Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

[JTull]

I think we are debating on a non-issue

We are not. A canard is being spread, and I wish to know if it has any basis in reality. Clearly there was no basis to state:

Check the dimensions & weight of VSHORAD vs Igla or Stinger. Its both bigger and heavier for it to be shoulder-fired

Srai: based on the pictures you shared, I am not able to discern any size difference between the two. In fact, the MRSAM launcher accommodates 8 missiles, while Akash-NG accommodates 6. Yes, the MRSAM trailer is longer, but the missile launcher itself seems similar

How do you determine a missile can be soulder fired or not "based on the pictures"?

[srai]

^^^
In the post you quoted, Prem is replying to two different things

First part he is talking about VSHORDS and the second about MRSAM vs Akash NG. The pictures he is talking about relate to MRSAM/Akash NG.

He should have not mixed the two in one post. Yes, bit confusing without the context and it sounds like what you thought.

[JTull]

I see.

[Ashokk]

Possibly an early morning or dawn test up to 3500km.
https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/17 ... 4733198507

#AreaWarning #India issues a notification for a very large no fly zone over the Bay Of Bengal & Indian Ocean Region indicative of a likely missile test

Date | 13 March 2024

[Sagrawal]

PM announced Agni 5 MIRV tested.

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 2108465538

[RajaRudra]

We tested MIRV and this forum is as silents as it can get.
A decade before, a mere Prithvi would have filled this thread for 2 pages. And if its Agni Series, then it would be
multiple pages with circular maps and reactions of even unheard of countries.

We had came a long, long way.

[Rakesh]

PM announced Agni 5 MIRV tested.

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 2108465538

What a wonderful day for the country. Jai Hind!

Kudos to all involved. Lungi dance time!

[Cyrano]

Yes. It was ready for several years. The test and announcement are all about timing based on several geopolitical factors. Asat was prioritised at one point in time, and our team delivered it in record time since mirv was all ready.
There is a lot more happening.

[Prem Kumar]

March 2019: ASAT test announcement by PM Ji
March 2024: MIRV announcement
March 2029: 10,000 Km ICBM (or) Thermonuke testing?

All are election years!

Kudos to the entire team whose nights & weekends made this possible. Chinese ship was in the Bay and we said "Go ahead and record the accuracy of the warheads. Then, shiver some"

Given the short-notice on the NOTAM & yet the Chinese ship being in the vicinity so close to the date, the only conclusion is that they have sources that alert them to DRDO/Forces' testing schedules

The test shows that we have:

1) Miniaturized warheads
2) Maneuverable bus
3) Robust targeting system with high degree of accuracy
4) Throw-weight of Agni-V is larger than advertised. Corollary: its range is seriously understated

[Yogi_G]

The Chinese had long called out its 8k range. However it is not clear 8k range against which payload? The media reports quote a 7k range, again, against what payload? a fully loaded MIRV payload? I dont think this stuff will ever have a black/white answer.

[Ashokk]

Hemant Kumar Rout

First photo of intercontinental range nuke capable ballistic missile #Agni5 with multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle technology. The 5000-km range missile was tested off Odisha coast today by @DRDO_India as part of #MissionDivyastra.

[SwamyG]

We tested MIRV and this forum is as silents as it can get.
A decade before, a mere Prithvi would have filled this thread for 2 pages. And if its Agni Series, then it would be
multiple pages with circular maps and reactions of even unheard of countries.

We had came a long, long way.

I came to BRF mothership to just read all the cheering from all the gurus.

[morem]

Hat tip to Haridas Ji

[chetak]

We tested MIRV and this forum is as silents as it can get.
A decade before, a mere Prithvi would have filled this thread for 2 pages. And if its Agni Series, then it would be
multiple pages with circular maps and reactions of even unheard of countries.

We had came a long, long way.

I came to BRF mothership to just read all the cheering from all the gurus.

SwamyG saar,

with all that is going on with the cheen et al, one figured that the MIRVed Agni launch had more geopolitical, as well as, political relevance, coupled with the CAA announcement by Modi ji

So I posted this in the 2024 elections thread

undoubtedly, it is a huge technological achievement, and one that will get the cheen, pakis, turks, and the amrikis all whining in chorus, while they sort out their tangled langotes, and needless to say, the 5000-km range of the Agni ICB missile is grossly understated (as usual)

Nice to have this sitting in the Indian kitchen masala box. One never knows what special tadka the "guest" may prefer ......

[basant]

Hat tip to Haridas Ji

+10

[drnayar]

Wiki s link to range puts to rest whether its a "R" or a "C"



India's second-strike capability went up by a notch

•The canister design "will reduce the reaction time drastically...just a few minutes from 'stop-to-launch ’
• According to DRDO sources, a MIRV payload would be significantly heavier, since it would consist of several nuclear warheads, each of them weighting about 400 kilogrammes. A 5-warhead MIRV, therefore, would weigh two tonnes

source :wiki

[dnivas]

Amazing news. Next step. Starlink type constellation. Take over the LEO.

[drnayar]

BRFs silence is loud indeed !

[pushkar.bhat]

BRF Silence means we have matured to a level where we absorb the news and then silently smile.

[basant]

Well, BRFites discussed MIRV ability multiple times. Especially given that Pakistan was supposed to have tested MIRV in Ababeel in 2017, followed again in 2023.

[Cyrano]

March 2019: ASAT test announcement by PM Ji
March 2024: MIRV announcement
March 2029: 10,000 Km ICBM (or) Thermonuke testing?

Not to forget the rapid reaction launches against multiple aerial targets a few months ago. That would be the precursor for our own MD systems before the end of this decade. Jai Ho!!

[drnayar]

Amazing news. Next step. Starlink type constellation. Take over the LEO.

a global NAVIC constellation first

[S_Madhukar]

Jingo khush hua... lekin Mogambo aur maangta hai - MIRV SLBM (with 4K video) from A class sub ...Congrats to all !!

[sohamn]

But pointy nose cone is more scary, alhamdulillah.

I think this was tested before, and clearly the Chinese knew what was being tested. Maybe next time they come inside the notam area, perhaps our MIRV can inadvertently land on their ship.

[sudarshan]

viewtopic.php?t=6401&start=84

Nearly ten years ago.

[disha]

BRFs silence is loud indeed !

There are good reasons.

1. BRF'ites knew its inevitable a decade back*. It was not *if* but *when*. And *how*. This was perfectly timed to send down a shiver down Cheeni spine.
2. The aam-junta does not know what MIRV means. Heck, they do not even know the significance of SLBM or second strike or ability to bypass ABM defenses.
3. The timing is spectacular, and the aam brf'ite, is trying to digest 3 major news today:

a. Agni 5 MIRV
b. CAA notification on the eve of LS polls (major impact in W. Bengal)
c. Nethanhayu meeting Ajit Doval

*Thanks to Arun'ji.

[mody]

The Chinese had long called out its 8k range. However it is not clear 8k range against which payload? The media reports quote a 7k range, again, against what payload? a fully loaded MIRV payload? I dont think this stuff will ever have a black/white answer.

The Chinese had speculated the 8K range right after the first test. We have come a long way since then. The missile is now mostly all composite as opposed to the first test. At that time, the first stage was maraging steel. With a single warhead the range can easily be close to 10K. However, the weight of the warhead would determine the exact range.
The biggest news from the MIRV test is the confirmation that we have miniaturized our petals to a sufficient degree. This has much bigger significance. It also means that smaller missiles like the Agni-I, Agni-1P, Shaurya etc. would easily be able to carry a 400-500 Kg nuclear warhead to a much longer range.
It also means that our computer simulations and research are robust enough to enable us to refine our nuke warhead designs.

All in all a lungi dance moment. Speculating that India potentially has a capability to field MIRV and actually testing it and someday deploying it, has a lot of difference.

[Yogi_G]

I am confident that there will be a K-5 MIRV test in the offing soon, from a pontoon.

[Jayram]

Some more interesting info here
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 90461.html

Three years ago, Pakistan attempted to develop the multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle (MIRV) technology using 2.750 km Shaheen III missile with each warhead hitting the ground at the separation of two kilometres but as per DRDO top brass failed miserably.

On Monday evening, India test-fired Agni-V missile with three MIRVs over a distance of over 3000 km though the range of the missile is 5000 km. The name of the missile is key to MIRV as the warhead separates in space and the missile re-enters the atmosphere resembling a fireball (Agni) due to friction at a speed of some six kilometres per second. Each warhead comes down at different speeds and hits the ground with some 200 kilometres separating the point of impact.

Fact is that the PLA had stationed its two spy ships of Xiang Yang Hong class to monitor the Agni V test with Hong 01 crossing the Malacca Straits on March 7-8 night after India issued a NOTOM for test trials on March 7. The Hong 01 is currently stationed 500 km west of Vizag while sister ship Hong 03 is outside Maldivian EEZ to monitor the impact of the tested Indian missile in the South Indian Ocean.

[AdityaM]

Why does a mirv test need publicity? Would have expected it to be a standard obfuscated news item.

[drnayar]

Why does a mirv test need publicity? Would have expected it to be a standard obfuscated news item.

a MIRV is a MAD Weapon ..imagine 5 cities or one metropolis like Beijing completely reduced to ashes .. so it is a deterrent weapon much like a SLBM.

Deterrent weapons are publicly tested for their deterrence value. You won't hide it.

[Pratyush]

^^^^

An effective MIRV force requires a bit of publicity.

If the PRC was watching so much the better.

[Ashokk]

Pallav Bagla mentions on NDTV that MIRV was ready in 2012 but he was not allowed to reveal it. Dr. Saraswat was also there on the show and when he mentioned it there was a slight smile on his face.

[Prem Kumar]

I don't get this

If ready in 2012, were successive Govts twiddling their thumbs instead of fast-tracking it?

[vera_k]

Do what with it in 2012? The large scale centrifuge facilities were not built yet.

India Is Building a Top-Secret Nuclear City to Produce Thermonuclear Weapons, Experts Say

[VinodTK]

'Missile Rani': DRDO expert who spearheaded Agni-5 success

NEW DELHI: Missile expert R Sheena Rani spearheaded a Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO) team that was behind India's first flight-test of Agni-5 missile with multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle (MIRV) technology, which was launched on Monday from Dr A P J Abdul Kalam Island off the Odisha coast.

The 57-year-old led the missile project as programme director at Hyderabad-based ASL of DRDO, which developed the missile with multiple nuclear warheads that has not only put India in an elite club of nations but also raised eyebrows in China as 5,000-km-range missile covers almost all of India's neighbouring country with its range. She is also associate director of DRDO's ace lab ASL, which has developed Agni variants.
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[S_Madhukar]

Don’t really like the Chinese ships having such easy access in our backyard, I would drop huge balls of gobar on their instruments regularly until everyone could pick their smell miles away

[Ashokk]

I don't get this

If ready in 2012, were successive Govts twiddling their thumbs instead of fast-tracking it?

From the Deterrence thread -

A long overdue forward step has been taken.

FINALLY, Divyastra, 19 years late. Next up — Thermonuclear testing - Bharat Karnad

The MIRV tech has been collecting dust at the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), Hyderabad, for the last 19 years. It was a project lovingly shepherded to near completion by RN Agarwal, the then Director, ASL. He wanted to complete it by the time he retired in 2004. But the project missed the deadline by a year. In part because Dr Agarwal’s approaches since 2002 to the first BJP government of Atal Bihari Vajpayee for approval of a test launch of a MIRVed Agni did not elicit the response he had hoped for. The Vajpayee PMO, with Brajesh Mishra, the National Security Adviser-cum-Principal Private Secretary to the PM, heading it, repeatedly said NO! But Agarwal’s spirited campaign for the Indian MIRV project cost him a promotion. He was passed over for the post of DRDO chief and Secretary to the Govt of India (GOI), because Mishra feared Agarwal would use the DRDO pulpit to push MIRV, which Mishra did not want. The head of the Arjun Main Battle Tank Project, Dr M Natarajan, was appointed to lead DRDO instead.

The Manmohan Singh regime wouldn’t OK the MIRV test, and Narendra Modi didn’t either until sometime in late 2022 when he green-flagged the Divyastra test launch.

[Haridas]

BRFs silence is loud indeed !

There are good reasons.

1. BRF'ites knew its inevitable a decade back*. It was not *if* but *when*. And *how*. This was perfectly timed to send down a shiver down Cheeni spine.
2. The aam-junta does not know what MIRV means. Heck, they do not even know the significance of SLBM or second strike or ability to bypass ABM defenses.
3. The timing is spectacular, and the aam brf'ite, is trying to digest 3 major news today:

a. Agni 5 MIRV
b. CAA notification on the eve of LS polls (major impact in W. Bengal)
c. Nethanhayu meeting Ajit Doval

*Thanks to Arun'ji.

Bharat mata ki seva karney ka avsar diya.

Jai Bharat, and thanks to all masters who supported and guided. Specially Ramana garu.

It was fun serving labour of love web mastering BR Missile and Space section. Alas BR feud resulted in I pulling out the missile and space content.

Good day however for Bharat today.

Few old diagrams here.
https://twitter.com/HaridasKukkur/statu ... jd4rw&s=19

- Arun_S

[bala]

Bharat Shakti talks to Dr Avinash Chander, former DRDO head and distinguished missile scientist.

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) achieved a milestone with the successful maiden flight test of the Agni-5 missile, featuring the indigenous Multiple Independently Targetable Re-Entry Vehicle (MIRV) technology. Mission Divyastra, the test was conducted from Dr APJ Abdul Kalam Island in Odisha. With a reach extending to 5000 km, Agni-5 is India’s sole contender for the long-range Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) category. Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MIRVs) are integral to its design. It features several re-entry vehicles, each capable of carrying 2–10 nuclear warheads.

Avinash Chander confirms 800kms range Brahmos missile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UozAxAmhgb0