Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy
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Polish premier calls urgent meeting of national security committee
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/po ... 022-11-15/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/po ... 022-11-15/
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which means hitting Poland is OK. Good.
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https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 9HLz45anvQ So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today?
With the cooperation of
@blueboy1969
we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.
Poland & Ukraine play down the attack, say aal is well.
With the cooperation of
@blueboy1969
we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.
Poland & Ukraine play down the attack, say aal is well.
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Scott Ritter: Ukraine cannot win this war. It's a 'fantasy.'
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Top U.S. General Urges Diplomacy in Ukraine
NYTimes could be behind a paywall.
Two quotes, from General Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
NYTimes could be behind a paywall.
Two quotes, from General Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
I advised the President that the Ukrainians had done as much as they reasonably can ...
and I urged him to bring pressure on Kyiv to negotiate with Moscow
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I said that when this controversy started:IndraD wrote:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 9HLz45anvQ So what crashed in the village of Przewodów, Poland today?
With the cooperation of
@blueboy1969
we analyzed the available photos of fragments and came to a clear conclusion that they belong to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.
Poland & Ukraine play down the attack, say aal is well.
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Russia, knowing its geography very well, does not send missiles aimed at Western Ukraine East-West. They always strike vertically or they are oriented N-S, parallel to the Ukrainian-Polish border. All missiles are error-prone, so they compensate - as best as they can - for errors.There is a decent chance that the missile was a Ukrainian S-300
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Where is Pakraine getting its stocks of S300 missiles and parts from?
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documents warn Germany could be 'wiped off the map' over Russian 'existential threats' https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/sh ... f40611d121
reminds of covid days when useless papers piled and mountedAshocking report has warned that a Russian invasion of Europe is "more likely than ever", adding that Germany could be wiped off the map "at any moment." The Sun reported that the officials in Germany have requested the country to brace itself for an impending war with Russia, amid fears the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO.
The confidential documents leaked to the German publication Der Spiegel suggest that one of the country's top generals Eberhard Zorn ordered the country's army to put itself on a war footing in the face of "existential" threats.
The 68-page policy paper produced in late September is titled "Operational Guidelines for the Armed Forces".
In it, General Zorn called for the complete overhaul of the German military, and to prepare itself for war.
He wrote: "Attacks on Germany can potentially occur without warning and with great, possibly even existential, damage."
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So what happens if NATO considers this an act of war by Ukraine and invades it? Syria redux?
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Worth a watch. 24 minutes. Col Douglas Macgregor.
Has a lot of small very interesting nuggets, including how Polish soldiers killed Ukrainians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAuLFpQ3dY
Has a lot of small very interesting nuggets, including how Polish soldiers killed Ukrainians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAuLFpQ3dY
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Ukraine is the blue eyed boy in the eyes of NATO.pravula wrote:So what happens if NATO considers this an act of war by Ukraine and invades it? Syria redux?
Nothing is going to happen.
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This Nov 15 YT by Col MacGregor is really educative about US, Europe, Nato. He astutely points out that the Army is second fiddle to the Navy and Airforce in the US. The army was progressively made weaker than anyone realizes and they don't have the stomach to take high casualities. The entire Nato cannot fight at the level of Russia. Russia is using 20k pieces of artillery per day. The French apparently have supplies that can last only for 4 days of war. The rest of Europe is zilch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8EVMSqbvzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8EVMSqbvzU
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If Germany is gone, all the Norwldic countries will go in neutral mode. French will negotiate. US with all its rhetoric, newer respond uitl US main land is attacked. But instead Germany, UK could be more attractive to Russians.
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NATO will have total air dominance. Russia couldn’t take Kiev and couldn’t hold on to Kherson; how is it possible to talk about Germany, UK, etc.
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Kiev was a diversion.
Kherson was a tactical readjustment of the fwd lines.
Kherson was a tactical readjustment of the fwd lines.
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time will tell. Ukraine doesn't have airforce and Nato has refused to prop its own (even after Poland was hit). When Nato vs Ru AF breaks out we will know US public reaction when their jet starts falling out of sky from s400 etc. Perception & public anger (& lack of) is important thurst of war.
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One of the other things people don't realize is that many Ukrainian generals and top officials would have been part of the red army. They probably use the same training and playbook as the Russians .and even historically they have been good fighters .
Add to the fact that there was considerable hesitance among the Russians to kill fellow Slavic people .
If they are to attack Germany or uk , all that hesitance will be gone . Especially if they attack Germany . And the Germans have been completely defanged and won't even have the stomach to defend themselves.
Add to the fact that there was considerable hesitance among the Russians to kill fellow Slavic people .
If they are to attack Germany or uk , all that hesitance will be gone . Especially if they attack Germany . And the Germans have been completely defanged and won't even have the stomach to defend themselves.
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U.S succeeded in creating a Pakistan for Russia. In the decades to come this Pakistan will fight for U.S and keep Russia contained. Sooner or later, you will hear Peace voices coming from U.S. They will not want to escalate it further as objectives are met with regard to Europe and Russia.
Russians did not take Lviv and did not attack from Belarus to cut the supply of men and material leading to this situation. Once war is over, NATO will be in Odessa.
Russians did not take Lviv and did not attack from Belarus to cut the supply of men and material leading to this situation. Once war is over, NATO will be in Odessa.
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All this is presupposes that the Russians are a dead nation without any ability to regenerate or even learn from what they are faced with.
The call up of conscripts and the fact that they have not been thrown in to the meat grinder yet should give people pause.
What if the Russians are training those people into an effective fighting force. To be deployed once the land has hardened and mobility for combined arms can be assured.
Do people believe that Ukraine has the ability to prevail in those circumstances.
The call up of conscripts and the fact that they have not been thrown in to the meat grinder yet should give people pause.
What if the Russians are training those people into an effective fighting force. To be deployed once the land has hardened and mobility for combined arms can be assured.
Do people believe that Ukraine has the ability to prevail in those circumstances.
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This is hilarious: a German general writes a report on how Russia will take over Germany and every one is getting their undies in a twist over it. Not a single Russian source has said that this was in the plan and yet we have talk about Nato dominance of air space…
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Exactly. It ll keep Russia in check . And it ll keep Europe on check . In there quest for remaining at the top Yankee war machine has forever disrupted any possibility of world peace .uddu wrote:U.S succeeded in creating a Pakistan for Russia. In the decades to come this Pakistan will fight for U.S and keep Russia contained. Sooner or later, you will hear Peace voices coming from U.S. They will not want to escalate it further as objectives are met with regard to Europe and Russia.
Russians did not take Lviv and did not attack from Belarus to cut the supply of men and material leading to this situation. Once war is over, NATO will be in Odessa.
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Just saying .....uddu wrote:U.S succeeded in creating a Pakistan for Russia. In the decades to come this Pakistan will fight for U.S and keep Russia contained. Sooner or later, you will hear Peace voices coming from U.S. They will not want to escalate it further as objectives are met with regard to Europe and Russia.
Russians did not take Lviv and did not attack from Belarus to cut the supply of men and material leading to this situation. Once war is over, NATO will be in Odessa.
NATO has been in Donbas since 2014 !! (All UKR defenses were designed and built under the supervision of NATO. Ukrainian army was trained by NATO - and it *was* formidable, considered to be only next to the Turkish Army.)
They are there even now, operating the HIMARS, and by the admission of the US Defense Department trying to account for the arms sent by the US (yeah). US/UK and perhaps French JSOC are still operating there.
On the German General's report, what is new in that? It has always been said that with the first official/declared NATO boot in Ukraine that the first Russian missile hit would be on the Ramstein Air Base.
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Pratyush,
They may learn but this nearly one year of grind will tell on the Russian war machine. And as much as they may learn the i grained character and training and org deficiencies in the Russian armed forces are difficult to fix in war time.
Plus if they had learnt then we would have seen evidencenof this.
Ukraine does not need to win. NATO only needs to keep the Russians bogged down and that they r doing rather well is it not. Russia cannot at this point in time guarantee the safety of its annexed territories and cannot do so into the near future.
We keep criticising the Chinese army for the amount of corruption but forget to apply the same yardstick to the Russian system and its corrosive impact on the armed forces. I presume you saw the video Deans posted.
They may learn but this nearly one year of grind will tell on the Russian war machine. And as much as they may learn the i grained character and training and org deficiencies in the Russian armed forces are difficult to fix in war time.
Plus if they had learnt then we would have seen evidencenof this.
Ukraine does not need to win. NATO only needs to keep the Russians bogged down and that they r doing rather well is it not. Russia cannot at this point in time guarantee the safety of its annexed territories and cannot do so into the near future.
We keep criticising the Chinese army for the amount of corruption but forget to apply the same yardstick to the Russian system and its corrosive impact on the armed forces. I presume you saw the video Deans posted.
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No they won't -- at least not now, having had a chance to see Russia's dogged determination and military/strategic/industrial capabilities of the last 9 months. I think they understand very well that if they do that now, they will be at war with Russia openly and directly. And there is no reason for them (NATO) to believe they could win that war.uddu wrote:Once war is over, NATO will be in Odessa.
But I think there was a time (prior to 24 Feb 2022) when they did plan to do that. It is quite clear from a large number of public utterances by various American neocons and their chelas/chamchas/ass-kissers in UK/Canada/Poland etc. that they thought that engineering a breakup/regime-change in Russia and forcible NATO capture of all Black Sea ports were sensible and reasonable plans. Putin himself was very aware of this risk (in fact, it was more than a risk, it was pretty much a certainty). He gave a speech to a Russian audience (a few months after the successful referendum / annexation of Crimea) in which he said, roughly speaking, "I had no choice. I had to do it. If I had not gone ahead with the capture of Crimea, it was certain that the next time I visited Sevastopol, I would have been greeted at the pier by British/American sailors saying 'Welcome to Free Crimea. This is NATO land, now turn around and get the hell back to Russia' ". I'm sure that video clip is still up on YT somewhere.
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ks_sachin wrote:Kiev was a diversion.
Kherson was a tactical readjustment of the fwd lines.
What abt Izyum and lyman? Not to mention Kharkiv
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Sir everything the Russians have done has a deeper meaning to it. It will all be apparent in time. There was no retreat. It is all fake news. There was only change in strategic direction.Atmavik wrote:ks_sachin wrote:Kiev was a diversion.
Kherson was a tactical readjustment of the fwd lines.
What abt Izyum and lyman? Not to mention Kharkiv
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Russia's latest missile strike leaves over 10 million Ukrainians in darkness and cold, attack conincides with the first snow fall https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/ ... an-attacks
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Is there any parallel in history where the destruction of civilian infra and resultant hardship has caused a country to capitulate?
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In one word. No.
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(message is Biden won't come with bijli in 2 hands to warm you up)
btw...what was US bombing infrastructure & civilians in Kosov, Iraq etc about? what was the method in madness?
btw...what was US bombing infrastructure & civilians in Kosov, Iraq etc about? what was the method in madness?
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They should have gone against political and Military leadership.ks_sachin wrote:Is there any parallel in history where the destruction of civilian infra and resultant hardship has caused a country to capitulate?
remembering the deck of cards prepared by US for Iraq regime and they eliminated each one of them. taking out command and leadership works.
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The destruction of civilian infrastructure makes it difficult for a country to produce materials for war fighting. It may not cause immediate capitulation, but will reduce the capability to produce armaments. It also has the secondary effects of creating hardships on civilians to support a regime that is engaged in war.ks_sachin wrote:Is there any parallel in history where the destruction of civilian infra and resultant hardship has caused a country to capitulate?
The Russians should have destroyed Ukraine’s power plants, bridges, rail junctions, and water supplies back in February before launching any ground offensive.
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The objective is to reduce the ability of the country to run industries and damage economy.IndraD wrote:(message is Biden won't come with bijli in 2 hands to warm you up)
btw...what was US bombing infrastructure & civilians in Kosov, Iraq etc about? what was the method in madness?
The rest of it is meaning less.
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Kosovo is not Ukraine perhaps.
Also what war fighting equipment is Ukr producing?
Are we saying that come winter the UKR population withh turn on Zelensky?
Also what war fighting equipment is Ukr producing?
Are we saying that come winter the UKR population withh turn on Zelensky?
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I don't think so.
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Everything requires power from drones to heat to communications devices that need to be recharged. No power means generators and fuel that needs to be carried which stresses the already large supply trail. You also now have to divert people to fix what has been destroyed, resources that could be used elsewhere.
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Barbaric!!
#Ukranian fighters recorded themselves executing a large group of #Russians that were taken #POW https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/sta ... Zx9XDicGEg
#Ukranian fighters recorded themselves executing a large group of #Russians that were taken #POW https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/sta ... Zx9XDicGEg
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All the responses to my original question are quite interesting and rather anticipated before posing the question.Tanaji wrote:Everything requires power from drones to heat to communications devices that need to be recharged. No power means generators and fuel that needs to be carried which stresses the already large supply trail. You also now have to divert people to fix what has been destroyed, resources that could be used elsewhere.
I was hoping to start a discussion on the efficacy of the Russian strategy and see if the prevalent narrative is backed by historical precedent.
As a tactical or strategic tool does it strengthen or weaken Zelensky’s hand. And by the way if this an existialist question for UKR then what level of deprevation will they suffer.
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US running low on arms to give to Ukraine – CNN https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/ ... dt-vpx.cnn