Terroristan - March 31, 2022

partha · Post by **partha** » 03 Apr 2022 21:43

g.sarkar wrote:Parthaji, are you saying the last ball of Dimran will go the way of Bhutto and his daughter?
Gautam

It may! AFAIK this is an unprecedented situation. Pak experts here can weigh in. PM has openly accused America and is not in good terms with army chief. Only Allah can save him now from the wrath of sun roof lever.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 04 Apr 2022 00:16

^^ there is lots of good cop bad cop going on… it’s too early to tell if Immy has lost support of the Pak fauj. Some say that the dissolution of NA is at the behest of the Fauj.

The Fauj does not want the sharifs back after Badmash publicly named the Jernails , his brother is more like able by the Army but will the Fauj take a chance .. maybe this the time for Bajwa to man up and do a Coup

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2022 00:22

Whats up with members of Niazi clan talking big, but downhill skiing when push comes to shove?

Also

Speculation on that Fauj itself has two factions. Big B against Dimran and Bullet-Bin-Musharrafi (Peshawar crore kammandu) pro Dimran.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 04 Apr 2022 00:30

WTF Baki channels are doing commercials about coming elections.

partha · Post by **partha** » 04 Apr 2022 00:46

Anujan wrote:Whats up with members of Niazi clan talking big, but downhill skiing when push comes to shove?

Also

Speculation on that Fauj itself has two factions. Big B against Dimran and Bullet-Bin-Musharrafi (Peshawar crore kammandu) pro Dimran.

Maybe because of this support from a faction of the army is why Imran Khan appears defiant and is making bold moves. If am I am not wrong, Bajwa is the third army chief in a row who is seeking extension and first one to seek double extension. If he gets it then it's like just 3 army chiefs in 20 years. That's a lot of pissed off career jernails who will never become COAS.

I am sure Indian agencies are fishing in these muddy waters. I guess we will never know what they are up to but it's interesting thought exercise to think about the possibilities.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 04 Apr 2022 00:48

Elections are a certainty no matter what the outcome. If the clown prince stays then it is still general elections in less than 12 months, and if he goes and Shahbaz or Mariyam or some other ISI puppet takes over then they still need to contest in general elections next year. With the assembly dissolved i think they'll bring forward the elections later this year, the establishment will rig the elections in favor of their guy and call it a day.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 04 Apr 2022 01:16

Ambar wrote:Elections are a certainty no matter what the outcome.

will it be an Election or a Selection ?

partha · Post by **partha** » 04 Apr 2022 01:22

Atmavik wrote:
Ambar wrote:Elections are a certainty no matter what the outcome.
will it be an Election or a Selection ?

If there are really factions in the army then the question is not election or selection, it's selection A or selection B.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2022 01:23

https://twitter.com/atahasnain53/status ... 2304331777

When is mango season in Peshawar? Is anyone going to send a crate to the crore kammadu?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2022 01:25

partha wrote:Maybe because of this support from a faction of the army is why Imran Khan appears defiant and is making bold moves. If am I am not wrong, Bajwa is the third army chief in a row who is seeking extension and first one to seek double extension. If he gets it then it's like just 3 army chiefs in 20 years. That's a lot of pissed off career jernails who will never become COAS.

I am sure Indian agencies are fishing in these muddy waters. I guess we will never know what they are up to but it's interesting thought exercise to think about the possibilities.

Someone long ago, had this "toilet pipe theory" of Pakistan army. The toilet pipe from Pakistan has to constantly flow. If it get stuck because of some jernail seeking extension, it is likely to clog, develop pressure from within, burst and spray Pakistaniyat everywhere.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 04 Apr 2022 04:23

Captain has done the most wonderful deed. Shukran alla!

Cabinet Division de-notfies Imran Khan as prime minister

After the dissolution of the National Assembly by President Arif Alvi on Sunday, the Cabinet Division issued a notification that Imran Khan no longer holds the Office of the prime minister.

“Consequent upon dissolution of the National Assembly by the president of Pakistan, in terms of Article 58(1) read with Article 48(1) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, vide Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs’ SRO No. 487(1)/2022, dated 3rd April, 2022, Mr. Imran Ahmad Khan Niazi ceased to hold the Office of the Prime Minister of Pakistan, with immediate effect,” said the notification.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1683311/edito ... -subverted

The nation is stunned. Ahead of the vote of no-confidence, the prime minister had repeatedly hinted that he had a ‘trump card’ up his sleeve. There were indications all along that something might be amiss: even as political pundits and the media confidently predicted Mr Imran Khan’s defeat in the vote of no-confidence, he seemed unperturbed. No one could have guessed that his last ploy would involve having the democratic order burnt down by a democratically empowered party. With the parliamentary process pulverised on the orders of a leader who continues to hold it in deep contempt, Pakistan has been thrown into the dark abyss of a constitutional crisis. It seems, in retrospect, that the captain had planned to play this dastardly card all along. It came as a rude shock: it takes quite the fall for a self-proclaimed ‘fighter’ to display such unsportsmanlike behaviour. By tearing up the rules of the game instead of ‘playing till the last ball’, Mr Khan has dealt a fatal blow to constitutionalism and given rise to the strongest concerns yet that he may not be suited to hold public office within a democratic order.

Whatever happened in the National Assembly on Sunday violated all rules governing proceedings in the House, particularly those dealing with the motion of no-confidence. It was obviously staged: it was clear as the Assembly convened that the opposition had the numbers to oust the PM. Before the motion could be put to vote, however, the newly appointed law minister rose to record an ‘objection’ on the basis of Article 5 of the Constitution, which quite benignly states that “loyalty to the State is the basic duty of every citizen”. The deputy speaker — who had to chair the proceedings as the opposition had moved a motion of no-confidence against the speaker as well — accommodated the objection with indecent haste. Without a shred of proof that the motion had anything to do with the loyalty to the state of any of its movers, the deputy speaker dismissed the motion on the grounds that it had contradicted Article 5. So tightly did he stick to a written script that he did not even bother replacing the speaker’s name with his own as he issued the order to prorogue the session.

Before the nation could process the shock, the PM — who had been conveniently absent from the session — was on national television. In a pre-planned broadcast, he ‘congratulated’ the nation on the ‘failure’ of the motion of no-confidence and revealed that he had already written to the president to dissolve the Assembly so that fresh elections could be held. He had been constrained from playing this hand earlier as, constitutionally, he could not have dissolved the Assembly while a vote of no-confidence was pending against him. His request was, again with indecent haste, admitted by the president, who then promptly dismissed the National Assembly.

If Mr Khan’s shocking decision to choose Pervaiz Elahi over his own loyalists for the Punjab chief minister slot appeared to be a departure from principles, his actions yesterday showed that he also lacks the mettle or patience to be the leader he aspires to be. He could have played the political game like a true sportsperson and still emerged stronger from the loss given the sharp narrative he had spun leading up to the vote. Instead, he chose to thrust the country into a constitutional crisis. The president, too, failed to act with wisdom: instead of looking into the constitutionality of the entire process, he acted as an Imran Khan loyalist and sullied his office with his partisan decision.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 04 Apr 2022 06:31

Is there any chance no one wants to head to Gov't as no one wants to negotiate with China or USA and PKR will now significantly depreciate. I'm the dim will blame that its because he was not in office, opposition will blame I'm the Dim and there is nobody to extend Bajwa 'a tenure. Interesting times ahead

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Apr 2022 07:03

Aditya_V wrote:Is there any chance no one wants to head to Gov't as no one wants to negotiate with China or USA and PKR will now significantly depreciate. I'm the dim will blame that its because he was not in office, opposition will blame I'm the Dim and there is nobody to extend Bajwa 'a tenure. Interesting times ahead

as a last resort, the CJ of pukestan may be asked to head the interim govt until the elections, meaning that the paki army will, as usual, be running the show from behind the scenes.

niazi had better watch his step

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Apr 2022 10:40

Imran names US official who made ‘threat’

Mr Khan revealed that the US had sent a threatening message through Pakistan’s envoy. He was quoted as saying that US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu had reportedly in a meeting with Ambassador Asad Majeed warned there could be implications if he survived the opposition’s no-confidence motion in the National Assembly.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2022 11:05

I thought it would be Robert Narendra Benjamin

Donald Lu?! Is it US-China conspiracy now?

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 04 Apr 2022 11:35

Anujanji
Is Dimran doing this to prevent any future Khan-Military rapprochement
Dimran and Fiaz had always supported the Taliban
Is this PTI/Soros/Chini/Jihadi way of preventing any Khan engagements in Afghanistan?? now that Taliban are showing their true colours

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 04 Apr 2022 11:39

What a play MDJ ...

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 04 Apr 2022 11:45

Anujan wrote:...

Speculation on that Fauj itself has two factions. Big B against Dimran and Bullet-Bin-Musharrafi (Peshawar crore kammandu) pro Dimran.

These thoughts are being voiced on Pak boards too.. apparently the older (and topmost echelons) have been cultivated by the western powers and are biased towards western equipment.

The ones who are next in line (and want to push the oldies out) are being said to have been cultivated by the Dragon over the past decade or so. They have less qualms about chinese equipment, as long as they are able to get their cut and post retirement get to settle in the west anyway.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 04 Apr 2022 11:46

After multiple begging bowl trips to sugar land by immy and even after a few dhamakas to threaten the investments, not enough money has materialised from the iron brother. So is this latest open statement from Bajwa about joining unkil's camp the final nail in the coffin of CPEC?

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 04 Apr 2022 11:48

Come on captain, fight the enemies of Izzlam and Pakhistan. launch an all out nation wide muhim.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Apr 2022 12:04

WA

Sad that Imran Khan could not finish the job he had set out to do: finish Pakistan.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 04 Apr 2022 12:34

One view of the happennings - from a paki based abroad. Tweet Series cut pasted -

Pakistan is going through convulsions that are worth your time and attention. There is very little info coming out from Pakistan and that too is confusing and sketchy. Let me bring some clarity if I can. That’s how I understand it. PM Imran Khan is defying constitution and Army leadership of Gen Bajwa, and refuses to step down even after losing majority in parliament. Army hasn’t moved yet and Supreme Court hasn’t issued any clear orders yet. Why? How on earth it is possible? Because it is institutional coup akin to Taliban/AQ/ Jihadi takeover of Pak army. This may succeed or may not succeed we don’t know bcoz it’s a work in progress. It took years to build and materialize but it’s happening now. I don’t think Martial Law will be declared bcoz for that to happen Chief needs complete loyalty of ranks And that I can’t see. The next thing will be complete paralysis of government as civil service loyalties are also divided and majority is confused anyway. Same is the case with judiciary and other institutions. Some including me could see it coming for a long time The big picture tells us that Army chief Bajwa and few other generals want Pak to stay aligned with its western US partnerships but a huge rank and file of Army is pro Taliban, pro China and pro-Russia. And PM is clearly backed by this group. As I can see maybe now or later, only power, not parliament not courts, would decide the outcome. What’s the power equation now. I don’t know. But looking from outside the signs say it’s either evenly matched or tilts in favour of IK- Jihadi group of army. remains to be seen.

https://twitter.com/RizToronto

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 04 Apr 2022 13:04

Will meat eating Pathans tolerate Punjabi and Sindhi daalkhors plotting against Punjabi Pathan Niazi?

Will Maryam (“Let them eat Nihari and Paaya, instead”) Nawaz allow Punjabi sons of toil to be buried under tons of Niazi soil?

Will Bilawal Bhutto finally throw a gender reveal party?

Is 111 Brigade wearing bangles?

Can mar-de-fauj Bajwa pay his third son’s 11th semester fee at USA’s prestigious Langley Online university?

Can Great Leader Imran carry reverse history and do a coup on Pakfauj?

Finally, Paa’stan ka matlab kya, ghade- ghode ka shaadi byah?

Answers shortly on a postcard.

skaranam · Post by **skaranam** » 04 Apr 2022 18:26

A Niazi always a Niazi ....

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 04 Apr 2022 19:30

Is Immy calling for fireworks ? Need the Labaik crowd on the streets

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 04 Apr 2022 20:06

Imran Khan nominates ex-chief justice of Pakistan Gulzar Ahmed as caretaker PM

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 36032.html

This can happen only in clownistan ! So effectively they have 3 PMs now ! The opposition named their own speaker and voted in favor of Shahbaz Sharif, PTI and its speaker said Imran Khan is the PM and will be so until the elections and Imran Khan now goes around and names a former supreme court judge as the PM !

Man ! If only MQM was the way it was in 80s and 90s then Sindhudesh could have been a reality in times like these..

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 04 Apr 2022 20:18

More power to kaptaan.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 04 Apr 2022 20:26

If there are 3 PMs in Pakistan, how can there be only one COAS hain ji???

I demand this error be corrected forthwith.

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 04 Apr 2022 20:33

Updated the list:

If there are 3 PMs there should be many many countries:

3 - 1 for each PM
4 for COAS
5 for Talibunny
6 for IMF
7 for Unkil
8 Azad Baluchistan

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Apr 2022 20:44

vimal wrote:If there are 3 PMs there should be 5 countries:
1 for each PM
1 for COAS
1 for Talibunny

Meanwhile, the IMF suspends its loan program to pukestan

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/talks-w ... ge-2818646

this niazi beggar should have got the oscars for best performance by a h!jd@ and also for his original screen play

where will the panting and swooning lootyens aunties and Indian wokes a la burkha butt and $!ddhu, hide their faces now

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 04 Apr 2022 21:25

LATEST NSN PINDI
It is becoming clear now that Imran KHan was installed by BJP. In new Delhi our correspondent near BJP headquarter, who was going through papers form dustbin. Actually a tea stall in Delhi takes paper dustbin from BJP Headquarter. Our correspondent as taking his regular tea at 5:15 this morning while some strange papers with sign of lotus flower with top secrete written on it, caught his attention.
It seems BJP was in contact with some Gen. of Pakfauz whoose given name was MOOSA. The given paper (memorandum) talk about moosa being placed at right place and shikar has taken the Bait. That was 3 month before NIAZI was elected. wait for more information as whole team of NSN is going through two gunny bags of documents.
hiding as it may be rightly precived as fake news you have the idea now make your mind

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 Apr 2022 21:58

Actually thinking back, Dimran might not be quite as dim. The Opposition miscalculated.

The opposition should have taken out the speaker first. Having a speaker on your side is important for the next steps. They went for Dimran directly, thinking they had 200 on their side so they'd win

Dimran deliberately spread the "foreign conspiracy" charade. It had two objectives: (1) Label everyone who is against him as a foreign stooge (useful for elections) and (2) Setting the ground for subsequent tamasha in the house.

When the motion of no confidence was tabled, the deputy speaker dismissed it saying that article 5 of Pakistani constitution (which says all Pakistanis should support the state) disallowed tabling the vote of no-confidence because the no-confidence was a foreign conspiracy!

(This article 5 is like blasphemy law. You call someone a blasphemer, if someone comes to his support asking for evidence, that guy is a blasphemer too. So you can call anything a YYY conspiracy. If someone asks for proof, he is a co-conspirator and therefore anti-state).

The result is that assemblies are dissolved, new elections are due, and based from twitterati (well, not sure if I completely believe them), Dimran has overwhelming popularity because he defeated a YYY conspiracy!!

The opposition will campaign on daal-chawal and dimran will campaign on defeating YYY conspiracy.

I am not sure this is a US-leaning Bajwa vs Cheen-leaning Bullet-Man-Musharrafi thing. Dimran is most definitely not cheen leaning. As soon as he took power, he tried to get out of CPEC -- he realized that loan servicing CPEC and the useless projects they are building is draining the exchequer. Which means less money for subsidies. If he is back in power, he is going to come to the same realization. I think it is more of the toilet pipe theory. Bajwa sticking around for yet another terms means that none of the Crore Kammandus are going to be COAS.

This happened with Musharraf as well. First few years of his presidency, all crore kammandus were happy -- he had given them lots of money. But as time went on, old guard retired, ambitious chaps (Like Ashphuck) started becoming lootinent Jernails and were annoyed that they were never going to be COAS.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 04 Apr 2022 22:27

Anujanji, even if your theory turns out to be true , the establishment knows that elections will have to be conducted unless they have martial law in mind ( highly unlikely given the current political climate ). If Imran is removed and assembly is dissolved then fresh elections will have to be called . If Imran survives the no-confidence motion, he has < 12 months before the elections are due in 2023, so in either outcome the only certainty is fresh elections and i am sure Bajwa & co haven't overlooked this little detail. I think we will see the real bloodletting after the elections when results are rigged by the establishment if they see Immy winning.

As for the "Foreign conspiracy" i think it is exactly how you describe except with one caveat. US through one of its state dept underlings most probably did send a wire strongly criticizing Imran's visit to Moscow and his photo-op with Putin. Imran took this wire from US, added his imaginary conspiracy spice to it and sold it to the public that there's a great conspiracy against him .

The biggest question ofcourse is as of 4th of April 2022 who is the PM of Pakistan ? If this simple general knowledge question comes up in the 2nd grade exams and if the options are (a) Imran Khan (b) Shahbaz Shariff (c) Justice Gulzar Ahmed and (d) Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa then full marks should be given if all 4 boxes are checked or if any one of the boxes is ticked ! Such is the state of the land of the pure today !

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Apr 2022 22:45

Anujan wrote:
I am not sure this is a US-leaning Bajwa vs Cheen-leaning Bullet-Man-Musharrafi thing. Dimran is most definitely not cheen leaning. As soon as he took power, he tried to get out of CPEC -- he realized that loan servicing CPEC and the useless projects they are building is draining the exchequer. Which means less money for subsidies. If he is back in power, he is going to come to the same realization. I think it is more of the toilet pipe theory. Bajwa sticking around for yet another terms means that none of the Crore Kammandus are going to be COAS.

Agreed. Major Gaurav Arya, a Pakistan watcher, concurs with this assessment.

Imran has (if anything) actively pi$$ed off the Cheens. Unseemly, inconvenient bravado around Taliban resurgence. The inability to move CPEC or Gwadar forward. Spilling the beans about China's predatory CPEC loan terms before the IMF (Beijing always insists that loan terms remain a closely-guarded bilateral secret between the loanshark and victim!) And finally, the inability to do anything about TTP and allied Islamists making Pork Flied Lice out of Chinese employees in Dasu Dam area and elsewhere.

Imran has also pi$$ed off the Americans, but perhaps not as much as many Pakis seem to think. The famous "Absolutely Not!" statement by Imran was NOT in response to ANY official US request for bases after the Afghan withdrawal-- it was something he said to a telejournalist, Jonathan Swan from Axios, during an interview. The US (with its high threshold of tolerance for Pakistan) would not contrive to get rid of Imran just for something like this, which can be explained away as an act of political expediency. They may have other reasons to want to dump Imran, but "Absolutely Not!" is not one of them.

According to Maj. Arya, China's favoured PM candidate is Shahbaaz, because he is known as a "projects guy"-- he is as corrupt as anyone, but at least he gets the work done after eating his lion's share.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 04 Apr 2022 22:45

What we are forgetting here in all this talk of constitution, elections, etc is that Pakistan is not a normal country (though they try hard to pretend that they are and most of the time convince most people), and elections in Pakistan are eyewash and a charade.

Since the 2000s when the military realized that coups would be disadvantageous to themselves, every election has just been a drama to get their chosen proxies (which vary each time, like musical chairs) elected. Even the Sharifs and Zardaris know that they are not really contesting the elections, they are merely vying for 'selection' by the Army as their chosen rubber stamps. In return the politicians get to be corrupt and enrich themselves, while the Army controls all key portfolios like foreign relations, defence, internal security and get first rights over the budget.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Apr 2022 22:51

Yes, Pakistan is like Walder Frey in GOT. Trying to play both the Lannisters and the Starks/Tullys against each other, based on the "strategic location" of his castle.

As things develop, whichever great power has mastery over the Frey castle ends up placing their own preferred Frey family member on the kursi.

Ultimately, in an act of total Pakistaniyat, the Freys betray the Starks/Tullys by allowing the Lannisters to carry out the Red Wedding massacre at their hall. End result is that they lose respect and honour in everybody's eyes, and make 100X more enemies than they started out with.

I've never come across a better metaphor for Pakistan in popular Western literature.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 04 Apr 2022 23:12

Bart S wrote:What we are forgetting here in all this talk of constitution, elections, etc is that Pakistan is not a normal country (though they try hard to pretend that they are and most of the time convince most people), and elections in Pakistan are eyewash and a charade.

Since the 2000s when the military realized that coups would be disadvantageous to themselves, every election has just been a drama to get their chosen proxies (which vary each time, like musical chairs) elected. Even the Sharifs and Zardaris know that they are not really contesting the elections, they are merely vying for 'selection' by the Army as their chosen rubber stamps. In return the politicians get to be corrupt and enrich themselves, while the Army controls all key portfolios like foreign relations, defence, internal security and get first rights over the budget.

Actually that is the stage where woke morons/media barons want to the world including massa land to go to.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 05 Apr 2022 00:00

Pompous loudmouth and US resident Moeed Yusuf has abandoned the sinking ship (or was he unceremoniously thrown overboard) and is taking the first lifeboat back to Massaland.

partha · Post by **partha** » 05 Apr 2022 00:54

Bart S wrote:Pompous loudmouth and US resident Moeed Yusuf has abandoned the sinking ship (or was he unceremoniously thrown overboard) and is taking the first lifeboat back to Massaland.

Many PTI leaders are leaving country too. Is the situation about to get even uglier? SL type situation? Power struggle within the army? NSA must have insider info for him to leave at the first opportunity.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 05 Apr 2022 02:17

For Moeed, he is just trying to salvage his think tank circuit future, given the ridiculous levels of very public Anti-Americanism from the (ex) PM whose government he was a part of. Actually several key people in Pakistan including cabinet ministers and their equivalent of our RBI governor are foreign citizens/residents who will go back to their old job as soon as the opportunity to loot their homeland dries up. One of the PTI politicians who was recently sacked as Governor of Punjab and left in a huff, is actually a British citizen and was a British MP from Glasgow.