News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 02 May 2011 11:46

OSAMA bin Laden was holed up in a two-storey house 100 metres from a Pakistani military academy when four helicopters carrying US anti-terror forces swooped in the early morning hours of Monday and killed him.

Pakistani officials and a witness said bin Laden's guards opened fire from the roof of the building, and one of the choppers crashed.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/wo ... z1LAvTfHoR

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 02 May 2011 11:46

Australian PM included congratulatory message to Pak in her speech on this development

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 11:46

The last time there was a military operation against the pure in Lal Mosque in islamabad, Pakistan is still dealing with the backlash.

Now with OBL himself being killed. This could be absolute disaster in Pakistan.

There will be a severe backlash against the Pakistani army, the ISI, and the Pakistani state.
Pakistan probably will be eager to highlight the fact that they were not informed, so as to get some rehem from the Jihadis.

Interesting pic of the YYY axis as allies of the US.

Karzai on TV live from the Afghan Parliament - amid claps from the members, says OBL is enemy of Humanity.

He is saying something about Abbottabad and Pakistan - should be interesting

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 11:48

Image of the nearby military airbases and airports around abbottabad.
One can rule out Muzzafarabad - that is a Jihadi stronghold.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 02 May 2011 11:48

CRamS wrote:Nobody is answering my question. Assuming TSPA/ISI were hoodwinked, how is it possible for US to pull off something like this so stealthily? Is it possible to send in helicopters and other ammunition without TSPA knowing? I find that hard to believe. Or could it be that the operation was launched, and then TSPA was informed and told them any hanky panky, GHQ and Kahuta will be dust?

I am sure it would have been that any nonsense then US will really attack Pakistan. Probably this moment for them was just like when Bush said I will bomb you back to stone age. CRS what I fear is that pukes and ISI may allow some jihadis do some a big attack or series of attacks on India (and Indian interests in Afghanistan) to vent out their frustration.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 May 2011 11:48

Kati ji NSA of India ? i mean are you talking about activities on our Indian side

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 11:49

seals have a CT unit called 'development group' ... the famous rogue warrior book by richard marcinko mentions it.

confirms my theory one of the guards unleash a RPG LAW and felled one heli at point blank range. his security detail would be atleast a platoon(40) of the die hard "nubian warrior cum jihadi" types

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 11:50

CRamS wrote:Nobody is answering my question. Assuming TSPA/ISI were hoodwinked, how is it possible for US to pull off something like this so stealthily? Is it possible to send in helicopters and other ammunition without TSPA knowing? I find that hard to believe. Or could it be that the operation was launched, and then TSPA was informed and told them any hanky panky, GHQ and Kahuta will be dust?

If the israelis could do entebbe, it was because they were not communicating with the Ugandans, why is it so difficult to do a covert op in TSP if you don't discuss beforehand with TSP?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 May 2011 11:50

Gagan wrote:The last time there was a military operation against the pure in Lal Mosque in islamabad, Pakistan is still dealing with the backlash.

Now with OBL himself being killed. This could be absolute disaster in Pakistan.

There will be a severe backlash against the Pakistani army, the ISI, and the Pakistani state.
Pakistan probably will be eager to highlight the fact that they were not informed, so as to get some rehem from the Jihadis.

Pakis have already claimed that it was a joint operation. (To get baksheesh). These government statements will surely be noted by guys in black turbans. Expect some IED mubaraks. Kayani should get the Zia-treatment.

On the other hand, the western media has already reported that only American troops were involved. No baksheesh.

Worst of both worlds.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 May 2011 11:50

Singhaji but if one RPG felled the heli why no casualties on Khan side

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 May 2011 11:51

X Posted from the Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism thread.

Our Home Minister P. Chidambaram of the Islamic Terrorist supporting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

States that the execution of Osama Bin Laden “deep inside Pakistan” once gain “underlines our concern that terrorists belonging to different organisations find sanctuary in Pakistan”:

The complete statement via PIB:

Osama Killing Underlines that Terrorists of Different Organisations Find Sanctuary in Pakistan

P. Chidambaram, Union Home Minister

P. Chidambaram has issued a statement on the killing of terrorist Osama Bin Laden as confirmed by the US President. Following is the text of his statement:

“Earlier today the United States Government informed the Government of India that Osama Bin Laden had been killed by security forces somewhere “deep inside Pakistan.” After the September 11, 2001 terror attack, the US had reason to seek Osama Bin Laden and bring him and his accomplices to justice.

We take note with grave concern that part of the statement in which President Obama said that the fire fight in which Osama Bin Laden was killed took place in Abbotabad “deep inside Pakistan”. This fact underlines our concern that terrorists belonging to different organisations find sanctuary in Pakistan. We believe that the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attack, including the controllers and handlers of the terrorists who actually carried out the attack, continue to be sheltered in Pakistan. We once again call upon the Government of Pakistan to arrest the persons whose names have been handed over to the Interior Minister of Pakistan as well as provide voice samples of certain persons who are suspected to be among the controllers and handlers of the terrorists.”

RS/PKM
(Release ID :71890)

PIB

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 May 2011 11:51

SwamyG wrote:Ram: Wait and See.

I find the whole celebration superficial, and a tad silly I must say. A super power dancing on the streets at the death of a terrorist. Give me a break. And that too after all the blood has been spilled in Iraq. The trillions spent etc. No doubt, I would credit the US military, Pentagon, CIA etc for tracking OBL down, but I am not sure I see this euphoria have any signifcant impact in the manner in which you are speculating.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 11:52

The mansion built for OBL is very close to Military Hospital Kakul.

Convenient indeed?

OBL has in the past utilized the facilities of the pakistani military hospitals in Peshawar. So MH Kakul is not new.
I don't think that OBL would be going to MH kakul, the doctors would be going to his mansion to take care of him.

The women killed might have been nurses looking after him.

Now OBL had asked his bodyguards to shoot him if there was a risk he'd be captured. Have to find out if the US forces killed him or one of his bodyguards.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 11:53

^^
CRamSji,
It is the ordinary people on streets celebrating. Emotions flowing naturally. Nothing to do with super power status.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 02 May 2011 11:53

AnantD wrote: If the israelis could do entebbe, it was because they were not communicating with the Ugandans, why is it so difficult to do a covert op in TSP if you don't discuss beforehand with TSP?

Unless TSPA consists of a bunch of eunuchs, I can't imagine there are no radars, no surface to air missiles etc deployed so close to the TSPA military academy where this house was located.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 02 May 2011 11:54

Islamic terrorist Ummah seems to have been orphaned

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 May 2011 11:54

could have hit the engine or tail. pilot cut motor and fuel and set it down hard. could be a gunship like apache with just two crew in tough crash protection seats and BP glass.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 May 2011 11:55

suryag wrote:Singhaji but if one RPG felled the heli why no casualties on Khan side

No details yet, but perhaps the pilot managed to get the bird down safely after it was disabled.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 02 May 2011 11:55

CRS,

America was never attacked on its soil not even during the two world wars. this is closest most have come to seeing a war on their soil. And most of these people were alive then. The joy is just natural expression of happiness at some accomplishment of their armed forces.

there was no joy when Saddam was caught. but today is a different story.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 May 2011 11:56

militaryphotos.net guys are discovering the discussions and R&Dho going on in Pakistani Defence forums now.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 11:57

The news says that the helo came down due to a malfunction. And that US forces destroyed that helo.
No casualties reported from the US side.

What an operation!!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 11:57

ArmenT wrote:militaryphotos.net guys are discovering the discussions and R&Dho going on in Pakistani Defence forums now.

Please post a link.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 02 May 2011 11:58

....no....US-NSA.........those guys pulled out at the last moment due to an "extremely important mission related to nat'al security".....

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 02 May 2011 11:58

Destroyed to such an extent that the heli type couldn't be made out? Or is press access to this restricted? The make of the heli could give some hint as to the kind of operation.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 May 2011 11:59

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." -Mark Twain

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 11:59

suryag wrote:Singhaji but if one RPG felled the heli why no casualties on Khan side

The US SF/Seals blew up the Paki heli bringing in OBL's detachment at short range with a anti-tank shoulder-fired weapon, why would they have casualties doing this.

The nubian guard must have fallen from 50 to 150 ft and died upon impact with the ground.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:00

Pakis are bulldozing OBL's house now.

jimmy_moh · Post by **jimmy_moh** » 02 May 2011 12:00

anyway pakistan is involved [informed] or not... at the end of the day US will defenetly give some credit to pakis for sure... i think US still need pak soil

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 12:01

Prasad wrote:Destroyed to such an extent that the heli type couldn't be made out? Or is press access to this restricted? The make of the heli could give some hint as to the kind of operation.

They are just destroying evidence that the helicopter was a Paki one, not a US one.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 May 2011 12:01

Anujan wrote:Pakis are bulldozing OBL's house now.

like hosing Benazir's assassination site?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 12:02

The mission was apparently launched form Tarbela.

Possible Joint operation of the US and Pakistan.

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 02 May 2011 12:03

This is GREAT NEWS! AoA!!

CRamS wrote:Nobody is answering my question. Assuming TSPA/ISI were hoodwinked, how is it possible for US to pull off something like this so stealthily? Is it possible to send in helicopters and other ammunition without TSPA knowing? I find that hard to believe. Or could it be that the operation was launched, and then TSPA was informed and told them any hanky panky, GHQ and Kahuta will be dust?

If the TSPA were given advanced warning, they would certainly have moooved their biggest cash cow of all time to a safer location. The fact that the Americans had to use helos to get in and out, and also the fact that they did not use the very nearby field for landing and takeoff, tells me that they went in hot and fast, and without any official TSP permission -- otherwise there would have been ground support.

The Americans have what are known as "black helicopters". In addition to being painted flat-black, they can operate very quitely because they have active noise cancellation technology on-board. This technology consists of high-speed computers and high-powered speakers that emit the exact opposite noise as the engines and rotors, thereby cancelling the bulk of the helo's sound, beyond a very tight envelope. From what I understand, such a helicopter can fly-in very low, under any radar, and hover within 100m of you and you wouldn't even hear it. The first clue you'd have is that kerosene smell in the downwash blowing at you from a strange angle.

Destroying the lost chopper is about destroying this noise-cancelling technology.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 May 2011 12:04

Gagan wrote:
ArmenT wrote:militaryphotos.net guys are discovering the discussions and R&Dho going on in Pakistani Defence forums now.
Please post a link.

Here's one
Another one
Go up and down the thread and you'll find quite a few more.

Nandan D · Post by **Nandan D** » 02 May 2011 12:04

BHO destroyed all his credibility when he had the oppurtunity because of "praise the Pakis" BS.

He was very guarded. He praised Zardari. Almost like he is trying to prop him up and isolate him from ISI and military. This is Obama's moment of triumph. And possibly his ticket for re-election.

He doesn't want it overshadowed by a diplomatic war with pakistan.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:05

National security adviser Thomas E. Donilon prepared the formal orders and convened senior national security officials that afternoon to plan for the operation. Only a “very small number” of people within the U.S. government knew about it, one official said.

That lays to rest all speculations of whether the Pakis knew about it. Nobody in Massa knew about it to begin with!

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 02 May 2011 12:05

Did Pasha's going to US earlier this month have anything to do with this? Did he skedaddle back within 24 hrs because he was told the jig was up?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 02 May 2011 12:06

If it was indeed a joint operation, then the Pakis must have either been threatened with absolute annihilation or assurance of a massive military and economic aid package.One has to have a IQ of a squirrel to believe ISI was oblivious about Osama's whereabouts when he was infact quite literally living among them!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 12:06

There is a big military cantt in Tarbela just below the Tarbela Dam

One of the Bali bombers was arrested and he was from abbottabad.

Some news that there was intel from this guy that there is a high value target in abbottabad.

Vril · Post by **Vril** » 02 May 2011 12:07

Jammu: Blast 'to avenge Osama' kills 1

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/blast ... 110502.htm

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 02 May 2011 12:07

Body has already been buried at sea. Source. CNN on TV.