Indo-UK: News & Discussion

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 25 Apr 2011 16:49

India's economy is booming - so why is the UK still sending millions of pounds in aid?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive ... z1KXEM8igJ

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2011 17:47

the cos which supply the screening kits and eqpt stand to land a permanent windfall if these superbug scares lead to millions of international travellers being screened. even britons returning from abroad will need to be screened.

its a economic stimulus and bonus pkg.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 25 Apr 2011 18:03

they do it in massa too. a lot of sdres test positive bcoz of the bcg vaccine.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 26 Apr 2011 00:22

vera_k wrote:Is this just a case of media sensationalising the issue? Has someone seen the Lancet article?

UK blames India for rise in TB cases

Health experts from Hyderabad have taken strong exception to the charge that Indians harbouring tuberculosis germ in its latent form are responsible for the spread of TB in the United Kingdom.

The UK is regarded as the TB capital of the world, and a team of UK-based researchers is blaming the Indians for it.

The present Lancet study is on tuberculosis allegedly being spread by Indians visiting the UK.

the authors tested around 1200 immigrants for latent infection but didn't follow any of them up to see how many of them actually got TB so it's just sensational to say that Indians are spreading TB - moreover, it requires prolonged contact with patients who are infected (people with latent infection are NOT infectious) to spread the bacteria...also, people with latent infections can go through their lives without having the active disease, it's only when their immune system drops (like in HIV infection), that the latent infection would become active

here's the full paper, if anyone wants to have a read
http://www.mediafire.com/?1jsbx3ao6v3mv2l

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 26 Apr 2011 09:09

Will people come to watch Olympics/sportspersons come to play in TB Capital of Europe so that it can eventually help spread TB to other non-commonwealth nations and help upgrade Londonistan to TB capital of world?

Or just a ploy by honest UQstanin companies to sell their apparatus to smart gori sarkar?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 30 Apr 2011 09:39

Top Comment in You tube on Britain's golden days of coldwar aviation

brings tears to your eyes, Britiain as it was back when we were a great country, before currupt and incompetent politcians allowed parts of this country to turn into down town islamabad, before drunken 14 year old chavs where allowed to stab you to death on a night out, before allowing millions of 3rd world spongers to come and be housed, clothed and fed at the cost of the tax payer, before allowing immigrants to change British laws to suit themselves......Britain as it was is finished

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T9f4u5s ... re=related

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 05 May 2011 01:13

WAKE UP TIME

Pakistan and Osama bin Laden: How the West was conned

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... onned.html

Pakistan is looking both ways on terrorism

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -ways.html

Bin Laden killed: Whose side was Pakistan on in this shoot-out?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... t-out.html

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 07 May 2011 02:18

Looks like the Islamic Emirate of England,Occupied Scotland,Held Wales and Annexed N.Ireland is going to loose Scotland in a few of years.
I hope Scots take away their share of "crown jewels" from the Queendom .

Scotland independence vote looms after separatist win

EDINBURGH (AFP) – Scotland moved closer to a vote on independence after the party of nationalist First Minister Alex Salmond secured a historic majority Friday in elections for the Edinburgh parliament.
In the first overall majority for any party since the parliament opened in 1999, the Scottish National Party (SNP) battered the once dominant Labour Party to win 69 seats in the devolved 129-seat Holyrood assembly.
Salmond pledged to hold a referendum on Scottish independence within the next four years, something he could not deliver in his first term as the SNP were outnumbered by unionists.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 May 2011 14:40

not exactly India related but the article talks about UK's usual MO of genocide against 'natives' all the while mouthing off sanctimonious lectures. they applied similar methods in India.

http://exiledonline.com/wn-day-25-monty ... kuyu-skit/

the interesting thing is this happened after they ceased to have an empire.

edit : and a follow up column on the reaction of brit media.
http://exiledonline.com/wn-day-26-lullsnlies/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 07 May 2011 14:44

would scotlands 'secession' mean that defence and foreign affairs continues to be run out of london but scots would gain more or less total autonomy on many fronts like where their money goes. scotland has a sparse pop vs england, but rich oil revenues from north sea and its associated support towns on land, tourism, whiskies,fisheries, some well known cities and educational centers.

I figure they could make a good living once the burden of having to support UKs zoo of dole hounds like the pakis and such are lifted? overall I would support rural scots 300% over the korrupt, inbred, scheming, london financial/colonial type. and scottish redheads have a real fan following on brf.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 May 2011 15:45

This just in from London-istan: Violent clashes outside U.S. Embassy after hundreds of UK Muslims stage mock funeral for 'murdered' Bin Laden - Dailymail.co.uk

I thought only our BRFites are using terminology of "London-istan," but even UK leading news papers are taking a hint from BRF. Probably, the rabid pakis and Afgans can be taken out by drones, but the toughest will be citizens of Londonistanians.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 07 May 2011 16:46

Paper from Indian Journal of Public Health challenging Lancet's article on superbug NDM 1

http://www.ijph.in/article.asp?issn=001 ... ulast=Kant

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 May 2011 07:51

“Virginity tests” on Indian immigrants were widespread

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 10 May 2011 13:44

kmkraoind wrote: I thought only our BRFites are using terminology of "London-istan," but even UK leading news papers are taking a hint from BRF. Probably, the rabid pakis and Afgans can be taken out by drones, but the toughest will be citizens of Londonistanians.

the term was coined by French intelligence during the period that algerian terrorists wanted in france were 'hiding' in the UK and dates back to the late 1990's or thereabouts

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 11 May 2011 16:19

William Hague plans shift in diplomacy to station more envoys in Asia

William Hague is due to unveil changes to the way Britain deploys diplomats around the world, with fewer to be stationed in Europe and more to go to emerging powers, such as China and India, in what he claims is the biggest strategic shift in the service for decades.

The most tangible change will be a boost to the number of diplomats despatched to the world's emerging powers. There will be 50 more envoys in China and 30 more in India, roughly a 7% increase in the size of both embassies. More "frontline staff" will be sent to Brazil, Mexico, Turkey and Indonesia.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 12 May 2011 15:30

Lilo wrote:Looks like the Islamic Emirate of England,Occupied Scotland,Held Wales and Annexed N.Ireland is going to loose Scotland in a few of years.
I hope Scots take away their share of "crown jewels" from the Queendom .

Scotland independence vote looms after separatist win

EDINBURGH (AFP) – Scotland moved closer to a vote on independence after the party of nationalist First Minister Alex Salmond secured a historic majority Friday in elections for the Edinburgh parliament.
In the first overall majority for any party since the parliament opened in 1999, the Scottish National Party (SNP) battered the once dominant Labour Party to win 69 seats in the devolved 129-seat Holyrood assembly.
Salmond pledged to hold a referendum on Scottish independence within the next four years, something he could not deliver in his first term as the SNP were outnumbered by unionists.

India should spin gold out of this unraveling of United Kingdom. Here is how!

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 12 May 2011 23:34

X posted from the Pakistan thread

Reading Zaid Hamid and the PA/ISI's odd conviction that the Indian Republic is more vulnerable and fragile than Pakistan a few thoughts occurred to me.

Its interesting that someone as anti-Indian as Churchill changed his views on the Republic's viability only five years after independence, while the Pakistani military continues to believe that India is somehow only barely holding together.

Besides prejudice, Churchill's view was based on a conviction that the liberals in India would never have the gumption to stand up to the communists and communalists, and that democracy would collapse and the nation would splinter. Nehru and the Congress Party's success in making democracy work while standing up to internal extremist forces brought about a change in his opinion.

In the Pakistani military's case these views have lasted decades despite living next door. Its much more of the PA's total lack of appreciation for the cohesive power that a political system that provides representation and bargaining can bring. This is the classic mistake that authoritarian systems make when judging the strength and resilience of democratic systems. It is a blind spot - if they realised how powerful democracy was they wouldn't be fighting it so hard both internally and externally.

The Pakistani Army's power and appeal is only a symptom of the biggest problem; a powerful but feckless Muslim landed class that has wanted power and wealth without responsibility. Iran had exactly the same problem (after all look at the ease with which Shia Iranians moved to the Sunni Mughal administration) for centuries until the gradual growth of a new national consciousness. Fear and resentment of external powers and a narrative of victimhood did help cement that consciousness, but larger than that was a commitment to progress and modernity which even the Islamic revolution could not unseat. Until Pakistan has the equivalent of the Shah's 'white revolution' and its literacy corps there's no hope of anything good eventually coming out of Pakistan's fear of India and America. If it ever does happen, then eventually, like Iran, Pakistan can become a normal nation even if it is a violent and dangerously confrontational road to normalcy.

Rahul M wrote:>> Churchill changed his views on the Republic's viability only five years after independence

OT, details please, in UK thread.

To get an idea of how strong Churchill's feelings were about Indian independence, consider this; it was the reason Churchill was in the political wilderness, shunned by his own Conservative Party for the decade before the Fall of France to Hitler. Prime Minister Baldwin's willingness to negotiate with the INC on the question of Indian self-government in 1931 led to almost total rupture.

Twenty years later, Churchill became Prime Minister again in 1951. One would have expected *very* strained relations between London and New Delhi over all sorts of things. Instead relations actually improved. Nehru, who Churchill had dismissed along with the rest of the INC leadership as 'men of straw' in 1947 became someone whom he instead repeatedly praised as 'the light of Asia' and ‘one who had conquered mankind’s two worst enemies, hate and fear’ as he prepared to resign in 1955.

A lot of this had to do with China falling to the Mao's communists in 1949, and the contrast that Nehru's India made. In complete contrast to his earlier policies he treated India and the INC as more important than Pakistan and the Muslim League. However, I don't think this was realpolitik alone - Churchill was a man of convictions, some of them awful and racist, and some of them sound. He never changed his opinion that British colonialism was good for India, or that the way that the disorderly speed with which the British left India in 1946-47 was a mistake that led to death and destruction. But there's no question in my mind that his opinion of the INC leadership underwent a dramatic change after independence, and that he openly acknowledged this.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 12 May 2011 23:46

How these rag heads get visas in Gora countries??? just look at their faces....they don't look like they are there for studies or job

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 12 May 2011 23:54

Who said they need visas?? They have passports with the queen plastered everywhere.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 13 May 2011 00:44

I'll wager that at least a quarter of them smuggled themselves in and then claimed refugee status. Its next to impossible to get rid of them once that happens thanks to the European Court of Human Rights.

At least another quarter of them were probably hard drinking party boys at local universities and who are now overcompensating. Some of them remain serious Islamists, but many can't keep it up.

The one with the hoodie and mask on is slightly brighter than the rest - it is standard police procedure to film these demonstrations, and then identify and investigate all of the individuals involved. Emerging leaders and organisers get added to all sorts of exciting lists.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 May 2011 16:50

Sun Setting on British Power

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 May 2011 00:17

Mad Jews, Hindus & Englishmen

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 22 May 2011 09:16

Ratan Tata hits out at Corus, JLR managers for not walking extra mile

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 493432.cms

Hitting out at the work culture of managers of British firms, Corus and JLR, Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata has said "nobody is willing to go the extra mile" in critical situations, while their Indian counterparts would work till midnight in "a war-like situation".

"It's a work-ethic issue. In my experience, in both Corus and Jaguar-Land Rover (JLR) nobody is willing to go the extra mile," he said in an interview with The Times daily.

His comments comes at a time when the Tata Group has announced cutting of 1,200 jobs at Scunthorpe plant, as well as shedding 300 jobs at Teeside and Hartlepool sites of Corus.

Tata suggested that British managers did not "go the extra mile" while those in India were working in "a war-like situation".

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 22 May 2011 13:24

The nationalistic UK press hasn't taken well to Tata's comments.

Check the comments out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -test.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs ... ycoon.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Busine ... d_Teesside

jaibhim · Post by **jaibhim** » 22 May 2011 16:21

What is ironical is the the PR statement issued by the firm denying that he had ever pronounced sound-bytes of this kind is at the heart of the Nira Radia tapes which by inference leads us to the 2g scam because she owns the firm? Refer the first post website dated May 22nd 2011. Why have the same PR agency vaishanavi communications which at its zenith equalled a 24 hour open line to politicians and bureaucrats.

Who does the long hours in India? It is the middle management, the programmers not the senior corporates who have all the answers and think that they are the sun, moon and guiding star of the company. I am happy to follow not innovate. It might not make rational sense to generalise on all managers or professionals in the UK or for that matter anywhere in the world. Mr.Tata's comments are relevant to a certain section of the populace who are growing and have to be looked after a significant hard working class of people and those in their 50's whose work ethic is venerable and carry with them the protestant ethic at all times. It however values time and appointments perhaps which when taken too far undermines the end desired. Painting everyone with the same brush will do a lot of harm for India because when you point out to others you point back to your country and India is not yet ready to lecture others. It is true that the UK has a culture of much pomp and circumstance in business and decision making when work could be done over paper napkins. The company is the sum total of the effectiveness of the individual parts. Knowing the press Mr.Tata should have avoided making such a statement which he should have known well would be quoted out of context. Why not take a leaf from the Chinese? They are so quiet yet deliver.
What matters is what you deliver in the 8 hours and not be a struggling "techie" or in a derogatory way labelled as a coolie, because what is promised to the client is not delivered. apparently burning the midnight oil doing little. India has a long way to go in giving justice to its poor, the untouchables and must first set its house in order which if done would have taken the wind out of the sails of civil society activists from JNU and India Habitati centre many moons back. The razzmatazz of veneration and i'll do it [a new disease that has afflicted writing i'll w'll ] worshipping managers is all very well known and perhaps is a relic of the purusha sukta. This is reflected in the convoluted prose of their progeny, saluting comrade stalin with little analytical advance which is worrying considering that the taxpayer has been paying all these years and the blind worshipful veneration of flavors of the month paradigms, dished out by the twice born children of India on the move from the fashionable elite management schools. In both ends there is little resolve to question and challenge recipe book paradigms in management research in most institutes. With such an unquestioning role played by management research in India[with an aspiration of being a superpower it feels great to loves that idea of India being an superpower in all fronts ]which still does not have local values, local managerial paradigms, truly innovative managers are a long way off. In many cases Indian companies have to literally start from scratch in moulding graduates and "techies".

The state of political economic development of democracy, work ethic in many cases is anything but advanced because of a culture of flattery, hierarchical veneration and sycophancy rather than emphasis on hard work. The research scholars rip wan winkles rather, of the universities in india bear testimony to that fact. In India work is stretched to suit the time and there is always an excuse for being late. Working late is a sign of loyalty and other subjective considerations rather than typifying ostensible efficiency and deliverable value.

The press in the UK is well known because other than the FT everything is toilet roll. He should not have made such a remark which could possibly inflame the tatooed classes who are adept at posing an equal counter point [made for each other combination indeed] with their wise well opinionated counsel lying lying flat with their bellies rising to the slurp,stella on one hand and a finger in the keyboard on the other.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 24 May 2011 14:45

Beyond bin Laden: Britain's fight against jihad

At the same time, he does not see any problem being a British citizen. “Britishness -- what does it mean? I have a British passport so on a national level I have an identity which is a travel document. But if you're talking about if my allegiance lies to the UK or the Queen or to (her grandchildren) Harry and William or Kate now, that's completely laughable.”

In Alum Rock, the historian Mahmood believes radicals on the Islamist fringe incite hatred between communities just as white supremacists do.{== we are victim onlee} But even he agrees that Britain's foreign policy hurts its attempts at dealing with home grown radicals. He also feels that less extreme Islamists, including Salafists, should have a role in de-radicalisation.

Now Britain is getting taste of its own medicine. British foriegn policy of supporting radical islamists in the past in AF-PAK, Kashmir etc is coming back to haunt them. Preaching others under the banner of Human Rights is very easy. Lets see how britain deal with this problem whilst keeping the Human Rights brigade happy.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 24 May 2011 15:58

Yes, Indians should remind the Brits that they at least connived at Moslem communalism and violent separatism on the subcontinent. And hence are partly criminally culpable for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Indians during the partition.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 May 2011 22:40

What is it with these pakis...? At the same time British had it coming lol.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 29 May 2011 22:54

^ if British Indians allow the perception that they are same ASIANS as pakis they will end up paying for that one fine day in Islamic republic of londonistan.

By the way, why did they put star of David in Eid?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 29 May 2011 23:07

That's not the star of David.

That's just a normal decorative 5-pointed star of the kind you see even in India during Hindu, Christian and Muslim festive occasions.

There are a lot of Paks like those above in the UK. I wonder what these chaps will turn into when they hit the mid-20s and 30s...

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 30 May 2011 00:10

^^Pardon my ignorance on the numbers (Pakis v/s Africans) in UKstan, but if the British-Africans are anything close to the African-Americans, these Paki boys high on testosterone are asking for their backsides to be skinned.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 30 May 2011 01:17

I went to school in Southall between 1978-1982

All the pakis I knew have become fanatics. THey have this dream like image of pakistan. They visit occaisionally but would never live there. paks/beggerdeshi's have the lowest level of economic activity in the UK. They are the worst achievers educationally. And to top it all they have a HUGH islamic chip on their shoulders.

These are the people that David Milliband was thinking about when he made his comments in Mumbhai re Kashmir.
These are the people so beloved of the British left & Liberals.

That Youtube clip was originally from a TV doc called "Who you calling Nigger?"
It was about the friction/conflict between "asians" & blacks following riots in the midlands, which were triggered when a black girl was gang raped by a group of pakis.

Darcus Howe is a crap journalist, he is the worst example of a chip on the shoulder west Indian black that can be imagined, he sees conspiracy and racism everywhere.
I saw the full documentary "Who you calling Nigger?" he was totally ignorant he sees the conflict in terms of "ASIANS"
He just does not see the difference between Indians & pakis.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 30 May 2011 05:36

Professor risks political storm over Muslim 'inbreeding’

He added: “Bradford is very inbred. There is a huge amount of cousins marrying each other there.” Research in Bradford has found that babies born to Pakistani women are twice as likely to die in their first year as babies born to white mothers, with genetic problems linked to inbreeding identified as a “significant” cause.

Studies have found that within the city, more than 70 per cent of marriages are between relations, with more than half involving first cousins.

Separate studies have found that while British Pakistanis make up three per cent of all births, they account for one in three British children born with genetic illnesses. Prof Jones also said that incest was more common than is often realised in every part of society, adding that it had been particular prevalent among royalty and suggested it is still continuing.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 30 May 2011 10:12

It's pretty hilarious to watch the slow-motion march of the Islamic 5th column in the UK while they mumble about multiculturalism.

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 30 May 2011 14:58

Roy,

You asked

"What is it with these pakis...?"

INBREEDING that's what, but the left/liberals will never make an issue of it, they need the votes of these mindless idiots when the get to voting age.

And they are welcome to them.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 May 2011 22:06

Sir beaten for teaching RE to Muslim girls

Hussein, who had a niece at the school, was heard to say: "He's mocking us and he's putting thoughts in people's minds.
"How can somebody take a job to teach Islam when he's not even a Muslim himself?"
He was also recorded as saying that he did not care if he had to go to prison over the attack as he was doing it for the sake of Allah.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... z1Nr9T2isl

I am confused. As per Ramana Ji, Limeys wanted Islamic leadership as far away as possible from the borders of Europe and hence creation and preservation of Pakistan. Now what is the point of doing all that if you let a Pakistan come into existence in limey land?. Or is it the case of strategic dream gone bad?.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 30 May 2011 23:17

^^^ The situation is somewhere between the 2 questions that you've posted. TSP's creation was strategy but the blowback from the same was not taken into calculation.

Moreover, since calls for TSP's creation originally came from Gangetic valley, TSP has always been headless (or should I say rootless) since its inception. And you know how the body of a headless snake trashes around (something like a burst tube with high velocity fluid flow).

I would be happy if the Pakis in Queendom manage to get rid of the monarchy for good. They would've achieved something when the Queen disappears from coins in the Commonwealth forever!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Jun 2011 17:37

the strategic plan for pakistan was a secret and that too in some sections of the leadership
the mango brit had little idea or interest
he only had to start dealing with paquis from the 1960's onwards
and then he was already a poodle as were his masters
the paqui started off on the backfoot in queendom, but has learned bolshevism from the mango brits and his voice has grown, he is creating a new hybrid with some very negative characteristics. that was not what the secret plans had in mind from compliant islamic poodles
but it has unintended consequences the other way too
it appears that a lot of young muslim girls like to wear the hijab so that they can more easily be identified by young muslim guys and get picked up... i have seen several incidences of young obviously islamic couples (her hijab, him goatee or full beard) smooching or even going almost all the way in public places - even more than english kids will do even under the influence of alcohol, my personal favourite (with my LMU hat on) is young girls with hijab wearing tight sweater and jeans leaving 'meat covered but with little left to the imagination'
this is frankly hillarious
at some point, this group may choose entirely different priorities than the more pious
lets see...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 02 Jun 2011 23:21

Soldier cited for holding off up to 30 Taliban by himself

While stationed as a lone sentry at a checkpoint in Afghanistan's Helmand province on September 17, Pun fended off an attack by up to 30 Taliban fighters.

"There were many Taliban around me," Pun said in an interview with British Forces News. "I thought they are definitely going to kill me. ... I thought before they kill me I have to kill some of them."

During the 15-minute battle, Pun fired more than 400 rounds of ammunition, detonated 17 grenades and a mine and even threw his gun tripod at a Taliban fighter climbing toward his position, according to British Forces News.

"He was just about to climb up there and I hit (him) with my tripod and he fell down again," Pun told British Forces News.

Pun's actions saved the lives of three fellow soldiers at the checkpoint and were the "bravest seen in his battalion over two hard tours in Afghanistan," according to his medal citation.

Pun was not wounded in the firefight.

“That he survived unscathed is simply incredible," his medal citation says. “Throughout Dip’s actions he was under almost constant intense fire. Dip’s courage and gallantry were simply astonishing."

Pun, 31, joined the British military in 2000 and also has served in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Like other Gurkhas, Pun is from Nepal. The Gurkhas were incorporated into British forces after their fighting skill impressed the opposition British during the Nepal Wars of 1814 to 1816. As part of the peace treaty ending that conflict, Gurkhas were admitted into East India Company's army and then into the British military.

Gurkhas recruited solely in Nepal remain Nepalese citizens during their service. Gurkha unit officers are British.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/02/so ... y-himself/

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 03 Jun 2011 12:21

Pakistan to be the biggest recipient of UKAID http://tribune.com.pk/story/180831/paki ... -of-ukaid/