation in Afghanistan may define the future of the relationship as well.
What Pakistan wants
Pakistan’s official stance is that it would prefer a peaceful outcome in Afghanistan, some sort of a power-sharing arrangement reached after an intra-Afghan peace deal. Many are skeptical of this given Pakistan’s support of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in the 1990s, and the sanctuary the group later found in Pakistan. But Pakistan argues that a protracted civil war in Afghanistan would be disastrous for it, on three dimensions: First, insecurity from Afghanistan would spill over into Pakistan. Second, Pakistan fears that this would set up space for the resurgence of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a group responsible for killing tens of thousands of Pakistani civilians and attacking the country’s army, security forces, and politicians. Third, this would increase the amount of refugee flows to Pakistan (which has hosted millions of Afghan refugees since the 1990s, including 3 million at present), which it can’t afford. These are well-founded fears.
Pakistan is less clear about what a Taliban military victory would mean for it, but discusses it in the same vein as the possibility of civil war in Afghanistan. The implication, presumably, is that the road to a comprehensive Taliban military victory would be violent, setting up many of the same concerns identified above. As part of the Extended “Troika” on Peaceful Settlement in Afghanistan — which also includes the U.S., China, and Russia — Pakistan has signed a statement saying a Taliban emirate would be unacceptable to it.
What Pakistan doesn’t discuss openly is this central tension: Pakistan has long treated the Afghan Taliban as friends — preferring them to Pashtun nationalists (which it viewed as threatening, fearing that they would mobilize Pashtuns on the Pakistani side of the border as well) and to the current Afghan government (which it sees as friendly with India) — while the Afghan Taliban’s friend and ideological twin, the TTP, has posed an existential threat to Pakistan and killed tens of thousands of Pakistanis. This tension is clearly making Pakistan nervous. Pakistan routed the TTP in military operations starting in 2014, but many of them sought refuge across the border in Afghanistan, and have been regrouping since last year. The Afghan Taliban’s potential rise in Afghanistan will almost certainly embolden the TTP, and threatens to engulf Pakistan in the kind of violence it experienced between 2007 and 2015. There’s some speculation that Pakistan could work out a deal with the Afghan Taliban to constrain the TTP, but even if it comes to pass, there is a real question of how effective it would be.This tension is not apparent to Pakistan’s public. You’ll see Pakistanis being supportive of the Afghan Taliban and against the TTP, because the Pakistani state has obfuscated the connections between the two groups. The only time top officials have admitted to these recently is behind closed doors, when the army chief and the head of the military intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) called the Afghan Taliban and the TTP “two faces of the same coin.”
Amid the increased violence in Afghanistan, with fingers being pointed at Pakistan’s relationship with Taliban, Pakistan has been trying to distance itself from the group. Prime Minister Imran Khan recently said that Pakistan doesn’t speak for the Taliban, nor is it responsible for it. Pakistan argues that a “rushed” U.S. withdrawal before peace talks has set the stage for the current situation. Khan has said that the Taliban’s battlefield victories render moot any leverage Pakistan could have over it. He’s even disingenuously argued that the Taliban are hiding among Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
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Gautam
Order from Chaos
An uneasy limbo for US-Pakistan relations amidst the withdrawal from Afghanistan
Madiha Afzal Friday, August 6, 2021
Six months into the Biden administration, amid the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and increasing violence on the ground there, the U.S.-Pakistan relationship stands in uneasy limbo. Pakistan has indicated repeatedly that it wants the relationship to be defined more broadly than with regard to Afghanistan — especially based on “geo-economics,” its favored current catch-all for trade, investment, and connectivity — and has insisted that it doesn’t want failures in Afghanistan to be blamed on Pakistan. At the same time the U.S. has made it clear that it expects Pakistan to “do more” on Afghanistan in terms of pushing the Taliban toward a peace agreement with the Afghan government. Pakistan responds that it has exhausted its leverage over the Taliban. The result is a relationship with the Biden administration that has been defined by Pakistan’s western neighbor, as has been the case for U.S.-Pakistan relations for much of the last 40 years. And the situation in Afghanistan may define the future of the relationship as well.
What Pakistan wants
Pakistan’s official stance is that it would prefer a peaceful outcome in Afghanistan, some sort of a power-sharing arrangement reached after an intra-Afghan peace deal. Many are skeptical of this given Pakistan’s support of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in the 1990s, and the sanctuary the group later found in Pakistan. But Pakistan argues that a protracted civil war in Afghanistan would be disastrous for it, on three dimensions: First, insecurity from Afghanistan would spill over into Pakistan. Second, Pakistan fears that this would set up space for the resurgence of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a group responsible for killing tens of thousands of Pakistani civilians and attacking the country’s army, security forces, and politicians. Third, this would increase the amount of refugee flows to Pakistan (which has hosted millions of Afghan refugees since the 1990s, including 3 million at present), which it can’t afford. These are well-founded fears.
Pakistan is less clear about what a Taliban military victory would mean for it, but discusses it in the same vein as the possibility of civil war in Afghanistan. The implication, presumably, is that the road to a comprehensive Taliban military victory would be violent, setting up many of the same concerns identified above. As part of the Extended “Troika” on Peaceful Settlement in Afghanistan — which also includes the U.S., China, and Russia — Pakistan has signed a statement saying a Taliban emirate would be unacceptable to it.
What Pakistan doesn’t discuss openly is this central tension: Pakistan has long treated the Afghan Taliban as friends — preferring them to Pashtun nationalists (which it viewed as threatening, fearing that they would mobilize Pashtuns on the Pakistani side of the border as well) and to the current Afghan government (which it sees as friendly with India) — while the Afghan Taliban’s friend and ideological twin, the TTP, has posed an existential threat to Pakistan and killed tens of thousands of Pakistanis. This tension is clearly making Pakistan nervous. Pakistan routed the TTP in military operations starting in 2014, but many of them sought refuge across the border in Afghanistan, and have been regrouping since last year. The Afghan Taliban’s potential rise in Afghanistan will almost certainly embolden the TTP, and threatens to engulf Pakistan in the kind of violence it experienced between 2007 and 2015. There’s some speculation that Pakistan could work out a deal with the Afghan Taliban to constrain the TTP, but even if it comes to pass, there is a real question of how effective it would be.This tension is not apparent to Pakistan’s public. You’ll see Pakistanis being supportive of the Afghan Taliban and against the TTP, because the Pakistani state has obfuscated the connections between the two groups. The only time top officials have admitted to these recently is behind closed doors, when the army chief and the head of the military intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) called the Afghan Taliban and the TTP “two faces of the same coin.”
Amid the increased violence in Afghanistan, with fingers being pointed at Pakistan’s relationship with Taliban, Pakistan has been trying to distance itself from the group. Prime Minister Imran Khan recently said that Pakistan doesn’t speak for the Taliban, nor is it responsible for it. Pakistan argues that a “rushed” U.S. withdrawal before peace talks has set the stage for the current situation. Khan has said that the Taliban’s battlefield victories render moot any leverage Pakistan could have over it. He’s even disingenuously argued that the Taliban are hiding among Afghan refugees in Pakistan.
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/08/06/pa ... rst-enemy/
How Pakistan Could Become Biden’s Worst Enemy
The United States is banking on Islamabad to broker successful peace talks with the Taliban. That’s not likely to happen.
Michael Hirsh, August 6, 2021
In a gamble pitting hope against history, U.S. President Joe Biden and his team are banking that the resurgent Taliban will agree to a negotiated peace deal in Afghanistan and the militant group’s longtime state sponsor, Pakistan, will press them to share power with the Afghan government.
But many experts say such hopes are delusional, and history will likely triumph in the end: Pakistan and the Taliban leadership—which is still headquartered in Pakistan—will continue to have each other’s backs on the battlefield as well as at the negotiating table. In short, Pakistan wants the Taliban to win—or at least is unwilling to do much to prevent this from happening.
“Pakistan is supporting the Taliban’s offensive. Without Pakistani logistical support, the Taliban could not undertake the massive nationwide attack it is pursuing,” said Bruce Riedel, who served as a senior advisor on South Asia and the Middle East to four U.S. presidents. “The ISI [Pakistan’s powerful intelligence service] is already pleased it has ejected all the foreign troops from Afghanistan. The goal now is to induce panic in the Afghan government and army.”
The Biden team’s argument is that, even with the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, neither the Taliban nor Islamabad desire a repeat of the bloody history that led up to 9/11: Taliban atrocities, sanctions, massive refugee flows, and international isolation for both countries. Taliban leaders and Pakistani officials have said so themselves recently, as has the United States’ lead negotiator, Zalmay Khalilzad.
“The Taliban said they do not want to be a pariah state,” Khalilzad said Tuesday at the Aspen Security Forum. “They want to be recognized. They want to receive assistance.”
But this rhetorical moderation doesn’t square with the facts on the ground. Despite presenting themselves as diplomats on the world stage since peace talks with the Americans began in 2020, the Taliban are resuming their brutal past practices as they move into major Afghan cities, such as Kandahar (Afghanistan’s second biggest city after Kabul), Lashkar Gah, and Herat. This week, even the U.S. government acknowledged that reality. “In Spin Boldak, Kandahar, the Taliban massacred dozens of civilians in revenge killings,” the U.S. Embassy in Kabul tweeted on Monday. “These murders could constitute war crimes; they must be investigated & those Taliban fighters or commanders responsible held accountable.”
Over the past decade or so, Pakistan supported the Taliban even in the face of a U.S.-led, 46-nation coalition backing up the elected Afghan government in Kabul. That policy is less likely to change now, with the U.S. military and NATO leaving and the Afghan government under assault and losing credibility fast. And faced with a hostile, aggressive India under its nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, Pakistan is more motivated than ever to support Islamist insurgents in Afghanistan seeking to counterbalance New Delhi’s influence in the region. Islamabad fears a strong Afghan government aligned with India and the West could spell the encirclement of Pakistan.
Peace talks, meanwhile, appear to be going nowhere, since neither the Taliban nor Afghan President Ashraf Ghani are willing to negotiate with each other, with each side claiming legitimacy as rightful rulers. In the middle of it all sits Pakistan, which still has significant—if waning—influence with the Taliban, since it harbors many of the group’s leaders and their families. In a series of talks in Washington this week, Pakistani National Security Advisor Moeed Yusuf said he reached a “meeting of minds” with his U.S. counterpart, Jake Sullivan, on the need for a political settlement. “We will not accept a forceful takeover” of Afghanistan, Yusuf asserted.
Yet that is what the Taliban intend, some longtime observers say, and Islamabad is not likely to stand in their way. “It’s frankly idiotic to think that this is somehow a softer, gentler Taliban than the one of 2001. If anything this is a harder, harsher Taliban,” said former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker. “After 20 years in the wilderness, the Taliban are finally getting their game back. They’re not interested in talking to anybody unless it’s about terms of surrender for the Afghan government.”
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Gautam
How Pakistan Could Become Biden’s Worst Enemy
The United States is banking on Islamabad to broker successful peace talks with the Taliban. That’s not likely to happen.
Michael Hirsh, August 6, 2021
In a gamble pitting hope against history, U.S. President Joe Biden and his team are banking that the resurgent Taliban will agree to a negotiated peace deal in Afghanistan and the militant group’s longtime state sponsor, Pakistan, will press them to share power with the Afghan government.
But many experts say such hopes are delusional, and history will likely triumph in the end: Pakistan and the Taliban leadership—which is still headquartered in Pakistan—will continue to have each other’s backs on the battlefield as well as at the negotiating table. In short, Pakistan wants the Taliban to win—or at least is unwilling to do much to prevent this from happening.
“Pakistan is supporting the Taliban’s offensive. Without Pakistani logistical support, the Taliban could not undertake the massive nationwide attack it is pursuing,” said Bruce Riedel, who served as a senior advisor on South Asia and the Middle East to four U.S. presidents. “The ISI [Pakistan’s powerful intelligence service] is already pleased it has ejected all the foreign troops from Afghanistan. The goal now is to induce panic in the Afghan government and army.”
The Biden team’s argument is that, even with the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, neither the Taliban nor Islamabad desire a repeat of the bloody history that led up to 9/11: Taliban atrocities, sanctions, massive refugee flows, and international isolation for both countries. Taliban leaders and Pakistani officials have said so themselves recently, as has the United States’ lead negotiator, Zalmay Khalilzad.
“The Taliban said they do not want to be a pariah state,” Khalilzad said Tuesday at the Aspen Security Forum. “They want to be recognized. They want to receive assistance.”
But this rhetorical moderation doesn’t square with the facts on the ground. Despite presenting themselves as diplomats on the world stage since peace talks with the Americans began in 2020, the Taliban are resuming their brutal past practices as they move into major Afghan cities, such as Kandahar (Afghanistan’s second biggest city after Kabul), Lashkar Gah, and Herat. This week, even the U.S. government acknowledged that reality. “In Spin Boldak, Kandahar, the Taliban massacred dozens of civilians in revenge killings,” the U.S. Embassy in Kabul tweeted on Monday. “These murders could constitute war crimes; they must be investigated & those Taliban fighters or commanders responsible held accountable.”
Over the past decade or so, Pakistan supported the Taliban even in the face of a U.S.-led, 46-nation coalition backing up the elected Afghan government in Kabul. That policy is less likely to change now, with the U.S. military and NATO leaving and the Afghan government under assault and losing credibility fast. And faced with a hostile, aggressive India under its nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, Pakistan is more motivated than ever to support Islamist insurgents in Afghanistan seeking to counterbalance New Delhi’s influence in the region. Islamabad fears a strong Afghan government aligned with India and the West could spell the encirclement of Pakistan.
Peace talks, meanwhile, appear to be going nowhere, since neither the Taliban nor Afghan President Ashraf Ghani are willing to negotiate with each other, with each side claiming legitimacy as rightful rulers. In the middle of it all sits Pakistan, which still has significant—if waning—influence with the Taliban, since it harbors many of the group’s leaders and their families. In a series of talks in Washington this week, Pakistani National Security Advisor Moeed Yusuf said he reached a “meeting of minds” with his U.S. counterpart, Jake Sullivan, on the need for a political settlement. “We will not accept a forceful takeover” of Afghanistan, Yusuf asserted.
Yet that is what the Taliban intend, some longtime observers say, and Islamabad is not likely to stand in their way. “It’s frankly idiotic to think that this is somehow a softer, gentler Taliban than the one of 2001. If anything this is a harder, harsher Taliban,” said former U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker. “After 20 years in the wilderness, the Taliban are finally getting their game back. They’re not interested in talking to anybody unless it’s about terms of surrender for the Afghan government.”
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Our guy is a Maratha. Ancestors settled near panipat after fighting for India in third battle. Real surname is Kopra,chetak wrote:don't they know the difference between a punjabi and a pakjabiManish_P wrote:Fun on in paki media. Some claiming their guy missed out on a medal because he fouled up his last throw (as if he could have thrown a record throw otherwise), while some claiming a share of the glory since a fellow 'punjabi' won.
And of course the usual suspects who are happily proclaiming it as a win for South Asia.
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https://www.hindustantimes.com/brunch/p ... eJRhP.htmlAliya wrote:Our guy is a Maratha. Ancestors settled near panipat after fighting for India in third battle. Real surname is Kopra,chetak wrote:
don't they know the difference between a punjabi and a pakjabi
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Time for Shri. Sanjay Raut to chime in and claim him in the name of Maharashtra.
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WTF, these are Hindus who migrated from pakistan in 1947. Every Village in Haryana have few houses of these "Punjabis". They were given agricultural land. They opened first shops in Haryana villages and then migrated to cities. They were given houses of muslim who migrated. They brought Ramlila, Kiryana shops, animal care, satsang to our villages. In fact CM Khatter is also one of them.TO HELL WITH THIS MARATHA STORIES.Manish_P wrote:Time for Shri. Sanjay Raut to chime in and claim him in the name of Maharashtra.
One more thing for people who never lived in Haryana villages. These Hindus are divided in Sialkoti , Multani etc. They were helped by Haryanvi people in setteling in villages. lot of people helped them in starting there first shop. We had 10-11 families of Batras. We bought agricultural land in village of Chandi. It used to me a muslim village and now it is a 100% Punjabi village. I know these facts as I grew among these things. Haryanvi Jatts call them "Punjabee ". Actually it is an derogatory terms. Even in college if you call some one Punjabi Putar, it mens the guy is weak,not hardy and has unjatt qualities. PUnjabee in Haryanvi village is not same as Sikh Punjabis from Punjab. Even in cities they have their colonies. In Rohtak cities they were settled in camps. There is still area of camp in Rohtak. It was Dharvi of Rohtak. It is full of Chaddas and Batras. In Bajwa Sarr can add more on this.
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we fighting over if niraj belongs to punjabi or maratha? BIF doesnt need any sleeper cells.
can we please give it a rest? the guy is an Indian. he got all the training facilities from the army. how much more indian can he be?
can we please give it a rest? the guy is an Indian. he got all the training facilities from the army. how much more indian can he be?
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... n-hit-list
Dissident Pakistani exiles in UK ‘on hit list’
Critics of country’s military told by Met police of plots against them as security forces fear there may be an attack in Britain
"British security sources are understood to be concerned that Pakistan, a strong UK ally – particularly on intelligence issues – might be prepared to target individuals on British soil".
Dissident Pakistani exiles in UK ‘on hit list’
Critics of country’s military told by Met police of plots against them as security forces fear there may be an attack in Britain
"British security sources are understood to be concerned that Pakistan, a strong UK ally – particularly on intelligence issues – might be prepared to target individuals on British soil".
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
I wonder who and what is guarded by The Guardian.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
rsingh wrote:WTF, these are Hindus who migrated from pakistan in 1947. Every Village in Haryana have few houses of these "Punjabis". They were given agricultural land. They opened first shops in Haryana villages and then migrated to cities. They were given houses of muslim who migrated. They brought Ramlila, Kiryana shops, animal care, satsang to our villages. In fact CM Khatter is also one of them.TO HELL WITH THIS MARATHA STORIES.Manish_P wrote:Time for Shri. Sanjay Raut to chime in and claim him in the name of Maharashtra.
One more thing for people who never lived in Haryana villages. These Hindus are divided in Sialkoti , Multani etc. They were helped by Haryanvi people in setteling in villages. lot of people helped them in starting there first shop. We had 10-11 families of Batras. We bought agricultural land in village of Chandi. It used to me a muslim village and now it is a 100% Punjabi village. I know these facts as I grew among these things. Haryanvi Jatts call them "Punjabee ". Actually it is an derogatory terms. Even in college if you call some one Punjabi Putar, it mens the guy is weak,not hardy and has unjatt qualities. PUnjabee in Haryanvi village is not same as Sikh Punjabis from Punjab. Even in cities they have their colonies. In Rohtak cities they were settled in camps. There is still area of camp in Rohtak. It was Dharvi of Rohtak. It is full of Chaddas and Batras. In Bajwa Sarr can add more on this.
Few years after partition government decided to settle migrated people as per their original district before Hrayana, Himachal were made. Sheikhupura district people were settled in Karnal, Multan in Faridabad, my family in Gurdaspur from sialkote., depending upon where muslims have left properties. Later some sold the alloted land and moved to other cities., etc. Even today all allover Haryana you will see Punjabis and Haryanvis living side by side in same villages. Most Punjabis have assimilated into Haryanvi culture and vice versa. Cricket hero Kapil dev Nikhanj is another punjabi whose family sold the alloted land and moved to Chandigarh early on.
Neeraj is Subedar Neeraj Chopra of 4th Rajputana Rifles. He is Indian first just watch how he folded Tiranga after the victory lap.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Blast in a 5-star hotel (well, a five star hotel by baki standards atleast!) in Quetta. Injuries reported but no news on casualties yet. My gut feeling tells me that baki Punjab will once again see militancy rise once Afghanistan fully goes under the barbarian telibunnies.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
^Most likely will be passed off as Sui Gas pipeline burst.
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Juts check the blatant and deperate attempt by the Porkistani Minister to spin a lie (Never mind she looks straight out of Lahore's Hira Mandi) that in UK pakistani's are ahead of Indians. At 7:00 onward she says that Pakistanis are more vibrant, Business oriented and per capita income wise they are ahead of Indians.
Indians on the IT sector in UK have all been "planted" there in a systematic manner
Reality is in UK an average Indian has a per capita income which is twice that of an average Pakistani.
What a pathetic attempt by a Imran administration minister to convince the aam abduls that all is well and pakistan is ahead of India.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/schoo ... pak-295225
8-yr-old Hindu boy becomes youngest person charged with blasphemy in Pak
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8-yr-old Hindu boy becomes youngest person charged with blasphemy in Pak
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what was such a young (8 years of age) hindu boy doing in the library of the madrassa? he must have been taken there for conversion or worse and out of fear the child urinated.An eight-year-old Hindu boy is being held in protective police custody in Pakistan after becoming the youngest person ever to be charged with blasphemy in the country, a media report said on Monday.
According to the Guardian news report, the boy's family is in hiding and many of the Hindu community in the conservative district of Rahim Yar Khan in Punjab province, have fled their homes after a Muslim crowd attacked a Hindu temple after the boy's release on bail last week.
The boy is accused of intentionally urinating on a carpet in the library of a madrassa, where religious books were kept, last month.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
https://thediplomat.com/2021/08/pakista ... cal-roots/
Pakistan’s Hindu Temple Ransacking Has Deep Ideological Roots
Pakistan’s anti-Hindu bigotry remains uniquely institutionalized.
Kunwar Khuldune Shahid, August 07, 2021
A Hindu temple was vandalized in Bhong town in Pakistan’s southern Punjab on Wednesday after a 9-year-old Hindu boy was granted bail over allegedly urinating in a madrassa. The mob that ransacked the temple also damaged adjacent properties and blocked the Sukkur-Multan Motorway. Troops have now been deployed in the area.
This is the seventh attack on a Hindu temple over the past 18 months alone, during which time a worship place was damaged in Rawalpindi, a Hindu saint’s shrine burnt down in Karak, a temple demolished by a builder in Lyari, and two others vandalized in Tharparkar, including one following Navratri prayers. Last year, the construction of Pakistan’s first-ever Hindu temple in Islamabad was halted under Islamist pressure after its foundation was destroyed. Ninety-five percent of pre-Partition Hindu temples no longer exist in Pakistan, and have either been demolished or converted. Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan condemned the Bhong attack, and the Supreme Court has taken notice of it. However, many of Khan’s party members and even cabinet ministers have expressed vile anti-Hindu bigotry or rallied in support of punishments for “blasphemers.” A minister sacked for anti-Hindu comments in 2019 was given another portfolio and then reinstated to the original ministry a few months later. Banners affiliated with the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) have displayed slogans like “Hindu baat se nahi, laat se maanta hai” (“A Hindu doesn’t understand words, only kicks.”)
In addition to bowing down to Islamist pressure over the Islamabad temple, Khan’s government has rejected legislation against forced conversions with the religious affairs minister categorically opposing the idea of restricting minors from converting to Islam. In a country where adults face death over apostasy against Islam, forced conversions continue unabated, with the government more invested in denying the very existence of the widespread, and easily verifiable, practice. Religious minorities across the board are victimized through Islamist persecution, from forced conversions to desecration of worship places. However, Pakistan’s anti-Hindu bigotry remains uniquely institutionalized. The mob violence in Bhong put on display the deep ideological roots of anti-Hindu sentiment in Pakistan.
First is the surface level utility of Pakistan’s blasphemy law, which has seen dozens killed, hundreds of worship places demolished, and thousands of victims imprisoned, injured, or expelled. The law facilitates Islamist mob violence by establishing offended Islamic sentiments as sufficient grounds for death.
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Pakistan’s Hindu Temple Ransacking Has Deep Ideological Roots
Pakistan’s anti-Hindu bigotry remains uniquely institutionalized.
Kunwar Khuldune Shahid, August 07, 2021
A Hindu temple was vandalized in Bhong town in Pakistan’s southern Punjab on Wednesday after a 9-year-old Hindu boy was granted bail over allegedly urinating in a madrassa. The mob that ransacked the temple also damaged adjacent properties and blocked the Sukkur-Multan Motorway. Troops have now been deployed in the area.
This is the seventh attack on a Hindu temple over the past 18 months alone, during which time a worship place was damaged in Rawalpindi, a Hindu saint’s shrine burnt down in Karak, a temple demolished by a builder in Lyari, and two others vandalized in Tharparkar, including one following Navratri prayers. Last year, the construction of Pakistan’s first-ever Hindu temple in Islamabad was halted under Islamist pressure after its foundation was destroyed. Ninety-five percent of pre-Partition Hindu temples no longer exist in Pakistan, and have either been demolished or converted. Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan condemned the Bhong attack, and the Supreme Court has taken notice of it. However, many of Khan’s party members and even cabinet ministers have expressed vile anti-Hindu bigotry or rallied in support of punishments for “blasphemers.” A minister sacked for anti-Hindu comments in 2019 was given another portfolio and then reinstated to the original ministry a few months later. Banners affiliated with the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) have displayed slogans like “Hindu baat se nahi, laat se maanta hai” (“A Hindu doesn’t understand words, only kicks.”)
In addition to bowing down to Islamist pressure over the Islamabad temple, Khan’s government has rejected legislation against forced conversions with the religious affairs minister categorically opposing the idea of restricting minors from converting to Islam. In a country where adults face death over apostasy against Islam, forced conversions continue unabated, with the government more invested in denying the very existence of the widespread, and easily verifiable, practice. Religious minorities across the board are victimized through Islamist persecution, from forced conversions to desecration of worship places. However, Pakistan’s anti-Hindu bigotry remains uniquely institutionalized. The mob violence in Bhong put on display the deep ideological roots of anti-Hindu sentiment in Pakistan.
First is the surface level utility of Pakistan’s blasphemy law, which has seen dozens killed, hundreds of worship places demolished, and thousands of victims imprisoned, injured, or expelled. The law facilitates Islamist mob violence by establishing offended Islamic sentiments as sufficient grounds for death.
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doesnt the blasphemy law apply to other religions?
that would make this fun - India should simply ask - why blasphemy law only for the majority religion? what are you doing to protect the minority religions?
that would make this fun - India should simply ask - why blasphemy law only for the majority religion? what are you doing to protect the minority religions?
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Razing mandirs is not blasphemy. It is god’s work.
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As per the Islamists there is no God except Allah, so the question of blasphemy for other religions does not even arise.bharathp wrote:doesnt the blasphemy law apply to other religions?
that would make this fun - India should simply ask - why blasphemy law only for the majority religion? what are you doing to protect the minority religions?
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Reminds me of Joseph Heller's Catch-22, where they did not need an aircraft to fly, they just needed a parachute. It would save some money.Atmavik wrote:Second doosra bandaanupmisra wrote: Paki deaf and dumb foras are saying it's a JF-17B. Two chutes were seen.
Gautam
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we cant grasp the richness of paxtan and its 50000 year old culture. This only counts legal income ..if only we could see and tax the under reported income in a country with 45% tax rateVips wrote: Reality is in UK an average Indian has a per capita income which is twice that of an average Pakistani.
What a pathetic attempt by a Imran administration minister to convince the aam abduls that all is well and pakistan is ahead of India.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
we should liberally hand out more of the whatsapp model "sushma swaraj" "medical and visitor visas" that have no expiry datessanjaykumar wrote:Razing mandirs is not blasphemy. It is god’s work.
The pakis should be exposed to Hindu compassion and tolerance and made to feel that the Hindus are not their enemies but their eternal well wishers and ever willing slaves.
and yes, we need more facilities for the minorities and unstinted financial help for maulanas, no income taxes for the frisky clergy, who operate on a very liberated agenda where bishops lead in athletic expressions of pious affection, and all this will build goodwill and help reduce social tensions in India.
After all, what's in a name, jizya by any other name is equally welcome as long as the free moolah continues its unabated flow
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Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
People in Swaraj’s position know what they are doing.
Why do you think all those altruistic acts weee well publicised?
Why do you think all those altruistic acts weee well publicised?
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Haram ka link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1640265/not-w ... s-pm-imran
I’m duh Dim is not waiting for a phone call from Biden.
(Besides there were no missed calls either). Take that Joe.
Prime Minister Imran Khan, in a wide-ranging talk with foreign journalists at his residence on Wednesday night, said he was not really "waiting" for a phone call from US President Joe Biden.
Now leave me alone to pout.
I’m duh Dim is not waiting for a phone call from Biden.
(Besides there were no missed calls either). Take that Joe.
Prime Minister Imran Khan, in a wide-ranging talk with foreign journalists at his residence on Wednesday night, said he was not really "waiting" for a phone call from US President Joe Biden.
Now leave me alone to pout.
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And that is the news in Pakistan, gentlemen.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
anupmisra wrote:Haram ka link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1640265/not-w ... s-pm-imran
I’m duh Dim is not waiting for a phone call from Biden.
(Besides there were no missed calls either). Take that Joe.
Prime Minister Imran Khan, in a wide-ranging talk with foreign journalists at his residence on Wednesday night, said he was not really "waiting" for a phone call from US President Joe Biden.
Now leave me alone to pout.
Hello Mr. BBC, Ms. Guardian, Mr. New York Times. I have called you all here to tell you I am not really waiting for a phone call from US President Joe Biden. You all know Mr. Joe Biden, right? And people in his administration read your news sources, right? Well, be sure to report that I, Imran Khan, am NOT waiting for a call from him. Not that I care if anyone sees the report. Why would I care. It's not like I am waiting for a call from him.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
She must tip her taxi driver well. About 75% of Pakistanis (adult males) are taxi drivers. My family an I avoid taking taxis.ArjunPandit wrote:we cant grasp the richness of paxtan and its 50000 year old culture. This only counts legal income ..if only we could see and tax the under reported income in a country with 45% tax rateVips wrote: Reality is in UK an average Indian has a per capita income which is twice that of an average Pakistani.
What a pathetic attempt by a Imran administration minister to convince the aam abduls that all is well and pakistan is ahead of India.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Another one bites the dust.
Haramiyon ka link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1640308/two-a ... ear-jhelum
Haramiyon ka link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1640308/two-a ... ear-jhelum
GUJAR KHAN: Two army officials were injured after a Mushshak aircraft, due to a technical failure, crash-landed in the fields of Chammala village near Jhelum on Thursday.
The Mushshak basic trainer is a light-weight, single engine aircraft. It can operate from any short unprepared strip and is ideal for basic flight training, instrument flying, aerobatics, stalls and deliberate spins, night flying, navigation flying and formation flying.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Shocker! This just in. Gaddi Nasheen “foot in mouth” Koreysh revealed today:
Pakistan, China to axe terror together: RAW, NDS behind Dasu terror attack
Pakistan, China to axe terror together: RAW, NDS behind Dasu terror attack
Haram link: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/877392 ... ror-attackThe investigation also revealed that the terrorists’ primary target was the Diamer-Bhasha Dam, but when they failed there, they chose Dasu. It was a blind case but Pakistani institutions managed to trace it. Investigators examined footage of 36 CCTV cameras along the 1,400 kilometers area that the bus had gone through. We have also identified the handlers and the car used in the terrorist attack,” Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said in a joint press conference with DIG KP, Javed Iqbal.
Re: Terroristan - April 15, 2021
Bakistanis are specialists in turning any story to their advantages.