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X-post...

Hari Seldon wrote in Prespectives thread.....


Brilliant expose in Salon of the Britiosh historian/charlatan Niall Ferguson. This is the same clown who's had a lot of prescriptions for the TFTA west on how to navigate the global fin crisis such that the TFTAs retain dominance/ soup-e-rearity against the unwashed turd world.

Niall Ferguson and the brain-dead American right
The British historian owes his celebrity here to the absence of authentic American conservative intellectuals
The US right is in for a prolonged slump with no redemption at the end of it. Rightly so, perhaps. Like someone famousluy asked and has so far gone unanswered "What exactly are American conservatives seeking to conserve?"
Recently, it was announced that Henry Kissinger has made him his official biographer, perhaps in the hope that Ferguson, who thinks that the Kaiser should have been allowed to crush Europe, will be equally kind to Kissinger’s reputation. :mrgreen:

Time magazine in 2004 named Ferguson one of the 100 most influential people in the world, which might help to explain the condition of the world.
Ouch or what?
The Dashing Brit then told the assembled plutocrats that unemployed Americans are lazy: "The curse of long term unemployment is that if you pay people to do nothing, they’ll find themselves doing nothing for long periods of time." On an earlier occasion he created a stir when he compared Barack Obama to the lascivious cartoon character Fritz the Cat, because, he said, both are "black and lucky."
The Brits have got pluckyness galore in them, gotta admit. To walk on with a straight face after faux paus like these takes some dragon scales for skin...
Ferguson is the most prominent of a number of British conservative intellectuals and journalists who have found more sympathetic audiences in the U.S. than in their own country, where their enthusiasm for Victorian imperialism and Victorian economics stigmatizes them as cranks. His Old World accent and reactionary politics might not have been sufficient to earn Niall Ferguson his cisatlantic celebrity, were it not for the demise of American intellectual conservatism, chronicled by Sam Tanenhaus and others. The mass extinction of America’s intellectual right at the hands of anti-intellectual Jacksonian populists like the Tea Partyers has created a lack of native conservative thinkers with impressive academic credentials who are willing to dash to a TV studio at a moment’s notice. And in an era when the conservative movement is symbolized by lightweights like Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and Jonah Goldberg, rather than William F. Buckley Jr., George Will and Irving Kristol, even Niall Ferguson can be mistaken for an intellectual.
Hmmm.

Niass wrote:
Had Britain stood aside -- even for a matter of weeks -- continental Europe could therefore have been transformed into something not wholly unlike the European Union we know today -- but without the massive contraction in British overseas power entailed by the fighting of two world wars ... And there plainly would not have been that great incursion of American financial and military power into European affairs which effectively marked the end of British financial predominance in the world.
Whoa. Thank gawd for small mercies. No doubt WWI bankrupted the empire and sowed the beginning of the end of the Raj in its largest colony. BUt more serious historians aver the limits of brit imperial power were shown up rather starkly in the pyrrhic Boer war in the Afrikaans at the turn of the last to last century.
Alas, the world got American primacy and decolonization rather than world domination by the City of London in league with the German General Staff.
:rotfl:

More Fer-gas-son
"Unlike most European critics of the United States, then, I believe the world needs an effective liberal empire and that the United States is the best candidate for the job." And should the neo-British American empire suffer from a shortage of willing cannon fodder, the Dashing Brit had a solution: "If one adds together the illegal immigrants, the jobless, and the convicts, there is surely ample raw material for a larger American army."
OMG. Such noble thoughts and our poor Thackerays, mere boy scouts against this col-ass-us get far more brickbats only...

Anyways, starts to get a tad OT for this dhaga perhaps. Should stop here. But read it all, for the laughs if nothing else.
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On similar lines

Michele Bachmann thinks the world is ending

http://www.salon.com/news/michele_bachm ... times_pope
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^^^

Niall Ferguson is an imperialist with deep takleef for the "trauma" that Empire suffered in the last century. he keeps fantasizing about British glory and about how British shouldn't be ashamed of it.

also, don't buy the non sense about America intervening and destroying UK's empire. had American not intervened, and Germany prevailed in WWI, Empire would have met a quick and ruthless death with the British standards of living reduced to a pittance within 20 years of WWI.

remember that Germany made peace with Russia right before America intervened. what you had was a situation where Europe, all the way from Franco-German border to the Far East, could have been integrated in a "common market." in the Russo-German peace, trade and economy were major factors and Germany assured Russia that it wouldn't be held hostage and in turn Russia assured Germany that they would be given a share in Central Asian economies. had this happened, British India would have collapsed like dominoes.

Russia and British India were fighting for influence and power over CA for several decades by then. had Germany and Russia decided to build a pan-Eurasian network, Britain's power would have been crushed simply b/c British had no control or even temperament for controlling overland routes. Russia was dominant in that. and Germany had invested heavily in trans-land routes.

Britain's hold on India would have crumbled b/c under the new circumstances the British way of administration and economic thinking were completely unsuitable. and the indigenous Indian thinking would have fit right in place, b/c we had done the same in the past for thousands of years. CA, Afghanistan, Iran, were all part of our trading and influence networks.

the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was not the Russian Revolution (advent of Communism), as the West would like us to believe, but American intervention in WWI. who knows what a Russo-German Eurasia could have been like. Russia itself might have become more open or economically productive without resorting to Stalinist dictatorship. had America not intervened, rise of Hitler, WWII genocides, consequent destruction of Europe, emergence of bi-polar "locked in" world, the continuation of Western colonial domination of Asia and Latam for several more decades (through proxy wars), etc, all or even a few of them could have been avoided.

American intervention in WWI is the greatest tragedy of the past 100 years. and the British had a clear hand in this. they used many levers of influence to goad US into war. and Woodrow Wilson, the naive idiot, fell for it. the propaganda about American intervention destroying UK's empire is a myth created to cloak the truth in half-truths and carefully constructed fallacies that have a very convincing appeal on the surface.
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Devesh, Great post. Can you post it in Non-Western world view thread?

Add the thing about the fake Zimmerman telegram and the "Lusitania" arms running under cover operation to induce the US into the war.

BTW welcome.
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^^^

will copy the post into NWWV.
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devesh wrote: the propaganda about American intervention destroying UK's empire is a myth created to cloak the truth in half-truths and carefully constructed fallacies that have a very convincing appeal on the surface.
This is true. Watch for this see saw between the Americans and British. They will coordinate no matter what to make sure that the global balance shifts towards the west.

Dont get trapped into the western world view. Only Indian world view matters and geo political advantage for India.
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He is doing that anyway. Why the advice to him?
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MKB's latest:

US breathes life into a new cold war
Calk Circles in South Asia
In essence, countries like India, where the US hopes to become entrenched as a strategic partner, may choose to be autonomous or "non-aligned" if Russia succeeds in developing stronger energy ties with them. With regard to India, in particular, the implications are far-reaching since the US's Asia-Pacific strategy and its containment policy toward China would become seriously debilitated if New Delhi opted out.

Interestingly, Cohen brings in Syria in this context. He claimed that Russia was "seeking to re-engage in a centuries-old balance of power in the Middle East" and Syria - like India in the Asia-Pacific - is pivotal, which is the reason why Moscow is rebuilding naval bases in Tartus and Ladakiye and is "supplying modern weapons" to it - like it does with India.

Four, Russia is fostering the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) as an exclusive preserve to keep out the US, especially in the grouping's energy club. The SCO comprises China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

The US is getting frantic that the SCO is gearing up to admit India and Pakistan as full members and Afghanistan as an observer. So far, the US had banked on the reservations of Russia and China over the SCO membership claims of Pakistan and India respectively, but the rethink in Moscow and Beijing on this score has set alarm bells ringing in Washington.

Moscow is outflanking the US by rapidly building up ties with Pakistan. A crucial vector in this accelerating relationship is energy cooperation. Moscow has begun discussing with Pakistan the nuts and bolts of its participation in the TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) gas pipeline project.

The countries are restoring their air links; they have held two summit-level meetings within a year; and begun closely coordinating their approach to the stabilization of Afghanistan (which is integral to the execution of TAPI). Incidentally, Russia's special representative on Afghanistan Zamir Kabulov (the Kremlin's ace hand on Afghanistan) visited Islamabad last week for in-depth consultations.

The thrust of the Russian approach is to augment Pakistan's strategic autonomy so that it can withstand Washington's bullying. And Moscow estimates that Pakistan is keen to reciprocate. As a prominent South Asian scholar in Moscow, Andrey Volodin, wrote last week, "[Pakistan President] Asif Zardari's visit to Russia has shown that Pakistan is actively diversifying its foreign economic ties and foreign policy. This attitude is welcomed by Pakistan's main all-weather ally, China, which is pursuing a policy of 'soft reverse containment' of America in Asia, including Pakistan."
No more a Turkmen pipedream
Thus, the Russian-Chinese initiative to induct Pakistan and India as full SCO members holds out the prospect of dealing a devastating blow to the US's strategy to get "embedded" in Asia. The underpinning of a regional energy grid tapping into Turkmenistan's energy reserves gives a profound character to the matrix.

The fact is that the US all along paid lip-service to the TAPI, but its real interest has been in the so-called Southern Corridor for transporting Turkmen energy to Western Europe so that Russian dominance of the European market would be whittled down.

Russia is killing two birds with one stone. By diverting Turkmen gas to the huge energy guzzlers of South Asia - India is potentially one of the world's two or three biggest consumers of energy in the coming decades - Moscow is on the one hand undercutting the US's Eurasian energy strategy to evacuate the gas to Europe, while at the same time retaining its pre-eminent footing on the European energy market from being challenged by the Turkmen gas.

The big question mark on TAPI has been all along two-fold. First, there was doubt regarding Turkmenistan's energy reserves. However, the confirmation by British auditor Gaffney, Cline & Associates last week that Turkmenistan is sitting on the world's second-largest gas field - South Yolatan - completely changes the scenario. (Afghan President Hamid Karzai made an air dash to Ashgabat as soon as he heard the news.) The vast South Yolatan field covers an area of about 3,500 square kilometers - bigger than the country of Luxembourg - and as a top executive of the British auditor put it, "The South Yolatan field is so big that it can sustain several developments in parallel."

In short, Turkmenistan has the proven capacity to meet the energy requirements of China, India and Pakistan for many decades to come, and would still be left with a surplus for exports to Russia. The prospect is shocking for US strategy if the so-called "SCO energy club", which is an idea that then-Russian president Vladimir Putin floated in 2005 a little ahead of time that is finally coming to fruition.

Thus, the robust Russian and Chinese diplomacy on Pakistan to encourage a paradigm shift in its Afghan policy; the growing US impatience over Pakistan's "recalcitrance"; the SCO's keenness to get involved in the stabilization of Afghanistan; the US's insistence that it must have direct dealings with the Taliban rather than through an "Afghan-led" peace process; Washington's push to establish a long-term military presence in Afghanistan; Russia's and China's hurry to get India and Pakistan on board as SCO members; the US's overtures to India with a partnership that US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates described last week in a speech in Singapore at a regional gathering of defense ministers (including from China, Russia and India) as the "indispensable pillar of stability in South Asia and beyond"; Gates' affirmation of US commitment to a "robust" and "enhanced" military presence in Asia, especially in the Malacca Straits - all these have a hugely important "energy dimension", too.

Cohen is a Russia expert, but he mentioned Central Asia more than once in this testimony and pointedly brought to the notice of US congressmen that Russia was attempting to "push the US out of Central Asia, and successfully limited US participation in new Caspian energy projects, excluding it from the SCO's energy club".
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_union

Interesting political projects specially interested abt the Iranian and Indian project and the unravelling of the land of Pure.......
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/43328325
The U.S. is approaching a financial crisis worse than 2008, Jim Rogers, chief executive, Rogers Holdings, warned CNBC Wednesday.

"The debts that are in this country are skyrocketing," he said. "In the last three years the government has spent staggering amounts of money and the Federal Reserve is taking on staggering amounts of debt.

"When the problems arise next time…what are they going to do? They can’t quadruple the debt again. They cannot print that much more money. It’s gonna be worse the next time around."

The well-known investor believes the government won't shut down in August if agreement isn't reached on raising the debt ceiling, but he did say "draconian cuts" are needed in taxes and spending, especially military spending.

"We’ve got troops in 150 countries around the world. They’re not doing us any good, they’re making enemies. They’re costing us a fortune," he said.

Rogers said he is "not long anything in the U.S." and short on American tech stocks. He owns Chinese stocks as well as commodities and would love the world price of silver and gold to come down so he could "pick up the phone and buy more."

He said he owns Chinese stocks, currencies and commodities, adding the Chinese yuan will be a safer currency than the dollar.

"The U.S. is the largest debtor nation in the history of the world," he said. "The debts are going through the roof. Would you keep lending money to somebody who's spending money and not doing anything about it? No you wouldn't."

The pound sterling lost 90% of its value when it was no longer the world's reserve currency, he said, and the dollar will, too. In keeping with his philosophy he said he owns the U.S. dollar and is waiting for a rally. "If it doesn't happen I'll have to sell and take my losses."
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S&P is predicting Greece default.
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Swiss Banker Unmasks Bilderberg Criminals

http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisp ... px?id=1831
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In a major move,India is poised to join the SCO (Shanghai Coop Org.),now meting in Astana.At the moment we have Observer status only.Joining the SCO will place India in the group of Russia,China,4 Central Asian nations.India,Pak,Iran are "Observer" status members.This grouping offers an alternative to the US/NATO strategy for Afghanitan and it is hoped that with the convergence of S.Asian and Central Asian interests,Pak will be under more pressure to deal with Islamist terror on its soil than currently.The grouping will ensure that Afghanistan remains independent and stable and terror-free.

Iran meanwhile has asked for a regonal security alliance to cuntr US influence in the region.Iran,though not a member as yet is receiving sympathy from some members.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... against-us
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Why do we need BRICS? by Mikhail Delyagin is Doctor of Economics, director of the Institute of Globalization Issues.
Disputes in the WTO, G20 and a number of international forums indicate another fundamental controversy between the G7 and BRICS countries.

The former believe that the rest of world, not the G7, should pay for the recovery from the global crisis, into which the G7 had in fact driven the entire global community. Above all, this is unacceptable for BRICS countries, as it may spell their economic collapse.

Negotiating a united stance, BRICS countries are forging a new alliance, and presenting a soft counterpoise to the West more reminiscent of the Non-Aligned Movement than a socialist bloc. :rotfl: They are also creating conditions to keep the G20 and other international institutions running.
Ah...lol...did you see what he did there? He co-opted the NAM movement create by the D5* leaders that was essentially create to not side with USSR or USA. Now a Russian comes along and sides with NAM like groups. History repeats itself onlee.
So, even the most diehard Russian liberals, like Sergei Vasilyev, Yegor Gaidar’s former comrade, more and more often turn to other BRICS countries’ experience as an inspiring example. Apart from case study China, Brazil, which is still poorly known in Russia, provides a wonderful example of socially orientated and quite successful governance.

D5: That is my term for the five major developing countries that created or gave life to NAM. Our own JLN was a stalwart in that movement....along with ...{read in wikipedia}
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Philip wrote:In a major move,India is poised to join the SCO (Shanghai Coop Org.),now meting in Astana.At the moment we have Observer status only.Joining the SCO will place India in the group of Russia,China,4 Central Asian nations.India,Pak,Iran are "Observer" status members.This grouping offers an alternative to the US/NATO strategy for Afghanitan and it is hoped that with the convergence of S.Asian and Central Asian interests,Pak will be under more pressure to deal with Islamist terror on its soil than currently.The grouping will ensure that Afghanistan remains independent and stable and terror-free.

Iran meanwhile has asked for a regonal security alliance to cuntr US influence in the region.Iran,though not a member as yet is receiving sympathy from some members.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... against-us

Not happening any time soon.
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Vipul wrote:
Philip wrote:In a major move,India is poised to join the SCO (Shanghai Coop Org.),now meting in Astana.At the moment we have Observer status only.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... against-us
Not happening any time soon.
Who gives a damn about SCO! Asia will be built around India and the Indian Ocean!
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China-India rivalry in the Maldives
The May 28-31 visit to the Maldives by the most senior Chinese official ever to visit the Islamic archipelago-nation, went largely unreported in the Western media. The significance of the visit by Wu Bangguo, Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, underscored the increasing importance of the Maldives to China’s regional strategic calculations.
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India gives
In the recent India-Africa summit in Ethiopia, India emerged as a source rather than a recipient of foreign aid.
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Russia, China Postpone Major Gas Deal
http://www.speroforum.com/a/55622/Russi ... r-Gas-Deal
Russia and China today postponed the signing of a major deal to supply Siberian natural gas to China after they failed to agree on a price.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev announced the delay after his talks with China's President Hu Jintao at the Kremlin. In 2010, Russia's state-controlled Gazprom and China National Petroleum Company agreed to start the supplies via a yet-to-be-built Altai pipeline in 2015.Moscow wanted to link the price to oil prices the way it does in Europe, but China considers any European-level price too high.eanwhile, the two leaders agreed today that Iran has a right to peacefully use nuclear power.They also said, in a joint statement, that they were ready to cooperate with each other to seek the resumption of nuclear talks with North Korea.
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Better late than never....correcting the history books!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... asion.html

British settlement of Sydney an 'invasion'
The British settlement of Sydney in 1788 has been officially declared an "invasion", following strong pressure from the Aboriginal contingent of the city council.
The City of Sydney voted 7-2 to remove the words "European arrival" from documents and rejected a compromise plan to describe the First Fleet's arrival as "colonisation".

An Aboriginal advisory group had proposed the use of the word "invasion" and threatened to quit over the compromise term offered by the Lord Mayor, Clover Moore.

"We were invaded," said Paul Morris, an Aboriginal leader who pushed for the change. "It is the truth and shouldn't be watered down. We wouldn't expect Jewish people to accept a watered-down version of the Holocaust, and if you ask American Indians, they wouldn't want the truth of their history watered down, so why should we?"

After a bitter feud on the council over the terminology, Miss Moore accepted the Aboriginal panel's insistence on the term despite claims by some councillors it was "divisive".

The preamble to the council's new 2030 master plan will now include the sentence: "Despite the destructive impact of this invasion Aboriginal culture endured and is now globally recognised as one of the world's oldest cultures."

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History of the British settlement of Sydney
28 Jun 2011
'Britain should apologise to Aborigines'

The document says the arrival of white settlers to Sydney Harbour had a "devastating impact" on the local Eora tribe of Aborigines and resulted in the "occupation and appropriation of traditional lands".

Arthur Phillip, the first governor of New South Wales state, estimated there were at least 1,500 Aborigines in Sydney at the time of white settlement, half of whom perished in a 1789 smallpox epidemic.

Others were killed under a programme offering bounties for dead Aborigines, or perished from disease.

Australia's original inhabitants, the country's most impoverished minority, are believed to have numbered around one million at the time of white settlement, but are now just 470,000 in a nation of 22 million.

The debate over the proper term for the settlement has been largely dormant since the bicentennial celebrations in 1988, when Aboriginal groups branded Australia Day as "Invasion Day".
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There is an op-ed on how Germany has risen from the financial crisis and is the king of Europe now and massa wants them to hand over more money and shut-up.

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As wars are getting untenable for advanced economies (support, costs, troop reserves etc.) they are slowly realizing that they have to bring non-combat warfare to new areas to impose their dominance.

Germany has shown that econmically they rule the roost now in Europe after 2008 meltdown by sticking to basics and not voodoo economics.
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^^^
as military means become too costly, the social/cultural/economic means will become the preferred weapons. covert wars will be waged to take control of societies which haven't yet developed the ability to fight these covert wars. in Indian context, the EJ assault will increase. they will intensify the campaign. and all over the world, social engineering, psy ops, and covert ways to influence and shape societies will become the major driving force for "developed" nations. we might be euphoric that Western military might is in relative and in many cases absolute decline, this actually has the consequence of intensifying the covert war on Asia, ME, and Africa. this is the direction that West will head in, to keep their dominance.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/popula ... nk%3DMW-FB
Population is the key economic power driving all economic issues

Yes, you can forget “Peak Oil.” Forget global warming. Forget debt, deficits, defaults. Forget commodities, scarce resource depletion. Forget all other economic, political, military problems. Yes, forget all of them. None of them matter … if our leaders fail to deal with the world’s out-of-control population bomb. Nothing else matters. Nothing.

Still, the silence is defining. We’re trapped in this deafening “conspiracy of silence.” Neutered. Blind to this suicidal path, incapable and unwilling to face the greatest single economic challenge in history. Won’t wake up till it’s too late.

Why? Deep in our hearts we see no acceptable universal solution. So we wait … until this economic bomb stops tick-tick-ticking. Explodes in our faces. Till the wake-up call, a total economic collapse. Till then, the silence is deafening. We stay in denial. Waiting.

Pentagon warns of ‘desperate all-out wars for food, water, energy’

What a “conspiracy of silence.” Seems everybody’s on the “economic growth” bandwagon. And with population growth comes chaos, anger, war. Remember 2011: Unemployed college kids in the Arab Spring. Higher pay for China’s workers. Wisconsin unions revolt. Warning, by 2100 the science-fiction solutions of “Avatar” and “Wall*E” will be reexamined seriously, perhaps even the unthinkable in the “Boomsday” novel.

WWIII is no fiction. We’re in the buildup now. During the Bush era, Fortune analyzed a classified Pentagon report predicting that “climate could change radically and fast. That would be the mother of all national security issues.” Population unrest would then create “massive droughts, turning farmland into dust bowls and forests to ashes.” Soon “there is little doubt that something drastic is happening ... as the planet’s carrying capacity shrinks, an ancient pattern reemerges: the eruption of desperate all-out wars over food, water, and energy supplies” with “warfare defining human life.”

Forget “Peak Oil.” The real economic force behind “Peak Oil” is “Peak Population.” Fail to defuse the population bomb and experts on sites like LifeAftertheOilCrash.com make clear the inevitable consequences of our denial, silence and inaction: “Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult … it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely respected geologists, physicists, bankers and investors in the world.”

We are at the tipping point: Failing to defuse the population bomb guarantees global economic collapse.
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"We may be witnessing the end of the era of the U.S. military interventions around the globe.
Hard to believe with US just having invaded Libya to seize that country's oil, gold & other investments.

If anything, i expect more invasions for plunder to take place as the economy in the west slides down wards and those govts get more desperate to plug their revenue deficit with a quick fix.

I would not be surprised if places like kuwait, UAE, Singapore or some such place with a reasonable amount of wealth got a 'civilian protection' invasion in the next 10 to 15 years. Especially UAE given the amount of money they have. Its another Libya waiting to happen.
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ramana wrote:There is an op-ed on how Germany has risen from the financial crisis and is the king of Europe now and massa wants them to hand over more money and shut-up.

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As wars are getting untenable for advanced economies (support, costs, troop reserves etc.) they are slowly realizing that they have to bring non-combat warfare to new areas to impose their dominance.

Germany has shown that econmically they rule the roost now in Europe after 2008 meltdown by sticking to basics and not voodoo economics.


LINK

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

JUNE 27, 2011
Is Germany Turning Into the Strong, Silent Type?
Its economic strength has foreign officials prodding Germany to take on greater international burdens. But the country's leaders are reluctant to accept that role.

By MARCUS WALKER

Germany is sitting on top of the world. But the rest of the world thinks it's getting too comfortable up there.

The country has come roaring out of the global financial crisis, boasting one of the strongest economies in the West and seemingly poised for years of rising exports ahead.

What's more, the better it does, the more the world expects it to do. Europe and the U.S. want Germany to take charge on cleaning up Europe's debt crisis and do more for big causes—like supporting the Arab revolutions and the sputtering global economic recovery.
Germany's answer? Business as usual suits us fine
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Unlike many other Western countries, Germany has spent years living within its means and building up a deep trade surplus. Now it's reluctant to bail out nations that weren't as prudent. And it doesn't want to get involved in foreign entanglements like Libya.

All of which leads to a question with big implications for the global economy and political order: What is Germany's place in the world?


German leaders argue that they don't want to tinker with a winning formula, and they're already making significant contributions to the EU and NATO. But critics see it differently. They attack the country for wanting to be a big Switzerland: a trading nation that profits from the business opportunities of a globalized economy but shirks the dirty work of globalization, including international involvement in armed conflicts. :((

Germany's traditional allies even fret that the country is losing interest in Europe and the West. After all, when you've carved out a lucrative niche selling precision machinery and luxury cars to fast-growing emerging economies such as China, who needs stodgy old Europe? :((

"Germany is rising in a Europe that's coming apart at the seams," says John Kornblum, former U.S. ambassador to Berlin. "How is this country—the only major economy in Europe that can keep up with globalization—going to fit into this Europe?"

A Changing Dynamic

Both NATO and the EU were built around Germany, by allies that wanted to bind Europe's strongest country into a multilateral structure. Germany, rueful of its history, also felt more comfortable inside their embrace.

Today's Germany, more confident of its own strength and virtue, exudes the sense that it no longer needs either alliance quite as much as it used to. Only 24% of Germans see more upsides than downsides to EU membership, while 31% see more downsides and 40% say it's a mixed bag, according to a survey published in German newspaper Die Zeit in March.

Berlin is also insisting on harsh bailout terms for Greece and Ireland, reflecting a cool cost-benefit analysis and Chancellor Angela Merkel's fine antennae for the public mood. Long gone are the times when Germany abided by the European consensus and gladly opened its checkbook for the common cause.

Meanwhile, Germany recently shocked its NATO allies by refusing to back their military intervention in Libya. When the United Nations Security Council authorized the intervention in March, Germany abstained, along with China and Russia, instead of supporting the U.S., France and Britain.

Decisions like these have led critics to ask whether Germany is becoming an unpredictable country and an awkward partner. "This is an aging, sometimes crotchety society that wants to avoid risks and hang on to its money," says François Heisbourg, chairman of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. :((

Even President Barack Obama, who awarded Ms. Merkel the Presidential Medal of Freedom on June 7 while showering praise on her, tactfully suggested Germany could be doing more to help out with international conflicts. :mrgreen:

A Job Well Done

Amid the widespread foreign criticism, German politicians argue that Germany remains a reliable Western ally, as shown by its 5,000 troops in Afghanistan. They insist that Germany remains committed to European unity—but that indebted euro-zone countries need tough love, not blank checks from Berlin.

"The European Union and the euro are Germany's heartfelt mission," Ms. Merkel said in a speech during a tour of Asia in early June.

The pressure on Germany to do more is an indirect compliment for a country with a revitalized economy. As recently as 2005, Germany was being widely written off as yesterday's business model. Growth lagged behind the rest of the euro zone, the unemployment rate reached 12%, and public finances were a mess thanks to an overstretched welfare state.

Economists in the U.S. and U.K. said Germany was clinging to an outdated manufacturing base that couldn't possibly compete with lower-cost industries in China and Eastern Europe. The consensus view from outside the country was that Germany should deregulate its economy and seek more growth from financial services and consumer spending. :rotfl:

Under then-chancellor Gerhard Schröder, Germany did in fact rein in the welfare state, cut income taxes and partially deregulate the labor market. The unpopular reforms proved politically fatal for Mr. Schröder. But they revived the economy in combination with two other trends.

First, many German businesses made their own reforms, persuading their workers to forgo pay raises and adopt more flexible working practices. The changes made them more cost-efficient, while preserving their traditional strength: the quality of craftsmanship that allows manufacturers to charge extra for the words "made in Germany."

Second, global demand for German capital goods and cars began to surge as economic modernization gathered pace in Asia, Eastern Europe, Latin America and oil-producing countries.

The subsequent German revival stemmed from "good policy and good luck," says Barry Eichengreen, professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley: "The good policy being wage moderation and the good luck being China."

The global financial crisis brought Germany's export juggernaut to a halt in 2009, when German gross domestic product shrank by 4.7%, a postwar record. But Germany's conveyor belts had merely paused. As world trade bounced back, the German economy grew by 3.6% in 2010, and a roaring first quarter of 2011 means GDP has exceeded precrisis levels.

'It Isn't a Miracle'

Problems still loom for the German economy, including the risk of a soft patch ahead for global growth and a shortage of skilled workers in the country that employers fear will worsen as Germany's population ages and shrinks.

But, for now, growth is expected to continue, and unemployment, at 6.1% and falling, is lower than before the financial crisis. That almost unique feat among Western countries is drawing admiration and curiosity from officials and economists, especially in the U.S., where joblessness remains stubbornly high.

"We got through the crisis better than almost any other country," says Michael Glos, former German economy minister and a conservative lawmaker in Ms. Merkel's ruling coalition. "It isn't a miracle, it's because we stuck to manufacturing whereas other countries deindustrialized," he says.

The strong economy has boosted Germans' confidence in their own brand of capitalism. Its main elements: solid public finances, a balance between business flexibility and a strong social safety net, and a belief that well-made goods, not financial wizardry, are the foundation of prosperity.

Ms. Merkel touts this formula, which Germans call the "social market economy," as an example that holds lessons both for the finance-heavy U.S. and U.K. and for overregulated, sclerotic members of the euro zone such as Greece and Portugal.

Foreign critics, though, want Germany to tinker with that formula. The nation's strong exports and weak consumption generate trade surpluses that are second only to China's in size. Since the financial crisis, Germany has come under pressure to raise its domestic demand through tax cuts or wage hikes, to give a helping hand to exporters in the rest of Europe and the U.S.

Few in Germany are listening. Ms. Merkel argues that German consumers will open their purses of their own accord, if they are confident that the state's finances are sound. It's a controversial idea among economists, but it plays well politically with German voters, who tend to be culturally averse to debt, whether their own or the government's.

That's why the debt crisis around the euro zone's periphery, which has forced Germany to help bail out Greece, Ireland and Portugal, is causing so much anger. Many German voters, smarting from years of wage restraint and entitlement trimming, feel they're paying to prop up other euro nations that haven't made the same reform effort.

German politicians, playing to their home gallery, sometimes offend other euro nations—as when Ms. Merkel suggested recently that Southern Europeans waste too much time on vacation.

"Germany thinks it is entirely virtuous," says Mr. Heisbourg of the International Institute for Strategic Studies. As a result, he says, it can't see that the euro-zone bailouts, which are imposing drastic austerity on Greek and Portuguese citizens, are also rescues of German banks that lent too much money around Europe.

'Madame Non'

Ms. Merkel herself has become a flashpoint for critics. They accuse her of lacking the vision of former Chancellor Helmut Kohl, who saw European integration as a historic duty and a guarantor of peace in Europe.

But such lofty Euro-rhetoric is no longer effective, "because peace in Europe is no longer in question," says Volker Perthes, director of the German Institute for International and Security Affairs. "You need to explain to people, more than in the past, why burdens for German taxpayers are in their interests. This leads to a rhetoric of national interests that Kohl didn't use," Mr. Perthes says.

Last year, Ms. Merkel was criticized around Europe for holding up the euro zone's response to its debt crisis, earning the moniker "Madame Non" for her rejection of pleas for help. This spring, Ms. Merkel tried to take charge and solve the crisis. She argued that only economic growth would lift euro nations out of their debts and proposed a package of structural reforms modeled on Germany's own recent overhaul. Among her ideas: All countries should raise their retirement ages and pass balanced-budget amendments.

The proposals, made after sparse consultation, came across as a Teutonic diktat, sparking a backlash even from Germany's usual EU friends such as Austria and the Netherlands.

In recent weeks, Berlin has caused further disquiet in Europe by pushing hard for a restructuring of Greece's bond debt. The plan would have cut the cost of saving Greece for German taxpayers. But the European Central Bank, backed by France, feared the measure would lead to a fresh financial panic in the euro's weaker members. Ms. Merkel backed down on June 17, agreeing to ask bondholders only for a "voluntary" contribution to the rescue of Greece.

"There are rising demands for Germany to show more leadership, but when Germany tries to do it, it gets criticized for being clumsy," says Mr. Perthes. "The U.S. is familiar with this leadership dilemma and has decades of experience in dealing with it. But for our political leaders, it's new," he says.

No Help in Libya

It isn't only the EU that's fretting about Germany's new unpredictability. NATO allies are worried by the revival of a pacifist stance under German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

German pacifism after World War II was long tolerated, even welcomed, in a Europe that had suffered from German militarism. But since the 1990s, Germany was supposed to become a "normal" country again, one that took part in multilateral interventions in war-torn places such as Kosovo and Afghanistan.

When the UN Security Council voted for military intervention in Libya, Germany abstained, breaking with its NATO allies. Germany even withdrew its ships from NATO naval patrols in the Mediterranean, since such patrols were now enforcing a UN-mandated arms embargo against Col. Moammar Gadhafi.

In a speech to Germany's parliament, Mr. Westerwelle denied the country was isolated, because it had voted the same way as "important countries and partners such as Brazil, India, Russia and China."

The implication was that in Germany's new foreign-policy doctrine, the BRICs—Germany's booming new export markets—are interchangeable with the West as Germany's partners, depending on the circumstances.

Many German lawmakers are uncomfortable with Mr. Westerwelle's policy, and Ms. Merkel has made efforts to repair relations within NATO. But opinion polls showed ordinary Germans want just as little to do with the Libya conflict as their foreign minister.

"Some Germans have become pacifistic and have forgotten about responsibility," says Mr. Glos, the conservative lawmaker. "Pacifism is cheap when others manage conflicts."

Plenty of other European countries are also inward-looking, says Ulrike Guerot, senior fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. "But we Germans have to learn that we matter more than others in Europe," she says.
—Brian Blackstone and Mary M. Lane contributed to this article.

Mr. Walker is a staff reporter of The Wall Street Journal in Berlin. He can be reached at marcus.walker@wsj.com.
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The external dimension of the German problem concerns the role of German power within the broader European system of balances and the inability of the major European powers to balance and contain the rising power of unified Germany. Germany, therefore, faces a return to the Bismarckian dilemma, if it faces both a more fluid transatlantic and European milieu. It has turned to France and the Franco-German pillar as a means of avoiding the isolation, which has come with German power since 1871. But it remains uncertain whether this orientation will provide the foundation for stability in a larger and more fluid Europe.
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^^^
they are using the word "pacifism." this is a wrong understanding of the situation. unfortunately, some "conservative" politicians in Germany are falling for this propaganda. Germany is reevaluating its relationship with West. that is the fundamental thing about Germany right now. they are questioning their role in Anglo/American Order? they are wondering why exactly they're behaving like poodles? and in an even deeper sense, Germany is playing the role that it has historically relished: a spoiler-sport for all the well laid out plans of top-down European imperialism (whether in the form of Christianity or later on the British Empire).

in the aftermath of Napoleon, Prussia re-strengthened itself and German nationalism began to emerge. at that stage, German "national consciousness" was confined to the traditional Germanic region. they looked to the Germanic sphere as Germans' natural land. as long as this was the case, it was ok. they continued to build and cement trade, economic, cultural, and political relationships with all the Germanic lands under various empires or princes. once the "German Empire" was formed, they faced a fundamental conundrum: the empire now consisted of significant Polish population. this is the unintentional consequence of Bismarck's brilliance. the underlying "emotion" behind German speaking peoples' resurgence was the common German culture which was a glue. Prussia was a special entity where, due to long history, Polish speakers were accepted. but even there, once German "emotion" became prevalent, the Empire faced a fundamental dilemma. now, as long as Bismarck, or someone like him was in power, who understood that no matter how powerful Germany was, it couldn't possibly win any confrontation where rest of Europe, Britain, and Russia were its enemies, things were fine. but once Bismarck was gone, who was there to uphold this simple truth??? nobody.

so, in short, the blunders of Kaiser and the resulting WWI was actually a consequence of Germany "loosing touch" with its "national consciousness" or "German emotion," and chasing wild dreams of a glorified Empire on the lines of Britain. as for modern Germans' dislike for Southern Europeans, the racial factor is undoubtedly an issue. but even more so, are the historic factors. Germans consider these areas as nothing but trouble. after all, it was a bunch of thugs and the general "indisciplined" communities of Balkans that lit the spark for WWI. Germany remembers this. and so, they are very cautious before getting entangled in any fights against "little guys." they know very well what "little guys" can do when they get crazy.
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Devesh, Even during Roman times the Geramic tribes played the spoiler for imperial ambitions. The fractured tribes eveolved into kingdoms and principalties. However fall of napoleon and growth of nation state led to the founding of Germany in 19th century. Their rapid industrialization and consequent wealth made them forget the lessons of history that a combination of European powers shouldn't be allowed to form agaisnt Germany.

Germany is and will always be a bridgeland between Russia and Western Europe.
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Sensational about turn in the Strauss-Kahn case,leading to suspicion that it was a set-up all along.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/domi ... -maid.html
Dominique Strauss-Kahn case 'on verge of collapse' amid doubts over maid
The case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former IMF chief accused of sexually attacking a hotel maid, could be on the verge of collapse, it was claimed on Thursday night.

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Serious doubts have been raised over the credibility of the maid who accused Dominique Strauss-Kahn of attempted rape Photo: AFP/GETTY By Jon Swaine, New York
01 Jul 2011

Prosecutors have serious concerns about the credibility of the 32-year-old maid who accused Mr Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her, according to several reports.

They believe she has lied about their encounter, has links to a drug dealer and received strange payments into her bank account, according to The New York Times.

The woman's account of why she received asylum in the US, and even her claim to own only one mobile phone, have also been called into serious doubt, the report said.

Citing unnamed law-enforcement sources, the newspaper reported that New York prosecutors had admitted to Mr Strauss-Kahn's lawyers that there were serious problems with their case.

CNN, citing an unnamed "official close to Mr Strauss-Kahn's defence team", also said there were "serious issues regarding the credibility" of the maid.

Mr Strauss-Kahn, 62, is due in court at 11.30 (16.30 BST) on Friday, where he is expected to have the strict conditions of his $1 million (£620,000) bail relaxed. He is under house arrest and armed guard, and must wear an electronic tag.

But the newspaper said that the flaws in the prosecution were so great that he could soon also have all eight criminal charges against him - including attempted rape and criminal sexual acts - dismissed.

The report could herald a sensational turn of events in a case that has been at the centre of international attention since Mr Strauss-Kahn was arrested on May 14.

It is bound to reignite claims among supporters of Mr Strauss-Kahn, formerly assumed to be a potential contender for the French presidency at the next general election, that he was set up – perhaps by people linked to his political enemies.

Prosecutors, previously bullish about the strength of the claims made by the Guinean maid, are now preparing to admit to Judge Michael Obus at New York supreme court that they “have problems with the case”, the newspaper said.

It said that the woman had a recorded phone call with “an incarcerated man” within a day of her encounter with Mr Strauss-Kahn, when she “discussed the possible benefits” of pursuing charges.

The man, said to have been arrested over possession of a huge amount of marijuana, was also among several people who made cash deposits into the maid's bank account, it said.

The deposits, which were said to total $100,000 (£62,000) were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania, according to the report.

It was further alleged that while the woman told investigators that part of her application for asylum in the US was that she had previously been raped, on further investigation it emerged this was not true.

She also told prosecutors that she had been subjected to genital mutilation, The New York Times said, but her account was different to what she had said previously in the asylum application.

Mr Strauss-Kahn was hauled off a flight at JFK airport on May 14 and charged with trying to rape the maid after emerging naked from a bathroom as she arrived to clean his suite at the Manhattan Sofitel.

It was alleged that when she resisted, he had locked her inside the room and forced her to give him oral sex. Both sides appeared to accept that scientific tests proved a sexual encounter had taken place.

Yet attorneys for Mr Strauss-Kahn, who has consistently denied all the charges, promptly indicated that they believed evidence “would not be consistent with a forcible encounter”.

They later said they had “substantial information” about the maid that would “seriously undermine the quality of this prosecution and also gravely undermine the credibility of the complainant in this case.”

After a court hearing last month, Kenneth Thompson, an attorney for the maid, angrily dismissed suggestions that she was part of a conspiracy against the French Socialist.

He promised that she would “get on that witness stand and tell the world what Dominique Strauss-Kahn did to her”. Mr Thompson could not be reached for comment last night.

Asked why his client was due in court, Benjamin Brafman, Mr Strauss-Kahn's attorney, earlier told The Daily Telegraph: “Bail application”. Asked to elaborate, he said: “No further comment tonight”.

A spokesman for Cyrus Vance, the Manhattan district attorney whose office oversees the prosecution, did not return a request for comment.
PS:If he gets off scot free,will there be demands from the outraged French that he be restored to his position on the IMF?
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devesh wrote: Germany is reevaluating its relationship with West. that is the fundamental thing about Germany right now. they are questioning their role in Anglo/American Order?
They are reevaluating its relationship with Anglo West. By voting with the BRIC they have set the long term global order.
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