Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

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The public "demand" for data is interesting. If, tomorrow, Zawahri is killed by Pakistanis and his body handed to the US in exchange for several billion dollahs and 500 fully paid university seats for PakRAPE kids, the Paki army can claim that they knew nothing about the killing or his whereabouts because the US did not share the data. The "demand" could be a disclaimer for future perfidy and blackmail.

But if the US says the data has been shared - this tactic can backfire. If the US plays ball then al iz wel with the alliance.
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Washington’s empty gesture
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7cc9387a ... z1RrQZ7tGl

( BC dont mention terrorism now terrorising terrorist as per Koranic Concept of International Terroism )
However, American grandstanding will have little impact on Pakistan’s trajectory. The killing of Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil was a major humiliation for the country’s military. Army leaders and politicians are under huge pressure to justify the alliance with the US. In today’s inflamed climate, anything that looks like a concession to the US is politically all but impossible.Moreover, the Pakistani elite will expect any suspension to be shortlived. Since American aid began flowing into Pakistan in the 1950s, the US has curtailed it at least six times, only to restart it later. The stakes are too high for the US to cause a serious rift now. America has no strategic interest in cold-shouldering a fragile nuclear state battling determined Islamist insurgents. And Pakistan will have a crucial role to play in securing a stable Afghanistan when foreign forces leave in 2014. With this deadline looming, it is essential that the US adopts a comprehensive approach to Pakistani security. That means acknowledging Pakistan’s concerns about Indian activities in Afghanistan; and a push to find a resolution to the festering conflict in Kashmir that keeps India and Pakistan at each other’s throats.
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abrahavt wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... o-pakistan
Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data
This is called pust dar pust saanp ke bacchon ko doodh pilaana. And the chickens are now coming home to roost, pardon my mixing of metaphors.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9534.story
U.S. decision to withhold military aid to Pakistan could backfire
Experts say the decision to hold back $800 million won't necessarily force Pakistan to clamp down on militancy. The move could instead reinforce a growing sentiment within Pakistan that the country needs to reduce its dependence on the United States.
By Alex Rodriguez, Los Angeles Times
July 12, 2011
Reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan—
"Washington's decision to hold back $800 million in military aid to Pakistan probably won't prod Islamabad into clamping down on militancy, and instead could imperil a fragile alliance at a time when the United States needs Pakistan's cooperation in securing a peaceful end to the war in Afghanistan, experts said Monday.
The decision to suspend the funding, more than a third of the $2 billion in yearly aid to Pakistan's military, comes amid growing frustration in Washington over Islamabad's refusal to pursue Afghan Taliban militants who launch attacks on U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan from strongholds in Pakistan......"
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abrahavt wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... o-pakistan
Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data

The data can be downloaded in worksheet
Get the population data from 1957 and figure the per capita aid given to this country
It is amazing and no wonder Indians were trying to figure out how nothing was moving for them

Why does it take more than 60 years for this data to be avilable in open source
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This poor young Pak phoren ministeraan did not mean any of this. But no matter: wajib-ullu-cutlet here she comes...

Pak agrees to grant India MFN status: Fehmida

Pak to give India MFN status, calls for south Asian Parliament
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South Asian Parliament
:rotfl: :rotfl:
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:rotfl:
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Acharya wrote:Pak - US owes more than $8B to Pakistan for past dues

This is getting bigger.
Pakistanis love to bloat the amount of money US "owes" Pakistan for the "Global War on Terror". They exaggerate about the costs, they exaggerate about the services rendered, they are sending London shopping bills of the wives of crore commanders to the US. If their wives get a hair peeling on their backs, Pentagon has to pay the bill!

USA accepts some of the charges Pakistan bills to them, and rejects some of the bills. Pakistan on the other hand, considers everything they have billed to USA as their right, and keep on the sums of rejected bills as money US owes to Pakistan, even though it has already been rejected.

So regardless of whatever steps US takes, either paying the Pakistanis or withholding what they have promised to Pakistanis, that sum of charged and rejected bills would remain as money USA "owes" Pakistan.

That saves the Pakistanis a lot of H&D. Whenever they take money from USA, it is not because they are beggars, but rather because they are entitled to it, because USA owes it to them.

If Americans befriend blood-suckers, that is what they will eventually get - beggars with H&D issues.
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US aid cut: Pakistan threatens to pull back troops from Afghan border
Pakistan on Tuesday threatened to pull back its troops from the border with Afghanistan, as defence minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar said his country could not afford :(( :(( to keep forces deployed there following the suspension of US military assistance.
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Now we should issue a statement saying India is considering plans to reduce troops in the border. Then have some chai and biscuit. Just put some mirchi in TSP mush. :mrgreen:
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Dilbu wrote:Now we should issue a statement saying India is considering plans to reduce troops in the border. Then have some chai and biscuit. Just put some mirchi in TSP mush. :mrgreen:
:rotfl: :twisted:

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aap bade vaise ho ji! :wink:
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 196098.cms
"This time round, we hope the Americans will work with the Pakistanis and share their intelligence," he said.
:(( Our Paki birathers don't have intelligence?
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rajanb wrote:
"This time round, we hope the Americans will work with the Pakistanis and share their intelligence," he said.

:(( Our Paki birathers don't have intelligence?
Pak country is controlled by 3000+ see eye aye officers
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Acharya wrote:
abrahavt wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-develo ... o-pakistan
Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data

The data can be downloaded in worksheet
Get the population data from 1957 and figure the per capita aid given to this country
It is amazing and no wonder Indians were trying to figure out how nothing was moving for them

Why does it take more than 60 years for this data to be avilable in open source
If you compare similar per capita figures for Israel, a lot of other things too will fall into place, saar! :)

And yet the pakis are going to hell in a hand basket onlee. 8)
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http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/12/pariahs- ... world.html
Whilst we will leave Saleem Shahzad’s brutal murder aside for a bit, it is poetic justice, is it not, that the dagger that has plunged deep into the back of the Deep State was wielded by none other than its own one-time hero, the oft-crowned with gold crowns (I kid you not) father of Pakistan’s bum, Dr A.Q. Khan, aka Mohsin-i-Pakistan.
Toba toba. All these filthy words.

Nice article. have a read.
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shiv wrote:
. . .The "demand" could be a disclaimer for future perfidy and blackmail.
But if the US says the data has been shared - this tactic can backfire. If the US plays ball then al iz wel with the alliance.
For TSP, H&D come first as we know well here. So, they would like to avoid another US raid in the dead of night. At the same time, they may not be sure about the extent of intel information that the US possesses about Ayman al Zawahiri. For its part, the US is *never* going to share any information with Pakistan on such high value targets. The PA knows the futility of getting Ayman's coordinates from the CIA but this 'demand' is more of a CYA if ever a situation develops later of an Abbottabad-like operation. If the PA finishes off Ayman, they will get more bad name from the unwashed Abduls of being lackeys of the Great Satan, even though the US may be prepared to bale out PA if they indeed did the job. The US intention is to put the PA in a spot so that it can handle the assignment itself or observe and measure its perfidy. The PA is therefore in a bind. Very interesting situation for everyone except for the PA and Ayman.
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It's official submission from a porki ," In the middle of nowhere, deaf, dumb and blind as the heirs of a great civilisation plunged into complete darkness. We are raped into silence by defenders of faith, murdered by religious zealots, and flogged in public by puritans. Whether there is a light at the end of the tunnel or a dead end of degeneration for our society as a whole, I cannot say, but should we preach hatred and not strive to come out of a dismal economic, social, political, religious and cultural situation, history is bound to repeat itself in a ruthless fashion."


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Large Contingent of Hindus Arrive from TSP
As many as 600 Hindus, including women and children, arrived in India via Attari land border on Monday. Custom's deputy commissioner RK Duggal said that the group arrived here on pilgrim visas. Sources at Attari said that these Hindus, largely from Sindh province of Pakistan, had expressed their desire to permanently settle in India and have come with a large quantity of luggage and household goods.

Many of the visitors had relatives in Indore, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan, said sources. Their leader Banwari Lal told security forces and customs staff at Attari that this was for the first time that such a large contingent of Hindus from Pakistan had arrived to permanently settle in India due to restive conditions in Pakistan. In the past, some Hindu families had been arriving India on board Samjhauta Express to settle here. Many of them have been living in Amritsar also, they added.
This is ethnic cleansing of minorities and must be widely publicized.
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Chinmayanand wrote:It's official submission from a porki ," In the middle of nowhere, deaf, dumb and blind as the heirs of a great civilisation plunged into complete darkness. We are raped into silence by defenders of faith, murdered by religious zealots, and flogged in public by puritans. Whether there is a light at the end of the tunnel or a dead end of degeneration for our society as a whole, I cannot say, but should we preach hatred and not strive to come out of a dismal economic, social, political, religious and cultural situation, history is bound to repeat itself in a ruthless fashion."


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What's striking is the impunity with which the Pakis are claiming Arab history as theirs. The whole idea of the Ummah makes it more convenient for the Pakis to steal others history. For whatever was good during the Pre-Islamic era in the geographical era they occupy today was a contribution of their ancestors and whatever bad was the contribution of the Indic civilization according to them. They have been in this "Na idhar ka, na udhar ka" situation since their god-forsaken country was created.
We not only had philosophers but philosopher-kings like Mamunibn Harun al-Rashid. I, for one, was intrigued that not only petrol but the idea of the first aerial flight, the glider, came from a Muslim, Abbas ibn Firnas, contrary to what I had heard most of my childhood. Yet that intrigue came with mixed feelings of pride and sorrow.
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SSridhar wrote:Large Contingent of Hindus Arrive from TSP
As many as 600 Hindus, including women and children, arrived in India via Attari land border on Monday.
This is ethnic cleansing of minorities and must be widely publicized.
And so it begins. In time this would become a big stream of refugees. These minorities should be settled down in Kashmir Valley.
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan's demographic dilemma
Consider this as a serious heads up (an advance warning of biblical proportions). This is a ticking time bomb. Some disturbing demographic trends that India (in particular) and the west should monitor and make arrangements for in their defence planning and strategy-making:
Pakistan is experiencing one of the more traumatic periods in its history.
Pakistan is experiencing rapid urbanization; while a third of the country's people have long been rurally based, at least 50 percent of the population is expected to live in cities by the 2020s.
Additionally, with a median age of 21, Pakistan's population is profoundly youthful. Two-thirds are less than 30 years old, and as a percentage of total population, only Yemen has more people under 24.
If Pakistanis are to enter the workforce, they will need to be properly educated -- yet a staggering 40 million out of Pakistan's 70 million 5-to-19-year-olds are not in school. Additionally, if Pakistanis are to be gainfully employed, the economy must be large enough to absorb them, no simple feat in a labor economy that at present creates only a million new jobs a year, yet could face 175 million potential workers by 2030 (current unemployment runs at about 15 percent, and underemployment is substantial as well). Unsurprisingly, Pakistan's Planning Commission deputy chairman estimated last year that in order to employ Pakistan's nearly 100-million-strong under-20 population, GDP growth will need to soar to 9 percent (it is currently mired at 2.4 percent).
The most likely and devastating consequence of Pakistan's demographic dilemma is natural resource scarcity. Pakistan is already desperately short on water and land.
Water availability has plummeted from about 5,000 cubic meters per capita in the 1950s to less than 1,500 today -- perilously close to the 1,000 cubic meters per capita level designated as water-scarce.
Meanwhile, according to one striking estimate, Pakistan loses nearly three acres of good agricultural land every 20 minutes. Given Pakistan's population density of roughly 230 people per square kilometer, such shortfalls put immense pressure on remaining supply.
Compounding these constraints is Pakistan's poor resource governance.
Unless Pakistan's natural resource governance takes a dramatic turn for the more judicious, resource scarcity could soon be more reality than threat.
According to the U.N. Population Division's newest mid-range estimates, Pakistan's population will rise to 275 million by 2050. However, this estimate optimistically assumes an eventual drop in Pakistan's total fertility rate (TFR), which now registers at about 3.6 children per woman.
Assuming TFR remains constant -- by no means an unlikely prospect, given that the country's contraceptive prevalence rate hovers at only 30 percent -- the projections soar to nearly 380 million people.
Meanwhile, as early as 2025, Pakistan's total water demand is expected to exceed availability by 100 billion cubic meters. This deficit represents five times the amount of water that can presently be stored in the reservoirs of the vast Indus River system. Put differently, in less than 15 years, Pakistan's chief water storage source could fall far short of satisfying demand for humanity's lifeblood.
Islamabad has signaled its intention to bring demographics to the policy front burner. It has (euphemistically) christened 2011 as "Population Year"(Thats when pakis work hard to increase their numbers)
Here's a doomsday scenario: Those Hindus who recently arrived in India as migrants are a first trickle. They will probably be absorbed. However, wait till the pakjabis and the mohajirs start arriving. With political pressures from Indian Punjab, UP and Bihar, these new economic migrants will demand to be reunited with their third generation kin. Then, with rapid urbanization and growth of the radical parties that will promise jobs and food to the unemployed youth in return for jihad, and their kin folk in India as the fifth columnists, that's when the $hit will really hit the fan.
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RajeshA wrote:And so it begins. In time this would become a big stream of refugees. These minorities should be settled down in Kashmir Valley.
Unlike the Han Chinese, I dont think that the Indian politicians have the ball$ to take such a gutsy decision. Besides, the migrants' kinfolks in Rajasthan and MP will demand that these migrants remain with them.
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RajeshA wrote:
And so it begins. In time this would become a big stream of refugees. These minorities should be settled down in Kashmir Valley.
And the separatist kashmiris should be kicked over to porkistan in exchange.
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anupmisra wrote:
RajeshA wrote:And so it begins. In time this would become a big stream of refugees. These minorities should be settled down in Kashmir Valley.
Unlike the Han Chinese, I dont think that the Indian politicians have the ball$ to take such a gutsy decision. Besides, the migrants' kinfolks in Rajasthan and MP will demand that these migrants remain with them.
The best part, many of thier children will behave like Amrtya Sen and Kushwant Singh on how Good the Pakjabis were and all the ills of this world are due to Hindu Fascists.
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And, the Chinese birathers have pushed up the ante and stepped up to the plate with this:China pledges support for Pakistan. To match the loss of $800 M in military aid, China has pledged the same amount in economic aid. Where's the disconnect?
China pledged its support for close ally Pakistan on Tuesday, after the United States announced it would suspend $800 million worth of security aid to Islamabad.
The stability and development of Pakistan is closely connected with the peace and stability of South Asia (If this is not a veiled threat, then what is?)
China, however, is one of Pakistan’s closest allies — a situation that India has also expressed concern about.
With apologies to Jai and Veeru:

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Financial Times editorial -
Washington’s empty gesture

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7cc9387a-abf1 ... z1RtQWU582

Moreover, the Pakistani elite will expect any suspension to be shortlived. Since American aid began flowing into Pakistan in the 1950s, the US has curtailed it at least six times, only to restart it later. The stakes are too high for the US to cause a serious rift now. America has no strategic interest in cold-shouldering a fragile nuclear state battling determined Islamist insurgents. And Pakistan will have a crucial role to play in securing a stable Afghanistan when foreign forces leave in 2014.

With this deadline looming, it is essential that the US adopts a comprehensive approach to Pakistani security. That means acknowledging Pakistan’s concerns about Indian activities in Afghanistan; and a push to find a resolution to the festering conflict in Kashmir that keeps India and Pakistan at each other’s throats.

Just as importantly, it means a greater focus on economic assistance. The Obama administration has taken steps in this direction, tripling non-military aid. But given the scale of Pakistan’s economic problems, a far larger programme is needed. That may be a hard sell at a time of budget cuts at home. Explaining a failing Pakistan would be harder still.
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SSridhar garu, if in case pakis find themselves between fire and a frying pan, there is high chance that AAZ could be halal-ed in secrecy by pork-fauj. Now that the pakis have learned they cannot extract more $$ by simultaneously playing hare and hound with unkil, what advantage does AAZ now have to offer if he cant be used to extract more money? Is AAZ fit for any role in their quest for SD?

The TSPA jarnails can go to any extent to save their musharrafs and no amount of their pious Islamic conscience can prevent them from doing so.

PA cant publicly halal him, nor it would allow him to be found in its territory, unkils invisibility is well established and he would be located some day or the other. I think TSPA will look for an easy way out.
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Is aid squabble just the latest blowup in bad U.S.-Pakistan marriage?
There was a marriage? Is that what the "special relationship" is now being called?
"It's again directly tied to those decisions by the Pakistani military to curtail training and to not grant visas for some of the U.S. personnel we need to get in. So if those things change, the aid will change as well," he said.
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Narad wrote:there is high chance that AAZ could be halal-ed in secrecy by pork-fauj
Narad, TSP is very naked nowadays. 'Secrecy' is non-existent. That is indeed the dilemma, IMHO, of the PA/ISI. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Narad wrote:The TSPA jarnails can go to any extent to save their musharrafs and no amount of their pious Islamic conscience can prevent them from doing so.
Narad, we should remember that the PA is composed of just two types of soldiers/officers: those who want to use Islam to defeat India and those who see defeat of India is a first step towards Caliphate, i.e Ghazwa-e-Hind. The former type are thinking of Strategic Depth in Afghanistan while the latter type are trying to achieve RSD (Reverse Strategic Depth) in Pakistan. This is the conflict. While top Generals of the PA are in SD-mindset, I can bet my SDRE testimonials that significant sections of the latter are in RSD-mindset. Virtually all Islamist parties and terrorist outfits subscribe to this ideology. The SD officers are therefore afraid of doing anything that may end up in unpleasant repercussions for themselves. Besides, the Punjabi Taliban and the TTP are against these officers and pretending to be as religious as them suddenly is not going to win their support. The PA is therefore marked. This is why PA may be forced to send terrorists into India again, in order to divert attention, create some unity and borrow more time from AQAM.
Narad wrote:Is AAZ fit for any role in their quest for SD?
AAZ has no role to play in SD. The AQ always looked far beyond. OTOH, Haqqani, Hekmatyar, Gul Bahadur, Maulvi Nazeer Ahmed and such warlords have a role in SD.
Narad wrote:I think TSPA will look for an easy way out.
At this moment, I can't see any easy way out for the PA because the PA/ISI is under a very, very close watch. The 2014 completion date is meaningless if these characters would be around at that time.
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As the editorial from the FT rag in UK indicates, this vile, evil, poisonous thinking that the India card can still be played, meaning sell out of India to appease TSP, is still on the table. Need to watch out for this.
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And so Assphuck Kayani trots out his office chaprasi, a.k.a. the Paki defense minister, to make some barking noises.

"Fort Knox is OUR own money," declares this Paki defense minister.

Pakistan could "pull troops Afghan from border" if U.S. cuts aid
"If Americans refuse to give us money, then okay," he said. "I think the next step is that the government or the armed forces will be moving from the border areas. We cannot afford to keep military out in the mountains for such a long period."

Mukhtar later told Reuters Pakistan wanted the money spent on the maintenance of the army in the tribal areas. "This is what we are demanding," he said. "It is our own money."
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Good insight SS.

Just an out of the box thought.

a)The ISI could push AAZ across the border into the hands of the AQ located in Afghanistan.

Or

b) The flied lice could help slip AAZ overland (theirs) and into hiding elsewhere?

Getting AAZ off of their hands would be victory for their H&D. Prove to the US that w/o the Pakis the US can do zilch. And also regain their stature amongst the Caliphate scum.
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isnt it more likely that the paquis sell out AAZ?
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Lalmohan wrote:isnt it more likely that the paquis sell out AAZ?
I would love that. Then LMU would be busy making a lot of suicide jackets! :P

Unlikely, but if they do so it would be totally underhand. They would not be able to withstand the retribution of the purest if it was done publicly.
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CRamS wrote:As the editorial from the FT rag in UK indicates, this vile, evil, poisonous thinking that the India card can still be played, meaning sell out of India to appease TSP, is still on the table. Need to watch out for this.
CRS, you are right, provided the PA submits to US dictates. The US has no qualms in such matters. As the saying goes in my native tongue, 'Pick a coconut from a wayside shop without paying anything in order to offer to Lord Ganesh for favours'. India would be that wayside shop. This is a given and can never be lost sight of.
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anupmisra wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Pakistan's demographic dilemma
Consider this as a serious heads up (an advance warning of biblical proportions). This is a ticking time bomb. Some disturbing demographic trends that India (in particular) and the west should monitor and make arrangements for in their defence planning and strategy-making:
According to the U.N. Population Division's newest mid-range estimates, Pakistan's population will rise to 275 million by 2050. However, this estimate optimistically assumes an eventual drop in Pakistan's total fertility rate (TFR), which now registers at about 3.6 children per woman.
Assuming TFR remains constant -- by no means an unlikely prospect, given that the country's contraceptive prevalence rate hovers at only 30 percent -- the projections soar to nearly 380 million people.
Here's a doomsday scenario: Those Hindus who recently arrived in India as migrants are a first trickle. They will probably be absorbed. However, wait till the pakjabis and the mohajirs start arriving. With political pressures from Indian Punjab, UP and Bihar, these new economic migrants will demand to be reunited with their third generation kin. Then, with rapid urbanization and growth of the radical parties that will promise jobs and food to the unemployed youth in return for jihad, and their kin folk in India as the fifth columnists, that's when the $hit will really hit the fan.
So THAT is the problem defined!

I proposed two solutions:
  1. Pakeezah Acquisition Solution, and
  2. Dharmic Inkspot Solution.
Now these suggestions have been called everything from "fantastically fancy" to crazy, but I have yet to read about any alternatives. If the Problem is so big, why do we believe that we can solve it by some easy trick. The solution too would have to be just as "out-of-the-box", as the problem is big.

So we have three alternatives:
  1. Choose one of the alternatives I have suggested.
  2. Think of better alternatives and choose one of them.
  3. Ignore the problem.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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Lalmohan wrote:isnt it more likely that the paquis sell out AAZ?
Who is AAZ
  1. Ayman-al-Zawahiri, or
  2. Asif Ali Zardari
The whole time I thought you all were talking about Zardari! :lol:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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rajanb wrote:a)The ISI could push AAZ across the border into the hands of the AQ located in Afghanistan.
Or
b) The flied lice could help slip AAZ overland (theirs) and into hiding elsewhere?
In spite of the fact that 120 Special Ops trainers were expelled from Pakistan after Abbottabad, I am somehow convinced that TSP is still swarming with enough CIA men to monitor such double-cross. Just two weeks back, the US accused Pakistan of leaking info about IED-making factories to the terrorists allowing them to escape. The PA/ISI must therefore be unsure about making any move wrt AAZ, not sure if they will be caught once again. This will be far more serious than anything before. The credibility of TSP is so low today (never been high though) that even if AAZ escapes on his own without PA/ISI's help, the world will believe the US if it says it has proof that the PA helped him escape. Such is the nutcracker.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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RajeshA wrote:The whole time I thought you all were talking about Zardari! :lol:
:rotfl:
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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National bird kills 25

'Gas Cylinder Blast' Kills 15

Mortar from across the border kills 2

All on the first page of Dawn
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