Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 01 Aug 2023 09:44

Folks A request please post more China news.
Most of you have smartphones and the Smart News App.
Daily five to ten stories are there.
Just click on Share and scroll to Open in browser.
Then copy the link and paste it or tweet it and post that here.

I feel we don't have enough coverage.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 01 Aug 2023 15:06

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politic ... n-campaign
https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-i ... caixin-pmi
https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/arti ... tion_china
Ramanji
Here we go
Internet blockades
and looking at some of the post on FM removal and Military shakeups something is cooking
And factory activity falling
And rolling out big carpets for tech firms!!

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 01 Aug 2023 21:12

ramana wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 09:42 The online meeting was XJP choice as he did not want to visit India for SCO meet.

Well someone needs to tell that to the Chinese scholars claiming that it is India that downgraded SCO to online.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2023 02:58

yensoy wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 21:12
ramana wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 09:42 The online meeting was XJP choice as he did not want to visit India for SCO meet.
Well someone needs to tell that to the Chinese scholars claiming that it is India that downgraded SCO to online.

It is not India's job to tell the Emperor has no clothes.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2023 02:59

Thanks rsatchi

hgupta · Post by **hgupta** » 02 Aug 2023 05:32

ramana wrote: ↑02 Aug 2023 02:58
yensoy wrote: ↑01 Aug 2023 21:12
Well someone needs to tell that to the Chinese scholars claiming that it is India that downgraded SCO to online.
It is not India's job to tell the Emperor has no clothes.

It should be when India's reputation is at stake. The Chinese scholars are attacking India's reputation out on the media.

AshishA · Post by **AshishA** » 02 Aug 2023 09:02

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 02 Aug 2023 10:58

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-econ ... e-and-stop
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-econ ... tate-firms
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1295353.shtml
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295487.shtml

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 03 Aug 2023 01:25

Listen to the propaganda response from China on decoupling:

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 03 Aug 2023 10:57

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295575.shtml
After Indo-Pacific and Quad the Northeast concerns for the Emperor
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diploma ... brics-club
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-econ ... t-yet-come

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Aug 2023 11:20

sanman wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 01:25 Listen to the propaganda response from China on decoupling:

The video was published 31st July 23. The channel has 1.38 million subscribers. Yet the video as of 11:18 AM IST on 3rd August 23 has only 484 views.

That says more than anything the video could say.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 03 Aug 2023 18:02

Another channel I like to watch:

So I'm not quite sure what's going on here -- China is reneging on American bondholders who hold Chinese bonds?
How is the market tolerating this?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Aug 2023 18:03

Rsatchi wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 10:57 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295575.shtml
After Indo-Pacific and Quad the Northeast concerns for the Emperor

The hubris got the better of the Chinese. That’s driving all major powers to the opposite camp. I am referring to the arrogant statement by the Chinese last year that the Taiwan Straits wasn’t an international waterway and it belonged to China. That really set alarm bells ringing everywhere, including in India.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 05 Aug 2023 00:20

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Aug 2023 08:55

SSridhar, Its corruption that unravels Chinese dynasties.
It indicates the inner circle is not sure of the dynasty and is busy enriching themselves.
This leads to rebellious people suppressing them, needs resources while the taxes shrivel.
These two jaws of the Chinese People Vise crush the dynasty.
Twelve dynasties history summarized.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 05 Aug 2023 16:07

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295713.shtml
Floods affecting major cities but no mention of devastation in Beijing
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202308/ ... 1a3da.html
https://english.news.cn/20230804/a10c98 ... 0e3/c.html

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Aug 2023 06:58

RSatchi

The NE China floods impact will be $300M to $500M damage.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 06 Aug 2023 08:40

ramana wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 06:58 RSatchi

The NE China floods impact will be $300M to $500M damage.

Million or Billion? 500M is chump change. And please provide reference for these claims.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 06 Aug 2023 12:00

Dubeyji
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295710.shtml
GT says overall(all Natural disasters) costing 5Billion
Direct economic loss of floods 15.8 billion Yuan
7 million affected

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 06 Aug 2023 13:51

Lol ! Put a zero after each number from GT and may be we'll get closer to reality. Just from the few videos on the internet which still leak out, the flood damage is colossal. Anyone remember hundreds of cars stuck in flooded tunnels last year and CCP running dozens of buses with blacked out windows to evacuate an unknown number of bodies.

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 06 Aug 2023 15:45

^^Sirji
Agreed
If they themselves are putting out such numbers then it would be at least x10 more
As Ramanaji said Emperor’s heavenly mandate seems to have run with a series of natural calamities
Some papers even headlining historical etc etc
Maybe if he leaves Beijing for BRICS there could be a change of guard at the palace who knows

RaviB · Post by **RaviB** » 06 Aug 2023 23:33

This is the report on the PLA Rocket Force that has the information that has (potentially) caused the death and investigation of its leaders due to suspicion of leaks.

Members with the required missile knowledge please read. everyone else, please download. It will probably disappear quickly.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portal ... zation.pdf

Anoop · Post by **Anoop** » 07 Aug 2023 04:40

I have a question for long time China watchers like SSridhar, RaviB, Ricky_v et al. Why does the CCCP eliminate all traces of existence (on line profile, photographs, meeting records, news items) of public persona who have fallen out of favor with them? Surely they can't be worried about investigations or legal challenges in the future relying on such evidence since they are the only legal authorities that matter. Is it a psychological deterrent to detractors that resonates with their culture? Or is it an extreme level of paranoia to leave no traces behind?
Thanks.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 07 Aug 2023 05:01

Anoop wrote: ↑07 Aug 2023 04:40 I have a question for long time China watchers like SSridhar, RaviB, Ricky_v et al. Why does the CCCP eliminate all traces of existence (on line profile, photographs, meeting records, news items) of public persona who have fallen out of favor with them? Surely they can't be worried about investigations or legal challenges in the future relying on such evidence since they are the only legal authorities that matter. Is it a psychological deterrent to detractors that resonates with their culture? Or is it an extreme level of paranoia to leave no traces behind?
Thanks.

I think the ruling establishment just want that person erased, because they represent a stain on the party's supposedly perfect image.

They want them gone, so that things can move on. That person will be replaced with someone else. And there's no need to shame or stigmatize the offender in the eyes of the public, since the public's opinion don't matter, only their acquiescence and obedience.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2023 11:26

SCMP reports

https://amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar ... ions-china

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 07 Aug 2023 11:45

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1295785.shtml
Something like AUKUS on18th?? and hence the hit jobs appearing on GT
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202307/1294964.shtml
https://1253985869.vod2.myqcloud.com/ee ... 100040.mp4

Cyrano · Post by **Cyrano** » 07 Aug 2023 13:09

CCP diligently carrying out Orwell's playbook 1984. What you have erased has never existed. Zimble !

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 07 Aug 2023 15:49

And Orwell copied from the Egyptians and Babylonians and other ancient civilizations
Look what happenend to Hatsepsut completely erased.
Holds good in the era of no internet/TV news etc bt present gen it will be difficult
Still 3 Gens down the line one has to really dig into google/wiki/internet etc to find out about him.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Aug 2023 20:55

Basically XJP is allowing RE clean up.
Could be a Kissinger condition.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-r ... 2023-8?amp

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 08 Aug 2023 00:37

What are the motivations of Neville Roy Singham?

Is he just a crooked mercenary? Or is he some kind of ideologue?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 08 Aug 2023 02:35

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Aug 2023 09:10

Sanman, Is Neville Roy Singham ~~naturalized~~ US citizen?
Whats his story?

Odd a US millionaire stays in China and funds deplorables in India!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham

and his father:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_W._Singham

So Sri Lankan origin but India media claims he is Indian!!!

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 08 Aug 2023 15:55

Anoop wrote: ↑07 Aug 2023 04:40 I have a question for long time China watchers like SSridhar, RaviB, Ricky_v et al. Why does the CCCP eliminate all traces of existence (on line profile, photographs, meeting records, news items) of public persona who have fallen out of favor with them? Surely they can't be worried about investigations or legal challenges in the future relying on such evidence since they are the only legal authorities that matter. Is it a psychological deterrent to detractors that resonates with their culture? Or is it an extreme level of paranoia to leave no traces behind?
Thanks.

Anoop, imo, if you ask the chinese to describe their society (ideal) in one word, most would say harmonious or tranquil, this is the highest concept in chinese polity and this is the basis around which every other function is arranged. Every other variable comes after, like with the border issue with india, the chinese state that though the relations are strained in one aspect, the overall harmony of the relationship must be maintained, primarily in the form of a skewed trade, that india does not consider this harmony to be the highest attainable aspect of its polity is something that the chinese are perpetually amazed to find.

In this sense, people are bumped off metaphorical lists because the event never happened you see, and when the events never happened, then there is no chance of any discordant thoughts; its the culmination of the adage: "who will you believe, me, or your lying eyes?" and lying eyes are dangerous to a person's well-being so the common citizenry moves along as per the whims and fancies of the suits notwithstanding how foolish their representatives are behaving.

The question is also, why is there so much focus on societal harmony? some chinese scholars think it is because china was a lone civilsation amongst barbarians and satellite civilisations and smothering by civic ennui was the preferred form of governance.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 03:41

Why the hell hasn't Taiwan revised its stance on LAC?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 07:02

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 07:03

ramana wrote: ↑08 Aug 2023 09:10 Sanman, Is Neville Roy Singham ~~naturalized~~ US citizen?
Whats his story?

Odd a US millionaire stays in China and funds deplorables in India!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham

and his father:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_W._Singham

So Sri Lankan origin but India media claims he is Indian!!!

Good to know. But what is the root of his self-proclaimed ideological support for China & Maoism?
Or is he just a money-hungry mercenary paying mere lip-service to China's ruling establishment?

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 07:03

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 07:20

China slipping into deflation?
That will be Xi's worst mess yet.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 08:37

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Aug 2023 08:43