Russian-Ukranian War: Geopolitical Fallout

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chetak wrote: 18 Sep 2023 20:31 Pakistan Exported Weapons To Ukraine As A 'Quid Pro Quo' For IMF Bailout


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-broker ... e-in-lieu/

Headquartered in Wah Cantt, Punjab, Pakistan, the Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) have provided a range of arms and ammunition to the Ukrainian Military. These include:

122mm Yarmuk HE-Frag rockets,

122mm howitzer shells,

155mm artillery shells,

M4A2 propelling bag charges,

M82 primers,

PDM fuses,

M44A2 120mm HE mortar bombs,

130mm shells,

40mm RPG7 HEAT ammo,

12.7×99 MM armor-piercing cartridges,

12.7×108 mm bullets, and

7.62×54mm bullets
And even that did not help. Lol
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YashG wrote: 18 Sep 2023 22:25
chetak wrote: 18 Sep 2023 20:31 Pakistan Exported Weapons To Ukraine As A 'Quid Pro Quo' For IMF Bailout


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-broker ... e-in-lieu/
And even that did not help. Lol
interesting how the UK and US facilitated and made the transfers
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YashG wrote: 18 Sep 2023 22:25
chetak wrote: 18 Sep 2023 20:31 Pakistan Exported Weapons To Ukraine As A 'Quid Pro Quo' For IMF Bailout


https://www.eurasiantimes.com/us-broker ... e-in-lieu/
And even that did not help. Lol

jenab,

I suspect that the pakis would have passed off much of their old and expired munitions as serviceable stock, hoping that things got overlooked in the fog of war
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drnayar wrote: 18 Sep 2023 23:34
YashG wrote: 18 Sep 2023 22:25

And even that did not help. Lol
interesting how the UK and US facilitated and made the transfers

sirji,


UK allows large scale paki migration (98% puncherwallas) and US has always paid good money to the pakis

a win win for everyone as all parties concerned are dubious and deceitful

the greasy pakis often forget that they are permanently occupying the lowest rungs on the totem pole and are usually the first to get shafted when things go pear shaped
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https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... ertilizers

US imported 1.95B$ of fertilizers from Russia in 2022.

Jiska sanctions USki bhains :rotfl:
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk ... 55.html

Please spend all your money on ukreen :((
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Jacque Baud in English at last !

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drnayar wrote: 18 Sep 2023 23:34
YashG wrote: 18 Sep 2023 22:25

And even that did not help. Lol
interesting how the UK and US facilitated and made the transfers
And that's why these grey list blacklist yellow list are all toilet paper. West deep state will do things that facilitates their views and viewpoints.
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Britain has run out of equipment to give:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uk/brita ... r-AA1hCoaC

The inflection point for Bhikaris is fast approaching.
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Tanaji wrote: 03 Oct 2023 17:33 Britain has run out of equipment to give:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uk/brita ... r-AA1hCoaC

The inflection point for Bhikaris is fast approaching.
Wallace was one of Boris' favourites. His support for the Ukrainians was unqualified. I suspect that he resigned as he did not get the support from Sunak that he expected. Sunak makes the noises of supporting the Ukraine, but he knows that there is a lot wrong in the UK that he has to sort out as a higher priority which is why Wallace is no longer Def Minister. For example remember that Ukraine asked for Typhoons and all he said is that he will look into it. The RAF would like some more too!

This Ukraine fatigue has hit most European suppliers and even the Poles are having second thoughts. The French were not on song to start with and have lagged all the major Europeam countries in their supply to Ukraine.
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those billions would need to come from somewhere., and that for oiropeans it would come from their social security and health budgets .. as they dont own a printing press like massa :roll:

with creaking economies they wont last a year more at the current rates
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Ironically some dumb EU countries are playing along with this funding thinking they will get some big reconstruction contracts once the war is over.

If Russia wins - most likely - they will get nothing

Else the Americans and Brits will own everything in whatever remains of Ukr.

EU will be left holding the pail.
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Kevin McCarthy who was the speaker was the US House was ousted recently and it is now without a speaker. There is talk that unless a Speaker is elected, no more funding can be passed, which means after the current short term funding ends , Ukraine is not getting any money. In fact in order to avoid a govt shutdown even the current short term bill doesnt have Ukraine funding.

Is this true?
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https://x.com/Gokul_Sahni/status/171482 ... 86450?s=20 ---> “The reaction to the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas and to Israel’s vow to hit back against Gaza has undone months of work to paint Moscow as a global pariah for breaching international law, they said, exposing the US, EU and their allies to charges of hypocrisy.” 1/5

https://x.com/Gokul_Sahni/status/171482 ... 77859?s=20 ---> “That had eroded efforts since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine to build consensus with leading states in the so-called Global South — such as India, Brazil and South Africa — on the need to uphold a global rules-based order, said more than a dozen western officials.” 2/5

https://x.com/Gokul_Sahni/status/171482 ... 20498?s=20 ---> “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?” 3/5

https://x.com/Gokul_Sahni/status/171482 ... 21264?s=20 ---> “Arab states, particularly Jordan and Egypt, have pressed western officials to harden their tone on protecting Gaza’s civilians. “If you describe cutting off water, food and electricity in Ukraine as a war crime, then you should say the same thing about Gaza,” said one Arab official.” 4/5

https://x.com/Gokul_Sahni/status/171482 ... 87813?s=20 ---> “What India, Indonesia & Brazil want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, NATO will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former NATO Secretary General.
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A top aide to President Zelensky tells Time Magazine of corruption at the highest levels of the Ukrainian government:

"People are stealing like there's no tomorrow"
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"Oh - Israel calling - sorry, Zelensky, time to put you on hold - go beg for peace in the meantime" :P

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vijayk wrote: 31 Oct 2023 04:18 [img]https://i.imgur.com/svzSC0I.jpg[/img
That mediation would be quite inconvenient for him and his masters in the US defence industry!
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I just hope China does not try to capture Taiwan now, US MIC will become oversterched.
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Preparing the public for the inevitable.....

Is it time to think the unthinkable for Zelensky and consider a peace treaty with Putin? As counter-offensive stalls, winter sets in and the world focuses on Israel, military experts give their view

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -view.html
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Slovak PM claims Ukraine is not a sovereign country
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https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... n-country/
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What happens if Putin WINS in Ukraine? 'Catastrophic' change to world order 'would lead to the fall of NATO, economic carnage and inevitable nuclear war once autocrats see that US and the West are beatable'

"a Russian victory would also mean that nuclear states - Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran - would become unstable and could result in terrorists getting their hands on nuclear weapons and launching terror attacks on the streets of Europe"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... table.html
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^ Lol. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Haresh wrote: 27 Jan 2024 16:00 What happens if Putin WINS in Ukraine?
The concerned powers will be weakened yes. Same as with with the French (Napoleon) and German (Hitler) attempts to expand eastwards. This war is puzzling in why they would expect to win against Russia when history indicates otherwise.
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The only explaination is that these people have been blinded by their coldwar victory over the USSR. Thinking that a resource and manpower depleted Russia will be a walkover.

Still we have a long way to go in this struggle.
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Pratyush wrote: 28 Jan 2024 09:23 The only explaination is that these people have been blinded by their coldwar victory over the USSR. Thinking that a resource and manpower depleted Russia will be a walkover.

Still we have a long way to go in this struggle.
Russia is not resource depleted, that is what they are after. Reading the western press/media (I live in London) I just cannot understand how they thought they were going to win. What they have basically stated as their intent is this:

1/ when we talk to Russia, we are lying and playing for time (Angela Merkal & Francois Hollands "Negotiating in bad faith" comments).

2/ we intend to destroy your nation and split it up.

3/ we want our companies to be able to exploit your national resources.

4/ The Wolfowitz Doctrine is not official policy but unofficial policy

5/ The EU is the business arm of NATO

6/NATO will keep on expanding, it is to preserve Western/white supremacy

7/ if anyone can think of more please add.

Now as that as their stated intent, how do they think Russia, China and the world will react. Now they are openly talking about conscription, the ignorant UK public is having second thoughts.
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America Threatens Hungary, Doesn't Like It When Vassals Disobey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk9XFQsa-yk
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America Threatens Hungary, Doesn't Like It When Vassals Disobey
To the powerful, everyone is a vassal state. Power is exerted on the weak. There are no true “benevolent” powerhouses.
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Hungary accuses EU of blackmail over Ukraine aid stand-off
Hungary accused the European Union of blackmail after a leaked document reportedly suggested that the bloc plans to sabotage Budapest’s economy if it vetoes fresh aid for Ukraine at a summit later this week.

Hungary’s minister for EU affairs took to social media to lambast the paper drawn up by EU officials and cited Sunday by the Financial Times, which said that Brussels has developed a strategy to target Hungary’s economic weak spots and undermine investor confidence over its blockade of funds to Kyiv.

“Hungary does not give in to blackmail,” Bóka János wrote in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
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srai wrote: 29 Jan 2024 14:28
America Threatens Hungary, Doesn't Like It When Vassals Disobey
To the powerful, everyone is a vassal state. Power is exerted on the weak. There are no true “benevolent” powerhouses.
The people in a quandary are the EU. They have always said that they speak with a SINGLE diplomatic voice and that in all such matters an assault against one is an assault against all. What to do now, stand with their Hungarian brothers or throw throw the uppity Hungarians to the wolves. The first option makes them confront the US and the second shows all of the EU that they are really vassals now. All now for the public to see!
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https://x.com/DivaJain2/status/1752552465742897272?s=20 ---> Rouble will be rubble. Sanctions will cripple Russia. Russia will run out chips. Russian planes will start falling from the sky. Ukrainian counter offensive will reach Moscow, yada yada yada. Western intelligentsia and economists have completely destroyed their credibility in the last few years.

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Chetak, that is hilarious. Oh the doom and gloom for Russia that was predicted in Feb 2022 by a number on BRF.
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War is good for Business. America has always followed the dictum seriously over a century now.
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The post 91 Russian economy was unable to transition successfully to peace time consumer driven economy. It's no wonder that they have adapted well to the western sanctions.

But the absence of consumer economy is going to create long term problems for Russians post the Ukraine war.

But that's not going to manifest itself for the next several years.
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Their armaments industry has been sliding also - two of their biggest customers getting self reliant (and potential rivals).

And the declining population will make it even tougher for them (China has the same problem) while the US and Europe will keep attracting immigrants for the coming few decades at the least.
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