10/7 vs 9/11 (Israel-Gaza) Strategic Fallout & Implications

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 04 Nov 2023 17:16

drnayar wrote: ↑04 Nov 2023 16:54 The Israeli army needs to depopulate gaza and remove that threat once and for all .

There does not seem to be a "peaceful" option [ pun intended ]

Russia is trying hard to get the US involved., a third carrier group is on its way. Once Hizbul and Lebanon enters the fray this would be a two front, even a multifront with the houthis and odd tag militias on the fray .. Nothing will make Putin happier than US bombing Lebanon , iran .. !!!

Those groups (Lebanon, Arabs, Iran, etc) are impotent against USA (see invasion of Iraq) -- and so I don't see how Russia can derive a lot of benefit from US bombing those groups/countries.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 05 Nov 2023 02:02

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Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Nov 2023 00:43

Iran-Saudi cooperation would usher in an era of Sunni-Shia unity and would signal the beginning of the end for the longstanding divide and conquer strategies that worked so well for so many decades. The West/Jews/neocons and their minions were quite successful at pitting the Sunni and Shia against each other (aided by the inherent nature of the peacefuls) up until the Chinese brokered peace deal between Iran and Saudi, then the Gaza war, upended that whole dynamic.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Nov 2023 00:52

sanman wrote: ↑04 Nov 2023 08:21 Wagner aiding Hezbollah?

Payback for Israel aiding ISIS, bombing SAA, etc.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 09 Nov 2023 04:42

Y. Kanan wrote: ↑09 Nov 2023 00:43 Iran-Saudi cooperation would usher in an era of Sunni-Shia unity and would signal the beginning of the end for the longstanding divide and conquer strategies that worked so well for so many decades.

How do you square the above with Abraham accords, IMEC, and the Israel-SA accord that was in the works as late as Oct 6th?

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 09 Nov 2023 16:52

PETER HITCHENS: I fear we are now living in a pre-war age... Are we so sure that, because our lives are modern and often prosperous, we live in a safe world? We shouldn't be

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... nt-be.html

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Nov 2023 07:49

"Oh - Israel calling - sorry, Zelensky, time to put you on hold - go beg for peace in the meantime"

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Nov 2023 08:06

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Nov 2023 09:02

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Nov 2023 09:12

Musk quotes "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind"

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 10 Nov 2023 09:38

How does Yakhont compare to Brahmos?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2023 09:42

Brahmos is a further development of the Yakhont.

Therefore, Yakhont should be less capable than the Brahmos.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 10 Nov 2023 10:23

The Brahmos can fly significantly lower (making it harder to detect/hit), is faster (lesser reaction time to counter) and has more accurate guidance systems than the Yakhont.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 10 Nov 2023 12:54

sanman wrote: ↑01 Nov 2023 06:06 We abstained - was it right?
Should we complain if others then abstain in regards to terrorism against us?

Our problem is that we are economically vulnerable to those who harbour sectarian allegiances against us.
We have to figure out how to remove this vulnerability.

We supported the resolution that asked for Humanitarian aid to Gaza AND condemned Hamas's terrorism. The resolution we abstained from did not have the Hamas link. US and Israel made it clear (at the time) that no aid was going to go into Gaza unless there was a resolution condemning Hamas. Our goal was to get aid to civilians, not just posture at the UN.

Deans · Post by **Deans** » 10 Nov 2023 13:00

If the US & Israel are serious, now is the time to go after:

1. Terrorist financing, incl those countries like block actions by FATF (Turkey and Qatar which prevented Pakistan from going to the black list
also support Hamas).
2. Politicians in the West who support Hamas (since they are also against our position on Kashmir).
3. Get tough with countries harboring those backing terrorism.

If the war is long enough, or escalates, my hope is some of this might actually happen.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 10 Nov 2023 19:09

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 11 Nov 2023 06:50

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NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Nov 2023 19:33

George Washington University, Oct 13, 2023.

The Hamas Networks in America: A Short History

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 17 Nov 2023 00:33

Erdogan can taunt Israel, because West needs him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR-Vh4EqIpo

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 17 Nov 2023 03:38

Bay Bridge in SF. Pro-Palestine protestors have blocked the bridge by parking their cars on the bridge and tossing the keys into the bay!!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Nov 2023 03:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0O0jfgls

"3/4 of Palestinians SUPPORT Hamas | The Caroline Glick Show In-Focus"

In the above YT video, Jews are learning, extremely fast, about Islam.

. What is "hudna". How long can it last. ........

They have also built a flow diagram of all Palestine-leaning employees with the State Dept. Apparently, Israel is under immense pressure, from the White House, to scale back. And, it is suspected that Biden is agreeing because of the Palestinians within the SD metering info to Biden.

WH has issued instructions to ID, and tag all Jews in the West Bank that are causing problems. The plan is to deny them US Visas and potentially sanction them!

She also mentions why Israel relies on the US for ammunition (the US does not want Israel to be self-sufficient).

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 20 Nov 2023 20:53

Looks like Hareetz published a false article abt a ‘IDF helicopter attacking hamas at rave festival and hitting civilians’. No such thing happened but now commis and a few pukis are running to town abt a false flag Op.

Looks like we are not the only cursed people . Wonder what motivates folks like Hareetz to self destruct

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 20 Nov 2023 21:16

Letter from a tank commander in Gaza to the Israeli people. I cannot confirm its authenticity, but it appears to be real:

Hamas is stronger than the left. It is also stronger than the right, and also Bibi & Ben Gvir. Our enemy is stronger than Israeli high-tech and the settlement enterprise. Tel Aviv's beautiful soul has no chance against them, nor does the periphery.

But Hamas has no chance against Israel. When we are united and mobilized, they retreat into their tunnels and pray for a ceasefire.

This war has stuck me in a tank, sharing it with two comrades, between two "Shiny Sheens" one who served a year and one who served four, a Smotrich voter, and a Ben Gvir voter, and I seemingly have nothing in common with them. But the army's melting pot poured us back into one unit, a tank crew. At some point, we adopted and started talking about everything. About the Haredim, about the Supreme Court, public transportation, core studies, even sexuality, everything.

And what did we discover? That we agree on about 90% of the issues. Let's assume they are really nice and were being agreeable, so about 80%.

Until about a month and a half ago, they were the enemy. We met on both sides of the fence, but Hamas reminded us that we are essentially on the same side.

Our politicians draw their strength from the division between us. They take the 10% - 20% disagreement between us and turn it into the main thing, because that's what gives them a mandate to "represent" us, to fight in our name. They do it at the expense of our security, our welfare, our taxes, and our freedom (also our freedom to pray, by the way).

I see many people looking for ways to contribute to the war effort, Sending underwear, socks, cigarettes, and combat gear. Moroccan mothers who sent us fish and couscous for Shabbat, and kibbutz retirees who drove these pots to across the country. Techies who came to install 360-degree cameras on the tank, something the army is not quick and flexible enough to do on its own. And hilltop youth that the army refused to draft at all, came on Saturday, cut, sowed, and stitched so that we wouldn't enter Gaza without protective covers shielding us from drones.

As far as I'm concerned, the most important contribution is for you to unite as a people, work to come closer. Focus on the similarities and set aside a bit of difference. Invent frameworks that will connect us even outside the army. I know it's complicated with issues of kosher and modesty and separation and no-separation, but I trust you.

This is the most important thing, that we be together. Because we, the soldiers, from all our tribes, enter enemy territory and endanger our lives not for any government or politician, but for the people of Israel.

Please, make sure we have a country to return to.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 21 Nov 2023 03:00

I do not recall in which thread I posted the hijacking of a ship, but this video provides an update.

Apparently, the Houthis (pronounced Housie) landed on the ship via a helicopter (Russian Mi)(Houthis provided a video of the landing). Bet nobody gamed this one too, like gliders used by Hamas. Very interesting info in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq-CuORNJcs

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 21 Nov 2023 17:19

Interesting details.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 22 Nov 2023 03:41

https://twitter.com/BernsteinReich/stat ... 3660629478

Spicy aaloo was Or Moses’ favorite home food. Or’s family are of Indian origin. Or was killed during an heroic fight against Hamas terrorists on Oct 7th. Namaste Restaurant from the city Ashdod made this dish in memory of Or.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Nov 2023 17:40

Russia's Wagner Group May Provide Air Cover to Hezbollah/Iranians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZFDAaxikn0

sanman · Post by **sanman** » 23 Nov 2023 18:14

Obama's former US Director of Palestine & Israel Affairs Arrested for Hate Crime / Harassment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvNq0ja5wDA

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Nov 2023 11:33

Data points. Disregard the headlines and graphics below.