Very clever of Poak, Who TF he called elder brother? Buddhaa hogga tera Baap !!sum wrote:How can such a Kufr country be a elder brother, hain?India should help us to come out of this deadlock rather than accusing us. We need the support of an elder brother.
That is a very big problem for India and Indians then, if Pakis want to fight to maintain credibility among the Awam. If we fight back , we are just giving them what they want and in the process potentially sacrificing our men in uniform, if we don't fight back and deny them the opportunity to fight then we come off looking like bunnies who are too afraid to defend our motherland, so what's the way forward then ??shiv wrote:I think Pakistan's status has become a bit more nuanced. The Kashmir caterwauls began as something that could be sold to the west - with Amreeka blowing huge farts across the world saying that they stood for "Freedom". Everyone was forced to believe that (America says so, so it's true) and the Pakis used that with alacrity and made Cashmeer a freedom struggle. But as history has shown Pakistan needs a fight with outsiders to maintain internal stability (like so many other regimes in the past). The Cashmere story worked for a while and now that it is fading - the Pakis are brining in "water issues" and "Afghanistan" as reasons to have a fight with India.Nihat wrote:
I disagree that Paki obsession with Kashmir has no impact on their state of affairs or economy, because they have found their "identity in Kashmir" and willingly mortgaged the whole nation and sold themselves to the highest bidder from time to time, according to Pakis Kashmir proves the viability of their own nation and existence of 2 nation theory (half rubbished by 1971). TSP will do anything and everything to get a victory in Kashmir as a loss or no movement will mean that the last excuse for the existence of this shambolic nation has fallen.
This is why I had mentioned that Paki's remaining glued to Kashmir and parroting it is good news for India as it means that they will continue to sell themselves everyday to achieve an nonviable goal which will and is leading them to decay everyday.
The Pakistani establishment needs a fight with India to survive. Look at those 14,000 trained Pakis ready to fight India. Their only raisin dieter was jihad against India. Why aren't they fighting India? Pakistan would try and infiltrate them if it could - but that option is becoming untenable and costly for various reasons. So they are forced to hold on to trained young men - probably ranging from 20 to 35 years old - feeding them and perhaps keeping them disarmed. It will be 20 years before the "fight goes out" of these men, but they have to be fed and kept in good cheer till then. if they get arms - they will become "autonomous". At best (For pakis) they will try and fight India on their own. But worse - they will fight the Paki army for not letting them fight India. And the Paki army cannot afford to allow those men to attack India because not only will they be killed - the Paki army too will face the music. The Paki army's wars are no longer supported by a US that is blowing "freedom" farts across the world. The US is now blowing "Let me save my own ass" farts.
Nihat ji,Nihat wrote:1.) Diplomatic / Political warfare - similar to post 26/11
2.) Economic warfare
3.) Water wars
4.) Military confrontation
5.) Our own proxy War
6.) No action at all
The key is to build a Pushtun Force in Afghanistan, which cooperates closely with India, is firmly in favor of an independent Pushtunistan, and have the connections to influence the Pushtun Taliban in FATA and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.Nihat wrote:If we fight back , we are just giving them what they want and in the process potentially sacrificing our men in uniform, if we don't fight back and deny them the opportunity to fight then we come off looking like bunnies who are too afraid to defend our motherland
BRF decade old ideas about how to Straighten up the Kutte ki Duum " slowly infilterating into right circle.sanjaykumar wrote:So it has come down to this. Reidel playing a thug. I am sure he has made an exhaustive study of Pakjabi culture.
Q How bad is Pakistan’s current condition and why are you going back?
A I think that the state is in great danger. My concern is Pakistan and I see at this moment nobody who can handle Pakistan so it’s nosediving down. GDP grew by 8.6% when I was head of state and now it’s 2.2%. The debt of the country has tripled in three years, or more than was accumulated in 60 years. The currency has [been devalued]. Foreign direct investment has collapsed, inflation is high, unemployment too.
Q What role has India played in hurting perception of Pakistan’s victimization?
A A great deal. India is better at public relations and bigger too. Indians are everywhere. Israel and India lobby together against Pakistan. [India supported Palestinian independence until 1992, but then recognized Israel.] I believe we need to review relations with Israel at some point, but the Palestinian problem has to be resolved. That situation is very unpopular in Pakistan.
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Q Should the military be in charge again to stabilize the country. Why don’t you lead another army takeover?
A I think military takeovers are no longer in fashion in the world, or in Pakistan, and the answer has to be found through democratic and political solutions. The only way to save Pakistan is to have unity between thought and action. If I can come back through an electoral mandate, I know the army and bureaucracy will follow me. There is no way the military will allow Pakistan to become a failed state
Amongst them, G M Syed was more vocal in his views and more specific in his ideas, which he put in writing before the people, the ultimate sovereign, and tried to implement them in conjunction with his like-minded colleagues. .While presenting, along with Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai and other friends, the political programme of Pakistan People’s Organisation in 1948, he said:The establishment, comprising the military and civil bureaucracy belonging to Punjab and Mohajirs (refugees from India) have held absolute power over the state apparatus, so much so that they did not allow the elected representatives of the Bengali and Baloch people any say in national affairs
“...In the modern world particularly, such a state (based on communalism) will instead of serving the cause of universal peace or human progress, tend only to accentuate division, disruption and the consequential conflict and misery.
“...Pakistan should be a completely independent state drawing its strength and inspiration from its own people and keeping itself scrupulously free from the encroaching influence of those imperialist powers whose interest it is to foment the present atmosphere of war-mongering and world domination.”
Addressing the world peace conference at Vienna in 1952, he said:
“...Many of people who are mustering strength in the name of religion believe that we should do away with Anglo-Roman judicial system and replace it with obsolete mediaeval jurisprudence. According to that the thief will have his hands amputated, the fornicator will be stoned to death and the people with different views on religion will be put to the sword.
“...In order to secure the leadership of the world and domination of Islam they will propagate the jihad and the Muslims will be converted into a jingoistic and chauvinistic society.
“...I would like to emphasise to delegates of this conference in general and from the UK and America in particular, that the efforts of the American and British governments who want to unite the Muslims on the basis of their so-called religious beliefs are fraught with dangerous possibilities.
The PA may do backseat driving through him. For them, it is the next best thing to a coup.Prem wrote:http://pn.com.pk/details_en.php?nid=19932Q Should the military be in charge again to stabilize the country. Why don’t you lead another army takeover?
A I think military takeovers are no longer in fashion in the world, or in Pakistan, and the answer has to be found through democratic and political solutions. The only way to save Pakistan is to have unity between thought and action. If I can come back through an electoral mandate, I know the army and bureaucracy will follow me. There is no way the military will allow Pakistan to become a failed state
Number two... naw... Srilanka would easily overtake Pakistan... given couple of years of relative calm (sans meddling by Pak) even Bangladesh and Nepal would surge ahead... they probably can be number two from the last...ahead of Maldivesnachiket wrote:But bakistan is already "number two". We on BRF have been saying that for ages. So there, at least one wish fulfilled.Kashi wrote:Pakistaniyat in full flow.
But we should be at least allowed to become number two in the region
Abdul Qadeer Khan has made available documents that he says support his claim that he personally transferred more than $3 million in payments by North Korea to senior officers in the Pakistani military, which he says subsequently approved his sharing of technical know-how and equipment with North Korean scientists.
Some Western intelligence officials and other experts have said that they think the letter is authentic and that it offers confirmation of a transaction they have long suspected but could never prove.
I think you missed the point - Pakistan is #2 (what comes out of Musharraf)Shrinivasan wrote:Number two... naw... Srilanka would easily overtake Pakistan... given couple of years of relative calm (sans meddling by Pak) even Bangladesh and Nepal would surge ahead... they probably can be number two from the last...ahead of Maldivesnachiket wrote:Pakistaniyat in full flow.
But we should be at least allowed to become number two in the region
But bakistan is already "number two". We on BRF have been saying that for ages. So there, at least one wish fulfilled.
Sum, please don't post things like this... our WKK media might quote you as a senior intelligence person and report this and Pakis's might quote that and scream in their forums...sum wrote:As far as i know, hegemonic eastern giant Hindu neighbor was the land of saffron terrorists like Bal Thackeray and Narendar Modi who have Indian Muslim fetus for food everyday ( after cutting them open from pregnant minorities and untouchables)...India should help us to come out of this deadlock rather than accusing us. We need the support of an elder brother.
How can such a Kufr country be a elder brother, hain?
exactly! cut into infinitesimally small pieces so that each piece are straight individually !Prem wrote: BRF decade old ideas about how to Straighten up the Kutte ki Duum " slowly infilterating into right circle.
Dont straighten the Poak Poonch, cut it into pieces .
Come to Karachi or Lahore, it’s no different from Delhi or Mumbai. The perception among Indians is that in Pakistan it’s all backwardness and orthodoxy clubbed with terror,” she says.
Good thinking. This has been the precise problem that India has had to grapple with and people people like me and others have been whining about for some time.Nihat wrote: That is a very big problem for India and Indians then, if Pakis want to fight to maintain credibility among the Awam. If we fight back , we are just giving them what they want and in the process potentially sacrificing our men in uniform, if we don't fight back and deny them the opportunity to fight then we come off looking like bunnies who are too afraid to defend our motherland, so what's the way forward then ??
Targetting RAPE and RAPElets in Amreeka and urope is the best option... remember what happened to the "Black September" group...it looks like we might get support for this from an very unlikely source... Mr Brandy need not do this, there are enough street gangs and drug cartels who would do a job for couple of thousand $$$s, think of all the illegal - undocumented RAPEs living in uncleland? in a city like detroit (favored detn for RAPElets) one will $h00t for a joint!!!Cosmo_R wrote:@Nihat ^^^ I have all along maintained that #5 aimed at the PA's soft underbelly—Clifton, Defense colonies, and other Colonel + level habitats including their 'loved ones' is the way to go. They have already done a Kaluchak on us. Payback time. Reidel is also coming around to this line of thinking PLUS targeting their kids abroad.
understoodneeraj wrote:I think you missed the point - Pakistan is #2 (what comes out of Musharraf)nachiket wrote:Pakistaniyat in full flow.
But we should be at least allowed to become number two in the region
But bakistan is already "number two". We on BRF have been saying that for ages. So there, at least one wish fulfilled.
Here's a facsimile of a letter purportedly written by a "Jon Byong Ho" (Dont laugh, he was a secretary of the Workers Party of Korea) to AQK. Interesting read....Posted on The Washington Post
The Turis and Bangash tribesmen are of the opinion that on the Thall-Parachinar Road, the only extortionists bigger than the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) are the officers of the army
Several attacks on the Turi and Bangash, including by Pakistan Army helicopter gunships last year killing several Pakistanis, have not dented the resolve of the locals to fight back against the jihadists
Projecting the Haqqani network and Hekmatyar’s operatives into Afghanistan from Tari Mangal, Mata Sangar, Makhrani, Wacha Darra and Spina Shaga and other bases on the border is a pivotal component of the Pakistani strategy to keep the US bogged down in Afghanistan
the army’s gunships swooped down on them to protect its jihadist partners
To disarm and thus defang the tribesmen, who have held their own against the disproportionately stronger and state-sponsored enemy for almost half a decade, is essentially pronouncing their death sentence
Hope western media takes note...should be faxed / emailed to every one of them..Pakistan’s security establishment can perpetuate on the US and the world a fraud like the hashtag de-radicalisation on Twitter and buzzwords like de-programming suicide bombers
Rajeshji....RajeshA wrote: <snip>
There were three other options, I personally found had some merit.
[*] Land for Terror
[*] Supari Plantation in Afghanistan
[*] Compensation for Terror Victims[/list]
But, the revelation that Amritsar police was unable to get a sniper to shoot the tires of the damn plane is appalling to say the least!
"A new chapter has opened in our relations with Pakistan where I had gone recently {and the whole world knows how it ended} and the latest was the foreign secretary-level meeting in Islamabad. Let us admit that there is a trust deficit between the two countries and the gap was becoming bigger and bigger between India and Pakistan. However, both are working to narrow the gap," Krishna, who is on a three day visit to Dhaka, said while addressing top Bangladeshi editors.
MIRANSHAH: Pakistani troops backed by attack helicopters clashed with Taliban fighters in the main town of North Waziristan’s tribal district on Wednesday, witnesses and officials said. The rare clashes in Miranshah came after a bomb killed three Pakistani soldiers and although military officials confirmed troops were in action, there was no sign it was the start of a major operation demanded by Washington. North Waziristan, the most infamous of Pakistan’s seven tribal districts on the Afghan border, is a stronghold of the al Qaeda-linked Haqqani network, but Pakistan has resisted US pressure to launch a sweeping offensive in the area. Instead witnesses said Wednesday’s clashes broke out after Pakistani troops started to blow up a private hospital used by the Taliban and other militants, one day after a nearby bomb attack killed three troops and wounded another 15. During the five-hour standoff, one local resident said he saw two Pakistani gunship helicopters shelling a government school where militants were holed up. Another witness said militants fired on a helicopter from a rooftop in the main market, where traders were trapped by the fighting. Locals feared civilian casualties. afp
Just when you think MEA is done with its quota of glib statements vis-a-vi Pacquis; it pulls out another one out of its musharraf.Ahead of the Pakistan foreign minister's visit to New Delhi External Affairs Minister S M Krishna on Wednesday said a "new chapter" has opened in India-Pakistan ties and both sides are working to narrow the trust deficit between them.
"A new chapter has opened in our relations with Pakistan where I had gone recently and the latest was the foreign secretary-level meeting in Islamabad [ Images ]. Let us admit that there is a trust deficit between the two countries and the gap was becoming bigger and bigger between India [ Images ] and Pakistan. However, both are working to narrow the gap," Krishna, who is on a three day visit to Dhaka, said while addressing top Bangladeshi editors.
"All this is culminating in the Pakistan foreign minister's visit to Delhi on July 26-27," he said, adding, "These are all positive signs with a beneficial impact on the bilateral relationship."
And to explode planes midair.Mangoes have long been used by local politicians to woo voters and by Pakistani leaders to smooth relations with their Indian counterparts.
I made a suggestion how, IMHO, a stable arrangement of Northern Afghanistan, Pushtunistan and Baluchistan could look like.shiv wrote:Basically the world has "given up" on Somalia and as long as it is no skin off their balls the world will "give up" on Pakistan. Maybe that would be a good thing - especially of the US "gave up".
But in the case of Somalia I think the problem could be reduced by international recognition of Somaliland as a separate country with the UN seat that goes with it. Pakistan too should be dealt with similarly. Reduce the size of the problem by recognizing first a Pashtunistan and help that nation survive. Let the economically prosperous Islamist factions of Pakjab and Sindh be a separate country that is not allowed to exert hegemony over weaker people. Not an easy solution to implement given that Pashtunistan will be land locked - but why not get Baluchistan into the picture?
Pakistan needs to be split. The simple act of recognizing the aspirations of the Pasthun people on both sides of the Durand line would be a step forward.
Suppiah wrote:...it is in India's interest that TSP stays in this ICU stage for as long as possible and not actually collapse and push hordes of barbaric animals marinated in sewage of jehadi terrorism and fanatic barbarianism towards our borders..
anishns ji,anishns wrote:Rajeshji....
In your 3rd option, you forgot to add compensation for IC 814 hijack. Please watch the video and share the misery (for those who haven't already)
If we have our SMK, they have their Gilanis and Kiyanahis.Counter-terror strategy is home grown: Gilani
COAS: Army answerable to people
From that same link...rajanb wrote:http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=101551
Counter-terror strategy is home grown: Gilani
COAS: Army answerable to people
The conference was also addressed by Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. Governor Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Barrister Masood Kosar and federal and provincial ministers were present at the seminar besides several foreign speakers.
He said that despite many challenges Pakistan’s commitment towards elimination of democracy is total and unwavering.
