News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 May 2011 17:24

The fact that many good people (GP for eg) choose to come on times shows the respect the channel wields amongst the true intellectuals. we have data points all over the graph

^^ Well, NDTV is the closest to the PMO/GoI( and that's why their thought process though irritating is sadly the voice of GoI)...and NDTV also attracts amazing people ( and Pakis) to most of its shows. So, don't think it can be taken as a data-point, IMHO.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 04 May 2011 17:30

No Prabhu,

They are not tilting towards India, just following their enlightened self interests. This was a crucial opertaion, they would not have left anything come between them and success. What India should do now is focus on the aid Pak gets. Lobby the US govt and congress and block their aid. Tell the people...'hey see where your tax dollars or pounds are going'.

Lets hope Pranab Mukherjee and team are on the ball here.

A

John · Post by **John** » 04 May 2011 17:33

Looks i like i was right about him going there after Tora Bora (so much for the notion of him hinding in caves), it has been confirmed from US that Bin Laden was in that location for 6 years

Talk about adding fuel to fire US senate is going to rip Pakistan into shreds

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 04 May 2011 17:38

Sorry if already posted.

This article points to the heli that crashed.

One of the two primary assault helicopters, an HH-60 Pave Hawk lost its lift, landed hard and had to be destroyed. The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety.

Some pics of this heli

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 May 2011 17:51

Kasuri is spinning on" high walls": ( on Headlines Today) his point is that in this part of the country esp NWFP and north people follow parda and high wall is expression of that. Also most of them have high walls from security point of view as well.

Does he mean that other neighbors in the vicinity and abbottabad didn't follow parda/security?? In other words ,are they Bad muslims and only osmama followed parda??

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 May 2011 17:53

what is important for us is that heli crashed.. and that has to be noted., it crashed at the right use.

now, from all these satellite images and pin points, there exists no point at precision targeting in the future.. you know what I am getting at? there are too many targets there and has become irrelevant to special ops for us.

the whole area needs sanitization.

[neutron]

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 04 May 2011 17:59

Atriji,

And what did Chidu get for his troubles. NDTV said, he overreacted and that was not official Govt of India policy. This is a congress Home Minister who has issued an official statement through his office and a news channel says that is not govt policy. Wow! If they have so much power then it is truly worrying.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 04 May 2011 18:01

The whole area needs sanitization ! Saiji, how true

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 May 2011 18:04

Kasuri is now quantifying in monetary terms how much they have lost due to all this;$100bn. Says US can do nothing if they want to be adversarial as they have no leverage on Pakistan. They are already suffering great.

Of course they have nothing to lose but their chaddi. That is lost too with OBL.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 04 May 2011 18:06

So OBL was transitioning from pure-ops jihadi to consultant role for LeT and HM. Perhaps, he was a kind of mediator b/w Muridke and Muzzafarabad?

CT: OBL had a big hand in 26/11, India makes a deal with sher-khan that for all the dossiers and evidence presented by India and the inaction by TSP, the US would take out OBL (and possibly others) if India detected another attack coming its way.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 May 2011 18:14

chaanakya-ji, you mean all this time gubo was being done WITH chaddi on?
no wonder it hurt the HnD

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2011 18:24

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Any views on how this plays out in next stage. Already hearing a clamour for US and UK to speed up withdrawal form Afhganistan now that 'the job is done'. Largely from politicians. Some analysts are saying concentrate on Pak now.

What are the implications for India in both scenarios?
Implications for US/UK aid to Pakistan? I heard a lot of analysis on Paki equipment aid from the US.

Worse case scenario for India

- US buys Paki line that you need us in Afghanistan and takes no further action to punish them for hosting OBL.
- Election victory ensured and vengance done by 'getting our man' Obama supported by public opinion hasten withdrawal from Afhganistan
- UK opinion cools down under intense Paki diaspora and Labour Lib Dem lobbying
- Aid continues to Pak and Pak concentrates on building up arty and air power against India.
- Pak moves in to Afghanistan slowly after US departure and achive their dream of strategic depth
- Simulataneously Pak throws sop to LeT et all to vent frustartion at India
- Terrorist attacks in India
- Manmohan displays 'Manmohan Anger' ie raves and rants on national tv ala 26/11 but does nothingclaim
- The indian political and bureaucractic community doesnt care - why should they? They have their dedicated personal security
- Manmohan Singh ably aided by India media, congress/left and the IFS lobby muddles along trying to dig wells in Afghanistan and build schools and roads but stays away from strategic issues
- China is invited in by Pak as next paymaster
- China completes land route to Gwador and builds multiple roads to Afghanistan
- Karzai and co pusnished for speaking up against Pak
- Pak gets strategic depth, China pulls the strings, ring of pearls completed with a beautiful ruby fortuitously delivered
- Its 2015, we have practically NO tube arty, airforce has 25 really active fighter squadrons with almost no A2G capability (Jaguars reengining never happened - single vendor problem, MIG 27 have engine problems and MMCRA induction is atleast a decade away)
- Pak decides to settle the main score - 1971! And our Chinese friends decide to join in - ala Vivek Ahuja's scenarios
- Assam erupts ala Kashmir...the Bangladeshi immigrants have reached critical mass
- The party is on

Sir you have written an entire novel, a tragedy to be precise under the guise of a single post.

You could have started a new thread with the name "Victory of the Ghazis" and expanded each point into a paragraph and made it into a short story thread. I don't read short stories - so I must admit that I got tired of reading your scenario after the first 6-7 points.

There is another way in which you can look at all the points you have made. That way is to think "Yes. This is exactly what is going to happen". Once we accept that this is exactly what is going to happen any other possibility is eliminated and we can be at peace, knowing what comes next.

The only problem is supposing some point that you have made in your lo-oooong list is wrong - it may be discovered after 2-3 years by which time your post would have been trashed and there will be nobody to say "Nayahaha Akshay Kapoor was wrong. Let him eat crow" That is the difference between serious commentators who write archived articles for the media and BRF. On BRF we can write truth or trash Both get deleted after a while and no one remains to praise or curse.

You list is so long that it gets frighteningly boring for anyone to even bother refuting or arguing in a point by point fashion. Easier to say "Yeah yeah sure. You're right" and be done with it. Since you have so easily summarized everything that will happen over the next few years in a mother of all dhoti shivering and langoti knotting post- anyone who even wants to put up a feeble argument to say that things might not happen that way will get all tied up because he has a whole 3 hour question paper to answer. Each point is worth discussing in detail and many have already been discussed here many times.

But seriously - if you are yourself interested why don't you take up the challenge and state why each and every one of your points will happen the way you say it, rather than putting a fearsome long list of dreadful conclusions and asking others to say whether they can or cannot happen that way. Of course they can. But can you say why? One by one please?

TIA

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 04 May 2011 18:27

Kati wrote:a must read....

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110504/j ... 936650.jsp

things may not be that dull for Pak

BS. Why is it the lefty trash "The telegraph" work so hard to make porkistan look good?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 04 May 2011 18:37

Is this the first real photo of dead Osama? - Rediff

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 May 2011 18:41

No. His beard is trimmed by SEALS? Where is his splattered brain?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2011 18:44

saip wrote:No. His beard is trimmed by SEALS? Where is his splattered brain?

I though he was shot in the left eye. The right eye is photoshopped a bit. The brain would have spattered out from the back.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 04 May 2011 18:45

Does anyone know of the claims and denials between the US and Pakis that the SEALS actually left with OBL's body and a live inmate of that compound. I heard it on CNN during lunch break today.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 04 May 2011 18:46

AnimeshP wrote:Zaid Hamid is back !!! Patton style speech ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3dmzKd6fQ

Warning by the mahdi to the YYY ....

"We've ruled you for 1000 years and we'll rule for another 1000"
"....we'll see you in Delhi once again...."

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2011 18:49

Amazing!
Pakistani perfidity knows no bounds.
They have been caught with their pants down for sheltering OBL all these years. They are shivering with fear right now. Obama's display of momentary insanity, and brutalness caused them to brown their pants.

And they are counter threatening the US that further cooperation from them is conditional to more AID!

They are going to bargain the US's public breach of their sovereignty for $100 billion and some other demands!

Could it be that they have realized that the US really really badly needs them after all?

The storm that US-Pakistan relations is now currently is eventually going to settle down to earlier patterns, but not any time soon I can see.

The thing is that Pakistan is going to use this interim to reassess the security of all its ISI protectees, moving them around to new safe houses. I hope the US is watching.

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 04 May 2011 18:50

kmkraoind wrote:Is this the first real photo of dead Osama? - Rediff

Boss this is picked from the daily mail news article which clearly says its fake

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... photo.html

Christopher Sidor · Post by **Christopher Sidor** » 04 May 2011 18:56

With some americans screaming on the top of the lungs and saying "pakistan should explain, Osamas presence, less than 100 kms from Islamabad" one is left mystified. Either these americans are not aware of history or now with their main target, Osama, out of the way they believe that there is no need to keep up pretensions anymore.

Consider the following Alqeda operatives picked up from urban pakistan
1) Abu Zubaydah - Picked up in 2002 from Faisabad, Punjab. Accused of taking part in the East African bombings of american embassies.
2) Ramzi Binalshibh - Picked up in 2002 from Karachi, Sindh. Accused of being one of the crucial players in 9/11 attack.
3) Khalid Shaikh Mohammad - Picked up in 2003 from Rawalpindi, Punjab. Accused of being mastermind behind 9/11 attacks.
4) Ammar Al Baluchi - Picked up in 2003 from Karachi, Sindh. Accused of transferring money to 9/11 hijackers.
5) Abu Faraj al-Libi - Picked up in 2005 from Mardan, NWFP. Accused of being one of the master mind of the failed 2006 plot.
6) Umar Patek - Picked up in 2011 from Abbotabad, the district where Osama met his fate. Accused of taking part in Bali bombings of 2002.

Alqeda and other trans-national terrorist were hiding "in plane sight" in Pakistan long before Osama was doing the same. So why are all the americans getting upset about? It does seem to me to be a bit hypocritical of them. The info was staring right at their faces, but they choose to look away from it. We should not rule out the possibility that the outrage that is being displayed by some americans is just that for show purpose.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 04 May 2011 19:01

Not sure if this was posted earlier.

Jon Stewart's take on day 2. Very funny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/0 ... 57329.html

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 04 May 2011 19:05

Christopher Sidor wrote:. Either these americans are not aware of history or now with their main target, Osama, out of the way they believe that there is no need to keep up pretensions anymore.

Brand recognition. Also they dont know history really.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2011 19:28

Some further questions raised here at BRF are getting answered.

Pakistani authorities have released the contractor who built the house after interrogation.
The plan of the house had not been approved by the due authorities (what else)
This is pakistan! I'll bet even aiwan-e-sadr's design is not approved or atleast any extensions or changes that have been done on it.

Madhusudhan · Post by **Madhusudhan** » 04 May 2011 19:43

Surprised Hamid Gul's name hasn't come up much - He could be in the middle of all this..

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2011 19:43

Osama was apparently preparing to flee the compound! The US says.

Manish Jain · Post by **Manish Jain** » 04 May 2011 19:54

The Daily Show tweet -

Been debating all day over the pronunciation of Pakistan. PA-kih-stan? PAH-kih-stahn? Lying sons of bitches? This is driving us crazy!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 04 May 2011 19:55

Christopher Sidor:
It is a simple answer. They are screaming now, because that is the official line now; and the analysts and media are towing that line. American media is far from totally independent when it comes to foreign policy affairs. They show their might in areas where they have the green signal. It took Rachel Maddow and Co. this many years to list the various captures in Pakistan, similar to what you have done here, and blame Pakistan.

The benefit I see is any change in public sentiment from being neutral to against Pakistan. But then, public mind is fickle and sentiments can be manufactured and shaped over the long run. However, Pakistan has suffered a serious dent that is irreversible for some time to come. Will the public sentiment be enough to reduce or cut aid to Pakistan is one of the key areas to be monitored.

Talking about public mind, it will be interesting to read the minds of Pakistanis. It was probably an open secret in their society that OBL lived/hid there. Groups sympathetic to him are going to be mad at Unkil and ISI/Army. Groups against him are going to be mad that their ISI/Army deceived them. How much ever their population has been brainwashed over decades, them being humans, some of them are going to connect dots and light bulbs are going to be turned on. They will realize the lies being paraded by ISI/Army and their Mullahs.

Who cares if OBL died in 2002 or is still alive, the news is he was shot in Islamabad, Pakistan in 2011. And that too in a "garrison city" with retired military folks around him and an military academy close by. That is all matters for us and the World. And we work with that, I say

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 May 2011 20:01

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devesh · Post by **devesh** » 04 May 2011 20:06

^^^
what is that word? at least a part of it so we can figure out the joke!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 May 2011 20:06

I am expecting some more revelations from the likes of Le Monde and Der Spiegel ...not from foxnews for sure....maybe LAtimes...

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 04 May 2011 20:10

Tamang wrote:
AnimeshP wrote:Zaid Hamid is back !!! Patton style speech ...

Warning by the mahdi to the YYY ....
"We've ruled you for 1000 years and we'll rule for another 1000"
"....we'll see you in Delhi once again...."

Bhy post this asshole on this forum, hain sir ji? it helps him increase the count.. at least disable the link.. Just my humble opinion..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2011 20:20

Atri wrote:
Tamang wrote:
"We've ruled you for 1000 years and we'll rule for another 1000"
"....we'll see you in Delhi once again...."

Bhy post this asshole on this forum, hain sir ji? it helps him increase the count.. at least disable the link.. Just my humble opinion..

Agreed

Personally I think Zaid Hamid should not get more hits from this forum. I never watch his rants - he is a buffoon, but isn't funny. I dont know why BRFites love him so much that they want to share him with others on here. But Atri - you should remove that link too in your reply.

subodh · Post by **subodh** » 04 May 2011 20:25

shiv wrote:
Atri wrote:
Personally I think Zaid Hamid should not get more hits from this forum. I never watch his rants - he is a buffoon, but isn't funny. I dont know why BRFites love him so much that they want to share him with others on here. But Atri - you should remove that link too in your reply.

I beg to respectfully differ. He is the bleeding edge of popular pakistani thought on the 'strategic side', and given the multitute of bots that are trolling brf, pass-through linking on google/bing searches will give him and pakistan some delightful exposure in the broader arena.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 04 May 2011 20:26

Jimmy Carter the lefty ahole and the most failed president ever... says, "we (America) should forgive Pakistan".

Nesoj · Post by **Nesoj** » 04 May 2011 20:32

Although it is politically incorrect to link to posts in 'Puki phorums', this lament was just too irresistible .....

http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index ... 545&st=720#

WE HAVE BEEN RAPED AND BEEN USED AS A CONDOM.

At last ......... realization !!!!

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 04 May 2011 20:38

Lalmohan wrote:chaanakya-ji, you mean all this time gubo was being done WITH chaddi on?
no wonder it hurt the HnD

Lalbrof, with chaddi on it hurts both sides.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 04 May 2011 20:40

I am ok with Jimmy Carter. At least he is upfront and honest about his thoughts. He says he is a peacenik and he say things that go with his position.

It is people like Rumsfeld, Powell etc who need to be outed and hoisted for the frauds they are.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2011 20:53

Another breaking news by DDM.

Pakistan police recovered the following form OBL's residence:
1 buffalo
2 cows
150 hens / chickens.

Another DDM channel says this about the building's walls:
The walls were made out of cement bricks, the walls were built in two layers with a metal sheet implaced in between the two layers. The attempt was perhaps to make the wall bulletproof.

All this is DDM news report - plenty of immature hyperventilation going on in the media. Take it with a pinch of salt. I am merely conveying the news.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 04 May 2011 20:55

Pervez Hoodbhoy Outlook India

Why was it allowed to be away from the prying eyes of the secret agencies?

Even the famous and ferocious General Hamid Gul (retd) — a bin Laden sympathiser who advocates war with America — cannot buy into the claim that the military was unaware of bin Laden’s whereabouts. In a recorded interview, he remarked that bin Laden being in Abbottabad unknown to authorities “is a bit amazing”. Aside from the military, he said “there is the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, the Military Intelligence, the ISI — they all had a presence there”. Pakistanis familiar with the intrusive nature of the multiple intelligence agencies will surely agree; to sniff out foreigners is a pushover.

So why was bin Laden sheltered in the army’s backyard? General Pervez Musharraf, who was army chief when bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad was being constructed in 2005, unwittingly gives us the clearest and most cogent explanation. The back cover of his celebrated book, In The Line Of Fire, written in 2006, reads:

“Since shortly after 9/11 — when many al Qaeda leaders fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Pakistan — we have played multiple games of cat and mouse with them. The biggest of them all, Osama bin Laden, is still at large at the time of this writing but we have caught many, many others. We have captured 672 and handed over 369 to the United States. We have earned bounties totalling millions of dollars. Here, I will tell the story of just a few of the most significant manhunts”.

So, at the end of the day, it was precisely that: A cat and mouse game. Bin Laden was the ‘Golden Goose’ that the army had kept under its watch but which, to its chagrin, has now been stolen from under its nose. Until then, the thinking had been to trade in the Goose at the right time for the right price, either in the form of dollars or political concessions. While bin Laden in virtual captivity had little operational value for al Qaeda, he still had enormous iconic value for the Americans. It was therefore expected that kudos would come just as in the case of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the Kuwaiti-born senior al Qaeda leader who was arrested in Rawalpindi, or Mullah Baradar, the Taliban leader arrested from Karachi.

Now, with bin Laden gone, the military has two remaining major strategic assets: America’s weakness in Afghanistan and Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. But moving these chess pieces around will not assure the peace and prosperity that we so desperately need. They will not solve our electricity or water crises, move us out of dire economic straits, or protect us from suicide bombers.

very little chance that tsp was a partner in the capture of osmama. if it did partner, it was neither voluntary nor willing support. why would tspa and isi spoil their own image amongst the paki people? for massa it may be catharsis or a public vent. but what is there in it for tsp? why would they agree to this.

this was a major jhapad from massa. question is why? what is the line tsp crossed that massa gave such a public jhapad?